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decimation: asciilifeform your blog post is good. I think the root of the issue (the reason why chumps bow prostrate to their masters) is that the chumps fail to distinguish fantasy from reality
kakobrekla: but at the end of the day its what the bet sez and what you can prove not what the truth is.
kakobrekla: im selling all my facebucks then.
mircea_popescu: i mean otherwise what, facebook is a coin
kakobrekla: they have some sort of blockchain
kakobrekla: that the bet does not exclude ripple
mircea_popescu: first of all i'm banning that retarded site, it's a signal about as good as pissing in the snow.
BingoBoingo: Preferably on of thickastheives's altcoins?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what the fuck are we doing with that retarded altcoin bet.
mircea_popescu: "How many incestuous half siblings does it take to screw in a lightbulb? You do the meth." << ahaha
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Depends on the motel, could go as low as $50 a week if the interstate is too fat.
BingoBoingo: Arised because another TwoBitIdiot like account https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles raised the issue of a Bitcoin Texas nonference
mircea_popescu: She said the two had been living in a motel with her 2-year-old twin daughters
mircea_popescu: wait, so siblings may not kiss in the us ?!
kakobrekla: well, not at the same time.
mircea_popescu: did you accept jesus in your heart and other cavities ?
mircea_popescu: "But her legacy has always been tarnished by the racist views that launched her career." / "but we've never managed to cope with the fact that people in the past did not think very much of the stereotypes we today hold dear"
mircea_popescu: "Out of this cesspool of vice rises that hideous monster, a possible menace to every home in the South. He has the savage nature and murderous instincts of the wild beast, plus the cunning and lust of a fiend."
mircea_popescu: Then I touched her cunt.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: the pope saying "cazzo"
gribble: St. Louis Cardinals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Cardinals>; Red Sox World Series Tickets 81% Higher Than Cardinals ... - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2013/10/20/red-sox-world-series-tickets-81-higher-than-cardinals-tickets-for-fall-classic/>; St Louis Cardinals on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google how much did the cardinals cost last time
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Make it a troll buy around $100k/BTC Matheny will prolly still be there by then.
benkay: the "any coin" clause
mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy something cool.
BingoBoingo: Well, when BTC tops $10,000 Maybe buy the Cardinals? Play at MPEx stadium?
mircea_popescu: queue at the soup kitchen.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if i owned the cardinals he'd be fired.
mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
mircea_popescu: "Matheny told two reporters this morning that he spoke privately to Martinez and that he addressed the team again about their actions on social media this morning."
mircea_popescu: not that idiot. the other idiot.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Throws a baseball too good for that. Was told to just watch actual porn and skip the tweets
mircea_popescu: hopefully the idiot got told to get fucked by the team.
mircea_popescu: nah it's there, or at least i see it.
kakobrekla: why is the report not on facebook
mircea_popescu: Neil at any rate, i wasn't saying there's something wron with the compilers, i said it depends how shit's implemented. basically, a write-out of "undefined"
mircea_popescu: mike_c he easily gets a pass from me too, he can say whatever the fuck he wants
mike_c: the guy is 83, he gets a pass. he has quite a track record of not being stupid.
jcpham: pretty sure they agreed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think now the trend is China White, or Heroine
jcpham: mircea_popescu I told someone that MPOE-PR was light years ahead of mtgox the other day
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and before it does, it can get people to be unable to evaluate the future.
cazalla: they are blaming lower volume on lower price but i would think vol would be higher with lower price
mircea_popescu: cazalla if there's some such effect, it'd conceivably show slower than one month
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the other hand, i'd be fucking amazed if buffett is still around in 10 years
cazalla: yet they seem to blame low price on less bets
cazalla: reading the casinobitco.in feb report - if bitcoin price is lower, would it be right to assume people would be more bitcoin as it's worth less?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yeah, they managed to lose their customer db a week or two ago. maybe that's all they lost, who's to know at this point.
mircea_popescu: i remembered there's something amiss but didn't actually remember wtf it was so i ended up being all derpy about it.
mircea_popescu: Neil yah actually that article of yours is what my intel people hit me over the head with
ThickAsThieves: viewers weren't happy. "This is misleading and had our entire family running to the TV to find out what was going on, only to find it was a commercial," reads one complaint.
ThickAsThieves: The FCC has issued a $1.9 million fine against Viacom, NBC Universal, and ESPN for their promotions of 2013 action movie Olympus has Fallen. According to a filing, it started receiving complaints in March of 2013, when Viacom-owned Comedy Central aired a trailer containing the two-tone emergency signal. The trailer aired several more times on other channels over the following days, and
ThickAsThieves: "Well i called and talked to Ken today and he said Just Watch what happens in 3 weeks So i think that is the good news he is talking about, So i will wait the 3 weeks and reserve my judgement of everything till then"
gribble: The expected generation output, at 400000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.0527193835767 BTC per day and 0.00219664098236 BTC per hour.
gribble: The expected generation output, at 7000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.000922589212592 BTC per day and 3.84412171913e-05 BTC per hour.
