mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ < this is the article about how bitcoin is bad for kids that i was looking for a while back
CheckDavid: What's the relation?
mircea_popescu: in the sense mtgox lost 850k yes
CheckDavid: It's in the bible
mircea_popescu: a no. apparently there's some moral hazard embodied in zuckerberg's sister
CheckDavid: The great Randi?
ThickAsThieves: As I read TLP, I don't get much sense of gender, but I haven't read it trying to scrape that out yet. Your theory is sound though, being that I never knew Randi existed before reading that.
ThickAsThieves: your own progeny is also interpreted as a way to live posthumously. The whole conversation can be starkly scientific, or frustatingly philosophical. intraductibillamawhatsit i guess.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> all i'm sayin' is that by your reasoning, the farmer shouldn't plow the field /// It's a lizard brain thing - the most innate thing we're here to do is reproduce, so i'd assume a man's desire to bare his own blood is not only natural, but reinforced by male social roles. Of course this is becoming quite distorted, as you point out about betas feigning alpha. Having
mircea_popescu: "The Napster controversy has taught us that you can't stop people who know more than you do."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: That's what happened to Myspace. It tipping pointed into "unemployed/some high school" and The Ruling Class had to sell it to Ima Holla Achoo for 20x less than they bought it. Now it looks like Windows Mobile, which is demographically appropriate.
cazalla: guess there are no JIDF here
mircea_popescu: and then he cheaped out on tx fees, so his tx was never confirmed in time
mircea_popescu: ie, the results were known
mircea_popescu: the thingwith snackman, as i recall it, is that he sent a wager on an already known bet
wao-ender: this is, ultra lulz headline, keys to the internet. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwide-internet-security-web
cazalla: i ripped that one off the gox one
dignork: this one looks like a good speculative bet http://bitbet.us/bet/770/btc-e-out-of-business-in-2014/ , but the total amount of bets makes it boring
mircea_popescu: kinda the miracle of bitbet : because peoplke generally are so bad at evaluating opportunity, it's a fucking gold mine.
mircea_popescu: there still aren't better opportunities available in btc as it is.
dignork: mircea_popescu i see, still the chances for saturation are too high for me :)
mircea_popescu: if you bet 1 btc at 100k weight, someone at 50k weight needs to bet 2 btc to get the same effects
mircea_popescu: dignork payout will be lower, but proportional with the weights involved.
dignork: mircea_popescu, ok so currently NO payout is ~1.4, if later it'd change to 1000 NO vs 100 yes, payout will be lower, or is it ficed at the moment of betting?
ozbot: BitBet - MtGox Bitcoin USD Exchange Rate >= $150 Before the End of April 2013
mircea_popescu: in spite of the pool being 3:50, nobody bet
mircea_popescu: take the recently closed mtgox 150 bet
dignork: mircea_popescu, yeah, but the problem is that if there will be too many NO bets return will be close to zero
cazalla: i just dislike waiting 9 month wait for the outcome on those bets
dignork calcualtes if betting against is worth the money
mircea_popescu: at this point, the EV of betting no on that is about 10x better than any fiat investment.
mircea_popescu: this shit's fucking incredible. btc is about 500ish, the odds of 10k (ie, 2k% increase) are viewed as 1:3
cazalla: i meant that i don't see the text mircea_popescu is responding to
dignork: yep, but we have like 120 years to fix it, till then there probably won't be any 32 or 64 bit processors anyway :)
mircea_popescu: whereas on others it means shift 64 bits)
dignork: mircea_popescu there is not much options to implement lshift, especially if you have such cpu opcode
mircea_popescu: dignork nah, it's a problem of how the compiler translates the code do machine and how the processor runs it then
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin wouldn't really display the behaviour, we'd just end up with a fork
cazalla: so difficult to argue it would've been the same
cazalla: depends on the student i would guess
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: but if they fix one bitcoin bug, hey, it was worth it. <<< mp is too lazy to dig up where he was arguing this about ltc
cazalla: that is to say my influence is beyond being able to send them to a good school
dignork: cazalla, if you have cash you can give them education, imho that's all the influence that you get
cazalla: see if i did have a daughter, she would be less likely to be the public rape slut mircea_popescu suggests by my being around and being a good role model opposed to not being there at all
mircea_popescu: and these aren't always poor. i've seen plenty of fucking impossible middle class people, murdering the kid under a mountain of attention
cazalla: to what extent who really knows but there is an impact
dignork: cazalla, there is SOME influence, sure, i'm not sure about majority
cazalla: there*
cazalla: whether he is straight as an arrow or flaming homosexual
cazalla: the shame!
