mircea_popescu: RUNNING DOG TO THE TWITTERHEADS
mircea_popescu: omfg r3wt this traitor to the holy cause of irc!
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think the implication is that they like to think of themselves in terms of their marriage
benkay: BitcoinSachs: i get people all over my shit all the time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` "the slutty wife" ?
r3wt: when white kids pretend to be black on the internet
nubbins`: always kind of thought that referring to yourself as "the ____ wife" was a bit demeaning
mircea_popescu: i think there's a dogewife doing doges somewhere on 4chan
asciilifeform: is there a litecoinwife?
benkay: oh goodness i don't really know *who* knows about the little boys at this point
nubbins`: i'm not sure how that's so different from doing the same thing on IRC
nubbins`: BitcoinSachs from what i can tell, people were lelling at "the bitcoin wife" because she sits around on her ass in front of a computer all day, thinking that what she says matters
mircea_popescu: what, let the guy have fun.
BitcoinSachs: I don't come into IRC's often because it's usually for the depressed middle aged white man who doesn't get any anymore so they sit in a chat talking to each other. Similar to AOL chats back in the day.
r3wt: wait so who talked shit to the dudes wife here?
mircea_popescu: we go in quite excruciating detail to document how and why they are retarded.
asciilifeform: what the hell is a bitcoinwife? i'm going back to sleep.
mircea_popescu: and nobody is smack talking the retarded here.
mircea_popescu: no, actually, the problem is she's retarded.
BitcoinSachs: Says the half-tards smack talking someone not here because she makes them feel inferior.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i believe the expression is, "coward sitting behind a IRC chat talking shit on someone."
BitcoinSachs: I've already heard all I need to about the bullshit being said in here.
mircea_popescu: B007 yes but he comes from an environment where the obvious and common sense aren't either obvious or common.
B007: link at the top
mircea_popescu: BitcoinSachs do you know how to read the logs ?
BitcoinSachs: I was told there was a fair amount of BitcoinWife bashing going on in here.
nubbins`: you think you've got it bad down there
benkay: all the damn space
benkay: the suburbanization of north america has really atomized people B007 it's not like the eu at all
asciilifeform: jurov: (perhaps belated) 'duplicate moduli' is exactly what it says on the box.
benkay: task for lurking do-gooders: liberate the list of police names and addresses in all of your hometowns
mircea_popescu: this is true. "we know where you live". whats the tank good for ?
benkay: more along the lines of "who can muster a pickup full of men with shotguns"
mircea_popescu: if you read that facebook explanation of the thing in the ukraine, the guy clearly states that the police did not dare intervene in force chiefly becayse "we know where they live and would have killed them off one by one"
nubbins`: there was some disagreement about federal money and he ordered the canadian flag be taken down from all provincial government buildings
benkay: the tanks'll have to change hands first.
mircea_popescu: when in fact the room should have been full of suits suddenly realising that the guillotine is for them.
nubbins`: i picture a room full of suits furrowing their brows and wondering aloud if they can un-expropriate things
nubbins`: "The government later learned it had accidentally expropriated the former mill property in central Newfoundland — and its environmental liabilities — as well."
ozbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: on of ongoing legal proceedings Abitibi had against the province, and the blocking of access to Newfoundlands courts by Abitibi.
mircea_popescu: The company closed its paper mill in Stephenville, Newfoundland in 2005, and announced in 2008 that it would also close its plant in Grand Falls-Windsor. The Newfoundland and Labrador House of Assembly promptly passed legislation expropriating AbitibiBowater's assets in the province. This included the cancellation of water and hydroelectric contracts and agreements between the province and Abitibi, the cancellati
ozbot: Newfoundland and Labrador v. AbitibiBowater Inc. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: under the guise of "regulation" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: (obv the russian govt side would very much argue that they did a splendid job, protected it via diplomacy.)
benkay: whole mining stack gets snatched up and taken over by the government.
mircea_popescu: like the us protected rockefeller's ?
mircea_popescu: who is going to send in the army, ww1 style, to protect your claims
benkay: i'll settle for the machines.
mircea_popescu: repudiation is the unilateral rejection of a claim. like what companies do on havelock,
mircea_popescu: lol they beleeted it all ?
mircea_popescu: and moreover, even if they strike it big, repudiation is a major concern.
mircea_popescu: benkay whjen they go under it'd be too late.
benkay: they have sweet machines
nubbins`: fun fact, the easternmost point in north america is in denmark
mircea_popescu: benkay amusingly, it's exactly the same thing, because of the huge capital barriers involved.
