ThickAsThieves: the more numbers included in posts, more trust
mircea_popescu: all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about.
lalusch: yea they do
ThickAsThieves: Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul.
mike_c: no reason for it to "crash" more than the dividend payment.
lalusch: giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume
lalusch: but actually this makes them even more credible for me
mircea_popescu: all they do is crap like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5224850#msg5224850
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mircea_popescu: the entire thing just melds into one big scam
lalusch: Would anyone be so kind and give me a link to information on the Scharmbeck scam? lost track of this whole thing about a month ago
ozbot: Overstock CEO Expects Bitcoin Derivatives - TheStreet
ThickAsThieves: http://www.thestreet.com/story/12509084/1/overstock-ceo-expects-bitcoin-derivatives.html
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the future use of all the two bit scammers i nthe history of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: I thought I was reading the script for a bad cop movie. Did the government use a plea agreement to force Charno to help the government capture drug reps that he had never even met?
mircea_popescu: The third witness presented by the United States Government was the confidential informant, Dr. Steven Charno. After pleading guilty to medical insurance fraud stemming from his criminal act of filing fraudulent medical insurance bills in the amount of $821,000.00, Dr. Charno cooperated with the United States Government against Alfred Caronia.
mircea_popescu: The trick was, Dr. Charno was actually a government informant. That's odd. And I have never heard of a doctor who requested a promotional speech. He cold called a rep he had never met and asked to meet him to discuss a drug he had never prescribed?
mircea_popescu: Dr. Gleason eventually came, and, in the presence of Caronia, had a discussion with Dr. Charno about off-label uses for Xyrem (insomnia, restless legs, etc). Is Caronia responsible? Should he have stopped Gleason? The court said yes, and convicted him.
mircea_popescu: On October 26, 2005, [drug rep] Mr. Caronia went to Dr. Charno's office. He had never met Dr. Charno before, nor had any previous contact with him but for the phone calls from Dr. Charno seeking a promotional speech. During the meeting, Dr. Charno repeatedly asked Mr. Caronia off-label questions and asked to meet Dr. Gleason [a speaker for the company.]
mircea_popescu: so it's one of the few happy stories in btcland
mircea_popescu: benkay nenver underestimate the advantage of a harem of slaves.
BingoBoingo: So since Arscoin is Webwallet only... How long until CondeNast goes Inputs.io? http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/digging-for-cryptocurrency-the-newbies-guide-to-mining-altcoins/
ThickAsThieves: Since Feb 28, 2013 until Feb 26, 2014, ASICMiner has paid out over the past year:
mircea_popescu: benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books
benkay: mp caved on the coin v scam situation
mircea_popescu: update the updater
chetty: Three third-grade students at a Sonora elementary school were busted for smoking pot in the schools bathroom last week.
chetty: eeww just the name makes me queasy
asciilifeform: * there i was
asciilifeform: damn, there was, going 'hedsoff.com'...
chetty: will do asciilifeform, probably a couple days, must draw out the drama
mircea_popescu: chetty obviously. they had to be pretty fucking stupid to not realise that "independent" military has no problem doing it.
asciilifeform: chetty: wake me up for the beheading vid.
ThickAsThieves: The derp compounds
ThickAsThieves: "Using a technology called Mastercoin, the Goxcoin people would mint a brand new digital currency"
mircea_popescu: this is an ancient greek idea. careful what you say for the gods may be short of inspiration
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see ? the real nsa is always listening.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah they got bailed in
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: Iota and Jot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: how you know the author lives in a fascist state.
mircea_popescu: "These flaws were discovered passively using the information which was returned by the web server following a normal request. I have not exploited any of the holes found."
mircea_popescu: by the time which is done... well... good luck.
mircea_popescu: which requires them acquire proficiency in a number of porriges
mircea_popescu: because most children' maturation requires they become socially inserted
mircea_popescu: but thats quite besides the point
asciilifeform: any child who played 'mad libs' (or whatever it's called on the other side of the atlantic today) can understand 'lambda'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, explain something truely basic, like say lambda, to the basic crowd.
mircea_popescu: they're all complex porrige of many things.
mircea_popescu: compare basic and lisp. there is NOTHING basic about any one basic instruction
mircea_popescu: yeah, they would.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic so let the mass think it has power, and then get indignant whenever mpoe-pr shows up.
asciilifeform: this also works at the turd stand
mircea_popescu: adding to that : generally at the fruit stand, the peaches which have all the bugs swarming in are the best.
