benkay: I tell myself that it's probably for the best as I'd likely have gotten mixed up in some profitable and not terribly reputable business and wound up in the pokey given my predilections.
benkay: although my regret revolves around a brief brush with HTML and C that never turned into anything.
benkay: me too!
benkay: doubt i'll ever tire of the sight
benkay: most lovely though when convulsing with out of body experiences
benkay: they're all beautiful in their own way
benkay: stopped in at her crib on a trip to santa clara last year. still get along grandly.
benkay: i just remembered the first girl i fingered.
benkay: oh man!
benkay: hm.
benkay: ;;calc 2014-1997
benkay: BingoBoingo: I approve.
benkay: BingoBoingo: you've gone clear through classy 'fuck all your insane styles' all the way back to '97.
benkay: bingo that's some background texturing you got there
benkay: pretty badass
benkay: amazing soldering, asciilifeform.
benkay: "In modern wit all printed trash is/Set off with numerous breaks and dashes"
benkay: 181 kilobutts
benkay: sorry
benkay: 1 day volume for mpoe was 18.1 kilobutts
benkay: $vwap s.mpoe
benkay: wowee
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
benkay: much technical analysis
benkay: questions for the ages.
benkay: does mpoe track the coins or do the coins track mpoe?
benkay: contrast this with people who write jokes once for twitter and are forever doomed to hear "oh yeah i read that on your social whatever" when they want to iterate and improve.
benkay: avoiding social media of all sorts has made me a better conversationalist by giving me the opportunity to tell and retell a story or a pitch, refining it on based on each recipient.
benkay: united stats of confidence games
benkay: all your butts are distribute but only on mastercoin lolol
benkay: its gonna distribute your butt
benkay: u guise let me tell you about mastercoin
benkay: can i get marginalized on mpex?
benkay: "However along with that uniqeness comes risk but with proper management the potential can be marginalised."
benkay: "arbatrage and currency exchange services"
benkay: and ads
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
benkay`: doubt it'll stick, but amusing.
benkay`: i was appreciating the term coinage.
benkay`: oh i get it
benkay`: too locklin!
benkay`: the six month lag won't be that big of a deal in the long run
benkay`: ofc
benkay`: this appeared in a conversation about e-cigarettes recently, where the idea of regulating these vaporizing devices was broadly hailed in the room as a grand thing.
benkay`: we are so far gone that lack of regulation is a vice.
benkay`: 3. Network Externalities
benkay`: 2. Lack of regulation
benkay`: 1. Uncertainty
benkay`: D. The Vices of Digital Currency
benkay`: aaaah.
benkay`: pinky ring?
benkay`: that *would* be the point.
benkay`: In a paper entitled “Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin Within the Reach of the IMF,” Nicholas A. Plassaras suggests that the International Monetary Fund is ill-equipped to handle the widespread use of bitcoins into the foreign exchange market, highlighting the inability of the Fund to intervene in the event of a speculative attack on a country’s currency by bitcoin users.
benkay`: not entirely serious Duffer1
benkay`: can't get in wot from windows
benkay`: targeted delivery
benkay`: massively reduced hormone load
benkay`: iud's are tits
benkay: the cows i eat also feel pain when they aren't killed right quick
benkay: always figured air played a role in the production of sound with vocal cords
benkay: i actually have no idea
benkay: in the womb, noone can hear you scream.
benkay: well, one's intimately attached to the life support system; the other can scream on its own.
benkay: none!
benkay: probably "who knows! nobody in here touches that shit except the MPOE bot..."
benkay: it's not like anyone in here actually does anything bitcoin-related ;)
benkay: now now
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
benkay: i'm sure better criteria can be come up with.
benkay: they can feed themselves?
benkay: not a terribly popular stance, but resolves this question about who does what with the newt.
benkay: or we could just bring back the notion that property is the only constant and that humans too can be property.
benkay: locked cages and asics?
benkay: you don't rent servers this is bitcoin
benkay: why tulips?
benkay: come with or come on?
benkay: dunno vex hit me
benkay: http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/newsflash-ben-bernanke-originally-wrote-miley-cyruss-hit-song-we-cant-stop-as-a-fedzlz-mission-statetemenstz-lzzoizzlzoz/
benkay: har har har
benkay: dunno v whazzat?
benkay: u can't bitcoin, u no has bitcoin eventually
benkay: bitcoin is hard
benkay: i'm trying to give you a bigger perspective here
benkay: blocks -> transactions
benkay: you're investigating this months old thing where someone tried to slip in under the wire of a bet before it closed, but sent from a not-really-a-wallet-wallet and so didn't have a txn fee, which meant their txn had to wait for the first friendly miner including zero fee blocks.
benkay: but it's really for you.
benkay: i could just as well have written 'one'
benkay: well the 'you' thing is a conversational construct
benkay: if you can't handle txn fees, and you don't understand their impact on transactions, you don't hold bitcoin for long.
benkay: a logical person wouldn't smell anything but stupid
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: between the other 'wallet' and bitbet?
