mircea_popescu: then how does it climb 4 miles ?
mircea_popescu: then why's it buoy ?
mircea_popescu: Stw defines weight of the entire thing
benkay: also if internal pressure = external pressure are hoop stresses really significant? don;t they only have to resist osmotic leaking through membrane?
mircea_popescu: the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth
benkay: emerging nearly tangent to the surface
benkay: 2 companies that may fall over dead within the next 5 years whose technologies should not be let rust
mircea_popescu: the subs care, deeply.
benkay: hey mircea_popescu are you familiar with the skylon dudes?
mircea_popescu: because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in the depths...
mircea_popescu: nono, these never run amok.
mircea_popescu: it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish
benkay: (but for the record robotic does not exclude manned)
mircea_popescu: a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available.
mircea_popescu: you missed the robot part ?
benkay: manned submersibles? how are manned submersibles not the worst engineering decision you could make?
mircea_popescu: careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy.
mircea_popescu: benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery.
benkay: I MEAN SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less.
benkay: i stand up and talk about esoteric shit for twenty minutes, go talk to these dudes, they buy me drinks all night and tell me war stories about breaking relatives out of the shah's basement gaeol
benkay: dev: "oh these guys have some boring business that makes money"
benkay: i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm around 'business model and shit'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543
benkay: those with mastery of toolchains that enable productivity will help those with capital multiply it and everyone else will serve as labor in the oop salt mines?
mircea_popescu: kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare.
mircea_popescu: cause you know, in geek space the dev is god.
benkay: i actually may have hammered into the heads of some folks that maybe the 'dev team' is a joke
benkay: at the bar on the tab of some poor company with a business model and shit trying to recruit developers and whatnot
benkay: i thought you got out of the consulting game!
mircea_popescu: if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if i were the only one.
benkay: and also have you actually run the numbers on post timing?!
mircea_popescu: an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using.
benkay: or some subset thereof.
benkay: plus these logs are a thing for posterity
mircea_popescu: i can attack both with the same math.
mircea_popescu: basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous.
mircea_popescu: i start sifting the data and spot patters
mircea_popescu: no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it.
benkay: there are shortcuts
mircea_popescu: they don't have ai that good.
benkay: perhaps consider that the forum planting may be highly automated
mircea_popescu: benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head.
benkay: pathologies of the welfare state?
mircea_popescu: so i have no idea what gives in there.
mircea_popescu: and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm
mircea_popescu: coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points.
mircea_popescu: the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin,
benkay: a fuck it has an e these days
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive.
mircea_popescu: really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/
mircea_popescu: and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ?
mircea_popescu: you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ?
mircea_popescu: basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations.
copumpkin: benkay: the rest of you is fair game?
mircea_popescu: the music rich people listen to.
mircea_popescu: he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives
mircea_popescu: say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like.
mircea_popescu: every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ?
mircea_popescu: guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent.
mircea_popescu: "This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 <mircea_popescu>may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too."
jurov: ..in charge of growing the business for MtGox by initiating parnerships
Apocalyptic: also nubbins` seemed to be sure the first leaked document was fake, this proves otherwise
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, i wasn't aware of the "Mandalah Consulting" part
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there.