Mats_cd03: many people need structured learning to progress further
Apocalyptic: "<QuantumQrack> No, I'm saying the true leaders have massive power. But in a cryptocurrcency wold....the mass has the power."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the same sense using bitcoin "written" by the sadly famous taaki doesn't bother me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read some old posts this morning. you are using 'crystal space' - written by the sadly famous taaki ? this does not bother you ?
Mats_cd03: im all for the beauty of discovery, hacking, and all that
mircea_popescu: also, i'm with Mats_cd03. asciilifeform's ideas are tailored for the 1%. nttawwt, but kind-of dangerous if you're not in.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu Pity the US wasn't keeping it all in #Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu So has the #ImpotentAlliance invaded the Ukraine Soviet Republic yet or we still talkin' ?
deadweasel: then again, i'm not 'savvy'
deadweasel: i agree on all counts, but it's not to say you can't comb the logs for some direction.
Mats_cd03: i lurk there and i rarely see any good conversation
deadweasel: what's everyone's take on the folks at ##security?
r3wt: thanks for the advice Mats_cd03
Mats_cd03: thats what the foundational books are for
Apocalyptic: do as in solving and creating the challenges
Apocalyptic: I used to do a lot of crackmes back in the days
Mats_cd03: going from php to lua is an odd choice and doesnt inspire anyone with confidence in your ability to secure their funds
mircea_popescu: and then pretending like this is a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: i mean this is total libertard school of denial. it just so happens that theft, drugs and techno-wizardry is the EXACT recipe of mainstream worship
mircea_popescu: but the cock is going in.
mircea_popescu: s now synonymous with theft, drugs, and techno-wizardry. These impressions do not a global currency make."
mircea_popescu: "Partly this is because lawmakers and regulators, spooked by early hype and the Mt. Gox disaster, are never going to afford Bitcoin services the kind of autonomy they'd need in order to flourish. Partly it's because there are conceptual problems with the Bitcoin architecture itself. And partly it's because Bitcoin's anarchic roots are too fringe to draw in the masses. In the mind of the average American, the currency i
ozbot: The Doomsday Cult of Bitcoin -- Daily Intelligencer
mircea_popescu: althcare?" Well, lieutenant, pronounced like I'm a British naval commander, if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it.
mircea_popescu: Someone stupid will ask me this: "then why doesn't Medicaid just offer a billing code for "need three evaluations, but likely no diagnosis?" Because if Fox News got wind that Obama was paying for black people to get "no diagnosis" they'd blow up an abortion clinic. Paying for "temper tantrums" is just the right amount of enraging, TV and internet enraging, no violence will occur. "Isn't this why we need universal he
jcpham: i thought we were talking about the worst music videos ever
nubbins`: i was about halfway through my first viewing before i stopped laughing at the video and realized the song was awesome ;(
jcpham: because i saw the video
jcpham: without the video, if i only heard it I would think it sucked less than i now think
jcpham: sometimes i look at these trust graphs and ratings and i see emotion
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r3wt shuns himself in the corner for 10 minutes
r3wt: i'm not banned, just banned from askign questions. look at the first two questions i asked and it should be all you need to know
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does one get banned on stack overflow
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jcpham backs away from the keyboard
punkman1: php.net has all the examples you need
artifexd: r3wt You're asking programming questions in a channel about investing. Stackoverflow would be a good place to find answers to the type of questions you're asking.
r3wt: i have one question. is mysqli safe enough or should i go for the pdo extension?
r3wt: trading is closed for now, this is my goal for the day. learn to use prepared statements and replace them throughout the site.
