dignork: asciilifeform what would be the excuse for confiscation? lack of certifications?
asciilifeform: just as soviet pdp-11s would've been, if anyone had wanted them.
asciilifeform: if you try to bring a crate of these to u.s., germany, etc. it will be confiscated at customs.
asciilifeform: it isn't so much that it uses 'too many' pirated bits, but the price point per se
asciilifeform: now, the very educational question of why you cannot easily buy this phone in u.s.
asciilifeform: i haven't the exact figures, but the actual (physical) unit cost for most ICs is very small.
ozbot: The $12 Gongkai Phone « bunnie's blog
BingoBoingo: decimation: He probably isn't wrong. People need to see the retard spewing from ##mtgox-statement
decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. It's sad that the early history of bitcoin occulted by such villainy.
BingoBoingo: the20year: April 2013
BingoBoingo: decimation: For a couple of weeks that was allowable, but only as a "most charitable reading which would still leave them insolvent"
asciilifeform: imho, MP's version is the most plausible one so far.
decimation: well, do we believe the 'we forgot to check if the transactions were actually valid' yarn?
BingoBoingo: Herp and Derp have to lose their coin somehow.
BingoBoingo: I've seen Ghostbusters, the Keymaster always does alright. Even if herp and derp don't
asciilifeform: why would anyone believe the 'lost key' yarn
asciilifeform: 1) open bank 2) 'lose' deposit boxes full of gold 'in the sea' 3) ??? 4) profit
decimation: so you buy the 'lost key' story
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: the fact that the bits on a disk belong to the fellow with the keys to the room is somehow lost on them.
asciilifeform: decimation: what kind of fool would believe... << quite a few people. ask them, not me.
decimation: Part 2 has the Hallelujah chorus right?
decimation: ascii what kind of fool would believe they have any security when someone else controls the hardware?
MisterE: the font page is down but internal links still work
BingoBoingo: Anyone in this channel remember the user midnightmagic ???
the20year: I know it doesn't make a difference to any of you, but I managed to come up with a mobile lighting solution for doing video inside the dumps we're buying
asciilifeform: the site itself isn't very informative...
asciilifeform: what the hell is circle.com
BingoBoingo: This is the internet, everything is messy
diametric: and then Circle.com got one too
diametric: and that he tried to slip that message in the IRC interview by posting a 9gag image and specifically mentioning 9gag when he linked the url
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not in ##mtgox-statement either
diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order
asciilifeform: diametric: is there a public log?
diametric: especially the guy that dropped like $5k on goxbtc through bb
BingoBoingo: So ##mtgox-statement is a lulzy channel of the moment
asciilifeform: (the 'what' is obvious to an alert reader. the 'how' is the subject of the linked piece.)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I prefer my Saturn. I just thing the diving suit would be fun.
BingoBoingo: I think I found something much more fun to spend BTC on than a Lambo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/the-exosuit-a-wearable-submarine-for-visiting-deep-water/
Chris_Sabian: i found a solution to the stcuk transcation in bitcoinqt : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483564.msg5328360#msg5328360
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: They might exist? I dunno of any communications from TF this year. Maybe moiety would have some information?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the multiwallets are coming out of the woodwork... https://github.com/coinpunk/kongbucks
kakobrekla: hey but the clock amount is still low!
greenspan_fan: check the username
greenspan_fan: in gratitude for this interesting discussion, I've decided to spread your fame to the r/bitcoin subreddit
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu but I'm cutting the knot knowing that it's not the complete solution, but at some point you just have to do things
dexX7: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1z2xo5/speculation_the_us_government_has_control_of_goxs/ this one is interesting. especially the "hints" like the "9gag"
greenspan_fan: I think they're slanted? that's what my dad said
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how to they fuck without vaginas ?
greenspan_fan: it seems to me that you're implicitly truncating the process of trying to evaluate the world
nubbins`: there's no F or V in korean
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i going to do here.
mircea_popescu: well... that'd be them being a man.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know how mothers tend to end coversations with "because i say so, that's why!" ?
nubbins`: it's one of, if not the only, starbucks in the world that doesn't have "STARBUCKS COFFEE" written on the outside
greenspan_fan: but it was the only one I could find
greenspan_fan: but "being a man" is totally begging the question
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: cypherc you know you're like the 5th with that link
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan it just reduces to yet another faced of your rationality dilemma.
