BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing' << They don't want buying. See they only want to do the SELLING part.
BingoBoingo: They also have ads in the other Uruguay WTC tower lobbies advertise "Work in the best place to live"
BingoBoingo: International marketing, networking, and the usual bread and butter. There's an advertisement station in front of the closed zoo that they seem to favor.
BingoBoingo: There's even advertisements on the streets for events at "World Trade Center - Punta del Este"
BingoBoingo: Uruguay has a petite Miami light about 90 km east of Montevideo every summer. The police there even catch the street sleepers for redistribution to other parts of the country.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've yet to meet the orc who did not say 'mine is a poor country.' after all, so far from miami.
BingoBoingo: Oh, they'll flat out say Uruguay is a poor country
asciilifeform: cuz the answer is nearly always 'not only less slop, but butcher shop' and conversation stops there.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've found that it is normally impossible to explain any such thing to folx who operate in 'pig logic', i.e. 'would there be moar? or less?, slop in my trough?'
BingoBoingo: But hey, everything is great and peachy for them because Starbucks is getting joined by H&M on October 6th
BingoBoingo: I try explaining this to the locals when they reminisce about the 2005-2015 good old days
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, orcistani rulers are perfectly free to stop out-inflating the usd, and then can quit worrying re 'leaking hard currency' any time they want
BingoBoingo: A third delivery service Rappi (Argentine like Pedidos Ya) arrived aroudn the time Uber Eats did and seems to be holding last place in that niche
BingoBoingo: Which, well... by all apearances Uruguay leaks a substantial amount into Uber. Recently "Uber Eats" bicicletas have appeared in numbers that almost rival the Pedidos Ya bicicletas and motorcycles.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 18:17 mircea_popescu: what i meant by "mercantilism" is that they do not want the locals to leak dollars back into the ubers of the world.
asciilifeform: 'oh noez, bus could take moneybags to some OTHER street'
asciilifeform: '"I am not happy with the dominance of Chinese contractors. In the first place, the money that they get from these contracts is externalised and all that they return here are meagre wages," said Edgar Syakachoma, himself a contractor. "Let the government also give us the contracts so that they benefit Zambians."' << hey, recall mircea_popescu's piece with the argentine anti-bus protesters
asciilifeform: ( classical btc 'thermodynamics', predispose to cartel. but 'kinetics' of ~randomsoup (vs 'intelligent' routing) make this less apparent. )
a111: 6 results for "thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thermodynamics%20proposes%20kinetics%20disposes
asciilifeform: !#s thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes
asciilifeform: then again we may already be in the midst of just such a thing, there's, what, ~20k distinct nodes operating, and overwhelming majority of these, are simply rubbish
asciilifeform: and theoretically if the cartel births '9000' new sybils, it will force the use of something like my algo, whether anyone wants to or not, the layer of sibylade would become undrillable in its absence . but this is admittedly a stretch.
asciilifeform: the fundamental problem is that the conditions favouring miner cartels are already baked into btc per se.
asciilifeform: Mocky: the current algo optimizes for nuffin at all. but the puzzler is, if we were to optimize for ~something~, could it create a problem. esp if the algo worx as i predict, and the nodes using it, end up forming an optimally short link to the miners.
asciilifeform: Mocky: the boojum is that mining in classical btc worx in such a way as to amplify small advantages into gigantic
Mocky: asciilifeform, is there a way to quantify "for a time"? Because requiring a 'tour of duty' dun necessarily seem like a bad thing. Is showing up with faster hash rate and getting full advantage on day one something to optimize for? (or day N, which is why I wonder how to quantify)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 15:11 asciilifeform: diana_coman: traceroute --mtu destinationip will show the mtu of the 1st 'fraggable' node in the path
asciilifeform: and not merely because A,B,C reliably supply correct blox, but they also will have most reliable tx-eating. so they will get sent all new tx in preference to D.
asciilifeform: thereby any peer ranking algo that favours 'useful' peers, will give A,B,C a substantial advantage over any new D.
asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment : let's suppose that all new blox presently are born in nodes A, B, C. from there, propagate to rest of planet. the immediate peers of A, B, C, will have them parked at the very top of their peer table, right below the manually-added 'meat' peers. now say a D shows up. D may have faster hash rate even than A+B+C, but his blox will still be considered only ~after~ those of A,B,C. at least, for a time.
mod6: Yeah, this might be a proper step forward to de-sibyling the thing. And as long as we can still service randos, even if in second place.
asciilifeform: ( nao, ideally all of the sane people would actually know one another and wot, and link their nodes via ciphered pipes, all the way to miner. but i dun expect to live to see this. )
asciilifeform: sanely-behaving nodes (both trb and hypothetical trb-compatible heathens, which exist, or we'd see 0 blox) ought to be able to find ~and keep~ each other company
asciilifeform: arguably 1st step to properly de-sibyl-ing the network.
asciilifeform: imho a trb node ought to only advertise addrs that either a) part of the manual --addnode set the node was brought up with , or b) actually supplied a correct block in the recent past
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 21:49 asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
asciilifeform: this presently consists 90+% of boxen that get immediately (or rather, not quite immediately.. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853265 ) malleus'd
asciilifeform: mod6: right nao, our address-getting mechanism is the ancient turdalicious one inherited from shitoshi -- where the table is blindly filled with whatever connected folx decide to throw in
asciilifeform: mod6: my main hesitation re the item is that it may be 'plugging wrong end of funnel', quite possibly no such gymnastics would be necessary if we simply had a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853143 and always --addnode'd the actually useful nodes, rather than relying on pure chance
asciilifeform: diana_coman: traceroute --mtu destinationip will show the mtu of the 1st 'fraggable' node in the path
asciilifeform: in particular, 'Lost fragments represent a slightly more involved problem than lost packets. The receiver has a packet reassembly timer upon the receipt of the first fragment, and will continue to hold this reassembly state for the reassembly time. The reassembly timer is a factor in the maximal count of packets in flight, as the packet identifier cannot be recycled within the period defined by the sender-received path delay, plus th
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ijjM3 << even moar pedantic detail re fraggism. ( can safely skip the ipv6-related crapola )
asciilifeform: ( this braindamaged design decision goes, as one might expect, back to the olden days when homo redditus was not yet on the net and 'arpa' designed for nukefest-related problems, not against 'ddos' )
asciilifeform: the other item of interest, not mentioned, is that quite a few infrastructural routers will simply drop frags, for the reason that all but 1 frag of a fragged packet contain no copy of the source or destination port -- and thereby impossible to ddos-filter. so they drop'em.
asciilifeform: the 1 possibly noteworthy bit, is that fragging can take place anywhere in the route, while reassembly -- only at final receiver .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: https://archive.is/k6Wxb << udpism likbez ( may or may not contain anyffing new to you, but posting for the l0gz/n00bz )
ave1: asciilifeform, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853545, I had seen the path in the specs (gcc -dumspecs) so I knew I had to look in the gcc/config directory. Next was the i386 dir (used for everything intel > i386) next simple grep for "isystem" (I worried that the path would be constructed from parts and so would never be found).
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 13:37 asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. curious, didja grep the whole thing for hardwired paths ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still << I don't expect the locals did anything at all Saturday/Sunday. No phone calls have been recieved yet. We still have more waiting time before panic time.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: try the local variant. but i expect even across 1 router hop you will see similar picture.
diana_coman: anyway, the above examples show also current logs on both sides - if anyone has feedback on it/wants to see something else logged, talk now
asciilifeform: ( pleasant surprises are few and far between in the internet-of-shit )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. there's a tiny reassembly buffer, and if it is occupied while new frags fall in, it drops
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's consistent with what i know of the braindamaged frag reassembly mechanism on most iron
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1DmdC/?raw=true (IP edited out; you can easily match them by sizesent+timeSent
asciilifeform: the other simple experiment, re fragging, is to set up the receiver on local host, and then on same-lan box
diana_coman: yes, I'm trying to figure out mainly if I can at least make sure that it IS sent out of sender; then it can ofc get dropped anywhere on the route
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the other thing, entirely possible that yours got fragged and never unfragged, this'll be path-dependent ( as discussed in orig thread )
asciilifeform: according to the man pg, sento() block unless one were to set MSG_DONTWAIT ( and we didn't )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: unless i misread the docs -- yes
diana_coman: hm, you mean it's guaranteed that the package is sent and out of the buffer before you can call send again ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, but if one sends a burst of 4 packets , they can overflow that buffer and get dropped, don't they?
diana_coman: hm, a first tiny pilot test of the UDP send/receive looks quite dire (4 in 20 made it, when sent in batches of 4, random lengths); however, I don't know if it's not just overflowing the out buffer to start with (since default value in /proc/sys/net/core/wmem_default is 212992 so real would be half that iirc)
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. curious, didja grep the whole thing for hardwired paths ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 05:00 trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 04:19 Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
trinque: genesis will be the frozen-in-time found item, and from there I'll be looking forward to patches to add ave1 gcc (and later ave1-reproducible-build-gcc), other improvements.
trinque: what's left is to shave further weight out of the genesis (currently approx 12M, but this without purging unused versions of used ebuilds), and the accompanying post
trinque: quick update on cuntoo before I depart. the fully machine-driven transformation from snapshotted gentoo to cuntoo genesis.vpatch works, and successfully rebuilt itself whole. I've also got the classical gentoo repo acting as a subordinate repository, such that porting ebuilds will be extremely easy (i.e. gentoo repo is now an overlay, just like musl overlay, which can be used or not as decreed by operator,
asciilifeform: was dead end, tho, at least in the way originally written
asciilifeform: trinque: the crapola-gluetrap steadystate in trb is what i was trying to kill with 'wires' experiment
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 21:49 asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
asciilifeform: this is an open problem. but there are some pretty simple things that still need doin', e.g. pill for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853265
asciilifeform: they're just plain dross.
asciilifeform: btw ( and this is not mega-revelation... ) 99.999..+% of noad traffic, is worse than useless -- box is speaking with noads who do not either bring it luscious next valid blox, NOR carry yer tx'en closer to miner, NOR even serve up full chain and enforce trad rulez thereon
trinque: thing really needs a "everyone I know is retarded, forget them and move on"
trinque: ah, well, the fuckwittism spread, because I've cron'd killall -SIGQUIT bitcoind now
asciilifeform: and otherwise happy to sit for 100 yrs talking to same fuckewits
trinque: what I don't have a model for yet is the perma-stuck state
trinque: the behavior I've seen is that this particular box gets stuck, always immediately resumes receiving blocks when trb is restarted
asciilifeform: trinque: not long ago noticed a 400 blox gap on mine, where interestingly restarting did not fix, had to sit for the typical n days and finally meet noads who actually have new blox and dun get malleus'd
trinque: asciilifeform: hate to report that I just noticed my pizarro box (running aggression) was sitting there doing absolutely nothing for about 4k blox
Mocky: I'm looking at local conferences, local politics, tech and business groups / meetups. expect to chat up street market vendors on the regular if these are actually arabs and not indians
Mocky: mircea_popescu, so local sponsor must hold >50% controlling interest in any new business. local chamber of commerce apparently on the look out for profitable opportunities with foreigners. I'm not sure where else to look specifically aside from generally making a lot of friends and getting introductions.
mircea_popescu: get in a room with the respective people, put the matter plainly to them, shake pinkies and that's that.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 03:01 Mocky: ha, "However, the new decree stipulates that if a permanent resident leaves Qatar for more than six months, the interior minister could withdraw from the residency"
asciilifeform: i for one have my kernel, and dun expect to ever miss the Official 'new'
mircea_popescu: let the maggots learn the value of stolen stack is 0, and let the "independent", "anonymous" humanrightsetc imbeciles learn there is no life outside of the republic.
