nubbins`: because CT isn't as brave as they'd like to be
nubbins`: the quintessential canadian scrip
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nubbins`: the opposite, even
mircea_popescu: o wait you're the atc hater
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ThickAsThieves: something about "warns Russia" bothers me... this isn't a 3rd world country he's warning
cazalla: first time creating a bet, why does the bet list me as having bet twice for a larger amount?
ozbot: No, it’s not the revenue. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: http://trilema.com/2014/no-its-not-the-revenue/ << we're about to find out.
BingoBoingo: Let us all cook pasta noodles in a pressure cooker for 7 minutes, there must be NO better way to make glue!!!
decimation: more evidence of the surrender of original thinking to academic bureaucracy
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asciilifeform: the original author of scheme
decimation: yeah I saw that, but presumably before that someone decided scheme was the way to go
asciilifeform: they ditched it
asciilifeform: incidentally, the original mit lisp machine sources / schematics are bsd-licensed now.
asciilifeform: the $5k circa 2010 - that's my old employer.
asciilifeform: here's the real dirt
decimation: well, what about the idiot's probate?
asciilifeform: the idiot who snapped it up at bankruptcy auction died a while ago
asciilifeform: probate court did (at the time)
asciilifeform: he doesn't own the company
asciilifeform: you'll need it for the sources.
asciilifeform: that's the unofficial linux port
asciilifeform: the last man of symbolics corp.
asciilifeform: there we go
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asciilifeform: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp
decimation: okay I might to some dumpster-diving to find the thing
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asciilifeform: decimation: the only one that even begins to work is the one by symbolics shortly before it croaked
decimation: the symbolics machine
asciilifeform: decimation: there's 1 major emulator for each major species
BingoBoingo: And once I care enough to fix the SE/30 it will be a thing again
nubbins`: the second one, in this case
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Why. The SE/30 is dead, but I still have a flock of MacClassics
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it can still be a thing at your house. grab the emulator + tarball from my site & have fun.
asciilifeform: i think in the animated version he gets to fuck
asciilifeform: (mole in the city)
asciilifeform: decimation: i had the book!
nubbins`: when rice visited bolivia, they gave her a guitar with a coca leaf lacquered onto it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well consider that the payload necessary to neutralize a GPS satellite can probably be measured in a single digit number of grams. Even many "tactical" missiles if stripped for the locker room could prolly do the job.
asciilifeform: this advice is for the rest of us.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: people who can afford to plug a satellite tend not to get 'democratized' in the first place
asciilifeform: don't be dumb like the iraqi army
moiety: <mircea_popescu> "work in pairs to protect each other"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck happens if it steps in gum
mircea_popescu: andthey're going to somehow make a 100kg self moving robot
nubbins`: Crime has a $1 trillion impact on the American economy, according to Santana Li. “If we can show that we can literally cut that in half, we’re going to have every mayor in the country calling us,” he says.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more's the point... they can't make supermarket carts with working wheels
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember the Russia-Georgia conflict... GPS can go dark
decimation: yeah they are going to end up in a chop shop in the ghetto within 10 minutes of operation
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine how they figure this thing has a fucking chance.
asciilifeform: link 2 bots via spread-spectrum whatever, if one thinks he suddenly 'flew' somewhere, and the other says 'no'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the builder had half a brain, it's a countermeasure re: gps 'meaconing'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In a twist confounding most authors of robot oppressor scifi the boards with critical operational components in the bots are varied from unit to unit.
mircea_popescu: "work in pairs to protect each other"
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mircea_popescu: talk about bitcoin-mediated disruption of the electroal system
nubbins`: <moiety> not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter <<< "No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of."
decimation: of course the leftists are having a fit because this particular WoT ignores thier votes
mircea_popescu: and the thing is going down in flames faster than people can ditch it.
mircea_popescu: the irony here being that an industry;s stability can be best measured by the wot divergence (well really, by wot graph isolation)
decimation: shockingly thousands of beta engineers are willing to accept what they are given
asciilifeform: 'wage theft' ?