cazalla: i wouldn't like it but that's the reality
cazalla: i guess it wouldn't matter as i wouldn't expect much from a daugther anyway
dignork: cazalla there are men-sluts as well
mircea_popescu: for that matter, plenty of women would rather be fat than good at pole dancing.
mircea_popescu: dignork i suspect a majority of men actually would enjoy their lives more as desexualised betas than play-pretend sexual alphas anyway.
dignork: but there is a subject in wikipedia: "Cuckoldry as a fetish", awesome!
cazalla: but i would wager when it comes to adoption, women are more inclined unless the man is infertile or has some strange cuckold fetish he wants to make real
mircea_popescu: anyway, women don't benefit from having kids, that's for sure. if anything it makes them dumb.
mircea_popescu: to get the lionesses in heat
dignork: mircea_popescu actually you do, you assume they'll support you when you old
punkman1: he just wants to harvest their organs
mircea_popescu: what's the benefit to you of making your own kids. not like you eat them later or anything.
cazalla: i don't see the benefit
mircea_popescu: well, the grown child.
cazalla: what benefit do i gain raising another child
cazalla: i think he should because he gains the benefit of his hard work
mircea_popescu: sure, he is. he's also picking up the crop.
mircea_popescu: if i make you wear a rock around your neck for the rest of your life, is it now your rock ?
cazalla: because they come from me
mircea_popescu: how are they "my" ?
cazalla: you fkc and i pick up the tab? no thanks
mircea_popescu: neither is yours.
mircea_popescu: are my slaves not mine because some other people toiled with them for their early years ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose black girls can cope with this entire "women as a cattle herd maintained by the state" with satellitary men fucking them from the edges, much like chimps live in the wild
wao-ender: mircea_popescu: there so many ways, like to adopt one
cazalla: i didn't want one either wao-ender
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves incidentally, that article is illustrative of why im pretty much convinced the last psych is a woman. her obsession with randi zu smacks me of she-envy.
wao-ender: let there be just w/ benefits.
chetty: nah its the wives who are praying ...
cazalla: 50 would actually be ideal as our son would be an adult by then
mircea_popescu: there you go. too young yet anyway.
cazalla: barely 30 so the night is young
mircea_popescu: well so then good for you.
cazalla: "if you want to be happy for the rest of your life"
mircea_popescu: smart women used coke back when they were girls.
mircea_popescu: but i suppose the correlation ain't that strong
mircea_popescu: generally older rich dudes don't bother with stupid girls, which is why it correlates with college
mircea_popescu: "Same transactions and everything. DO NOT DEPOSIT. Visit http://bitcapital.co/ for the legitimate ponzi." ahahaha this shit is epic.
cazalla: apparently she banged glen rice and did coke with him back in the day
cazalla: then again, once you go black, we don't want you back
mircea_popescu: "but you'll get free contraception! we can fuck all the time!"
