Duffer1: there's no market for em, it's my hobby
Vexual: ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them?
Duffer1: they're models
decimation: it is my experience that there is always someone greater
mircea_popescu: and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot.
mircea_popescu: B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too.
decimation: so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat
decimation: in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave
mircea_popescu: you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope.
B007: but what if you want to keep the job
mircea_popescu: so then tell him.
B007: the boss is not always smarter
mircea_popescu: suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do.
mircea_popescu: well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence.
mircea_popescu: not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss.
mircea_popescu: i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high.
decimation: This is how the us has become ungovernable
mircea_popescu: it all proceeds from there.
mircea_popescu: this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful.
mircea_popescu: because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial.
mircea_popescu: now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt.
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this :
mircea_popescu: i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway
mircea_popescu: anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time.
decimation: heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog
decimation: okay that makes sense then
decimation: mircea, I liked your nigger story on trilema, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013?
Vexual: seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions
Vexual: dont ill have another hernia
decimation: busin' bums from the 'hood
decimation: Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck
mircea_popescu: how do you think obama clinched the elections ?
decimation: there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins
mircea_popescu: middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars.
mircea_popescu: i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything.
Bugpowder: Maybe I am seduced by the french language
Bugpowder: I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie.
Vexual: the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky
Vexual: i mgiht have the bits, u want aluminum or wood?
decimation: apparently in March 1991 IBM divested their hardware manufacturing to a company that became Lexmark
Vexual: even just the kb
decimation: Apparently the keyboards made after 1992 were made by Lexmark
decimation: cost like $1500 in the late 80's
decimation: they have some 1391401 models made in 1991
asciilifeform: did sell. last i checked they were sold out.
decimation: clickykeyboards.com sells them for ~$95
asciilifeform: alcohol for the electricals
asciilifeform: if you're willing to clean the thing yourself, you can go as low as $10.
kakobrekla: maybe theres still some laying around
asciilifeform: decimation: admittedly, it was ~20 yrs. old when i got to it, so i haven't any idea of what they were like when new.
kakobrekla: i also ditched about 5 of them
decimation: surely the springs on a 30 year old keyboard are starting to wear?
asciilifeform: mechanical quality isn't 100% there.
decimation: ascii have you tried those 'new' model m's from the guy who bought the factory from IBM in kentucky?
decimation: did eliminating the PS/2 ports really save anyone any money? I don't get it
decimation: I wish someone would explain why my hard drive, mouse, keyboard and printer all must use the same I/O bus
decimation: not the case
asciilifeform: (if you have a widget that wants hardware flow control, you're generally SOL with the converter)
decimation: one would think the drivers would be somewhat standard
asciilifeform: the converters work for most purposes
TomServo_: Vexual: Not easily from my experience. Although there are USB to RS-232 converters to be had.
asciilifeform: 'we put shit in the shit so you can eat shit while you eat shit' (tpm)
decimation: and then have that TPM inside a TPM
asciilifeform: or lpt, where there is no protocol to speak of, only a bunch of wires with controllable logic high/low.
asciilifeform: (the DIN plugs seen on pre-usb apple keyboards and mice)
asciilifeform: it's a refinement of their earlier 'adb'
asciilifeform: they introduced it
Vexual: i like how you can ruin shit pugging them in
asciilifeform: little bugger on the bottom-right of 1st shot is eprom
Vexual: they still us eit?
asciilifeform: then, EEPROM (electrically erasable)
asciilifeform: in late '80s, EPROM (erasable), programmed by removing and baking under uv light to erase, and writing in a gadget built for the purpose
asciilifeform: e.g. the mask ROMs found in most 1980s hardware
Vexual: is there such thing as a write once bios?
Vexual: titties on the boot screen, thats as advanced as i get
asciilifeform: Vexual: they're mighty big, if you ask me
Vexual: to the atc trader, it seems r3wt saved my pittance from satoshis locker, so I will be trading again on both exchanges
Vexual: theyre good at being bad
Vexual: if they get back, some will make some coin and be happy, like that fat french chep emerging from his kitchen 3 hours later with your roast duck
mike_c: gox back over 100! to the moon!
Vexual: @150 they may have executed self insurance
Namworld: This is great. We're not at like x10 the price of 1.5 year ago.
MisterE: gonna go so low and I;m a buy them all
MisterE: plus Japanese lie about everything for a long time before you get the real story
MisterE: I'm glad they failed like a cancer fallen off
MisterE: their shitty premium and verification process
Namworld: Should have put a 100 BTC short with x100 leverage as soon as bad news hit... if only there was a place to do that.
kakobrekla: dunno where these coins are comming from
ThickAsThieves: to the core!
kakobrekla: the what?
kakobrekla: look at the css
kakobrekla: also they added fucking dogecoin
kakobrekla: didnt they lauch like last week?
kakobrekla: kraken: Hi Everyone - we are working on a major re-design for the site (no, I don't know when it will come out).