greenspan_fan: then this reduces to some sort of weird pascal's wager like scenario
mircea_popescu: mebbe you presume a little there :)
greenspan_fan: it's worth more than everything in the world, yet by symmetry any transaction's balanced out by whatever you're paying me not to kill you
greenspan_fan: I'm from the NSA man, you can't touch me
mircea_popescu: lol, now there's some revolutionizng and disrupting in a tang package
mircea_popescu: i never heard the dead complain.
mircea_popescu: but other than that... what difference does it make ?
mircea_popescu: not out of anything than the holy "if you give this nimrod 1500 i'll kill him on general principle"
mircea_popescu: i suppose to some degree, at the level of a challenge, as in, some schmuck pulls a gun and i blow his head off
mircea_popescu: so you should stop dieing then.
mircea_popescu: you should also clean out your room, and the fridge, and eat healthier
greenspan_fan: this reasoning includes a sort of meta-level reasoning about whether or not the stock selection process is likely to be correct
greenspan_fan: but to go back to the example of S.LAUGHING
mircea_popescu: or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence
greenspan_fan: I realize I have a typo in the above: "process might be IMperfect" **
mircea_popescu: either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it
mircea_popescu: it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego.
greenspan_fan: plz stop w/ the mom references, you're bumming me out
mircea_popescu: or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all.
mircea_popescu: well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects
greenspan_fan: We treat the world around us are being "real" because perhaps it is
greenspan_fan: the argument was, I think, that even if he were a brain in a vat (or being tortured by demons, whatever), he could still claim to exist
mircea_popescu: these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip
mircea_popescu: the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said.
greenspan_fan: but at some point it gets back to a sort of cogito ergo sum being the only axiom you can trust
greenspan_fan: no, there's a bit of meta-modelling here
asciilifeform: (there was a great robert sheckley story about folks who were paid to be knocked out and put on a nosediving plane, sinking ship, etc. and filmed as they try to wiggle their way out of odd situations)
greenspan_fan: just that since 100% certainty is provably impossible, there's a point at which acting according to my understanding of the scenario is better then not
mircea_popescu: your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense.
mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class
mircea_popescu: you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you,
greenspan_fan: which might be the "feeling" you're talking about?
mircea_popescu: right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu yes, but I'm reasoning based on the assumption that my process might be perfect
mircea_popescu: Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu needs to be attracted to the stock
greenspan_fan: then I should buy it
mircea_popescu: you verify this theory until you're bored.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock.
greenspan_fan: but if I make predictions based on similar lines of reasoning, then the meta-level model is tested
mircea_popescu: and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity.
mircea_popescu: so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination.
greenspan_fan: insofar as I can't sample all possible histories after the fact
mircea_popescu: you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ?
greenspan_fan: for instance, I predict altcoin is more likely to succeed than other, uh, altcoins because it does things "better" than others and is backed by people who are credible and talented
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu saw the symptoms and made a diagnosis
greenspan_fan: then your prediction was based on matching a pattern of red flags which have historically had certain outcomes
mircea_popescu: well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas.
thestringpuller: and the self trading account
thestringpuller: you made the claim of MtGox operating on fractional reserve awhile back...
mircea_popescu: that was... the 14th
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mtgox-and-ancient-bitcoin-history-the-straight-dope/#comment-98083
mircea_popescu: "Im sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?"
mircea_popescu: "Any actual evidence that they have this magic unlimited selftrading account? Im sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.."
mircea_popescu: and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete,
greenspan_fan: wasn't that the basis of your predicting mt gox's failure, though?
mircea_popescu: which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams
mircea_popescu: and retrospectively, the "correct prediction"
mircea_popescu: some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history
mircea_popescu: sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak.
mircea_popescu: kind-of besides the point.
greenspan_fan: and so my reading of TLP allows me to make predictions, which are tested by observing the outcome of events
mircea_popescu: this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ?
greenspan_fan: I am not sure how you can live if you don't try to understand the world around you
mircea_popescu: you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is.
greenspan_fan: but at some point we have to make an approximation because otherwise it's impossible to act
mircea_popescu: you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law
mircea_popescu: all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself.
greenspan_fan: then causes and reasons can meet?
greenspan_fan: But if I say "she fucked me because she loved me", and proceed to test that hypothesis, do I not either increase or decrease my confidence in it?