cazalla: at the time of pay out anyway
cazalla: what's the best pay out to date?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTres also to help you understand the economics of the situation, bitbet puts 0.1 btc of its own on any accepted bet. btc charges 1% of pool. if the pool isn't 10btc, bitbet is making a loss on this score. this doesn't strictly mean you must plunk down 10 btc or else, but definitely 0.x btc aren't in the zone in most cases.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTres also, if you're concerned about one sidedness, you can just as well bet the other side too once the bet is accepted. this way you're now a bookie, and if you have any clue about MMM or w/e subject of your bet enough to line it correctly this can be a livelihood for you.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTres the idea is that if you make some bet that doesn't seem likely to interest anyone but you, you are expected to lay btc on it. if it doesn't interest you to the degree of actually laying btc on it, then it has no place in this world.
mircea_popescu: hard to say, but i would guess it would have been resolved the same way if mtgox was simply closed anyway.
Neil: I got screwed by the 1 Mar $150 Gox price thang on bitbet. That was my only loss.
mircea_popescu: then again a strong case can be made that karpeles & co are neither, so i guess we'll never know.
mircea_popescu: it'd seem that a sane business person, as well as anyone even vaguely aware of the legal implications of twi would have cut the pie on the 15th rather than on the 25th
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah, it's conceivable that keeping the entire thing on respirators so the price may reach 135 was in some way realted.
mircea_popescu: hm, how do you reason to come to either of those ?
Neil: mircea_popescu: Was just reading the MPOE Feb statement and trying to understand it. Are you implying that Gox were deliberately trying to screw you over last month? Or just that their shenanigans might have had that effect?
Neil: Eligius has really come back to take quite a slice of the mining pool pie
BingoBoingo: I may have also propelled a couple stoamach fulls of Onion stink into the river...
BingoBoingo: My sense of smell was blunted last few trips, but the name Chicago comess from a "How" Injun term for Onion stink
BingoBoingo: Used to go to Lake michigan, but now goes from lake Michigan to the Illinois river
Mats_cd03: I say...good on them
BingoBoingo: B007: The entire Chicago river is an open sewer
BingoBoingo: They have an open fucking sewer
BingoBoingo: B007: Same state, much, much further south. You know like in actual civilized country
Mats_cd03: o those, did you tell the 50
BingoBoingo: (The roof won that fight)
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Tornaders are the fuckers that tried to smash my roof last week.
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Have you seen twister, tornoders rue the day, coins just try to pick up the pieces later
Mats_cd03: coin will rue the day
BingoBoingo: Neither have I
BingoBoingo: I wonder if there is an altcoin named blowjobs.
BingoBoingo: Also A/UX, but who else used that in the first place?
BingoBoingo: B007: It is multiplatform compatibable, just make all of your base send balance to 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 and wait for the blowjobs
BingoBoingo: B007: Not too lond the s was a serendipitous bonus
BingoBoingo: It should suffice to say that the error in Bitcoin whereby vaccum insulated bottles control web forums is Aleph sub Aleph
BingoBoingo: Ticket 1/2 was the original payment protocol
dignork: B007, scroll back the channel, there was something about altcoin which was fully premined and then started to give full block reward
BingoBoingo: Right now I am rather disappointed I can't find 6% H2O2 solution
BingoBoingo: By having a DMSO solution piured over it at intervals, until the shark is me
asciilifeform: all the samples, if i recall, shipped in it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I remember those logs, I was the one who supposed DMSO as a problem
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: read the old logs, where i described a case of seeing this in person.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps also the most dangerous product at your corner pharmacy
BingoBoingo: I'm not totally sure, but I think I have just found the most dangerous product listed on Amazon
mod6: actually, think i might have not started from the right spot, because with that second part, this seems more correct:
BingoBoingo: Right, outgoing transactions are the only transactions tht can weaken addresses.
pankkake: eheh, putting your bitcoin in addresses were never used is another layer of security I guess
BingoBoingo: Well, right now the BIG worry is an attach that beats RIPEMD and ECDSA
pankkake: and these attacks would have to beat asics or be asic-able
BingoBoingo: Eh, maybe I should just buy people, or tractors (the two are in this price range fungible)
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: So BTC and ATC are out of the picture
BingoBoingo: Must scrub the pipes thoroughly
mod6: I can't prove this bug from some small test code that basically replicates the GetBlockValue function.
asciilifeform: not to be confused with 'opiate of the masses' ?
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo you know how the saying goes, "opiates and circuses"
BingoBoingo: Still the war is prolly lost since Zohydro is likely to be a thing http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/02/28/is-zohydro-the-super-potent-new-opiate-painkiller-just-too-dangerous/
kakobrekla: hehe, i see bieber takes the credits
BingoBoingo: For serious, the cornerstone of Ratchet culture is no moar http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/02/purpocylpse.html
BingoBoingo: Eh, the small sharks usually taste better.
Mats_cd03: although id love to eat a giant shark just as much as the next guy
KRS-One: bet its from the japanese nuclear reactor disaster
BingoBoingo: The Pacific Northwest apparently has an increase in persons being born without brains http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/health/cohen-birth-defects/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
kakobrekla: i kno i kno, just bitchin here cause i cant do it there :\
kakobrekla: wtf, have a boxter but cant cover for the stickers
kakobrekla: that one will be sleepin with the fishes.
BingoBoingo: Looking for donor art for the shoop I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alligator_Gar_6_Feet_129_lbs_Brazos_River_8_Nov_04a.jpg
kakobrekla: but if they fix one bitcoin bug, hey, it was worth it.
kakobrekla: i think this may be the first useful thing that came out of altcoins
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Only post is by kakobrekla, a photoshoop of Thermos sucking off a Gar
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Who Can Know How Much Randi Zuckerberg Is Worth?
ThickAsThieves: The trading activity itself-- the frantic activity-- keeps the rest of reality away. You're not your job-- you're something else. You're not your family, you're more than that. Things have the potential of possibly happening someday, and no work will have been necessary to accomplish it. Just you wait.
ThickAsThieves: because the strategy does not involve market timing or status updates, it is on autopilot, and there's no "i" in autopilot. Well, there's one, but it doesn't stand out.
ThickAsThieves: The mistake is in thinking this has anything to do with the money. It's said that most at home traders fail, but this is incorrect: they fail at making money, but they are successful at feeling like a trader. That is the goal; the money is secondary, which is why they fail at making it. The buy/hold/reinvest the dividends strategy of Buffet is totally opposite to what's desired,
kakobrekla: Same transactions and everything. DO NOT DEPOSIT. Visit http://bitcapital.co/ for the legitimate ponzi.
kakobrekla: SCAM SITE. HE JUST RIPPED THE HTML FROM MY SITE BITCAPITAL.CO
BingoBoingo: This is the rebuttal to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540148 I offer the valuable service of reading Trilema so other people don't have to
BingoBoingo: Seriously nice walkthrough of why betting both sides and betting constantly is the best way to bitbet.
ThickAsThieves: Employee of the Month!
TestingUnoDosTre: heres my thing. i own mmm stock, want to a decent position of btc. this position is meant to hedge the scenario
Duffer1: then bet X for your position and x for your hedge no?
TestingUnoDosTre: i understand the nature of weighted but there are market changes that could influence the results. what are my options?
kakobrekla: anyway, now that we have come to the end of this support ticket, i will kindly ask you to leave feedback for our internal purposes. how slanderous / rude did you find our support experience?
kakobrekla: they will prolly see your line in the logs, not that it magically adds numbers to your initial wager
TestingUnoDosTre: so can you explain to amod that i intend to bet more, depending on how the market interacys with the bet?
BingoBoingo: Is the future of 3M really that big of a deal?
kakobrekla: well the mods decided that it does not qualify apparently.
kakobrekla: well think about on how much you are willing to lose for your hedge and see what the market sez
kakobrekla: if you lose, you lose it all in all the cases
TestingUnoDosTre: my trouble is this. im willing to wager more as the bet develops, but .5 btc is more than most bets start with. i want to gage interest, see if theres an actual good payout, and wait maybe a week or few before i add more to the bet
kakobrekla: hi TestingUnoDosTre , which part of the mods reply > "Rejection reason: Consider submitting with substantial paid wager given peculiarity of proposition" you have troubles with?
Duffer1: thickasthieves the article was terrible, was just pointing it out to MP if he needed something to hate on
BingoBoingo: benkay: For the purposes I am looking for on the Betbet, I need to see unit patches and other things that affiliate these "Russian Soldiers" with units of a regular army. The backops unaffiliated, noncombatants (as per the Geneva convention definition) can't resolve that bet as yet.
benkay: help? that's not really how bitbet works most of the time.
TestingUnoDosTre: if I just throw 2 btc out therr, im afraid no one takes interest until too late
TestingUnoDosTre: theres no reason i wont bet more, but I want to gage interest
ThickAsThieves: basically bitbet is saying your bet is lame, but if you back it theyll list it
benkay: anyways, ThickAsThieves has it on the nose. mods say submit with substantial wager.
benkay: yeah there's that approach
benkay: all from the link
benkay: To make a long story short : there’s no way to obtain a price feed that could be relied on, currently.
benkay: bitdaytrade-esque failure and Jesse’s enthusiastic support of the well known and universally reviled Jared Kenna scammerx. There are some others out there, and they pop up and down like flies.xi
benkay: Even if one were to roll their own index : BTC-e is a rather dubious venture, still fondly remembered for their involvement in NovaCoin, the original altchain scamcoin and spotty reports of selective scamming. Bitstamp has two thumbs down from Matic for reasons I don’t fully grasp but then again I don’t really need to in that circumstance. I wouldn’t trust Kraken to hold as much as my spit, especially after their recent
ThickAsThieves: whats the big question, doesnt it say to include a bet sum to get it accepted?
TestingUnoDosTre: who is the authority to ask?
benkay: the easy answer is probably just to use bitcoin-central, but that'd just reek of cronyism.
benkay: other bets dependent on btc price were *placed* before feeds were found to be useless. your bet was placed after feeds found to be useless. your bet is rejected probably because now the mods know the price signal is fucked. previous bets were not because nobody knew the price signal was fucked.
TestingUnoDosTre: the bet ends two weeks early
benkay: well your bet comes after the data feeds are found to be useless.
artifexd: Thanks benkay. That was exactly along the lines I was thinking.
artifexd: So the bet outcome is determined by two (possibly compromised/influenced) feeds?
artifexd: And there is a place it is priced in BTC?
wao-ender: r> oh and there's a russian warship docking in cuba now, mysteriously
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham
ThickAsThieves: Duffer1, that article is poor. He begins painting a picture, but then he won't show us the finished piece.
Duffer1: mircea_popescu if you're looking for an article today http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/01/opinion/nocera-the-bitcoin-blasphemy.html?hp&rref=opinion
BingoBoingo: Well, Buffet generally bets slow and safely. I mean buying the trains was a great move on his part.
mircea_popescu: anyway, not entirely accurate. numerous times people benefited, sometimes immensely, by betting against the us.
Duffer1: how far the mighty have fallen
mircea_popescu: to the degree he sounds trollish, even
mircea_popescu: ahahah gotta love the fact that a 90 yo guy in nebraska is pretty much the only one left still believing this.
mircea_popescu: countrys present condition to that existing in 1776, you have to rub your eyes in wonder. And the dynamism
mircea_popescu: Indeed, who has ever benefited during the past 237 years by betting against America? If you compare our
copumpkin: let me do that, in case the copy and paste corrupted it somehow
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I can try re-exporting it from my keychain and send you that. I just repeated the original email this past time
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: huh? I used the exact same pubkey the first time I signed up (I even forwarded my original email) and it worked for over a year!
mircea_popescu: clearly the us has no inflationary problem at all.