decimation: "Bill Campbell (Chairman of Intuit Board of Directors, Co-Lead Director of Apple, and advisor to Google) was also involved in the Google-Intel agreement, as reflected in an email exchange from 2006 in which Bill Campbell agreed with Jonathan Rosenberg (Google Advisor to the Office of CEO and former Senior Vice President of Product Management) that Google should call [Intel CEO] Paul Otellini before making an offer to an Intel employee,
decimation: I think this has been linked before: http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celebrated-ceos-conspired-to-drive-down-100000-tech-engineers-wages/
asciilifeform: re: keybase.io - this was the idiocy that wants your private keys
mircea_popescu: and one of the best indications that this is actually the correct approach would be that the impotent-by-design feminist movement will readily recognise it as the ultimate evil.
mircea_popescu: but about 1bn dollars spent on "women in tech"-esque programs dedicated to highschooler girls would return about the same net value for the cause as about 600k spent on "fuck as many powerful people as you possibly can take, as well as you possibly can, starting today." programs for the same.
decimation: most effective female 'leaders' I have seen are school-marm types who know how to connect the right people and step away
mircea_popescu: it's the sluts that fuck different ceos.
mircea_popescu: it's not the unshaven idiots blathering on tv about "Rights" and other stuff that do anything.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, most of the power women have in western society comes strictly from that bridging role.
mircea_popescu: huge market there.
BingoBoingo: Bonus, it pisses off the liberal arts majors because they can only translate wrong languages
decimation: it's surprising that the internet hasn't linked those WoTs...
decimation: well, each big corp has a WoT that generally consists of the CEO's drinking buddies
mircea_popescu: incidentally i suppose you've stumbled on a perfectly valid business model, the translators among WoTs will be tomorrow's lawyers.
mircea_popescu: decimation i suppose it's like with everything else, blow the website budget on css.
decimation: Oh no, they spend $$$ on facebook monitors
mircea_popescu: sadly, it's not within what they can afford intellectually.
mircea_popescu: it'd be certainly within what they can afford, financially
BingoBoingo: Eh, when people too young ask me for cigarettes I usually tell them I have cancer and ask them if they really want a cigarette.
decimation: he's seen the future and he wants in on bitcoin
decimation: it's the goldmoney guy
decimation: yeah http://www.goldmoney.com/company/press-releases/goldmoney-group-launches-new-bitcoin-focused-company-in-the-uk
mircea_popescu: decimation pounds and euro ? i already got a euro future and what are these pounds
BingoBoingo: Eh, seriously Russia being in Crimea is not interesting at all. The only interesting point is how long they can go without commiting regular forces to the endeavor.
decimation: mircea - these guys appear to be curating btc exchange data http://www.netagio.com/market-data
mircea_popescu: i suppose throw in the vulva too.
kakobrekla: dam kids breaking the logs again
mircea_popescu: and idiots aren't really assholes, they're just idiots.
mircea_popescu: i dun live there, so to me it's mostly funny
mircea_popescu: ed and what you want, and the media will always, relentlessly give you what you want. Do you know why you have such poor candidates every single election? Because you want them, you want someone you can easily judge for some sexual indiscretion or because they called latinos chicanos. "Well, that matters to us!" Then you got what you asked for.
mircea_popescu: "We need a third party!" Come on, do you think the media will allow you to have a third party? John Anderson, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader-- they let them through to "show" third party candidates aren't any more serious than Howard Stern when he ran for governor. Poor Ron Paul pulls in more people than porn but he can't get a break, sorry buddy, 100 years too late for your kind. There's a difference between what you ne
mircea_popescu: they sound exactly like bitcoin people.
nubbins`: "Astakhov said the people in the planes refused to identify themselves and waved off customs officials, saying they didn't require their services."
KRS-One: i did both for a while..they both sucked.
KRS-One: gets so hot on the roof tops you can get burned by just picking up your hammer on the metal side
nubbins`: popular for the row houses here, most of which have flat roofs
KRS-One: i've heard horror stories where roofers fell off and into the hot kettle of tar
KRS-One: thats the best type of roof to have..many commercial buildings have that
nubbins`: prolly the same thing you're thinking of
nubbins`: they use a flamethrower to melt coal tar all over it
BingoBoingo: Maybe I should get the next roof done in pitchblend!!!
nubbins`: the top of my roof is tar pitch
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or to many other places. The most recent local tornado didn't come within a mile, but other weird wind anamolies still had things impacting the roof in interestng ways
KRS-One: the BEST ROOF: flat deck (gravel)
KRS-One: thats what i have, wood shingle..cedar. Its one of the best you can get.