mircea_popescu: transforming it into a shitpyre wherein the delicious butttears of thousands of http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ manaloning engineers flow freely is the play.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:30 asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
mircea_popescu: they go so far as to say "do not vote for this guy, who is new, vote for the known-corrupt-asshole HE HAS SENIORITY"
mircea_popescu: and the principle is so very celebrated there, they even have it enshrined as the ~only basis of senate
asciilifeform: reminds of old-school 'grifters', the kind that marry 85yo heiress
mircea_popescu: but -- yes. the us never had a "leader" other than this sort of scum, slowly worming itself into position. not in the past century, which is to say -- not since it stopped mattering.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got 20 years to slowly do it.
mircea_popescu: heir projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct' << thjis is all the us ever is anymore.
mircea_popescu: exactly for the reason described, "did nothing to me" etc.
mircea_popescu: these people simply can not crush a cuntbug.
mircea_popescu: they just show up, you understand ? remember the item which set the moron bit on djb for me ? some "vance" moron ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i quoted the ur item here once, i think. was schmuck on "wikipedia admin board" going to "help out" unless "anyone asks him to stop".
mircea_popescu: aaanyway, whatever. the wages of sin are death.
asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the process whereby a theo 'marries' a bobbeck. what's the draw, exactly
mircea_popescu: and they are stubbornly stupid enough so that neither display of the correct behaviour (say in the celebrated http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/ ) nor the theoretical explanation of the methodology (at leastr in http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/ ) clicks with the shit in their heads
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect, in these, simple cowardice, they aimt eager to move out of the mental universe where 'law and order' and into the lafond planet where earthly carcass actually finds itself
BingoBoingo: Makes the 20 years look easier doesn't it
Mocky: BingoBoingo, yeah but even if you could find one of the ~30k marriage age females (among 3.7M pop), and convince her to endure the social downgrade and forgo citizenship for any children, MUST then convince bride's father & suiter then converts to islam!
mircea_popescu: kinda the problem of freebased i-cant-believe-hes-not-republican, or in asciilifeform 's parlance "partizans" : they have some complicated nonsense about "justifiable use of force" bla bla bla, can't simply bash in heads who "did nothing to you" etc.
mircea_popescu: somewhere someone (lafond maybe ?) explains the problem of "conservative" or "republican" or w/e, johnny cash style pantsuit fucktard, whereby he's "lawyering up" in his mind, and can't curbstomp nigger at first sign of potential disobedience. "oh, he just asked me the time FOR DIFFERENT REASONS ALTOGETHER, this isn't LEGITIMATE REASON to bas his skull in"
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:25 asciilifeform: ( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853434 << importantly, did not even do the item which was all that was needed "there are some muppets out there misusing my trademark, they're scammers and do not deal with them"
mircea_popescu: for the exact reason on display : even the most heady, hardy etc still get old and stupid eventually. and later is actually worse than early.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:14 asciilifeform: and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit.
mircea_popescu: somehow i expect the linux bonfire will not be included in the list of http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/
a111: Logged on 2018-09-24 02:11 asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853417 << then people want to talk about how "you can never trust bitcoin operators, always will split and run".
Mocky: ha, "However, the new decree stipulates that if a permanent resident leaves Qatar for more than six months, the interior minister could withdraw from the residency"
asciilifeform: 20y puts it in the weight category of jp, lichtenstein, swiss.
asciilifeform: 'those born abroad would need to have lived there 20 years' << bit of a downer
asciilifeform: 'Qatar is abolishing the exit visa required before expatriate workers are allowed to leave the country' << interesting
Mocky: but only if lived there for 20 years and among 100 'blessed' applicants per year
Mocky: in other news, Qatar becomes First Gulf State to Offer Expat Permanent Residency http://archive.is/8BXOX
asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew.
asciilifeform: btw upstack peanut gallery thread has coupla interesting nuggets : apparently vultures already circling, professional politruks already publishing their projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct'
asciilifeform: ( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY )
asciilifeform: linus in principle had the right to sue for immediate desist of use of his trademark. did not do it.
asciilifeform: there appeared out of the usg depths, this squid, 'linux foundation', sponsored at various times erry possible scamola, prb, later gavinisms, tor, etc
asciilifeform: Mocky: i'm not aware of any public discussion re subj to follow, outside of the l0gz
asciilifeform: back then was still possible to explain as act of stupidity, tho
Mocky: "NOT always-shit" != "willing to go to the chair still"
asciilifeform: then again, for all i know, d00d is already trooly and properly dead, and the surrender was penned for him. ( btw anybody located a signed copy ? and what's the most recent signed linus material anyway ? )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 16:17 asciilifeform: 'die not the straw death!'(tm)(r)(odin)
asciilifeform: Mocky: it isnt clear to me what sort of blackmail could compare with the surrender. say they put him in electric chair, for killing kennedy, what of it. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852995 .
asciilifeform: and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit.
Mocky: i noticed blackmail conspiracy theory at that link, maybe consorted with 17.99 yo
asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : either 0, see above, or >0, in which case microshit gets an even bigger crater than it originally paid for )
asciilifeform: so in principle afaik yes folx can demand to get their coad pulled from sjw.linux. nao, what practical result will be, no prizes for guessing.
asciilifeform: i expect either a) whole thing is made to silently evaporate , via the usual means b) gpl is formally unwound by usg 'courts', so rathead et al can carry along. i dun see a c) ...
Mocky: 'Several users on 4chan’s technology board speculate that Theo is targeted first because he famously resisted an Intel backdoor.'
asciilifeform: 'Contributors: You were promised something, you laboured for that promise, and now the promise has become a lie. You have remedies available to you now, as-well as in the close future .' etc
asciilifeform: tldr : d00d trying to organize some sort of peasant rebellion, to mop up what remains of the +ev contributors, under guise of 'protest'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 14:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.
asciilifeform: and, first auditioner, apparently, none other than old judas esr :
asciilifeform: linus formally surrendered, and nao there is, as i gather, auditions being held, for who will get to be his new bob beck politruk;
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 13:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: torvalds's thing reads like the zinoviev&kamenev 'confessions'
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:10 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 << such a fucking injun. how, just HOW does one get so fucking stupid. "jwz" amirite, "he only wanted to". this existence is too burdensome for the likes of special cunthead.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomo-lulz: readerz will recall, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835666 'prophecy' bore out into http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850785 самокритика-fest. nao, for next lul in series :
BingoBoingo: That's too be expected. At this point consider looking at what will be lucrative to bring, and try to find what simply isn't available there
Mocky: multiple trinitrons on the desk, multiple towers unstacked or stacked horizontally. sounds like asciilifeform has square footage to spare
Mocky: i guess you don't need to stack them
asciilifeform: there's one for towers also
asciilifeform: Mocky: these used to be sold in comp-related shops errywhere
asciilifeform: made the chore quite a bit lighter
asciilifeform: i actually had one of those strap belt things, for carrying the thing
Mocky: don't get me wrong, i loved mine back in the day
asciilifeform: not really equaled since ( tho supposedly the recent led panels just about reproduce the old crt phosphours -- but i cannot bring myself to buy, they suffer some 1980s-esque 'burn in' )
asciilifeform: Mocky: trinitron was (imho) the acme of display
asciilifeform: Mocky: hey, at least you dun have the pain of mircea_popescu , who left a whole trinitron behind in old world
Mocky: yeah, laptop in a laptop bag. has been my primary workstation for some years now. except not packing the 43in monitor!