ThickAsThieves: r3wtm the problem is you are a noob voluntering to be responsible with people's money, which noobness, particularly of the programmer variety, is least qualified to do
r3wt: but yeah, i can shut the exchange down at anytime
Diablo-D3: r3wt: what the fuck is your company
Apocalyptic: r3wt, somehow since mcxnow came with the idea now it's seems to be a trend
r3wt: we have a few offers, none of them very good but i'm examining my options.
ThickAsThieves: no one will accept an OpenEx IPO right now, other than CryptoStocks
jcpham: i'm teasing but at least you got the reference
Apocalyptic: among other things
Apocalyptic: in the way you get a contract, shares are traded on an 3rd party platform hopefully better built and you got access to liquidity you don't have at your exchange ?
Diablo-D3: its not worth the trouble
r3wt: Apocalyptic, i was talking about his securities exchange. i'm talking about the negative stigma associated with bitcoin ipo's
jcpham: if i send monies will you thern reinvest my monies in riskier ventures
r3wt: unfortunately yes. that's why i'm here. i know mircea_popescu probably knows how to teach me to do it the right way
punkman1: r3wt: so are you currently smashing strings together to make SQL?
r3wt: how does one "IPO on MPEX" and what are the benefits of doing so?
r3wt: bootstrap is for the design challenged
Mats_cd03: did you use bootstrap for the frontend
r3wt: still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production.
ThickAsThieves: sorry, he's the one sharing it
Apocalyptic: <r3wt> i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php // what happened to the LUA version ?
chetty: Former IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the Fifth right now. <<< again
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i was shocked at the trilema link
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, no the quotes are from Hearn
mircea_popescu: pretty much the foundation halmark. it's due to the failure modes of the ycombinated mind.
Apocalyptic: yeah don't focus on how shit has to be done, focus on the people fss !
Apocalyptic: I see a powerfull parallel with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ here
Apocalyptic: "The user experience must be incredibly simple", "The main justification for this design choice is usability. In the same way that security cannot be bolted on at the last minute, the reverse also holds — you can’t bolt usability on to a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind"
asciilifeform: chetty: beautifully described in 'The Art of Not Being Governed', J. C. Scott
chetty: http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/12/16/florida-city-evicting-woman-for-living-off-the-grid/
ThickAsThieves: i dont even know what a SSL really does, nor am I a programmer, but I have successfully purchased and installed one on a system I advised the client was not really secure
chetty: A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances.
mike_c: the bullshit per line in that article is astounding.
asciilifeform: they're experts at vacuuming $$$$$
mike_c: "being a CA involves tedious, mind-numbingly repetitive yet security critical work that unpaid volunteers are ill equipped to do well. " has he ever gone through the process of getting a SSL cert?? they don't do shit.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, thanks for the link
ThickAsThieves: "CIA officers allegedly hacked into the US Senate Intelligence Committee's computers to find out what the oversight committee had found out about its controversial detention and treatment of terror suspects."
asciilifeform: the traditional de-colonialization move from imposed to... self-imposed
ThickAsThieves: "We’ve gone through 100 years of imposed poverty. That’s the fight we’re having"
ThickAsThieves: trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. "
ThickAsThieves: "Anyone can buy or sell the currency, but the Lakota are keeping half of it in reserve in order to prevent the wild speculation that has caused Bitcoin such price volatility. ... After an hour of questions, Harris thanked the small crowd and was promptly accosted by a tall man and a woman in red who wanted to buy some MazaCoin, which Harris was selling for 10 cents apiece. The two
ThickAsThieves: before he takes the bitcoin jesus torch
mircea_popescu: there are 2 sorts of people in this world, and they're made apparent by the reaction to the statement "few understand this"
asciilifeform: 'Its not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as youd need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, itd be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this
asciilifeform: 'Usability studies have shown nobody outside of the tiny security community understands the web of trust or how to use it.'
asciilifeform: 'SSL is one of very few crypto systems thats in daily usage by hundreds of millions of people. Remarkably, it seems that governments have not compromised the infrastructure.'
asciilifeform: (but not in the u.s. media, unsurprisingly.)
mircea_popescu: the tape is news.
chetty: well the tape is news :P
chetty: The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.
mircea_popescu: soo apparently the niagara has frozxen over
punkman1: "Since the code is obfuscated, would it be possible to monitor the web traffic going out from the wallet to make sure it never sends private keys anywhere?"