Duffer1_: there*
Duffer1_: sure but with money trapped their already it's now a question of what people believe they'll have an easier time withdrawing from gox
kakobrekla: why did people believe <every scam in btcland> could be trusted with funds in the first place
nubbins`: why did people believe gox could be trusted with funds in the first place
Duffer1_: i mean, why do people believe getting fiat out of Gox will be easier than getting BTC out of gox (thus causing the price of BTC to increase)
Duffer1_: why isn't the opposite true?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
r3wt: i'm still a nub and not familiar with all the commands
pankkake: you can't, unless you see that key used elsewhere or signed by others
nubbins`: tbh, how do they even know if that's your gpg key or not
nubbins`: but they don't give a fuck if you do or not
pankkake: I signed the request with my gpg key for good measure, but…
pankkake: the unlocking does not require anything, just ask for it to be unlocked
nubbins`: shame, since there's no trustworthy CAD exchanges
nubbins`: they were patching up basic-level security holes are recently as last summer
ThickAsThieves: seems more likely this was because the software change made the situation easier this way
nubbins`: just one more odd move in a long string of them
ThickAsThieves: not like they have experienc erunning exchanges
ThickAsThieves: i suppose they would quite literally be amateurs, and we all know that already
nubbins`: oh, the overview page still says it's going through coinbr
ThickAsThieves: then i got mpex
ThickAsThieves: it was only a coinbr thing for the first week
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> i wonder are they going to keep the same setup for s.mg (run through a coinbr account) or if they have/will have a direct mpex account /// it already is
nubbins`: fools, they should just blanket +q on join
nubbins`: also, pretty hard to claim that 10btc bounty when the site won't load ;(
nubbins`: i wonder are they going to keep the same setup for s.mg (run through a coinbr account) or if they have/will have a direct mpex account
asciilifeform: '... Severing ties with the NSA started off with a NSA penalty but was so hugely popular it still got the #1 spot. However, it was quickly given an even bigger penalty, forcing it down the page.'
asciilifeform: '...Anything with "NSA" in the title is penalized and drops off quickly.'
ozbot: Ken Shirriff's blog: Hidden surprises in the Bitcoin blockchain and how they are stored: Nelson Mand
jurov: no i recall something about mp saying he can't do anything useful and safe with the bitcoins anyway
jurov: yeah, cuz there are millions of mpex accounts
kakobrekla: wasnt it ticking all the time?
jurov: there was no information in STAT how much
jurov: so it's usual there are none or two same auotes at once even if all is okay
jurov: and then sleps for random time too, perhaps
jurov: better would be really to show average uptime in the period
jurov: the times where it went up and down often don't give any useful info
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: just don't tell anyone what we talked about while OTR there.
Bugpowder: oh i followed the chain... comes back to 1LNW...
kakobrekla: anyway, its coming from the mouth of new cog pr named samuel
Bugpowder: found the output
ozbot: Ken Shirriff's blog: The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour
ozbot: Ken Shirriff's blog: The Bitcoin malleability attack graphed hour by hour
kakobrekla: >2.) The "missing div" period was a result of very bad luck. Right now we don't have any way to prove this, but its what happened.
kakobrekla: >1.) Unfortunately, we don't have a financial report yet. Putting one together is going to be a very time consuming process, and we don't have the time quite yet. Soon though.
Bugpowder: I am downloading the transaction history of that address
jborkl: so, it would seem there would have to be two different ways used or Mtgox was super duper special and got hit with a unique attack that was used on no one else
Namworld: Is that the MtGox green address?
jborkl: davout, the person scanned for all transactions that uses op_pushdata, from what I understand that should be very limited to a certain problem being fixed- normally about 40 a day- it was 19 I think on Feb 7th and did not rise until the 10th
Bugpowder: The balance is zero
davout: jborkl: it's not impossible that the massive "let's fuck with every single tx floating around" isn't the same attack mtgox is referring to
jborkl: now let me find the data that was posted
jborkl: for one of the affected transactions from before Feb 7, to see what was going on.
jborkl: One puzzle is that Mt.Gox announced their difficulties on Feb 7, and then explained Feb 10 that they were stopping withdrawals due to a malleability attack. Since the OP_PUSHDATA2 attack didn't start until Feb 9, this attack can't be responsible for the Feb 7 problems. One possibility is there was a different type of malleability attack that affected Mt.Gox. It would be interesting to get the hash
mike_c: ok, first off, let me make sure the down/up is accurate in january.
mircea_popescu: and consequently, values other than 1 and 0 ?
mircea_popescu: so then shouldn't i be seeing averaging ?
mike_c: the data has a 2 minute resolution. the graph is obv. somewhat less, but it is taken from that data.
