mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know this inspires me ? one could formalise the problem with strings.
mircea_popescu: basically the appeal of civ was exactly this
mircea_popescu: and the shit got like 200 votes and comments and whatnot. which clearly shows the importance of social media voting.
mircea_popescu: "ono, someone said mean things to me ON THE INTERWEBS! PLS CARE"
moiety: looking at wiki, i think it just depends on the venue
mircea_popescu: the problem with that is the solvent isn't so kind on the sensitive skin of the thigs
benkay: which is why they wipe it down with solvent between performances, non?
mircea_popescu: which then gets kind-of disgusting
mircea_popescu: the problem with fixed poles is that girls want to lube it up
benkay: somewhere there's a cutoff.
mircea_popescu: benkay they actually have both versions.
moiety: the actual pole spins itself doesn't it, its not as difficult as it looks
mircea_popescu: attn all present jpm bankers. the girl won't leave till she's bled you dry!
cads: moiety: A one armed bandit is a slot machine, while the multi-armed bandit problem considers the best play in a situation with multiple slot machines with uncertain odds.
mircea_popescu: moiety it's a formulation of the explore/exploit dilemma
ThickAsThieves: Dancing Queen was the first cover song in my first punk band
cads: Hey guys, are you familiar with the multi-armed bandit problem?
mircea_popescu: which will likely get you sued and congress pass a law saying dollars have to be just as big as anything else on the tag!!1
mircea_popescu: the way to skirt this, for fun and profit, is obviously to open the 5th avenue shop with prices prominently displayed in bitcoin and a tiny print usd value underneath, like "We also take this shit if you absolutely must"
mircea_popescu: nor are you allowed to pull the "this is just as good as usd" liberty dollar scam.
mircea_popescu: diametric the other interepretation is, that as long as you price your goods in dollars you're fine, and as long as you accept someone';s offer of doobaloos for your items you're also fine,
mircea_popescu: gotta keep the double standards.
mircea_popescu: cads AND VIEWS! pls do not forget the views.
cads: hmm, so the service boasts half a billion users
mircea_popescu: if i recall the original actually had good new england grammar
mircea_popescu: i distinctly remember readinf the exchange in the mid 90s, thinking "look how retarded the mericans actually are, they believe this crap is respondent"
wao-ender: all we have, is the Hope.
mircea_popescu: moiety oyu know that "please allow me to analyse your situation" post is about as old as the internet ?
mircea_popescu: cads don't be bullied into it, but just consider that a) you really can't go through life like this and b) you definitely can't write the austrian thing for this reason.
mircea_popescu: absolutely nobody to date knew the reference.
mircea_popescu: i tend to ask people with gold coin collections (which obviously WILL include some) "but you don't think the earth is flat, too, do youi ?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do you know who was the biggest believer ?
ThickAsThieves: the earth is flat, it just appears spherical
mircea_popescu: i mean even the flat earth folks can EXPLAIN it to you if you ask.
cads: I do want to do a mathematical treatise of some austrian school economics
mircea_popescu: lmao the prostitution rests.
ThickAsThieves: they basically put photobooths in an app and called it a day
ThickAsThieves: the photo filters
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves in exactly the same way it's a good idea for businesses to ask for "affordable housing" instead of tax rebates.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves see ? all the forum signs of greatness.
ThickAsThieves: uh oh ""In terms of value creation, this is the biggest on record," re: WhatsApp
mircea_popescu: the20year2: In a life or death situation i'm sure they don't care too much << did this guy just argue with a bunch of people about using the rifle as a club ?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to their contemptible slimy thing.
mircea_popescu: i'll argue the shit out of you, if nothing else then so anon retards have a model of how it works.
ThickAsThieves: coke and whores for the whole team!
mircea_popescu: so then, here's your big thing : make a post introducing social justice as if it were set theory.
cads: I mean, these guys currently... fly a guy overseas to look at a part.
mircea_popescu: cads: I think they want to see what a $1000 3d printer can do << by paying 700 for an itam ? wouldn't it be easier to just add 300 and check the printer at home ?
mircea_popescu: generally the affiliate marketing guy is a combo of sleazy car salesman and otaku fatso.
mircea_popescu: but what do you know, they were all women.
mircea_popescu: about five years ago an affiliate manager came up with the brilliant idea of doing two email blasts instead of one, because the first "had some mistakes" that "were corrected"
mircea_popescu: o look, the "i didn't know i was on private" bs made it to here.
