ozbot: Crytocurrency of the Working Man
MisterE: this was back at the time
nubbins`: the coffee i'm drinking is worth more than gox
MisterE: " MisterE, the volume numbers on MPOE for depth are complete and utter nonesense, he's claiming that his ultra thinly traded virtual stock trading on it's own market is worth more than a mtgox because the spot price was ludicrous"
mike_c: i mean, if it's wordpress we can just let them host. but i can throw up a wiki if that's the decision.
jurov: mike_c has hosrting, too. but it's in the US?
nubbins`: (eulorum being both the singular of eulora and a portmanteau of "eulora" and "forum")
jurov: welll... what about the jursdiction
mike_c: btcalpha isn't exactly crumbling under the traffic load :)
jurov: only use that free hosting if they allow backups
mike_c: i'd be willing to host one if there's interest.
nubbins`: i'm gonna set up a wordpress blog in the next couple days so we can have a permanent home for compiling/troubleshooting etc info
jurov: becuse i then used CS from 0.0.1 and it segfaults
jurov: maybe they patched it internally
nubbins`: i feel like it's in one of the earlier bundles
jurov: eulora doesn't ship their CS cource?
Bugpowder: I need to go record from the mouse brains... Will put this on hold for a bit.
mike_c: pretty bad luck. chetty suggested graphics drivers. so i updated my drivers and it hosed the box.
Bugpowder: The list may not be exhaustive though
dignork: Bugpowder: ok, but how do you know the owner of 1M1ZkWpHfuQthji2AVsGDvpfY2PrcXQar6 ?
Bugpowder: A bunch were rapidly chained down to addresses of a few 1000 BTC each then they sat for a while
Bugpowder: dignork: all the addresses that had near even splits off of this transaction https://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805
kakobrekla: so no need for me to pull the data?
Bugpowder: Soon we will see what happened to the cold wallets.
Bugpowder: The good news is that I have interfaced matlab with block chain.info so I can spider through these addresses instead of hand analyzing them
ThickAsThieves: moon the moon!
KRS-One: are u guys watching these marekts
dexX7: must be legit - "bitcoin" (not "Bitcoin", well at least sometimes), "Blockchain.info" (not blockchain.info) and round quotation marks.. matches the style used in previous statements ;)
MisterE: where is the bottom?
zoinky: oh the fud
Namworld: lol whut. This is golden bullshit right at the first paragraph. Gotta read that.
Bugpowder: which occasionally get pushed back to the hot
nubbins`: so they're taking a huge cold wallet and splitting it into several smaller cold wallets and one hot wallet
Bugpowder: kakobrekla: I think I can scrape the specific blocks I need from block chain.info
nubbins`: but why bifurcate 5 times on the way from cold to hot?
ThickAsThieves: i cna understand breaking it up into other wallets, by why go back to the green one?
ThickAsThieves: why would they do that?
Bugpowder: addresses getting cut in half 5 of 6 times, then sitting for a while, some going back into the green address.
Bugpowderr: and there is a very clear pattern starting here https://blockchain.info/tx/478ea915aa3a2e54503c43e1c5659722b42a784412423a05394c83a44affb805
Bugpowderr: but we can see if there are some patterns and get a feeling for it
ThickAsThieves: not that they dont
Bugpowderr: There is no way to be sure
Bugpowderr: Anyway... That block range is the key block range I think MtGox set up their cold addresses in.
Bugpowderr: ok I will try to figure that out... Doing lots of stuff at the moment
Bugpowderr: kakobrekla: I mean for the network.... Is there a tool I can use to scrape this out of the block chain data myself?
kakobrekla: em, you mean all from that list or all tx on the network
Bugpowderr: Then we can see all the putative cold storage addresses, and how many eventually pour back into the green address
Bugpowderr: ThickAsThieves: the x axis is a timeline (in transaction #)
Jere_Jones: Does that mean that about half the original btc are sitting roughly 2 hops away from the green address?
Bugpowderr: The address at one point moves 437,000 BTC, then bifurcates that several times into smaller addresses, some of which eventually get returned to the green address. Let's call these putative cold storage addresses.