ozbot: The Two-Bit Idiot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful,
the20year1: he's already on the block for supporting gun control in west virgina
ThickAsThieves: lol there's a Dota 2 official fantasy league now
the20year1: I was involved in a decently sized digital currency long before bitcoin, and the IRS just told them to issue 1099c to everyone who participated, the barter clause has been around for 50+ years
decimation: that's where the 'land of the free' is today - waiting for government employees to issue instructions
the20year1: Either they'll treat it like cash, make coinbase/kraken issue 1099Ks or make bitcoiners issue 1099c
decimation: supposedly they are going to issue guidance at some point
ThickAsThieves: better to just call it some other type of broader income
ThickAsThieves: i suspect the word bitcoin in your taxes will put you on some list
ThickAsThieves: IRS would have any easier time if they adopted bitcoin really
decimation: until there are real laws on the books it's going to be hard to prosecute bitcoin transactions for tax evasion
ThickAsThieves: then spend any real work pursuing Google and Apple
ThickAsThieves: more likely they sum up the amount of eligible tax deductions unclaimed against likely total of fraud and make sure they are still on winning side and call it a day
decimation: only the unlucky will be culled
ThickAsThieves: the work is unfathomable
ThickAsThieves: the trick about taxation is a personally believe the IRS' grip on auditing to be a myth
decimation: As to asciilifeform's point about outbidding the fiat printers, I think that's quite possible in an environment where bitcoin is melting up
decimation: I agree with TAT, I think the USG is too weak to actually ban bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: i do not expect the US to ban it at all
ThickAsThieves: not sure the relation you mean here
ThickAsThieves: I believe merchant adoption is just a malformed precursor to the 100% Pure Bitcoin Closed Loop Movement
diametric: lol.. so latest story going around is MtGox's cold storage failed. As in they can't get the private keys to work properly..
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they can change oppinion as quick as Sen Schumer
twizt: ie. there never was osama
mike_c: depends what you want. if all you want is for them to send a letter, it's cheap.
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they are able to push this "money laundering" talk based on nothing
ThickAsThieves: i just have real difficulty imagining the USG's ability and story of how it may ban crypto
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd // he has a point
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd
ThickAsThieves: i know you dont like them, but i'd love to donate to your campaign
ThickAsThieves: we can just buy off all the politicians if we need to
duduqa: and once we enter another bubble, a lot more people will put money into bitcoin
asciilifeform: invent the parachute before, not after, being thrown.
asciilifeform: i'll repeat what i've said in the past:
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: the power of issuing global's reserve currency is enormous
diametric: duduqa: i think you'd be surprised the number of people that pirate content.
ThickAsThieves: and what do they do about people already "in" bitcoin, yknow it doesnt require cashing out to use
asciilifeform: 'wisdom is - getting on the train one day before everybody else.' (attributed to leo szilard)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if you're able to leave now, but are waiting for the ban... what are you smoking.
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> just the useful people // yeah as mircea said
ThickAsThieves: i know it would be the last straw for me
ThickAsThieves: just the useful people
ThickAsThieves: furthermore, i believe hostility towards such innovation truly will lead to exodus
duduqa: asciilifeform: I never played poker, so I was not aware of the tremendous resources usg spent fighting against it
asciilifeform: the way bans normally work in the u.s. (and elsewhere) is that the infrastructure needed for a proper ban is created under the pretext of 'humane' and 'reasonable' regulation
duduqa: asciilifeform: the question i ask is "would the adoption from small places such as cyprus, or Honduras ZEDEs, or African regions be enough to bring such wealth and power to overcome bitcoin's adversaries?"
duduqa: asciilifeform: I see them everyday, and it drives me pretty depressed
duduqa: asciilifeform: yep, the "it's ridiculous" argument doesn't stand in such discussion
asciilifeform: (check with lawyer for the current magic number.)
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: on the contrary, usg can ban whatever it likes. for instance, it is a serious crime in the u.s. to go to a bank and withdraw $2999.99.
duduqa: asciilifeform: I can also imagine a scenario in which such firewall happens to take place in the EU, China, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Russia, UAE, South America etc
kakobrekla: duduqa , somewhat relevant http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/
duduqa: asciilifeform: we are talking about a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge power, which is being the printer of the world's reserve currency
duduqa: asciilifeform: do you envision the possibility of bitpay and coinbase being shut down, as well as second market's BIT, bitcointalk and localbitcoins.com etc vanishing from america?
ozbot: Other Devices:JXD S7800B - Dingoonity Wiki
asciilifeform: no one knows which politician will stand on what kind of tank and proclaim 'the former u.s.a...' but we've all seen this play before.
asciilifeform: duduqa: generations!? usg is going the way of ck-kpss within the lives of those now living.
duduqa: given the different dynamics of drugs and currency
duduqa: basically what would be your expectations of the consequences of a formal US government (declaraton of) ban of bitcoin. Even as noob as I was, I do not fear stuff as ~bitcoin will die~
duduqa: It seems here's a better place to do so rather than reddit or bitcointalk
asciilifeform: from the dark depths of the lulz mines: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/02/26/boeing_black/
mircea_popescu: lol he finally got through the trilema posts ?
benkay: well with who else would they be acting?