mircea_popescu: there's very little data, and the data that is unwarrantly overrepresents what they like (ie, their own eco chambers) and fails to represent or misrepresents what actually happened.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this "theme of the century" bs is greatly loved by libertards, because it pretty much works like global warming.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: on another note: "Pussy Riot members attacked with whips by Cossack militia in Sochi" << bwahaha
ThickAsThieves: or whichever category they claim
ThickAsThieves: Havelock, the investment bank
ThickAsThieves: assuming there's trust to be gained
ThickAsThieves: but no i agree that it's better to have the middleman
ThickAsThieves: the risk of Havelock affects all on Havelock always
ThickAsThieves: AM1 crashing on the news!
pankkake: scammers are cocky and get mad when you expose them
ThickAsThieves: cryptostocks is cranking them out lately
ThickAsThieves: and then make new existence
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'in the game of chess, you must never let the enemy see your pieces!' (from same.)
kakobrekla: Captain Zapp Brannigan: Don't blame yourself, Kif. We were doomed from the start. I guess all that remains now is for the captain to go down with the ship.
ThickAsThieves: worth more to them
kakobrekla: before they notice.
kakobrekla: the pot is dry
kakobrekla: to be bothered.
ThickAsThieves: there's certainly LESS money in it
kakobrekla: even shorter is answer: theres no more money innit
pankkake: I guess I was right saying Altcoin is the next AsicMiner
ThickAsThieves: i'll keep it positive though and note i'm focusing on other projects instead
ThickAsThieves: the reasons why are multiple, some fairly obvious, some not
dexX7: are they buying you out?
Chris_Sabian: why the change?
ThickAsThieves: All underlying assets that represent these passthrough shares will also be transferred to Havelock. The direct shares will be held at 1J5fvfUrDcZj8rrpVHMgn8u7sXee84QkPd.
ThickAsThieves: None of these funds are closing at this time. A new e-mail address for AM1 transfer requests will be provided at the end of this month.
ThickAsThieves: On March 1, 2014, TAT Investments will transfer control of the AM1, AM100, and [b]SMG [/b]listings at HavelockInvestments.com to the direct control of Havelock Investments.
pankkake: skype is the evil of evils. proprietary encrypted protocol, so you're forced to use their crappy software
diametric: I use it pretty much all the time. Most of the people I talk to have an otr capable client so it just automatically initiates a session
ThickAsThieves: then google talk
jurov: it's funny i have met people that were using some IM app I never heard of, cuz everyone they know is using it
diametric: see they were smart
Diablo-D3: fourth wall breaking gypsy arsonist murderer that is also the second companion to the doctor.
Diablo-D3: they're ponies
Diablo-D3: they're ALL worst pony
pankkake: I mined it, but it didn't make me rich despite the instamine feature
ThickAsThieves: rot, this aint the place
r3wt: Someone i knew once blew their brains out yesterday. One of those people you'd never think would blow their brains out
r3wt: i don't know i derailed the thread again. time for me to shut up now
r3wt: they do getcha hi
the20year2: kakobrekla: it was a update on bidding on 3 different properties that we're looking at/conisdering with the IPO cash
r3wt: just bitcoin with the scrypt algorithm, you never heard of it?
benkay: hey the20year2 what changes did you make?
kakobrekla: oh changed the contract !?
ThickAsThieves: jimmyk, seems to be putting the work in
ThickAsThieves: says he'll check out the WoT
ThickAsThieves: i invited the cryptocointalk.com guy to IRC but he says he's swamped with working on the forum
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if they only screw twins
ThickAsThieves: theyd have to be unique!
FabianB_: Bugpowder: oh and: "Subscription to the API for Winkdex will be available soon."
ThickAsThieves: i played the waves for a bit, but ended up with cash
Bugpowder: I need to pickup the license plate from CA DMV...
FabianB_: same problem as with the coindesk index
ThickAsThieves: did they announce already?
ThickAsThieves: The Industrial Strength Index
pankkake: by the way, I'd use other currencies converted to USD, too. otherwise, you're ignoring perfectly working exchanges
davout: the one i'm reading mentions dogecoin
ThickAsThieves: it's in the Bill Analysis tab
ThickAsThieves: i dont need to make a synopsis, they already did
ThickAsThieves: * As of February 7, 2014, Mt.Gox placed a "pause on all [BTC] withdrawal requests” in addition to a continued "back-log of [USD] withdrawals”. As a result, it is no longer a qualified exchange for the Winkdex calculation.
ThickAsThieves: Winkdex is calculated by blending the trading prices in U.S. dollars for the top three (by volume) qualified Bitcoin Exchanges*
Bugpowder: Time to update the MPOEbot settlement price index?
ThickAsThieves: then search for AB-129
the20year2: Which bill? The NY one?
ThickAsThieves: "Facing legal action, creators of COINY have ended the project and COINYE is now Lost in the World, but may have been nothing more than a Dark Fantasy."