Bugpowderr: kakobrekla: got the chart
kakobrekla: basically on bets that you perceive close to 50:50 it only makes sense to bet when the weight is high or the yes to no ratio skewed badly
mike_c: it basically means i can't give up the odds the weight is laying. the weight being the decreasing odds that bitbets offer as the bet goes on
Jere_Jones: mike_c "fade the weight"? What does that mean?
mike_c: i don't have a strong enough opinion to fade the weight.
kakobrekla: the end weight, i mean.
nubbins`: oh, karplel resigned from the foundation?
nubbins`: not sure there's such a thing as a perfect analogy here
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt the parents be LMB though?
ThickAsThieves: the title for the NEOBEE bitbet may be leading a bit, what if it just moves to some other exchange?
diametric: well the second part is less vague
kakobrekla: oh there is such metric
diametric: and the bet would satisfy yes
kakobrekla: i think the size of bets over time would be an interesting metric
mircea_popescu: probably by now the only point of interest re mtgox left.
mircea_popescu: twizt there's a bitbet bet about it going under 150
mike_c: he basically broke even (instead of losing his shirt), so they are way below EV
kakobrekla: so nakowa pumped the stats alone
mike_c: the big bump (and reason they aren't close to EV) was nakowa dumping 1mil in action in september i believe
mike_c: yeah, they started tracking mid october
Duffer1: since they're still in business
jurov: Duffer1: do they deserve such attention?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 whatever he picks, he can be at it until the cows come home
Duffer1: the world would be a better place if Rod started poking BFL and/or ActM
mike_c: kakobrekla: volume hit 5m 10 days agao. the line is pretty steady.
wao-ender: c'mon, but they rent some kind big building in that tiny town?
Rod: will do then.
mircea_popescu: (this is probably the best place to get in touch with me)
Rod: Mircea, I'm gonna set up a wallet and Ill tweet you when it's done. Probably later this week as I am traveling some over the next few days.
mircea_popescu: i've not been watching it much, other than to marvel in disbelief how the profit just won't revert to normal.
kakobrekla: seems the volume went quickly to 5mio and now is kinda sluggish ?
pankkake: I hope 0.9 will fix sync though, because the current situation sucks
nubbins`: glad they said "cease"
nubbins`: havelock goes down for an hour and the bet resolves as yes
pankkake: it is fast, and it has a lot of usage. I'm uploading around ~600kbs/s all the time
Duffer1: the bootstrap torrent is really fast
BingoBoingo: Multibit just tracks inputs and outputs, it doesn't do the client sever thing electrum does though.
thestringpuller: what's the command for blockchain size
pankkake: does Multibit keep the blockchain on your machine?
Duffer1: ya probably fastest to get set up on blockchain.info for a wallet address, then start bitpay kyc account procedures probably takes a while
mircea_popescu: i think bitpay actually pays out to paypal ? not even sure, never used them myself.
mircea_popescu: if youwant to keep them prolly blockchain.info, or sure, multibit.org
Rod: is there a consensus about which is best for a non-profit like us that is not terribly sophisticated?
gribble: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/>; The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
mircea_popescu: do not keep much value there however.
mircea_popescu: Rod so wait, you have a bitcoin wallet then ?
Duffer1: ah so you've never been to bitcointalk.org then? :P
Rod: of course i get bitcoin, just did not know of the fraud possibilities
mircea_popescu: course they're petrified of me, but hey.
mircea_popescu: you'll be fine, there's people older than you here
Rod: i am unfamiliar with this world; i feel like a 70 year old guy looking at the moonshot.
mircea_popescu: there are some other people trying to cover things, but they're you know, doing other things.
mircea_popescu: there is so much you can cover, you will literally not be doing anything else.
mircea_popescu: sifting through there you can get AT LEAST a subject a day.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, get a bitcoin address up for donations, maybe some of these scrooges will sweeten the pot
mircea_popescu: you're a nonprofit, you can have it there. got a donation address ?
Rod: Thats generous, no need. getting the story out there, to people I dont see or know, its appreciated enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://sirf-online.org/2014/02/21/how-to-effortlessly-earn-a-riskless-90-on-your-bitcoins-through-the-magic-of-binary-options-trading-or-the-nigerian-email-con-tries-wall-street/
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This beauty http://sirf-online.org/2014/02/21/how-to-effortlessly-earn-a-riskless-90-on-your-bitcoins-through-the-magic-of-binary-options-trading-or-the-nigerian-email-con-tries-wall-street/
mircea_popescu: we have a shitton of the stuff and it needs you desperately.
mircea_popescu: so, how do i get you to spend the next decade of your life obsessively covering bitcoin stocks ?
mircea_popescu: a there you go!