nubbins`: and the usa i guess, 'cos of alaska
mircea_popescu: a war over the np would be cool.
nubbins`: not just for minerals either, hence all the hand-waving and sabre-rattling around claims to the north pole
mircea_popescu: nubbins` aren't you describing the exact same thing ? :)
nubbins`: the exploration companies pay bums to camp out in lineups for days/weeks
nubbins`: once a year the canadian government sells titles
nubbins`: the process of procuring a claim here is a bit of an odd thing
benkay: there is one major difference with nautilus, however.
mircea_popescu: the smarter and luckier actually get exploration companies together, which have possibly valuable claims.
mircea_popescu: the idiots, who are people who wish to strike it big, take all the risk and go camp in the wild, whittling their lives away fighing the impossible odds of nature.
mircea_popescu: the way the exploration market works is, the governments holding explorable land spend some public money on support services for idiots. like i dunno, geologist support.
mircea_popescu: they're a penny stock neh ?
benkay: i'd kill for some. or to work with them.
mircea_popescu: provided you have the sense to identify which shares are worth holding in the first place.
mircea_popescu: provided they'll actually not renege.
benkay: nautilus minerals has apparently canceled their deep sea mining relationship with whichever tinpot country they were working with
nubbins`: this is why people are worried about massive algal blooms in the ocean
mircea_popescu: and in fact there's more of them today than 200 years ago, because we keep dumping all this organic and iron into the ocean
nubbins`: i for one welcome the arrival of intelligent plants
nubbins`: TBF when you keep making people and stop making trees, the level of O2 is obv going to decline ;p
mircea_popescu: to the tune of what, 100 trn ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless it's a fact that oxygen saturation in atmosphere has been dropping for the past coupla centuries.
mircea_popescu: and while the "Carbon" preoccupation is laughable on the part of hte "climate scientists", ie the dudes dressed in white coats on tv screens,
mircea_popescu: lar system is free oxygen. If there will ever be a "peak" in the inputs to hydrocarbon combustion in the solar system it will be in free oxygen -- which as a natural occurence is extremely rare beyond Earth's atmosphere, and is rather expensive to make artificially.
mircea_popescu: Some perspective, even some purely theoretical perspective, is in order. If we look at the problem at the scale of the solar system, we find that hydrocarbons are remarkably common -- Titan has clouds and lakes of ethane and methane, for example, and there are trillions of tonnes of hydrocarbons, at least, to be found on comets and in the atmospheres and moons of the gas giant planets. What is far more scarce in the so
ozbot: Mining the Vasty Deep
benkay: oh the underwater mining routine?
benkay: does he make coherent arguments on the topic?
mircea_popescu: the problem is they have the unmitigated audacity to pretend like they know what they're talking about.
Jere_Jones: If not for http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/, most of http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ would have been lost on me.
mircea_popescu: totally infantile these people. and i mean, the bitcoinwife being a clueless bint is one thing
mircea_popescu: the20year idiot zonehenge "karpeles quits bf, price plumets"
nubbins`: no cowbell, heavy on the cymbals tho
nubbins`: because the drums are so goddamn loud
cazalla: i had so many 4slicetoaster.com websites plastered with their engrish
cazalla: yeah, i miss the pre panda/penguin days
cazalla: too outspoken, her husband should do the speaking yet he is silent
mircea_popescu: people with any smarts need to be convinced to start blogs. people who already have blogs... dun wanna use the noggin. it's a dilemma.
the20year: Maybe we could use that type of theme for rentalstarter...
nubbins`: "the bitcoin wife"
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour and 19 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> TURING COMPLETE
nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: there's like fiddy billion of these retards who think they matter in btc because they have no life, and so they "live for bitcoin"
nubbins`: although there's a shockingly high number of really good albums that come out of it each year
mircea_popescu: for their "album"
mircea_popescu: most girlies get about a week in the studio
nubbins`: the music machine is costly
nubbins`: but it's an excuse to submit a dick surgery to the CBC
mircea_popescu: what's so hard about making an album in a month. 3 days/song is over the average for pro pop these days.
KRS-One: well? who else had a coin named after them?
nubbins`: so there's this thing called the RPM Challenge, where interested parties may give themselves the task of writing and recording an album of music entirely during the month of february
mircea_popescu: ahaha wait wait. "the proven leaders in crypto" max keiser ?
mircea_popescu: fucking despicable abuse of women to a degree not the loweliest slave in the most obscure african harem endures.
mircea_popescu: hunter coin is adorable and she roots out for ken the most.