KRS-One: mircea_popescu: depending on the roof, the shingles arent what keeps the water out. main protection for a roof comes from the tar paper that covers the wood. shingles only keep the sun from runing the tar paper.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well detcord would make your house move somewhere else then
moiety: did you guys see the £150 house that gets rented out for milk?
nubbins`: my home is quaint, but only because of the lack of detcord and kitty litter
moiety: i think my roof might fall off. i saw slates outside on the ground
BingoBoingo: Well, the boring olf gasoline car mechanic that fixed the mess I made trying to fix that saturn made decent money for his time.
mircea_popescu: Since weve been sitting here on the phone, Ive seen three emails come in.
gesell1: mircea_popescu: there were $40m worth of BTC waiting on Gox on one reddit comment thread alone. that could create resources
mircea_popescu: gesell1 i think you grossly misrepresent the substance of the sort of clueless idiots that still; had btc on gox.
KRS-One: he is real dumb and needs me to get a roofing license (take exams and shit) said I can make $100K/yr without doing a thing just holding the license.
BingoBoingo: The feudalism end
KRS-One: nubbins` you aint kiddin..except he's the business owner
gesell1: i assumed/hoped that the class action litigation that gets the most attention from the community will wind up with the most resources to devote to getting possible results
nubbins`: that said, his body will be wrecked by the time he's 45
BingoBoingo: I really don't understand the point of retaining an unconnected lawyer
mircea_popescu: (they also represented the Blagojevich dood. also for free, also to no particular effect)
KRS-One: he does the easy shit and runs a crew
KRS-One: I have a friend who is a roofer who makes as much as an attorney and then some.
mircea_popescu: just explaining how the thing works.
gesell1: mircea_popescu: at the moment there appears to be only a few places to go. or only a few lawyers persuing the issue
mircea_popescu: judging by the school he went to, he's being supported by either generous parents or generous husband.
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mircea_popescu: and if he actually manages to get some dough from tibanne, all the better.
kakobrekla: so they are not really getting paid as you said but whoreing out
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the lawyer wants bitcoin fame. that's free to him, as he has no cases anyway.
nubbins`: they work for "free"
nubbins`: from the booty
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the way the legal profession works in the us is that sometimes lawyers take cases for free, when they figure the bread is buttered on the other side.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Around here most lawyers handling those sorts of complaints work on contingency, so they only get paid if they win
MisterE: oh, I doubt there will be anything of value left for creditors
gesell1: MisterE: no im just in the initial stages of contacting each and every collective that is gathering to sue
mircea_popescu: MisterE i'd be much surprised if the lawyer charges anything.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i blame ever for the apple.
gesell1: is there a problem if I pursue mtgox from 3 different lawyers at once?
copumpkin: MisterE: I hear it gets better with the latest 7.* update where you can disable effects
copumpkin: nubbins`: yeah yeah, but they don't let us downgrade, so oh well :)
MisterE: I look around me and everyone's face is buried in their phones I think its sad
copumpkin: I made the mistake of installing ios7
gesell1: BingoBoingo: the lawyer you linked too
BingoBoingo: gesell1: Who the hell is Jay?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mostly use it because it's full of derps of the "holier than thou" school of assholery.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Twitter's upside is that you can school someone in front of their internet friends and make their internet friends wonder why they associated in the first place.
copumpkin: I bet you're paying someone to type these messages right now, while someone else is giving you a rusty trombone
kakobrekla: goes to twitter to tell the world, "i dun use social meddia situes"
mircea_popescu: except i guess twitter but i don't really gas if x is y or not there
mircea_popescu: so basically what, they scrape social media sites for snippets signed by x sig ? a la gribble except spammier ?
copumpkin: I like the service
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I dunno, they're pretty, and seem to provide some nice identity linkage stuff that seems handy. Otherwise, not much point :)
mircea_popescu: copumpkin so why do i want to use them ?