pankkake: nubbins`: what's the RPM challenge? your thing is weird
mircea_popescu: Rod you the sirf guy ?
nubbins`: the nsa taps phones, not asses
mircea_popescu: i'm like the nsa
kakobrekla: nubbins` thats the public key you dummy!
nubbins`: if anyone's interested, i've got one of them available for streaming: https://atelierbleu.bandcamp.com/
nubbins`: okay, so we actually recorded two albums for the RPM challenge
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> might not be completely your type tho :P (not super model enuff)
nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller
Jere_Jones: The yubikey can hold a static password up to 64 characters long. 200+? 4 yubikeys that you have to use in the right order?
mircea_popescu: anyway, past about 48 characters or so you get no actual further benefit
pankkake: by the way, there is an enormous amount of websites failing with my passwords. too long(!), characters making the thing explode…
mircea_popescu: The length is stored in an unsigned char type, which will overflow and wrap at 256
mircea_popescu: maybe they can paint a mutt in gold this time
jurov: they crave exposure, ya know
jurov: isn't that the dud with 20000 domains?
kakobrekla: and then WHO
kakobrekla: oh yeah and the link www.cryptocurrencyconvention.com
kakobrekla: We believe that CryptoCurrency is the future and the foundation is being set now. We are making a conscious intentional effort to collaborate with other leaders and pioneers such as yourself to bring CryptoCurrency to the people it benefits.
kakobrekla: Please take a few moments to look over our and know that we are humbled to be involved with bitcoin and CryptoCurrency so early. The future is bright.
kakobrekla: We are looking for support from others like yourself in the CryptoCurrency Ecosystem. Education and exposure is how we all win.
kakobrekla: We have a very wide range of sponsorships and promotional items to suit any appetite and will over-deliver on all of them. VIP Parties, Special Events and Hackathons have also proven to be beneficial beyond branding and exposure. New York City makes anything possible. We are expecting 1500-2000 attendees.
kakobrekla: The event is being held at the Hilton Midtown Manhattan and over 25,000 sq/ ft will be dedicated to exhibits, speakers, attendees and investors.
jurov: i only get email from vulturescammer and the like
kakobrekla: >I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. I see that your company is involved with bitcoin. We are hosting the CryptoCurrency Convention in NYC on April 9th. We wanted to reach out to see if a partnership opportunity would be both appropriate and mutually beneficial.
asciilifeform: herr tito, famously: 'Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle... If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second.'
kakobrekla: pankkake > It has a similar sound to the English dg in dodge.
jurov: duuno why they didn't use "x" proper, nobody takes that seriously anyway
pankkake: if I paste it the character is transformed
pankkake: Dž (titlecase form; all-capitals form DŽ, lowercase dž) is the seventh letter of the Croatian and Bosnian alphabets
asciilifeform: i thought even the chinese have renounced weirdo keyboards
mircea_popescu: to the moon!
kakobrekla: is that "8 absofuckinglutley the fuckin same as Đ" in php?
jurov: pankkake they are under 1-9 on US layout
mircea_popescu: if god had wanted stupid letters he;d have made them
mircea_popescu: all these shits everywhere.
asciilifeform: '... the first western nuclear power plant in eastern Europe'
mircea_popescu: It runs on [...] demineralized water as the moderator
mircea_popescu: "The plant is a 2-loop Westinghouse pressurized water reactor, with a rated thermal capacity of 1,994 thermal megawatts (MWt) and 696 megawatts-electric"
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gribble: KRKO-AM: <http://www.krko.com/>; KRKO - North Sound 1380 Everett, WA - Listen Online - TuneIn: <http://tunein.com/radio/North-Sound-1380-s35018/>; KRKO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRKO>
asciilifeform: for anyone who doesn't know the score re: 's.nsa', i personally only earn anything if the product works as advertised and is well-loved.
mircea_popescu: no no, you're payin'. he's got the tits.
benkay`: givin me the heebie jeebies
kakobrekla: it was a reply to the humble last line from ascii before that
kakobrekla: these shares are not trading?
Vexual: i think thats the neo ipo
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably the number guesser thing
asciilifeform: once the complete blueprints for the current product are published, the carcass becomes less essential. and this too should end up priced in.