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu I don't really understand that, though. Are you saying that human decisions are too complicated to analyze after the fact?
mircea_popescu: there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations.
mircea_popescu: is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect.
mircea_popescu: right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method
mircea_popescu: but these are reasons.
wbaw: there have been longer lived empires
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ?
greenspan_fan: that's like 20 years of reshaping europe right there
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind.
greenspan_fan: yet you seem to draw the same conclusions that it does
greenspan_fan: the people with the most influence are either those w/ the most resources themselves, or those who can mobilize the resources of lots of other people
greenspan_fan: but that can be biased (and occasionally is) by the people around them; those they look up to, those they get paid by, people on the news, etc.
mircea_popescu: see how the brick sinks ?"
mircea_popescu: "suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: well so then ?!
greenspan_fan: obviously people have their own directions and goals etc.
mircea_popescu: for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going,
mircea_popescu: the entire view is broken.
mircea_popescu: sure, but a different "there"
greenspan_fan: the matrices, as a form of description
mircea_popescu: who they
mircea_popescu: in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit.
mircea_popescu: but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe.
greenspan_fan: how many revolutions were launched because 1000 people agreed with the analysis of someone else?
greenspan_fan: like presumably you're able to gauge the relative strengths and weaknesses of the people who work for you, right?
greenspan_fan: just saying that if you have 1000 average people who listen to you, but no money, you'd still be able to run a business or take over a small county with them
mircea_popescu: if no agency, then no efficiency.
mircea_popescu: are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ?
greenspan_fan: they can be put to different efforts
mircea_popescu: that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal.
mircea_popescu: the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ?
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu because if the self-appointed "bitcoin community" listens to you (even if they're on average <0.1 btc holders) then you might either get lucky and a) influence someone who actually matters or b) the huddled masses still might add up to something
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu well the very top opinion leaders have *some* power, but the average is in that 98%
greenspan_fan: the writing style's too consistent
greenspan_fan: so for instance in bitcoin (and other currency) you can look to r/bitcoin for a community that is generally really homogeneous and has strong beliefs one way or the other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may be the case.
greenspan_fan: you can either have the most money or you can have the loudest megaphone, but if you don't have one one of those then it doesn't matter what you think
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr handle and some others insist that TLP is a woman.
greenspan_fan: "you are the 98%, and you are too slow"
mircea_popescu: You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave.
mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
greenspan_fan: "So I decided to try again, I told myself that there was going to be porn at the end of it, took off my pants, and watched. No, I didn't go back to the theatre; fortunately, the major studios have joined together and created a website called "The Pirate Bay" which allows you to watch a movie for free before you decide if you want to buy it from Amazon for 4 bucks"
greenspan_fan: on the off chance you haven't read those particular ones
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: District 9
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: My name is NotMichaelBay, and I just fucked your girlfriend
mircea_popescu: "The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. "
greenspan_fan: like, everyone here is more or less interested (and able to understand) all of the great stuff in the world
mircea_popescu: people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's
mircea_popescu: the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if you apply the principle described above, the u.s. economy is far more 'sovietized' than the soviet one ever was
mircea_popescu: course with or without that the system's movin' that way
mircea_popescu: e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid.
mircea_popescu: The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th
mircea_popescu: I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it
greenspan_fan: looks like pympex is open source? It's on github, if that's the right one
mircea_popescu: it never saw the inside of a git
mircea_popescu: lol the later festival.
jurov: maybe they have high sekurity and it's not allowed
ThickAsThieves: the commands i normally use work fine
jurov: note the quotes, wont work without
ThickAsThieves: normally the syntax is such
mircea_popescu: actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s
mircea_popescu: "One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? "
nubbins`: phun phact: DXM is just as effective in pill form as it is in syrup form, and pills don't taste like goat anus; syrups are popular because people feel that having their throat coated with the shit means it works better
ThickAsThieves: i just realized something awesome, next week i will never have to read the Asicminer threads again
mircea_popescu: Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They arent meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because youll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interesting 'cattle management' perspective there.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt)