asciilifeform: nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him.
mircea_popescu: you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in.
mircea_popescu: basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot
mircea_popescu: so then...
asciilifeform: in the usual sense
asciilifeform: which is why there isn't really a market
asciilifeform: you have to buy them in bulk.
ThickAsThieves: "i cant say anything more than on the website"
asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.
ThickAsThieves: "I just called Mt Gox asking for my bitcoins..here the recording"
ThickAsThieves: i'm not too familiar with the people
mircea_popescu: not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ?
asciilifeform: had a spiffy quote in there
asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'
asciilifeform: russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder
mircea_popescu: say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would
mircea_popescu: "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where,
decimation: why is your joy their problem?
ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?
ThickAsThieves: i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical
mircea_popescu: that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm
mircea_popescu: the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one
ThickAsThieves: why iis the law beig enforced
ThickAsThieves: if they are helping no one
ThickAsThieves: other than to observe when law goes absurd
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KlingonPromotion
mircea_popescu: itd still fuck you i nthe field.
ThickAsThieves: the limit is reality
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo father is dead.
mircea_popescu: if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable.
BingoBoingo: Loses their commision
mircea_popescu: you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem.
BingoBoingo: I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed
mircea_popescu: because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father.
mircea_popescu: so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt.
BingoBoingo: I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man.
asciilifeform: the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' !
mircea_popescu: well say the population is 1mn.
asciilifeform: what's the word - anyone?
mircea_popescu: suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force.
decimation: an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are
ThickAsThieves: "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list."
asciilifeform: alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away
decimation: officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron
ThickAsThieves: agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets
asciilifeform: in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax.
decimation: the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits
mircea_popescu: they have lower limits
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways
ThickAsThieves: there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times
decimation: "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ½ of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. "
ozbot: Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey
mircea_popescu: and the clowds did billow smoke"
mircea_popescu: "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards
ThickAsThieves: i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd
mircea_popescu: the book of doom after tat
ThickAsThieves: except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams
ThickAsThieves: the roof is back, carry on
mircea_popescu: what was the expression, "roof" ?
ThickAsThieves: how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur
ThickAsThieves: <decimation> actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true
mircea_popescu: till the air runs out
mircea_popescu: like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo
ThickAsThieves: but potheads also love bitcoin
decimation: actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw
mircea_popescu: if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter
mircea_popescu: as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled
mircea_popescu: they are going to lose fucking control of that place.
mircea_popescu: decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words.
ThickAsThieves: The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized.
decimation: I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein
copumpkin: anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages?
ninjashogun: e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem?
ninjashogun: so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely?
mircea_popescu: ya but it's probably not in the wot.
asciilifeform: there's a better one somewhere
moiety: sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur
mircea_popescu: no, i guess not in the head.
benkay`: mircea_popescu "not in the head!"
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw.
ninjashogun: more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way.
kakobrekla: (he used 'fucked in the head')
benkay`: well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was
benkay`: can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means
mircea_popescu: when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would they know.
asciilifeform: interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd
ninjashogun: company then
KRS-One: afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.
ninjashogun: so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration)
KRS-One: I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand)
KRS-One: mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works.
mircea_popescu: the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted.
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1
mircea_popescu: elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse
mircea_popescu: When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr
moiety: i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole.
mircea_popescu: when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way
mircea_popescu: there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field
asciilifeform: true, there are '+EV' armies
asciilifeform: i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn
mircea_popescu: perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power
mircea_popescu: or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it
mircea_popescu: ok, so going to the university has a cost.
mircea_popescu: as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari"
mircea_popescu: but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ?
mircea_popescu: you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe.
mircea_popescu: moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron
moiety: mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron.
moiety: like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that
moiety: it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.
moiety: BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in
benkay`: i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang
mircea_popescu: i hate the java machine bullcrap
benkay`: asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in"
benkay`: advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java
benkay`: so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow
benkay`: they know not to get involved
mircea_popescu: the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts.
benkay`: most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...
mircea_popescu: well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something.
BingoBoingo: moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site?
benkay`: also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz
asciilifeform: the one that drinks
mircea_popescu: benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone.
mircea_popescu: -assets : the gift that keeps on giving
ninjashogun: I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now.
ninjashogun: what have they done to that poor site
ninjashogun: dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077
benkay`: the left, for sure.
ninjashogun: and did you stay there or emigrate?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price?
ninjashogun: I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.
ninjashogun: I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)
BingoBoingo: Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy
mircea_popescu: like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.
BingoBoingo: Which links to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/
ninjashogun: well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.
ninjashogun: yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting.
mircea_popescu: i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article
ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
ninjashogun: For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.
ninjashogun: benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.
mircea_popescu: benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.
mircea_popescu: the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it
mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with clicking the link ?
ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
asciilifeform: good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers
asciilifeform: 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci
mircea_popescu: anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza
moiety: mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html
asciilifeform: PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me
asciilifeform: PARRY: I went to the races.
asciilifeform: eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink)
mircea_popescu: wasn't it the schizzo ?
asciilifeform: there we go
asciilifeform: to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)
moiety: honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks
nubbins`: if it was 3 they'd round it to 5
moiety: reminds me of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10000332/Daughter-takes-fathers-ashes-to-bank-to-prove-he-is-dead.html
Namworld: the last part wasn't said.
mircea_popescu: what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ?
nubbins`: they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything.
mircea_popescu: lmao they said that ?!
ninjashogun: I extend the apologies of
everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country, he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny."
mircea_popescu: i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then
nubbins`: two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny
nubbins`: also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons
moiety: you just gave me the answer!
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway
mircea_popescu: you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.
asciilifeform: easier project, for complete beginner, then
asciilifeform: use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is)
ninjashogun: Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange
asciilifeform: moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?)
moiety: erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD
mircea_popescu: so then work it that way. build an exchange
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :)
mircea_popescu: the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling
asciilifeform: well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer
mircea_popescu: "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences.
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples.
moiety: mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book
mircea_popescu: i wonder what css is then