ThickAsThieves: there's even a joke
ThickAsThieves: for some reason the Coinye story is in that pdf too
davout: diametric: the whole point is that no matter the way you put it, banning bitcoin and pretending to be a democracy are mutually exclusive
diametric: davout: alright I'll concede then it may not apply
asciilifeform: contemplating design of btc-related anything while assuming sympathetic (or even grudgingly-cooperative) bureaucrats is like designing tanks and assuming a cooperative enemy.
ThickAsThieves: for the rest
ThickAsThieves: check the Bill Analysis tab
ThickAsThieves: "This bill makes clarifying changes to current law to ensure that various forms of alternative currency such as digital currency, points, coupons, or other objects of monetary value do not violate the law when those methods are used for the purchase of goods and services or the
davout: saying that law enforcement will fuck you regardless of what the law says is orthogonal to the thing being debated
diametric: Whats the legal definition of a commodity anyway?
davout: diametric: it's relevant to the liberty reserve usd for example i'd say
diametric: What currency would meet the legal criteria of this legislation
diametric: davout: give me an example it is relevant to then
davout: as much as in theory than in practice
davout: the point is that this whole thing is irrelevant to bitcoin
CiPi: diametric; i think you loose the train man. :)
diametric: the second says how it can be used
davout: it can't follow that the second sentence prohibits bitcoin
davout: since the first sentence didn't outlaw bitcoin, the second sentence is just making exceptions
diametric: davout: but the second sentence outlaws anyone using bitcoin if its not tied to USD.
davout: but it has the properties of a commodity
asciilifeform: let them outlaw farting, as well.
diametric: davout: I'm missing how you think the first sentence doesn't ban using something as money other than USD.
diametric: No it does, the first sentence clearly states if you put into circulation as money anything but USD, you're in violation.
ThickAsThieves: note: they specifically edited it to say "person" instead of "corporation, flexible purpose corporation, association, or individual"
davout: diametric: it doesn't say it's the *only* allowed form of alt currency
diametric: "A person shall not issue or put in circulation, as money, anything but the lawful money of the United States." first sentence.
asciilifeform: the correct engineering philosophy here is to treat law the way satellite designers treat cosmic rays.
diametric: davout: If the alternative currency is based on the USD its okay. So you can buy/sell with bitcoin so long as the value you give to bitcoin is coupled to USD you're fine.
davout: diametric: which does't imply that alternative currency based on the usd is forbidden
davout: diametric: i read it as "issuing alternative currency based on the usd isn't forbidden"
ThickAsThieves: you could also read that as "it's legal until the fed says it isnt"
diametric: The second allows it so long as its coupled to USD
diametric: The very first line prohibits an entirely alternative currency from existing, period.
diametric: davout: the "value based on" part.
diametric: davout: "Nothing in this section shall prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency that is redeemable for lawful money of the United States or *that has value based on* the value of lawful money of the United States but a person shall not be required to accept alternative currency."
diametric: its something that realistically won't come into play until Bitcoin becomes large enough that very large communities (in the US) begin transacting solely in bitcoin
diametric: ie I want to sell you a $500 phone for BTC. I figure out how much BTC is worth about $500, thats fine. If I decide based on other factors then I wouldn't be.
diametric: you forgot the word not
davout: "shall prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency that is redeemable for lawful money"
diametric: But if I decouple the USD value from bitcoin, and begin using it based on my own interpretations (or the community at large) then I'd be in violation I guess.
ThickAsThieves: theyve been editing it i think
diametric: Theres also a subtle distinction. So long as goods and services sold for bitcoin, calculate their cost in bitcoin based on USD, all is fine.
dexX7: and that's from 2013? weren't there news recently that alt currencies are illegal and this shall change in the future?
ThickAsThieves: "A person shall not issue or put in circulation, as money, anything but the lawful money of the United States. Nothing in this section shall prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency that is redeemable for lawful money of the United States or that has value based on the value of lawful money of the United States but a person shall not be required to accept alternative
ThickAsThieves: to see details of the bill and votes
diametric: its how a ponzi needs to work. If the ponzi shuts down immediately after it opens, its not really a ponzi, its just an regular scam to steal your money.