Duffer1: ah shit i went 6 on the second line
mircea_popescu: this is what the fucktarded activists have reduced the matter to. these are "women in tech"
Duffer1: the stuple has spoken
Duffer1: @pbaril @bitcoin_girl IMO #MAX, #QRK & #DOGE differ from each other enough that unless you are day-trading alts, it'd be prudent to hold all
benkay: so dumb cannot comprehend their own dumbness
benkay: dumbest in the world award
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: so as a bonus exercise for he who was smart enough to find the important spot, write an alternative future or description of what the prayer should hgave been
Jere_Jones: I'm getting there
benkay: oh my god bitcoinwife tweet feed or whatever they call is maybe worse than btctalk?
the20year: Just say something that could potentially be taken the wrong way and all hell breaks loose
the20year: Don't even have to do that 90% of the time
mircea_popescu: you call one of these schmucks names it's like a cataclysmic event in their little brain.
the20year: Some people can't comprehend the fact that they're supid so they want to blame everyone else and call them names
mircea_popescu: how could you NOT patronize these idiots ?
mircea_popescu: @TheBitcoinWife · 44s
mircea_popescu: @TheBitcoinWife @Beautyon_ Hon, you really need to drop by #bitcoin-assets. Yer the one missing out. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: Staunch Bitcoin purists are missing out on the beautiful decentralization of innovation that is manifested in altcoins. Real time evolution!
mircea_popescu: @TheBitcoinWife · 6h
mircea_popescu: meanwhile over at the stupid farm :
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is, mostly, the bezzle.
mircea_popescu: dignork the fact that user numbers are like "views", ie easily and commonly faked is only known here, apparently.
mike_c: the autonomy deal? accounting fraud that was only found after acquistion
mircea_popescu: mike_c there must be some tax angle in all this i'm missing.
mircea_popescu: and lo and behold, they did indeed. for 70 MILLION
mircea_popescu: so they retort that telefonica did in fact buy some messaging app
mircea_popescu: and so it's a chipmunk in the discussion.
mircea_popescu: so then i point out that telefonica makes 5bn net on 70bn revenue
mircea_popescu: because they actually believe this shit.
mircea_popescu: and they go like o no, old money loses money through its teeth.
mike_c: i was reading about HP acquisition of autonomy the other day. numbers were something like "acquired for $11b. HP wrote off $8B"
mircea_popescu: then i point out that this bs deal put the bar way wya topo high, which means there won't be more sales, as old money has more of a clue
mircea_popescu: and armchair generals going "i wonder who's the next to buy one of these. vodafone ? telefonica ?"
mircea_popescu: rather than 1mn a day
mircea_popescu: this yielded two results : telegraf now making noises about how they added 800k new users in the past 4 hours
nicknode: i've always felt im part of that club, though i seem to never recognize the other members though
benkay: plus the mythology and cult worship around google/yahoo/msft/etc totally throws everyone's radars out of whack
benkay: so i just realized the outsized returns of "startups" blind the average street "angel" to kelly criteria evaluation
mike_c: more complicated on variable payouts, but the formulas are not complicated.
nicknode: how much to bet then becomes a question of expected value (or rather excess value, or "edge"), variance and account size
mircea_popescu: i guess i missed some zeroes but you get the idea.
benkay: optimal risk something or other?
benkay: hey guys what's the notion of estimating how much of your pot to bet on a thing of known odds and payout called?
Jere_Jones: "But lend it rather to thine enemy, who, if he break, thou mayst with better face exact the penalty." lol
mircea_popescu: check out the logs of here ~20 hours ago,
randomcloud: Damn it, now I'm gonna wonder what's going on the whole night. :/
randomcloud: No, not gribble, it's from another room where BingoBoingo and I hang out in; the message says he was the one who sent it
randomcloud: A bot in another room
mircea_popescu: either in jail or in a whiskey barrel
mircea_popescu: o wait, you're the randomcloud chick i remember nao
mircea_popescu: i guess i bought some things, actually, not on the usual "here's my shop" sense
benkay: i wonder what fraction of shit sold for btc is sold to people who just want to spend their bitcoins to fuel the consumer tech self-validation angle
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones yes. it's what people were discussing in that log link i gave above. my selection of it, ie http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/
benkay: how is your DAC going to handle the problem of vetting pantie suppliers from pakistan, india, china, etc?
benkay: people don't use the script system in bitcoin not 'cause it's not turing complete but because the needs ethereum satisfies are entirely imaginary.
nicknode: benkay: ether is useless cause real word is messy, that it?