ThickAsThieves: namworld you lost me, i'll i'm saying is i bet if the right people spend the right amount of time looking at orders placed and filled, you'd see gox tzking everyone for a ride
mike_c: no, not all the pikes are on tick marks
mircea_popescu: from that graph it either was down an entire day or up an entire day or some shit
mike_c: the graph has a 2 minute resolution
mircea_popescu: so then why 1/0 ?
mircea_popescu: also definitely was quoting on the 1st of feb
jborkl: Those are not BTC being traded anyway, they are Gox coins until they prove they have the reserve to back it
Namworld: How would one prove that's not the case?
mircea_popescu: mike_c so either 0 or 1 ?
ThickAsThieves: the index it uses
Namworld: How? Mark can just claim he had to do all these haltings because of issues.
mircea_popescu: mike_c why the pikes ?
Namworld: At a minimum, they manipulate price for a profit.
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Namworld: No problem stealing your own business under the eyes of authorities. Right in front of them.
Bugpowder: show us the data please!
jborkl: That is the proof in the report, it showed there were no malformed txn even reported on the day Gox said
mircea_popescu: he didn't have the bitcoinica funds to pay back.
mircea_popescu: and stealing the wallets is totally unreasonable, because he's going to jail.
jborkl: and I read the report about the txn problems, someone did a blockchain analysis of the Push_whatever attack- the attack started 2 days after Gox got hit
ThickAsThieves: i assume gox committed every crime possible in regards to exploiting their system
mircea_popescu: it's just the perfect smoke cover, because people suffer from some sort of very particular brain issue.
mircea_popescu: looky : tux made the "malleable tx"
Apocalyptic: Bugpowder seems like another sturles, mtgox diehard fan
mircea_popescu: they did not lose anything.
mircea_popescu: THEY STOLE IT.
Bugpowder: I think they lost 10k BTC tops
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder wait, you are actually buying the "malleable tx" bs ?!~
Bugpowder: but I guess the market thinks differently
Bugpowder: I just don't think its plausible for them to be that stupid
Apocalyptic: Bugpowder, common sense would indicate you exactly otherwise
ThickAsThieves: <Bugpowder> There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage ... source?
mircea_popescu: <Bugpowder> how they fuck could they get the cold wallets drained. It's not plausible << what exactly is not plausible about it ?
Bugpowder: There were that many malled txns prior to 2/10 to begin with. Certainly not enough to drain the cold storage
Bugpowder: The test where you are like... Hey my accounting says I need to pay out 100,000BTC from the wallet and oh hey we have been manually resending 100,000BTC in transactions... And oh hey people have been telling us for months that our specific implementation is vulnerable to a malleability attack... I wonder if something is funky
ThickAsThieves: next theyll probly say authorities are investigating the malleability exploiters, so many funds and accounts are frozen until resolution
Namworld: otherwise, x5
davout: Bugpowder: what do you mean the common sense test?
Namworld: Either way, right now having fiat on gox allows to buy 2x the BTC you'd get at other exchanges.
Bugpowder: Doesn't pass the common sense test
davout: Bugpowder: you get the cold wallets drained by having your accounting fucked with. plain and simple
Bugpowder: them being incompetent at rolling out a code fix and terrible at communication is.
Namworld: Even if they aren't. You can sell those 450 goxBTC for 180 BTC or 100k+
Namworld: While we can buy BTC for 20% of price at other exchanges.
Bugpowder: 0.5 BTC is the current bid
kakobrekla: so, anything good inthere?
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ygcil/as_requested_im_ben_lawsky_superintendent_of_the/cfkbz3z?context=3
kakobrekla: is there a difference?
kakobrekla: i dunno i just find the lappys funny on a protest
kakobrekla: they prolly are by now
Mallstromm: lol they seem 3 homeless
kakobrekla: defeats the mask wearing purpose
jayk: with mtgox, do they hold your coins?
jayk: with it being so low, once the exchanges resume, i wonder if people will cash out or just let it ride till it climbs back up
Mallstromm: probably modern Windoze and OSX are pumping all the data of somebody using Tor on that systems
Mallstromm: sure, using Tor singles you out. But if you use it correctly that's all they know - that you are using Tor.
Apocalyptic: "<m7a> actually, I think right now the entire mtgox issue is pretty relevant to bitcoin as a whole"
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone actually pulls disks anymore do they ?
davout: why is there no "hitler has coins on gox" video yet
asciilifeform: how long does it take to write a perlturd that tells a planted box which other units in a cage are pumping tor?
asciilifeform: the sheer naivete. do we have to draw a picture here?
mircea_popescu: see there.
mircea_popescu: what, to be just like the soviets ?
asciilifeform: if the puppetmasters were clever, they'd occasionally let something useful and intelligent be printed
asciilifeform: the creation of the most humble lamer is still an improvement over a professionally-designed honeypot.