ThickAsThieves: i mean, to fix the world. that's my goal
deadweasel: what's the goal here, anyway?
Duffer1: pretty much anyone related to the bitcoin foundation or max keiser should provide you with ample work TaT
ThickAsThieves: and their heart hurts a little
ThickAsThieves: i know they read it
ThickAsThieves: i dont need acknowledgement from the targets though
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: A nice first step is checking your feed for Maybe controversial tweets from people you follow. If there are a lot of responses call out some of the idiots.
BingoBoingo: Like anything else the additional work is really very little when you know what to look for.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well you have to scope the people out a bit first and remember people like @maxkeister take the same approach to criticism Pirateat40 did, they ignore it.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Don't worry, they respond eventually.
ThickAsThieves: they so trollsilient
ThickAsThieves: i guess thatd be the best way
ThickAsThieves: i wish the bet was worded better though
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: They forget that Bitbet and not Reddit is the court though.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At the moment Bitbet seems the only real platform for hedging that risk which might deliver.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well my interest is largely due to http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ which I hope to profit from on the "Yes" side by the arrival of Sradinian troops
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you seem to take an interest in the subject: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html
copumpkin: I think we can tell what timezone they're talking about
ozbot: Former Central Banker Admits "[They] Are Making It Up As They Go Along" | Zero Hedge
BingoBoingo: I dunno if people really read the forum for things other than the neg ratings anyways
kakobrekla: well, i can still negrate, despite the ban. at least something.
asciilifeform: but at some point, they will
asciilifeform: at the moment, the idiots daren't take advantage of this fact
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: know what's sad? with all of the bitcoin phoundation's public goatfucking, the most commonly used client remains: the one put out by them, or whatever well-connected scammer picks up the torch.
BingoBoingo: OMG look what the Ripple shill and spyware guy said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5485066#msg5485066
asciilifeform: the point is, none of this is pushed by people concerned with actual security or whatnot
BingoBoingo: Well, a hammer is usually the right tool for this kind of job
asciilifeform: (near the hdd cavity)
asciilifeform: i have a dell laptop circa 2007 lying around in some box. it has a 'hammer here' target embossed on the bottom.
BingoBoingo: I kind of imagined an Ipad destruction machine would "fold" the thing over a few times before puncturing.
asciilifeform: there is probably already a custom hydraulic press on the market for puncturing 'ipads' and the like
asciilifeform: rather than merely the disk, with the remainder hitting the surplus market
asciilifeform: they stand to win big from the fact of bureaucrats (government and corporate both) mandating destruction of a whole machine upon write-off
asciilifeform: enemy does not need to remotely control the box if he can encourage you to voluntarily practice bad comsec.
BingoBoingo: For sure. Then there's the problem where business and education market products which seem to have longer time until then now usually come with firmware rooted by default.
asciilifeform: or accessible independent of the machine it was bought in.
asciilifeform: 'The Market Has Spoken' (TM) that disk doesn't need to be removable.
asciilifeform: and those are quickly overtaking the winblows pc portable
asciilifeform: the only apple-specific detail in the plot is perhaps the difficulty of removing hdd in newer apple boxes for sanitation
BingoBoingo: Definitely. The ritual cleasing is roughly as effictive as one of those "dream catchers" with an overly coarse net on a round wooden frame
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is another one of those instances where the 'avoid ritually unclean things' formula is inadequate.
BingoBoingo: No, but the high sticker prices seems to encourage bad behavior
asciilifeform: the practical 'joke' in the piece isn't apple-specific
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: It's the drama bump
benkay: "The fact that this type of strategy is ever viable at all seems to me to suggest at least one of two possible explanations: either the futures market is relatively inefficient and dominated by unhedged directional bets taken by gamblers and speculators, or the aggregate view of the Bitcoin capital markets is that the counterparty risk created by exchanges like ICBIT is too high to support strategies that require maintaining a position
ozbot: Selling the Froth: A Simple Hedged Forex Strategy for Bitcoin-Denominated Returns
ozbot: [Stratfor] Examining the future of Bitcoin : Bitcoin
Namworld: These revenues suck
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ThickAsThieves: if anything can remain irrational longer than the marker, it's surely a creation of mircea_popescu ;)
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall which or how many articles covered the topic, but i recall them mostly boiling down to mpoe being the only sure thing in bitcoin to invest in.
ThickAsThieves: while i'm not converted, mp did take the time to explain this already
mike_c: except the knife isn't falling!
benkay: ready to play a game of catch-the-knife?