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones you know the merchant of venice, do you ?
mircea_popescu: can i sell tickets to "Touring benkay butt. The international butt tour!" ?
benkay: no ether-fueled turing computers necessary.
mircea_popescu: benkay except sd ipod on mpex not on ethereum
benkay: a local businessman asked me about Ethereum and its "distributed autonomous corporations" recently. i sent him back a tome the gist of which was "come on man you run a business do you really think these nerds are going to code up an AI that can handle the ambiguity and indeterminacy of what we do? it mighta worked for S.D. and J.D. but shit at the end of the day those were driven just fine by humans!"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller pretty much. then "and they aren't for X anyway, they're for Y" then blogger "omfg you do not understand the holy cause of the future!!11"
thestringpuller: blogger: "omg crytocontracts are new, they'll change things" bitcoin-assets: "Uh we've been using them for a few years now, we know."
mircea_popescu: there was some good discussion here re why that's nonsense, lemme find it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there's this massive derpage re "we've found this technology which we'll pretend like and demand it does our work for us"
thestringpuller: lol won't be enforced. the other guy says "self enforcing" i just found it interesting people are bringing these subjects up years later
mircea_popescu: you mean the gpg contracts trilema article ?
the20year: Depends on the state i'd guess. Is it enforcable in your state? GPGs are not in mine, but online contracts can be certified
Jere_Jones: If I recall correctly, one of mircea_popescu's points about gpg contracts was that they are unenforcable and that they should be agreed to with the knowledge that they are unenforcable.
mircea_popescu: the20year you just added a jpg
the20year: Where's the bitstamp orderbook?
thestringpuller: lol bitbet is technically bound by gpg contract via prospectus. says in prospectus the methodology of how payouts/bet resolution occurs etc...
mircea_popescu: antephialtic look at the log
antephialtic: look at the asks
mircea_popescu: mp: "Women are the future of tech like they are the present of governance. When it sucks they come to dominate it."
mircea_popescu: people harping on twitter about how women are the future of tech
thestringpuller: it's so weird on the outside
thestringpuller: they let me out of jail last week
mircea_popescu: o look who's here. thestringpuller when did oyu get out
bloctoc: can someone explain that wall on bitstamp. I know it's declasse to talk about price action, but the20year just brought it up
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
the20year: They had been calling for him to resign
bloctoc: note to self, if offered a seat on the board, run.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: the20year2: it's not "volume" if you're only selling.
benkay: something to do with neobee i gather
MisterE: http://www.tuaw.com/2014/02/19/apple-google-and-other-tech-companies-made-a-secret-pact-to-ke/?ncid=rss_trun
MisterE: http://www.tuaw.com/2014/02/19/apple-google-and-other-tech-companies-made-a-secret-pact-to-ke/?ncid=rss_trunhttps://sslimgs.xkcd.com/comics/automation.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu cluck, cluck! Also, for the sake of curiosity, I'd be more interested in a car registry than a car club per se. Also also, ce nu the omoarà the intàreste. Noroc!
benkay: probably erring on the high side honestly
dexX7: from lmb-holdings.com: ... and there are 2756311 of Shares available, out of which 15653 are locked.
benkay: to the logs with you, dexX7
davout: dexX7: the tranny porn is in a private folder
dexX7: i wasn't expecting music when i started the download
davout: you better not unzip the first stranger you meet, jus saying
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user davout: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=davout | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davout | Rated since: Thu Jan 27 16:22:24 2011
davout: benkay: come in the van, i have candy
davout: the chick looks good too
benkay: now there's some stimulation
bitcoinpete: Well, I find the level of intellectual rigour in this space to be the highest. BTC has the broadest scope of implications of pretty much anything I've yet encountered and that brings forth the most fascinating types of people.
benkay: a schtick as they say
bitcoinpete: mod6 thanks for the pic!
davout: i love to compare interpretations, sometimes it feels like the differences make for a completely different piece
benkay: man we should really just share public keys and scp stuff to each other
davout: web version will do then
davout: you want the mp3s of jacqueline dupré's C & D Haydn ?
benkay: i found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwjZnZDpXSA which has the same thing, but maybe more of
BeanFactoryPostP: don't forget to define them as global constants