Bugpowder: I now have all of the pieces to the #mtgox puzzle. Mt. Gox acted alone and in desperation. Comprehensive post after I lawyer up.
mircea_popescu: back then it plugged into a XT
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics"
asciilifeform: seems like everyone with at least a minimally non-braindamaged language grows up convinced of this re: the language
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them
mircea_popescu: on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s
mircea_popescu: amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard"
mircea_popescu: bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that.
kakobrekla: i have seen them with my own eyes and ears.
mircea_popescu: they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh.
asciilifeform: or 'Лучше когда русские тебе отключат газ, чем немцы – пустят.' (better when the russians turn off your gas, then when germans open up the gas.'
Bugpowder: On the plane back to LA
mircea_popescu: when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder gotta play the entire book.
mircea_popescu: "Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH"
MisterE: seems the market has already shrugged off and forgotten Mt.Cox
mircea_popescu: Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players
ThickAsThieves: shit i forgot to get Bitcoin in there
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man.
mircea_popescu: was less than the shit i wore.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS
ThickAsThieves: take them suits down a notch
ThickAsThieves: i'm cool with either
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms,
ThickAsThieves: theyll have no choice
ThickAsThieves: i hope they have troll spray
ThickAsThieves: senators will know the wrath of reddit like never before
ThickAsThieves: i like how bitcoin might be the first thing since Bill Clinton to get people under 35 to care about politics again
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're new.
mircea_popescu: then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me
ThickAsThieves: "Is Mark Karpeles buying goxcoin on bitcoinbuilder?? Huge discount could revive Mt.Gox. 50k sold in the last 3 days....hmmm"
mircea_popescu: in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife.
asciilifeform: i know a fellow who went, and saw the famous airplane
mircea_popescu: and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007
mircea_popescu: the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. is it still worth going to after the great clobbering?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now that you mention it, what's your official take on the serbs ?
mircea_popescu: i hope i covered them all.
mircea_popescu: the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers.
wao-ender: I just found great place to organise finest Bitcoin *meetup* https://www.facebook.com/352009638172552/photos/pb.352009638172552.-2207520000.1393457939./381744045199111/?type=3&theater
mircea_popescu: im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter
TomServo: asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable
asciilifeform: everyone remembers that ancient sf story where the 'last man alive' find food and a library, and then his glasses break?
ThickAsThieves: but i dont wear thos eeither
mircea_popescu: women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses.
Vexual: lasers in the eye is never good tat
nubbins`: (fwiw, math can be studied as either)
nubbins`: so they tacked on an ending to it
nubbins`: centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections
nubbins`: “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing.
nubbins`: mark is chronologically the first gospel
nubbins`: okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about
nubbins`: yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions
mircea_popescu: "can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues"
mircea_popescu: well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate.
ThickAsThieves: ah the placement of only is what;s confusing
ThickAsThieves: it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce
mircea_popescu: "The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight."
nubbins`: (do they?)
mike_c: how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope?
ThickAsThieves: my question would be, why is there a merchant copy
ThickAsThieves: like half the pics really lol
ThickAsThieves: some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there
nubbins`: "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."
nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said
nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the ` is silly anyway
mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..
nubbins`: this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO
mike_c: there are 100m units of hif
mike_c: hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money?
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something
nubbins`: so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post?
mircea_popescu: i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god