BingoBoingo: Looks like the drama rally might be heating up
ThickAsThieves: lol he namedrops ethereum...
jurov: welcome in the club
mike_c: ok.. i give up. mpex turns off 70% of its revenue, the share price goes down basically 0%.
Neil: KRS-One: good bait; I have a soft spot for the Asian ladies
ThickAsThieves: they used to post more though
ThickAsThieves: ah they just tucked it under a misleading name
ozbot: The Genesis Block
ThickAsThieves: i wondered what happened to The Genesis Block blog. It looks like they gave up writing and moved on to data
ThickAsThieves: people now trust the con- more than the -vincing
ThickAsThieves: davout makes mean posts on forums, therefore he is a liar and only trying to promote his business. Of course!
davout: I used the former before, now I tweet under the latter
jurov: <davout> they told me i'm slanderous soul
jurov: with >600 upvoes, it should be right there
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how blurry the line is for getting banned from commenting at theverge
ozbot: Bitstamp and Kraken, can you respond to these allegations by your competitor that you aren't complyi
ozbot: noospheer | The Quantum Graph
ThickAsThieves: (This was Vitalik Buterin and Jordan Ash, for the record)
ThickAsThieves: they were deadly focused on the sexiness of achieving psuedo-quantum mining and being geekchic
ThickAsThieves: the value would be zero
ThickAsThieves: there's no smart quickness about it
ThickAsThieves: they said so on a stage as well!
Neil: Huh? They were claiming they'd be rich exploiting something whose value would go to zero being exploited? They'd have to be quick and smart in how they did said "exploiting".
ThickAsThieves: this is of course why ethereum can't be taken seriously, etc
ThickAsThieves: they believed it al
ThickAsThieves: what's worse is they weren't even scamming
ThickAsThieves: the whole thing was surreal
ThickAsThieves: also they'd open source the miners after they mined "enough"
ThickAsThieves: indeed, it also reminds me of the quantum mining guys somehow arguing that soliciting investors to create it would make them rich in bitcoins, while out the other side of their mouth saying that quantum invulnerable wallets can be made afterward
Neil: I guess I can celebrate understanding sthg mircea doesn't / didn't 24 hrs ago. There is no problem with the compilers; whatever they do is good; it's all in the language spec and doing something with no defined semantics.
nubbins`: twist: nsa foresaw digital currency and created bitcoin codebase so that a flawed implementation would ruin people on the idea
nubbins`: actually, you could remove everything past the first three words
Neil: ThickAsThieves: The problem is, these are always signs that the dude that wrote it doesn't really know what they're doing. Hence why we're all running code with remote exploits.
Neil: Yeah so I'm zebedee on the fora
Neil: Lemme find the link
Neil: The problem is most coders don't know the language they're writing, nor do they care. Hence the crap we deal with. We need more Dan Bernsteins and Matt Dillons.
Neil: But a bug it is; the code wouldn't pass muster in GCC which I used to maintain.
Neil: The laughing was something like "Yeah we'll all care about that in 2200" which is fair enough; no way will the bug last that long. And you won't care before then.
Neil: It's undefined behaviour to shift by an amount greater than or equal to the bitwidth of the type in C and C++. No such care was taken in the bitcoind codebase.
Neil: I pointed out the >>= bug about 1 year ago. I got laughed at on the forums.
nubbins`: big ol' whitespace breaks going down the page
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished? <<< The US Gov?
ThickAsThieves: "It's not a currency," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't around in the next 10-20 years." "It's being priced off the dollar," Buffett added. "It is not a durable means of exchange."
HeySteve: nubbins, what's up with the layout?
ThickAsThieves: so far this tells the story of every single web dev project ever
ThickAsThieves: who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished?
ThickAsThieves: "As a result of one’s legitimate desire not to pay for a job failing to comply with the original agreement"
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel /// I'm skeptical
HeySteve: we have the story of Karpele's fraud in France before he fled to Japan and started Gox - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/03/exclusive-tibanne-co-ltd-sentenced-2013-mark-karpeless-lies-new/
nubbins`: wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel
ThickAsThieves: you can still see the Silver Member logo on his site today if you click thru www.inputs.io
ThickAsThieves: yes the post is errored in that TF was a Silver Member of the BTCFundnation
vexuall: Warm yor cake hole corn hole sppooon fed fuckstick face by the fire
vexuall: Do they have newsgroups?
vexuall: Some dude said how the internet routs around fucktardery wnd cesorship
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, "The only reason TradeFortress wasn't similarly has to do with cash" // I believe the foundation vouched for him in the sense they published some logo or whatever advertising for inputs.io
benkay: give it three years you might talk mp into flying you out to dj the next secret bitcoinspiracy con
benkay: yeah well how the fuck am i supposed to rate you if you're not even in the wot?!