asciilifeform: d00d also had a number of items re islamic theology, schisms, etc. but none of it locatable from my perch
asciilifeform: Mocky: the item in $thread, btw, was by one a. s. tritton , 1943
Mocky: among a few others
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 16:14 asciilifeform: i'm going from a very vintage brit b00k, with very flavourful examples, e.g. 'donkey is poor man's horse', 'i killed the man whose uncle killed my father', 'to be killed is the noblest death', etc in this spirit
asciilifeform: spread like a lolcat meme, and mostly vanished away as the old students died away, perestroika 'modernity' took hold and brought manufactured dopes
asciilifeform: very peculiarly by ameri-lights, there was no 'dope market', 100% of the eaters made own
asciilifeform: in '80s su, there was a period when undergrads 'rediscovered' meth, on own power, as ephedrine was openly sold by the litre 'for asthmatic'
asciilifeform: ( in usgistan proper, they even have an 'analogues act' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hm, i thought these long ago verboten in reich
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a 'diet pill' anyway ? is it simply euphemism for ??? synthetic dope 'not banned in usgreich yet'
BingoBoingo: Latest is the Girl testifies Thursday morning or never. Confirmation vot has to happen at arbitray time in the afternoon or the hearing have to start over because of rules wank
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems rather likely.
BingoBoingo: That's what the current 80's Party Groping fight generating all the noise right now is about. Pantsuit stretching to beat/delay a Trump nominee on parlimentary procedure.
asciilifeform: ( they have this 'confirmations' thing )
BingoBoingo: What, after packing the courts and other appointables through 2019 old clown man isn't going to hammer the re-election?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at this rate i fully expect that he, clitler, and the rest, will succumb to old age long before they see so much as a fine
BingoBoingo: Anyways, because Bush and Obama buried http://trilema.com/2013/the-pulizer-prostitute/#selection-95.0-95.405 it stands that Podesta just might get cuffed around the time of the 2020 Iowa primary
asciilifeform: i dun see how the exact constant makes a practical diff tho
asciilifeform: phunphakt, this is one of those 'national seekoority' things they claim extraterritoriality on -- fuck a 17.99999yo in paris, bang, you're assange
asciilifeform: considering that usg apparatus runs ~100% on them at this point
asciilifeform: trinque: well yes, gotta keep up the production of nedeflorenas somewhow
trinque suspects the ritual is about avoiding sexual imprinting at a critical age
a111: 0 results for "cracking the furry safe", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cracking%20the%20furry%20safe
asciilifeform: !#s cracking the furry safe
asciilifeform: i actually have a d00d, at the outer foggy reaches of my l2, who did 5y for 17yo.
asciilifeform: they see it as righteous dekulakization.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the 1 thing ameritards all seem to agree on. gun, dope, 'illegal' finance, etc cases, sometimes jury nullifies. but 'fucked 17yo? 20 to life' seems to be solidly a-ok by typical ameri-idjit
asciilifeform: ( or if you like, castration cult rose up in rome, they tried to ddt, but... ) lol
asciilifeform: castration cult rose up in old europistan, french, spanish, tried to stomp it out, failed, y'know the rest
mircea_popescu: you mean these are on social media ?
asciilifeform: 'puritan ethic' or how did they call it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who ? all the wizened derps, starting with that defrocked general, and all the way down to typical ameri-konsoomer, the one who gets to maybe see cuntlips when he's 'been good' to picket fence wife and bought her n-th house
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who'd seriously claim fucking teen's offensive ; but i can certainly see the schadenfreunde.