ThickAsThieves: it's in the main nav
asciilifeform: at any rate, i do assume that mpex users have brains and that the amount of s.nsa operations presently resting on my earthy carcass is priced into the shares.
mircea_popescu: no hits for havelock or shares on the main page ?
asciilifeform: suppose $fill-in-the-blank splits << suppose we're all hanged tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: The predictive power of kakobrekla's soul slander has lead me to submit a bitbet for consideration.
mircea_popescu: now imagine that instead of the two parties, there was a 3rd agent involved on one side.
jurov: I wonder why the havelock IPO is not mentioned on neo-bee.com ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/ << this is an instructive example, which was litigated in spite of the thing being quite public, and on a hell of a technicality.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the direct question, yes.
mircea_popescu: but as a rule of thumb, it opens up the agent to all sorts of liabilities.
mircea_popescu: there's about five yards worth of caselaw dealing with undisclosed contracts/relationships and what implications these have.
pankkake: the only one I managed to finish was Full Throttle
mircea_popescu: that and planescape:torment prolly the best writing in game history.
pankkake: I have played other lucasarts games but not this one :(
Duffer1: ken having his head so far up his own ass he doesn't know up from down isn't the problem it's those terrible trolls pankkake and crumbs, payed by MP to slander ActM
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves seems to me you've put yourself in a rather untenable position there, if that's what you're asking.
pankkake: if only they spent that energy on researching scammers
kakobrekla: you dont understand that whatever you contract says you are associated with them in public
ThickAsThieves: you dont see a difference between the things my name is on and everyone else's yet?
mircea_popescu: pankkake the lulzy part is the guy has a dota avatar. wtf one could like dota and be that silly.
kakobrekla: i asked you at what point, obviously you think its all good or else you wouldnt be doing the administration or does it not matter to you ?
ThickAsThieves: how the hell can you still be riding that
mircea_popescu: we're in the wot!
mircea_popescu: pankkake for "MPEx and other stuff" (#32218)."
mircea_popescu: "Now, if you look at his Web of Trust ratings, you'll see that pankkake has a rating from user abc4btc with the note
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5343174#msg5343174 some serious conspiracy stuff going on! (too bad I actually bought the captchas for the other guy, not the reverse)
mircea_popescu: and this is merely scratching the surface.
mircea_popescu: as they trusted you and your secret contract to protect their legitimate interest in the matter.
mircea_popescu: if the deal goes south in any way your secret contract fails to cover for it any havelock owner can sue you for breach of fiduciary duty
ThickAsThieves: i am only an administrator for them
mircea_popescu: at the very least as about five different torts.
mircea_popescu: suppose they get bought out.
ThickAsThieves: they are profit-shares firstly
ThickAsThieves: burn down the buildings and vanish?
mircea_popescu: S.NSA has a total of 4`737`075 authorised shares outstanding. The total assets per share implied value is thus 0.00009980 BTC. The cash+tangible assets per share implied value is thus 0.00009828 BTC.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves roughly. have you seen the s.nsa report ?
mircea_popescu: not very good examples, there.
ThickAsThieves: 1.0 par? you mena you refund the ipo price?
mircea_popescu: and people get ~1.0 par on their shares.
mircea_popescu: i distribute ~1.0 par on the shares and dissolve s.nsa
Apocalyptic: "<I_told_you_so> US Exchange Regulators needs to step in and Audit Mt.Gox finances to protect the US investors." seriously nao
ThickAsThieves: then what do you do
Vexual: did you spec the suicide imagery?
ThickAsThieves: i helped with the new website, though it wasn't rendered entirely to spec
Vexual: did your cousins fit out the shop tat?
pankkake: I liked the neo payement receipt
mircea_popescu: well then.
ThickAsThieves: sometimes they listen
mircea_popescu: do you run the havelock asset ?
kakobrekla: all of them
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there was a business cca 2012, different guy
kakobrekla: i shathap then
kakobrekla: Experience the investment potential of Bitcoin with none of the risk, agree to purchase a value of bitcoins over a pre-selected period of time and get either your original investment back or a prioritised share of the gains.
mircea_popescu: http://sirf-online.org/2014/02/21/how-to-effortlessly-earn-a-riskless-90-on-your-bitcoins-through-the-magic-of-binary-options-trading-or-the-nigerian-email-con-tries-wall-street/ sort-of lulzy
Jere_Jones: I only saw the final frame
BingoBoingo: Maybe the point is that jacking of meets those criteria exactly
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones the well known headmash on kbd gif
mircea_popescu: these self improvement idjits are ridiculous by now. "You want to do something that you enjoy every day and then the outcome doesn't matter."