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benkay: you know vex you can get in the wot with just a btc wallet
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
benkay: they're linked in the message of the day.
benkay: azi` you could check the logs
azi`: gah I hope the guys at gox didn't store the passwords in playintex
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: this is a serious problem, because one cent from one billion scum results in enough piled up money for shit like spears and aurora coin to pretenbd like they matter.
mircea_popescu: they'll spend it to buy britney spears records and aurora coins
mircea_popescu: if they have as much as one cent extra over what the bare minimum their sustenance requires,
mircea_popescu: that way you ensure any resources they have are judiciously expended.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with welfare : this sort of idiot should be on a starvation diet
benkay: the surprise is that people buy this particular scam.
benkay: and yet the aurora coin people are nominally going to give coins to icelandic folk?
mircea_popescu: benkay well yes, the icelanders are under insane capital controls. what's the surprise here ?
mircea_popescu: they should have quit when i said it's a scam, not wait till after i killed their piggybank.
mircea_popescu: anyway. for the record : people quitting Bitcoin Foundation now are going to be getting exactly zero credit for it.
Apocalyptic: the AML data leak kinda bothers me
Apocalyptic: damn, i've been off for a while and it seems the gox drama is keeping on
mircea_popescu: you'd think bfl's vleisides is advising them.
mircea_popescu: maybe this way they'll escape prosecution and everything
mircea_popescu: in new news : bitcoin scamdation running out of the us
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
chetty: Tim Cook has shocked some in the US with an impassioned attack on the single-minded pursuit of profit – and a direct appeal to climate-change deniers not to buy shares in his firm.
Jakamoko: supposedly they got access to the user's aml documentation
ThickAsThieves: "nanashi____ who posted the leaked recording between Mark Karpeles and the Japanese bank also says there is a 20GB MySQL database. An unknown group is trying to decode it and retrieve non-personal information at the moment, and may release a torrent later."
benkay: i guess just another aspect of the problem we all face that we never talk about in public because just talking about it exposes your practices
MisterE: Crimerians are happy the Russians are there
asciilifeform: ('standardized stego' is the key hidden under door mat.)
asciilifeform: benkay: depends on the actual mechanism used.
benkay: what is the going rate per kb?
asciilifeform: 'pay' in the sense that stuffing bits in the blockchain costs.
chetty: in the end a key based id is no different than the various numbers and stuff we use now, how do you protect those?
asciilifeform: (if you are not willing to pay what this costs, the payload cannot be important)
asciilifeform: encrypt, using a process known only to you, and inject in the blockchain.
benkay: it is the sum of my identity 25 years from now
benkay: is there a checklist for the professional keyholder i've failed to find?
benkay: #3 make it hard to parse the possibility space, #4 have rock solid encryption as a last barrier?
asciilifeform: the only real defence is: obscurity
benkay: so the only thing to do is an encrypted drive with a memorized dicelist.
benkay: right. they got the backups.
benkay: more along the lines of list of things to do that will reduce attack surface area
asciilifeform: and doesn't know (or care) where you keep the stash
asciilifeform: none of you seem to be thinking about the obvious
benkay: i'm afraid of becoming an old man and actually losing it in the mess, though.
chetty: fillup a lot of storage with random stuff, encrypted with different keys, lose it in the mess
BingoBoingo: perhaps find a "collectible" surplus or replica for the purpose
BingoBoingo: carry some microfiche that looks like a one time pad and you actual keys more discretely, misdirect the attention
B007: just store your keys encrypted and offline, hope for the best?
benkay: but also it has to be a sustainable, fault-tolerant thing that a person can practice their whole lives.
benkay: or suits as the case may be.
MisterE: John Kerry: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave...by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635
benkay: what goes on the ideal crypto-savvy human's personal-security checklist?
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dub: and he ragequits all the time, the signal-drama ration is about normal
dub: I don't hate the guy, no reason to drag old shit into the -assets blogparty
nubbins`: it's not a web of people who eventually made good in the end after being publicly embarassed
dub__: ah the log goes into that
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Paying the Rent
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dub__: ;;ud paying the rent
kakobrekla: [21:21:00] <HappzzC__> yeah, youre like a week late snd i depend on the miney
kakobrekla: well what has the world come to
nubbins`: he was lurking as Guest56803 for the past few days
benkay: me neither - gotta fixit.
ozbot: [21:05:50] <rg> but i had to pay rent today [21:06:04] <nezZario> The only - Pastebin.com
benkay: well it might be caselaw nubbins` that's the thing
benkay: hey nubbins` would you be a friend and pastebin some logs of the -otc drama for us?
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