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: precisely.
benkay: this story is SO OLD
benkay: it is the fate of all who do not grok their computation platforms to forever wail and thrash in incompetent rage at their continuing inability to do business and acquire as much capital as their self-image indicates they should have
benkay: basically some idiot had a dependency in his financial toolchain whose impacts on sending money he didn't understand.
benkay: yup sounds right to me
benkay: people who don't understand how things actually work are generally going to fuck themselves.
benkay: it may as well say "because he's an idiot who doesn't understand the bitcoin protocol"
benkay: subtle distinction many people fail to understand. requires intimate understanding of the blockchain etc.
benkay: no because his transaction didn't clear before the deadline
benkay: now as part of a jewelry, discreet and all, that might be an interesting thing.
benkay: nubbins' this whole pubkey in public thing is a bit declasse, you know? "here's where you can send me money" printed on things is a bit tacky.
benkay: possibly stitched
benkay: a tiny barely-there stencil over the breast pocket might be nice
benkay: sounds ugly as fuck
benkay: gotta love that average order size
benkay: ivstr28: see above.
benkay: and until someone pays me for a thorough fisking it will just have to languish in the obscurity that is the attention of the altcoin/I matter circlejerk.
benkay: well its pretty badly written to begin with
benkay: ivstr28: the david johnston paper?
benkay: the david johnston paper?
benkay: i can't even fathom the mind that decided that a return to the broken past was necessary.
benkay: mastercoin has reversable transactions
benkay: all work ever done on mastercoin is irrelevant.
benkay: no appreciation for history.
benkay: here, a freebie:
benkay: potatoes can be had though
benkay: you'll have to get into the WoT and sign a contract so I can nail your ass to the wall for nonpayment later.
benkay: yup. 1B/hr of answering your questions with meat and potatoes.
benkay: i'm not getting paid to do your thinking for you, although we can arrange for that.
benkay: master coin to the moon!
benkay: oh well that convinced me
benkay: "I saw JR Willet present at Bitcoin 2013 conference in San Jose. He struck me as an honest guy, well intentioned, and smart. That's why I don't think Mastercoin is a scam."
benkay: wth is an open transaction?
benkay: wait no dogecoin alone is the truth
benkay: bitcoin alone is the truth. all else is transient scammery.
benkay: everything is a scam
benkay: who can ever tell
benkay: might be an example
benkay: having a nonesensical coin is great because it weeds out everyone who might have a clue from the scam pool
benkay: from part 2
benkay: "Thus, a Russian is less likely to consider sudden descent into pverty as a fall from God's grace, and economic collapse as God's punishment upon the people, while the religions that dominate America - Protestentatism, Judaism, Islam - all feature temporal success of their followers as a key piece of evidence that god is well-disposed to them."
benkay: i'm interested in the notion of cheating as a prerequisite for success, and how most americans don't get this. gotta be a part of the socialist thought repression...
benkay: lazy romanians
benkay: you're not just cribbing from IRC but your own past posts as well
benkay: mircea_popescu: have you seen "the counselor"?
benkay: real world moves slowly. us ain't gonna collapse day after bitcoin arrives.
benkay: might just get my -otc auth down to a minute from a cold start
benkay: i'll just shelve my desire for the No Such lAbs stream computation lisp machine for now.
benkay: wait u guise come back that was the most educational thing in -assets all week
benkay: fuuuuuuuuuuuck.
benkay: !b4
benkay: truffles tell me about body scan
benkay: just for you baby
benkay: he will when he does
benkay: fuck bitches, get bitcoin. daytrading's for shitheels who can't promote bitcoin into their wallets by driving back the forces of entropy.
benkay: it always to the moon
benkay: it always crashes
benkay: it always does
benkay: ridiculous and yet holding flat
benkay: ah, bitcoin-central. nevermind.
benkay: davout: what are the delivery venues for X.EUR?