ThickAsThieves: i saw no other outcome
ThickAsThieves: i had bet yes on the areolacoin bet btw
punkman1: "COMRADE crypto movement designed to replicate the economic tactics used by the Comrade leaders of the USSR to rise the Soviet Union from the Ashes to what become the most powerful nation in the world (at the time)."
mircea_popescu: THE SUPERBLY GRANDIOSE WUNDERBARS
punkman1: "-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS"
punkman1: these guys want 0.1btc to let you mine or something
punkman1: the MinerTokens
punkman1: "Our minerrigs will be avaible for rent from launch. A total of 1.6 Gh scrypt will be rentet out for 50,000 MTK/Mh/day. When your total rent pass 1000 Mh you will be the legal owner of a 5Mh rig. You can then chose to continue let us host it and get 80% of the rentalprofit or you can get it shipped to your door"
punkman1: there's like 3 dozen altcoin "exchanges" ready to add any random scamcoin
mircea_popescu: by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality.
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BingoBoingo: That example I linked in the logs is poorly structured, and in sports betting the actual likely best case is a 30%loss.
BingoBoingo: The challenge in BTC right now is that the only instrument which has really sustained honest loses is the MPOE bond
MisterE: but I'll read the log give me a few
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Like staking sports betting, Similar to how poker is staked. The challenge is doing it in a way that the staked party can't fake the results into an honest looking loss.
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MisterE: dunno wtf people were expecting... Magic The Gathering cards for everyone who had BTC in Gox...
MisterE: they are an exchange now
MisterE: I'm still in the black but...
MisterE: had no business in there
Duffer1: the alt coin market cap bet?
kakobrekla: he is talking about THE current bet Duffer1
Duffer1: bigblx do you have a link for the bet you're talking about?
kakobrekla: by pressing on the button :)
Duffer1: how are you creating the dot?
BigBlx: did you guys resolve the aurora/litecoin bet?
ozbot: Leancy - Allegedly hacked by their host - Avoid deposits
mircea_popescu: and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case.
kakobrekla: ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick.
mircea_popescu: anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all.
kakobrekla: cept the dots.
asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'
asciilifeform: there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:
mircea_popescu: brb gathering dots.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu do the dot test
mircea_popescu: at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise.
mircea_popescu: either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets.
mircea_popescu: do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ?
asciilifeform: thermonuke without fissiles
asciilifeform: (not necessarily of the controlled kind)
asciilifeform: Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring.
asciilifeform: locklin is off the mark
mircea_popescu: jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal.
asciilifeform: idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet.
asciilifeform: 'Two NIF whistleblowers who didnt die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).'
mircea_popescu: incredibly arrogant these schmucks
mircea_popescu: do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ?
asciilifeform: that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd'
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?)
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mircea_popescu: then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award.
asciilifeform: . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything Ive heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.'
asciilifeform: 'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didnt know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasnt into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This
really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldnt work (or that the director didnt have a Ph.D.)
ThickAsThieves: re: why there are no female rappers
benkay`: curse of the web, kakobrekla
ThickAsThieves: Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry."
ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/04/285887838/teen-sues-parents-claiming-they-owe-her-money-for-college
decimation: maybe they can monetize retweets
ThickAsThieves: twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board
mircea_popescu: i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter.
ThickAsThieves: Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on http://fntx.co/OGu8iV pic.twitter.com/eFSyHooy8a
mircea_popescu: perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think
mircea_popescu: alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid.
mircea_popescu: is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery
Duffer1: just searched the church in stick of truth
asciilifeform: quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off
mircea_popescu: a so good then