copumpkin: ultimately, they're mostly a fancier keyserver
copumpkin: so they have a website that lets you link online profiles and a command-line tool that talks to the site and calls gpg
mircea_popescu: dude brandeis is where the mass governor's escorts go to school.
copumpkin: as far as I can tell, their goals are: 1) provide a standard mechanism to link online accounts in a crpytographically secure way that doesn't require trust of their servers 2) make gpg more user-friendly
mircea_popescu: "I graduated cum laude with a degree in philosophy from Brandeis University and received my J.D. from the University of Michigan Law School"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They used some javascript in the layout it seems. Works ok in the factory firefox install, not in the useful firefox install though
Azelphur: so no, then xD
mircea_popescu: or any other parity your favourite rng suggests.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: what's your opinion on the whole gox thing, think they'll get back up after a while? :P
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: will I get some sort of confirmation when the key is accepted?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i finally clicked your link. DO THESE ATTORNEYS EVEN LEAFT!
mircea_popescu: copumpkin clearly secure then :D
nubbins`: it's too bad they're called that in english, because it's kind of a rotten name for a food
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe they has ? tbh the dumbledore lawyer guy sort-of evokes jackie chiles for me.
nubbins`: i think i mentioned it at the time
nubbins`: i made refried beans for the first time last week
BingoBoingo: What is it with people trying to do anything in Illinois and not realizing you have to buy whatever jurisdiction you want to operate in, either outright or as a time-share
mircea_popescu: obviously, as you'd imagine, my view is that the world is split among the assholes that admit it and the assholes that don't.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm firmly in the "don't be an asshole" camp :)
mircea_popescu: "So, we dont have to worry about Japanese laws and how they apply."
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: where would you say you fall on the political spectrum?
mircea_popescu: talking about how it's a "natural extension of their practice" and whatnot
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still looking at the legal history of Illinois governors, being a n00b and being pissed about Gox because he was too good for warnings makes his Derping rather inconsequential in the history of embarassing things about Illinois
copumpkin: I want to encrypt my email to office but I can't find the key for it
copumpkin: I don't think I bought enough of it back then
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: office@polimedia? that's where the old one went
mircea_popescu: well technically you could extract some sort of email from gpg keys, but i never bothered to.
copumpkin: should I just email you the key again?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin mpex may be the only entity in bitcoin which has gone two years without sending a single greatly informative and muchly important email blast.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Really the point of Ukraine as of now isn't the end political outcome, as far as that bet is concerned. It's determining how overtly "Black Ops" can happen in a white people country before commandos have to have affiliations, because Geneva protocols and conventions and such.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I keep getting unrecognized signature even though I'm using the same key I used to sign up :(
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I though the Internet was strong enough people know electric boogaloo's are sequels.
moiety: BingoBoingo: you're right, you can prop up the bar
BingoBoingo: moiety: Honestly if you want to open a bar the best place to position your business in relation to me is one such that I am a customer.
moiety: omg i have it all planned out, we could totally do a bar. bingoboingo barman, asciilifeform doing the laser lights, nubbins` sorting pest control, bugpowder green flourescent protein glowsticks, benkay on music and mircea dancing girls!
BingoBoingo: I'm rather surprised http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ isn't getting more action yet as it focuses on the most important precedent this recent crimea lulz covers.
moiety: i thought it be ok because they were small things BingoBoingo btw there is people opening a dog cafe and a cat cafe in london. edinburgh seems to have none.....
BingoBoingo: moiety: I though we touched on that problem when you presented the plan. Stamping metal with a hammer is tiring work
nubbins`: somebody give me the elevator pitch on buttercoin.com
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah, much better than a decision where you have to stamp every product and in the process look like Rosie the Riveter. Being Bitcoin's source for Scottish shit sounds like something worth trying.
mircea_popescu: an' teh poofs are in the pudding
moiety: is it very bad? they have to assess rented flats every two years by law my letter says
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's quite a few other nastier diseases than lyme. Lyme just gets the press because pseudo-medicine makes better news.
moiety: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/entertainment_shaun_the_sheep/img/1.jpg
nubbins`: aside from, y'know, the elements.
nubbins`: there are actually relatively few things that can kill you here