asciilifeform: notice that if china merely wanted to buy the existing agri output, it easily could
mircea_popescu: this is what the ukraine does, farms for export.
asciilifeform: ' The deal will funnel $2.6 billion into Ukraine annually for the next 50 years. China will also send seeds and fertilizer, as well as build some vital infrastructure in Crimea...'
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I may or may not have 300 kbtc. If you offer news that gets a response from me other than nigga, maybe you get 20BTC
mircea_popescu: romania has a grain terminal in constanta large enough to ship the ukraine whole
BingoBoingo: Or in the words of fiddy, get rich or dy trying
btcleak: mircea_popescu redirect me to the rich folks
btcleak: who are the rich faggots here
asciilifeform: i've no conclusive evidence! i live in an entirely different failed state, on other side of atlantic ocean.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was that this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04619a7a-5da2-11e3-95bd-00144feabdc0.html) transport project would ship the resulting goods home.
mircea_popescu: they haven't disappeared in fiat yet
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They adapt or die
btcleak: I am so in love with you that I want to give you the info for free
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as an agricultural equivalent of 'strip mining'
btcleak: or else I would make you pay forward for the info not after it happens
mircea_popescu: good land is in the west anyway
asciilifeform: given that, after a russian victory, the process (if actual) will likely re-start
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seeing how i never heard a peep of this until AFTER the troubles, i'd say it's propaganda
asciilifeform: (as they are presently doing elsewhere)
asciilifeform: that yanukovych was in the process of selling vast tracts of land in u. to the chinese
btcleak: It comes from the man himself
mircea_popescu: afghanistan, as pumped by the us is a failed state.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
btcleak: I got the hottest chili ever BingoBoingo Multivac
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state << exactly same way as the u.s.
mircea_popescu: it's like everyone has nothing better to do than ride the hyperbolae.
mircea_popescu: " So, now we are threatening to start World War Three because Russia is trying to control the chaos in a failed state on its border a state that our own government spooks provoked into failure?"
nubbins`: can you imagine the gold rush on that?
mircea_popescu: what the web really needs is a .derp
mircea_popescu: (that famous one, on the river side)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, you start an IRL Breaking Bad spinoff, call it "The Real Empire Business" All of a sudden you have a nation of 2 billion central kentucky hillbillies
asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but that's the point. you'd have to somehow teach them to stop taking order.
mircea_popescu: if every able bodied white guy did nothing but rape chinese women from now on to the rest of his life,
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could be bothered to colonize china.
asciilifeform: now a brit, french, or one of us - might agree! but who expects the chinese crown to agree.
asciilifeform: 'orc culture 101.' in the lands of the orcs, when 'human' shows up and says 'we can have government without corruption!' what people hear is 'if we'd let the jerries win, we could be in a mercedes benz. but it isn't too late! and if we end up as the seats, that's our place'
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nah, robots still steal for people. We need robots to steal for the sake of theft being fun
mod6: arnt we alreday there?
ozbot: Ukraine: Call me a crazy optimist, but I think that in the long run, Putin and his kleptocratic pals
Mats_cd03: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/03/ukraine_call_me_a_crazy_optimist_but_i_think_that_in_the_long_run_putin_and_his_kle
Mats_cd03: im a big fan of tom ricks' view of how the ukraine will turn out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of them being you know, owners of uk football clubs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the parasites in the summary being the various u.s. 'aid' busybodies who feast on the festering corpses of countries zapped by 'international community'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and as far as parasites go... russia definitely takes the cake. their (putin's) recovery model pretty much relies on parasites
mircea_popescu: they're not obliged nor reasonably expected to go "o heh heh bitcoin heh heh" just so random beavis feels tehy connected.
mircea_popescu: so the customs searched his bags. it's what customs do.
ThickAsThieves: "The purpose of this wallet is to provide cold storage level security with close to web wallet convenience."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly the thing reads to me like attentionseeking behaviour.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or if they bombed japan more generouslky.
kakobrekla: >BitcoinNotBombs co-founder Davi Barker was stopped in the Manchester, NH airport by TSA agents demanding to search is bags for Bitcoins. Barker was traveling with Bitcoin related merchandise, namely metal pins with Bitcoin labels on them, which he believes is what confused the TSA agents, who didn’t seem to understand what Bitcoin actually is. Barker was eventually allowed to continue to his flight.
asciilifeform: other cases (latvia) not so hot.
mircea_popescu: romania finished 2 nucelar reactors that the soviets/local commies tried to get going for 15 years, and now exports electricity.
asciilifeform: did they?
BingoBoingo: They had Ukraine first.
BingoBoingo: Eh, why not pick on the polaks?
asciilifeform: orlov's view seems to be that usg/nato/allies wreck countries (near east, etc.) to retard development -> to throttle resource consumption, create captive markets a la the brits at their peak, churn mil. inventory, 'controllable chaos' to feed various parasites.
mircea_popescu: why can't he just make an altcoin like any well behaved scammer and fade into the bitbucket.
nubbins`: wouldn't be able to take the guy seriously if he wasn't such a fucking hardass
mircea_popescu: so i tend to give them a hard time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not pro putin in any sense. it's just that most of the people ending up in my feed are english speaking propaganda agents
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Twitter you sounds rather pro-Putin IRC you sounds rather fuck everybody. Unfortunatly people miss the Trilema you fuck everybody needs to be literal
nubbins`: all under the name: Server Froze."
nubbins`: "In one case, Kelly suspects the person used in the scheme had poor English skills and, through miscommunication, wrote down what he believed was the fake name he was supposed to use, which was apparently flashing across his computer screen. This fake identity went on to have an effective credit rating, a driver’s licence, bank accounts, a telephone and an apartment (with renter’s insurance). And
asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'
ozbot: How 'synthetic' identity fraud costs Canada $1B a year - Canada - CBC News
nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-synthetic-identity-fraud-costs-canada-1b-a-year-1.2554429
ThickAsThieves: well then
asciilifeform: or rather, anti-anglo
ThickAsThieves: but i'm from there
ThickAsThieves: i'd bet on the Red Sox
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When I wrote the electric boogaloo bet, France's boots were the ones I imagined solving it as Yes
mircea_popescu: people all derping around about war. if a general mobilization order issued by the ukraine is ignored so, who the fuck is going to go to war ? france ?
mircea_popescu: check that out, they only got 1% ish respond to mobilization orders ?
BingoBoingo: As I write the noob sports betting article, I'd like to open a quick survey. What team would people pick to take the World Series this year?
BingoBoingo: And that is why I try not to travel futher north than I-70
mircea_popescu: "The last time the Chicago Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire still existed."
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, n00bs don't read -assets so I might as well write it for them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not direly essential, i think i got the basic idea from your summary
BingoBoingo: And find ALL of the satoshi communications
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Does Hanna have thoughts on these developments? Other than "finally" and oter breif quips?
mircea_popescu: you two answered each other.
asciilifeform: why the hell not
mircea_popescu: Hopefully these will be the first orders of business: dissolve, disband, liquidate."
mircea_popescu: "I move that MPOE-PR be appointed supreme dictator of the Bitcoin Foundation.
BingoBoingo: Once they turn 30 some horses at Fairmount park sell their jizz for more than the floozie's going rate.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most of those floozies make more than the doctors that patronize them make
mircea_popescu: fact : the ~average~ entrepreneur will not have made by age 40 as much money as the average hs floozie working the stripping joints in saget, il made.
mircea_popescu: need moar #womenintech, because currently they're not fucktarded enough to work really long hours doing relaly anyoing shit for very little money.
BingoBoingo: hundreds a night if she's fat and black, thousands if the ain's fat and lighter. White C cup would prolly work in Caseyville where the money is better
BingoBoingo: Depends on the tits and how not black she is
mircea_popescu: what's a working girl make there ?
mircea_popescu: ction and the severity of the mutilation. Judge C. Glenn Stevens awarded the man $16,000,000 in 1993 to compensate him. To satisfy the judgment, the Midwest Rubber Reclaiming plant and equipment owned by the Monsanto Corporation was sold at auction in August 1993. The site has since been leveled with no future prospects for development.
mircea_popescu: The Monsanto plant in Sauget was also home to a serious accident in January 1992 when worker Charles Pritchett was critically hurt. Pritchett was caught in an auger used for moving small materials and shredding rubber. He was stuck in the auger for five hours while officials attempted to extract him. Pritchett was in a coma for three months and pronounced dead twice. Pritchett's leg was eventually amputated due to infe
BingoBoingo: Well they haven't had a mayor not named Sauget in nearly a century
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, No one but Monsanto and strip clubs actually are in the city limits
mircea_popescu: Sauget was incorporated as "Monsanto" in 1926. It was formed to provide a liberal regulatory environment and low taxes for the Monsanto chemical plants at a time when local jurisdictions had most of the responsibility for environmental rules. It was renamed in honor of Leo Sauget, its first Village President
BingoBoingo: Seriously the formula should be buy a frontier league team, hire some MLB players
mircea_popescu: http://www.frontierleague.com/league/transactions/ < o look, they have a bitcoin exchange
BingoBoingo: Check the history of the town they are headquartered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauget,_Illinois
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm telling you can't be more than 20 BTC next year to take them http://www.frontierleague.com/teams/frontier-greys/
asciilifeform: multiple generations of derps killed their predecessors, ending with a final crop of mostly-functional beings
asciilifeform: 'those were the great roaring 90s, we survived as well as we could'
mircea_popescu: they give stars to anyone now.