asciilifeform: the unquenchable hatred of the elliots for d00d who had some sort of quasi-desirable sex somewhere , somehow , also , i suspect, helps
asciilifeform: there's a reason they try to set up 'fucked 17yo' for these, it is a kind of gold standard, rather like the old 'trotskyite counter-revolutionary activity', tends to put a cork in all discussion in derposphere by harnessing the healthy hatred for podesta-style pedo, insta-alchemizes accusation into 'guilt', etc
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : cunt therein depicted is attached to 15yo)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the usual reddit-idjit red herring. ( as if he ~had~ to fuck a 17.9 y.o. whore, to be put on assange list, and would somehow not have sufficed that he wore leather shoes, or maybe said unkind word re j00z, or torrented 'star wars ixxxv' or whatever )
BingoBoingo: Well, the derps who figured the pedo thing justified their demographic objections to Milo tend to be referring to Wilson's entrapmant as a such
asciilifeform: ( quite likely even what got him nominated for woodchipper, i can't picture anybody on either side giving half a shit re umpteenth micro-cnc )
asciilifeform: or, moar recent example, the (gassed yet?) wilson d00d. apparently on top of the cnc thing, also made a 'hatreon', 'nazi' clone of patreon pantsuitism
BingoBoingo: That's what his twitter/reddit "supporters" figured too when the maybe pedo thing broke
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty typical, as i understand, for 'rear-wheel-drived' fellas ( btw i wonder what they're called in ro )
BingoBoingo: In other oncology https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-poco-de-agua-fria-para-el-mate-2012825660
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean as in the guy took acting classes, Hollywood didn't call back, decided to do the irony schtick for a buck. Only sligtly less human view.
asciilifeform: but from their own eyes, naturally, 'mystery'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from human pov, ~all~ of what these derps do is 'purely performative' -- rather like those ruminants whose horns are set at such angle that they can never actually ding one another
mircea_popescu: the originally linked pedo, very similarly, "how could MY government not stopped bitcoin as i predicted by=yearly since 2012!!"
BingoBoingo: Milo was purely performative, like the Police Special Forces
asciilifeform: in mostly unrelated lulz, there are apparently noads who shove a couple 100 MB (!) of bastard blox into a connected trb, prior to the latter throwing the ban switch ( because of the idjit shitoshi networking routine, actual disconnect happens a good 10-20sec after ban )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nah, some "gamergate" dood. << That was Milo, did gamergate, tried to jump on the trump train as token jewish homosexual bragging about BBC trophies, that discovery of his audience free status
mircea_popescu: o damn, the "law of attraction" magix. not to be forgotten.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'right', 'nazi', 'weev', etc , types , not even reached level where can discuss 'community', they're still seated firmly in the comfortable usg.provocateur 'right bottle of pepsi' theatre << They also fall into the pulp "Laws of Power" fanfic things so every single one imagines themselves the BIGGEST, leaderest, etc
asciilifeform: ( btw prior to reading the hambly link i had nfi that 'world', what to call it, existed )
mircea_popescu: but because his ~earned~ magic, of communityorganizing, failed to deliver the result printed on box.
asciilifeform: aaa ! him! that was the item upstack
mircea_popescu: that'd be the prototypical "community organizer" who is very angry not because, as elliot, "his birthright" of tall blond nubiles was denied him
asciilifeform: the fundamental lul is that it is impossible to explain to such patient exactly why money printer spilled forth tonnes of luscious green for his predecessor but doesn't want to for him
mircea_popescu: so in short, what i'm working towards here, is that besides the elliot, who is the icon of the first pass, earnest and open, "salt of the earth" ustard, there's also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-16#1850611
asciilifeform: ( there was a related mircea_popescu piece re paulgraham et al, in re how they tried to cargocult-revive orig 'dotcom' bacchanalia )
asciilifeform: 'spreading worked, but where is the eating!, reddit got to eat! we read it , on reddit'
mircea_popescu: "but teach, this is so unfair, those other guys didn't even do this much!" sorta complaints.
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving behind the point -- there's a lot of frustration among "community organizers" (as the niggers prefer to call themselves) when they DO manage to community-organize and nothing fucking happens still.
asciilifeform: with the opposite charge, but aha same basic particle
asciilifeform: but there's, yes, 9000 laments like this
asciilifeform: hm nfi then
asciilifeform: ( did some shilling for 'new, exciting' trump, then saw what summed to and went to the bottle )
asciilifeform: iirc the milo antonopolis d00d
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