KRS-One: isnt it safe to say they'd all be a loss
ThickAsThieves: might be an interesting study across all bitcoin securities, how much would have been made/lost if you bought into every bitcoin IPO and sold the day after it's first payout/dividend
benkay: like the lotto or anything with expected -ev outcomes
mike_c: i do like this new breed though that is upfront about the ponzi-ness.
benkay: mike_c: throwaway pun of the day ;)
Mats_cd03: the20year2: r u cute in a uniform
benkay: nanotube keeps backups in public, i knew where they were at one point. that memory block has been gc'd for more useful things tho
benkay: hey nanotube where do you stuff the wot backups again?
mike_c: yeah, sry. in the arguments the other day mp said the wot can be backed up by anyone (similar to mpex db). that is my basis for "yes". idk how, but it should not be fruitless to keep looking for how.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I've found bitbook.biz reliable, but who knows if they will continue to be reliable.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: is there a btc line-betting sportsbook that isn't a total scam?
asciilifeform: 'grandfather found a grenade in the field. over to the town hall he went. pulled the pin, threw in window. grandpa is old, he doesn't care.'
the20year2: People do that all over the world still :)
asciilifeform: people in the 'iron curtain' lands still often find 'grandfather's schmeisser' in the attic, etc.
the20year2: There are few if any modern arms that are vastly superior to those made during ww2. Sure things are lighter today, but that's it
the20year2: That's why I collect them. There's something fun about handing a 1895 issued rifle to a person and reminding them it's effective to 1,000 yards
the20year2: Buy one without a ton of permits in the US and it's jail time
the20year2: my favorite example is the colt potato digger
the20year2: And if you got surplus from ww1, means there's a good chance you have pre-1900 weapons too.
asciilifeform: just rubs in the point that nothing fundamentally new has happened in the field since those times.
the20year2: There are many, many firearms from WW2 and pre-ww2 eras still being used in most of the middle east, africa and asia
the20year2: In future wars there will be plenty of ww1 era firearms used
the20year2: ascii, to a point yes, but the bulk of it was given to USSR client states
the20year2: Much of the 8mm/mauser equipment ended up in Romania and Yugoslovia. The MG42 tooling ended up entirely almost in Yugoslovia, specifically the zavasta plant in Serbia. They still produce the MG42 and K98 on original german equipment
asciilifeform: there are russian factories still running various machine tools with nazi eagles stamped on them.
the20year2: The USSR broke up much of the fabrication equipment from Eastern Germany and sold or gave it to client states
asciilifeform: general rule for 'partizan,' historically, is to stick to the caliber of the prospective enemy.
the20year2: The leadup to the yugoslovian wars saw some sides doing quite well with armament programs.....the ones that lost didn't prepare
the20year2: Plenty of empires or smaller players have had time in the past to prepare for wars, ect. Many people in many nations have had time to prepare for civil wars
the20year2: Depends on the scenario
asciilifeform: my understanding is that people generally get whatever's lying around in the ruins of whichever great 20th c. empire they happen to live in.
the20year2: I'm sure it won't happen like that, but the gun within grabbing ditance, ready to go in my house is a colt AR15, not my AK
the20year2: Additionally, up until the Sino-vietnam conflict, the Chinese doctrine was to issue everyone with T53 bolt action rifles because they were 'more reliable' than the AK
the20year2: the AK and M16 are two different guns. One is for people who are educated and trained, the other is for everyone else
the20year2: Not against us , but they used the heck out of them against the CHinese and conitnue to use them today
asciilifeform: all of this being rather funny in light of the fact that the vietnamese wouldn't pick these up, even when brand new.
the20year2: Bending the gas tube would be pretty easy, and could potentially plug the barrel up in a way it wouldn't operate correctly in teh future
asciilifeform: if i recall that was part of the recipe.
the20year2: Would be much easier just to separate the BCG from the bolthead and just throw it as far as you can
asciilifeform: manual for m16 (downloadable!) actually had a chapter on how to destroy the piece, if capture is imminent - instructed to scatter parts, and bend the barrel by jumping on it...
the20year2: But at any rate, the military still issues bayonets to soldiers
the20year2: In a life or death situation i'm sure they don't care too much
asciilifeform: the20year2: proofed by firing. directionally even stress, from inside.
the20year2: It just isn't possible to bend the barrel of a modern firearm
the20year2: Those barrels are made out of steel proofed to 200,000PSI , you're not gonna bend them by clubbing someone
diametric: greenspan_fan: whether or not its CF
diametric: greenspan_fan: no benefit, any FDM style printer is still going to suffer from a weakness on the layers
asciilifeform: i recall the relevant u.s. manual explicitly forbidding clubbing with the business end.
the20year2: There are some really good materials coming out soon that have awesome tensile strength
diametric: greenspan_fan: theres CF infused PLA already
the20year2: And you're not supposed to club someone with the gun, you're supposed to stab with the pointy knife on the other end
cads: luckily the parts we have to print are pretty printable
cads: and the control software is really lame
cads: the thing is a piece of crap