BingoBoingo: I some alternate history Ohio could have been the real Afghanistan
mircea_popescu: just as long as they made some tenochtitlan steel sabres cca 1300
BingoBoingo: Still an interesting alternate history it would be if the filthy spanish did not small pox the continent and therby give the English the chance to colonize
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo some argument can be brought that a relative lack of readily available iron made them kind-of stone-age-bound 4ever.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The bigger problem is they had buffalo that many years and never managed to turn them into cows.
mircea_popescu: i'd much more regret the russians should they go, even as they've been unmitigated assholes their entire history.
mircea_popescu: kind-of why the only thought the collapse of the us evokes in my head is... well... good riddance.
mircea_popescu: people took 25k years to come up with... pottery ? fuck them, you don't even want that shit to survive.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it counts as personal survival, but not cultural survival. It's a mindset. A flawed one. But it is the one dominant on this continent in spite of wrongness.
cazalla: mike_c: not really :\ i am hopeful they did delete my ID as they said they would after i closed my account
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's the key to survival.
mircea_popescu: so i've been reading stan's last post for the past fucking hour, becase you people are killing any shred of productivity.
BingoBoingo: Aztec descendents survived on their women's lubrication and in that course became something different. Sioux staying pure now merely sell gas for $6 per gallon to people who can't stay on the interstate.
ThickAsThieves: so i posted the link to The Last Question on facebook, and it only got Likes from jesus lovers
BingoBoingo: Well in that case the ones who never encountered small pox before are equally extinct.
asciilifeform: i do wonder what, if anything, has been heard of the Yanomami indians since that time when traders supplied them with shotguns...
mircea_popescu: the ones that failed to suck cock rapidly, eagerly and well are now extinct.
mircea_popescu: compare for better results the fate of various subhuman tribes encountered by europeans.
ThickAsThieves: enky says "Auroracoin is premined, it doesnt make sense to look the marketcap"
asciilifeform: well, the animal is often described as having had an... inadequate reaction to predators, having lives as it did without them
BingoBoingo: And in the process teach people how to only lose 30% pr year
asciilifeform: my first imagined picture, when reading mr. o's bit, was the demise of the dodo bird.
cazalla: wonder if gox actually deleted account and personal details as they said they would after 90 days (from memory i was 90)
mircea_popescu: as counterintuitive and mother-in-law-wisdom contradictory this may seem.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the strategy of the woman that goes "i like you, fuck me please" actually beats into shit the strategy of the woman that plays the aloof wallflower.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it is not actually sociopathic to kill the trustful.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is correct, depending on the playing field. not everyone is inclined to build armies, though - some folks just want to kill & eat their neighbors.
mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustless side wastes all his time being paul fucking atreides, wasting his time fighting the freemen leaders.
mike_c: haha. from that twitter page: "@niccary @marketmakers @Bloomberg @blockchain did the price of #bitcoin go up as to insider trading?"
mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustful side easily and frictionlessly builds army, wipes other side.
mircea_popescu: simple minded sociopaths arise in both compartments with the same, god dictated frequency.
kakobrekla: maybe its theseckritbitcoinproject.io
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just ver & co trying to wash the foundation thing.
ThickAsThieves: could explain the rally
ThickAsThieves: so there's some kinda chatter about some bitcoin news tomorrow
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse." << this is strictly untrue.
asciilifeform: i mean, it is a deep mystery to me why it should ever remain in doubt whether 'X endorses Y'
ThickAsThieves: shit the last thing i need is reddit after me
mircea_popescu: that's all the needed technology.
ThickAsThieves: "The CEO of Reddit has personally gone to bitcointalk to warn users to not invest in an IPO coin "Redditcoin" and warn they will take action if it is released."
mircea_popescu: " According to the 1999 Gambling Impact Study, an estimated $80 billion to $380 billion was illegally bet each year on sporting events in the United States. This estimate dwarfed the $2.5 billion legally bet each year in Nevada"
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The difference is dice players aren't patient enough to wait two hours to find out how they rolled.
kakobrekla: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets. < that explains the just dice!
BingoBoingo: Even the Miami Marlins win some games
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mircea_popescu: so this makes them better sweats ?
BingoBoingo: With Handegg, generally there is a better team and that team wins.