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
benkay: ;;calc ((500 - 400) / 400) - 0.0044804
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
benkay: trade interface all the things
benkay: s3 as trade interface
benkay: oh you
benkay: seems like none are up
benkay: $proxies
benkay: real destination infinite
benkay: such outer reaches of cosmos
benkay: nanotube's an nsa stooge.
benkay: ;;duckduckgo foo
benkay: $depth S.NSA
benkay: man google hates trilema
benkay: ;;google the many ways mpex
benkay: ;;ud narpalt
benkay: nice
benkay: those crazy chinese http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-okcoin-accused-faking-trading-data/
benkay: good night sir
benkay: next computer my company actually buys me is a well-designed thing whose default ctags implementation doesn't recurse
benkay: next computer i get excited about comes from the asciilifeform labs
benkay: but BingoBoingo wouldn't you like your platform to support true parallelized operation eh eh eh?
benkay: there are lisps for every platform these days
benkay: point being: oop has layers and layers of absurd needless complexity.
benkay: it's typically obvious after 2 weeks when they can't.
benkay: "can you fp? okay. you've got 3 months to demonstrate competence."
benkay: consider it a shit test for dev ability
benkay: exercise for the reader and all that
benkay: it's a metaphor
benkay: eh
benkay: probably never will be, relationship of comms overhead to number of devs on team being what it is.
benkay: panacea to the BigCorp software dev problem
benkay: it's not a panacea
benkay: all fp does is urge you at a language level to do something sane with your state.
benkay: the b
benkay: fiat500: OOP leads the programmer to encapsulate state in the most insane places possible.
benkay: fiat500: there are exceptions.
benkay: given the same inputs you'd have a tough time convincing me there's a good reason not to...
benkay: vs understanding that functions take input arguments and return values
benkay: nah
benkay: but to really understand what's happening they need to understand the class that they're subclassing, what the hell subclassing is, how instances of classes get new-ed the fuck up, all this absurd cognitive overhead
benkay: the OOP dream of the nineties is alive in Py-thon...Py-thon!
benkay: when someone sits down to hammer out some OOP, they look at the code surrounding what they need to write, and they copy out stuff that looks like what they've seen and it just works.
benkay: well to return to the topic of my rant
benkay: yeah that's great
benkay: this is a pretty common implementation of data structures, right?
benkay: oh god
benkay: hopefully ones fundamental data structures aren't evolving too quickly
benkay: in my world, functions take arguments and return values.
benkay: i come at this all from a weird non cs perspective, so i'm sure a lot of the conclusions that i've come to are completely bogus.
benkay: that operate on a wide variety of data structures
benkay: in a library of functions
benkay: i'm fresh out of a code retreat with some humans who really grok oop and yet failed to put together class hierarchies to implement the game of life in 45 minutes.
benkay: do forgive me
benkay: a string has a .split method? give me a break!
benkay: how do I teach someone what the ever loving fuck is going on in a Django project?
benkay: but what about the insane method inheritance?
benkay: i lean towards the monadic approach these days.
benkay: mrh
benkay: but all of these layers of abstraction get in between problems and people who can fix them.
benkay: problem is everyone wants to make tools that make computing 'simpler' 'easier' 'more understandable'
benkay: ya well, brain surgery lasers are great in the hands of brain surgeons
benkay: of course they have dev teams > 10
benkay: yeah i just can't accept FB as an example of a mature and sustained development environment delivering business value.
benkay: the pathological case being the .NET Mort.
benkay: first, OOP is designed to get people hammering keyboards as quickly as possible, which is orthogonal to teaching humans how computers actually work.
benkay: there's a whole stack of shit that bothers me about OOP
benkay: so you tell me if that's a mature dev environment.
benkay: ya and their deploy strategy is also "compile php to c and torrent it around the internal network"
benkay: doesn't understand nonlinear comms overhead.
benkay: has mgmt that thinks that sw dev teams of greater than 10 members are an acceptable idea.
benkay: heh
benkay: sounds like you're assuming BigCorp can select even an approximately appropriate tool for a job.
benkay: this is a highly contextual conversation between BingoBoingo and myself, albeit in a public domain.
benkay: but!
benkay: neither. i don't quite understand your comment about wheres and whys, tho.
benkay: do go on
benkay: in large corporations where they hire labor.
benkay: it has its place
benkay: once you get into the class-based systems (which Python libraries inevitably drive you to), Python is just Java lacking a few particular flakes of shit.
benkay: but i gather that you don't actually need to be scripting python, and the cleaner the break with whatever your past is (Java especially), the easier of a time you're going to have wrapping your head around the functional approach.
benkay: obviously, i don't know anything about anything and my 'advice' on programming matters should be regarded as highly suspect
benkay: BingoBoingo: i strongly recommend you not fill your cup with those idiocies. there is a strong push towards things that are easy, but taking the easy route now sets you up for a whole shitton of unnecessary unlearning later.
benkay: you wouldn't go learn to do things the wrong way just to hear your sensei tell you to pour out two years of practice, would you?
benkay: hm