BingoBoingo: Baseball's offense is based on an action that at best succeeds 1/3 of the time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because of some intrinsic fact about the games? or mere historical happenstance?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The nature of how baseball works lends a lot of games to beign interesting sweats. Less so with hockey, still far less with Handegg, and almost never does an interesting sweat come from basketball.
peterl: copumkin: great way to invest if you have the patience to not get in your own way
mircea_popescu: course, this shit takes professionalism (of the actual kind), so there's not that much being done so far.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is so made that people can run their own line books backed on it
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a quite legitimate business endeavour. mpex is designed so that people can make their own brokerages and serve demographics on top of it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It can be. While winning a bet is the best outcome, the best expectable outcome is betting on a game that provides a decent "sweat"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPorts betting at its essence boild down to finding players and ownership groups with such animosity towards one another that throwing the game isn't and option.
copumpkin: MPOE is by far the best investment I've ever made if you count how much I paid for it and how much it has grown and BTC has grown
copumpkin: what are these strange cxbtc things I have
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i don't mean this stylistically. it is factually and quite mathematically exact.
mircea_popescu: line betting is essentially someone getting in between bitbet and the luser, offering "services" and other customer supports.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That actually isn't far from the truth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of these days, you ought to write 'n00b guide' to sports bets. for instance, i grew up thinking of the whole concept as a chumpatron (lusers bet, the sports meisters throw matches & pocket the chumpatronium)
mircea_popescu: or alternatively i could hire twenty cocksucking "masseuses" for like 12 btc a season and have the porniest pro sports team in da werld
BingoBoingo: I've been learning in the wrong direction then. My first phrase was "Fuck your mother горничная"
ThickAsThieves: i wont tell you, otherwise Scam accusations
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i imagine you're on the no side
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If they come this fast I live way to close to a trascom outpost.
mircea_popescu: which is more like... half of the tron troff pair than anything
mircea_popescu: also i think tpoh does not even nearly map on the english tron
asciilifeform: 'you go to war with' the pidgin you have, not the literary language you wish you had...
ThickAsThieves: any others?
ThickAsThieves: what websites has bitbet allowed as proof in the past?
mircea_popescu: "bitbet resolves dubious bet by crashing dubious altscam into the ground"
mircea_popescu: i guess i was right... it's not that there's A problem.
mircea_popescu: the sad irony of it all beinbg that i hazily recall mod asking me if i see a problem and me saying no.
ThickAsThieves: in the headline at least
BingoBoingo: This might be a good time to suggest a BitBet, "Bitbet to not accept further Altcoin Marketcap bets in 2014"
kakobrekla: was there an answer to this
BingoBoingo: I mean scamcoin tricks suggest forcing people to either spec better signals or kill MPOE bot
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can't fucking push it either, it's a legitimate contention.
ThickAsThieves: i have a bet in there
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i can't ok this. i mean i couldn't care less either way, it's bettors' btc on either side of the bet.
mircea_popescu: eh get the fuck out, cryptsy never saw 1k btc in its entire existence
ThickAsThieves: add to the FAQ: In a circumstance where an accepted bet is determined to have unreliable determining factors, BitBet shall choose factors as best it can, or refund all bets at its own discretion.
mircea_popescu: the entire auroracoin thing looks like it cost less than what the bet would bring in.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, to me this entire shit looks like a transparent attempt of the quoted site to made 10 btc or w/e.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes everyone agrees, let's send the winners to gox.
kakobrekla: that has to be THE merit.
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
asciilifeform: well, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.'
mircea_popescu: talk about living the dream.
mircea_popescu: imagine these kids, you know ? buncha weaboos start card trading website
asciilifeform: was something there?
mircea_popescu: "I think what concerns me more than anything is that they're rounding some of their values."
Bugpowder: The user data all stored in mySQL
decimation: well, at the very least with OTC damage is limited and healing
Bugpowder: little did I expect OTC to be the SAFE routh
Bugpowder: That motherfuckering tool.
Bugpowder: (probably they will sell that instead of leak it :(
Bugpowder: they won't release personal info
Bugpowder: they say no personal info released of users
Bugpowder: they may release a torrent
mircea_popescu: these are EXTREMELY vulnerable people, because most of them have either forced their bank to accept "weird" txs
mircea_popescu: in that ~20gb worth of idiots' passport scans are now in the wild.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is re the very concerning leak at mtgox,
mike_c: what's wrong is they make the code less readable, thereby making it harder for the 2nd programmer who has to touch the code.
decimation: what's wrong with commenting out lines of code? they are crumbs for students
joecool: mircea_popescu: still does, i need to see how many uses of "fuck" they still have in source
mike_c: bank software is probably terrible. i highly doubt they have good programmers.
joecool: probably all asp, the pinnacle of security
decimation: I would be shocked if they didn't
joecool: <MagicalTux> [07:10:14] <joecool> MagicalTux: kalyhost going to continue operations? <- that's the plan
decimation: a trustworth bitcoin exchange should exist, this is an exchange, therefore it is trustworthy?