BingoBoingo: Thermos is mentioned on page 39
ThickAsThieves: the wya he tells it
artifexd: "I lent 202000 bitcoins to Mr. Big Man and never got them back" <- LOL
ThickAsThieves: they start antagonizing him over why he didn't perform days worth of computing analysis on the blockchain to provide more useful data
benkay: "If you can adjust the price of bitcoin on your own through some market manipulation after you get them back from Big One, what do Big One's promises about what the price of bitcoin is on Mt. Gox matter?"
BingoBoingo: Well, Moustakiswas the one to Bring up Gibson's last name, and the cubby white kid known as Goat is only refered to as Chaang Noi as far as I have made it so far.
ThickAsThieves: well how much would it have cost him back then
benkay: "Bitstamp, you're now the replacement to MtGox. Don't screw this up."
ThickAsThieves: but what's interesting to us might be other stiff
benkay: where does the good stuff start, ThickAsThieves?
copumpkin: but I don't give my passwords out and would be weirded out by someone else giving me their
ThickAsThieves: but that the records are generally accurate
ThickAsThieves: he mentions he used your account for other things
copumpkin: I haven't gotten there yet :P
ThickAsThieves: wow they go thru every single pirate account holder one at a time...
BingoBoingo is tired of Scribd, digs out the old PACER login
BingoBoingo: We might have to rent a Llama for all of the drama
BingoBoingo: "No, it is just a certification company where you have to take the tests to become certified"
kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time
Duffer1: it's the shavers testimony
BingoBoingo: Wait, is there trouble in veggie prison?
BigBlox: thanx kakobrekla and mike_c in the place to be!
ozbot: The first line of defence is taken
mike_c: i had the wrong time. it actually looks like you were late
Duffer1: the buttcoin article i mea
BigBlox: other than that i'm not sure what i can give you :/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu put the whip back in.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu get the whip out.
Duffer1: prove you bet before the outcome was known, regardless of when bet closed
BigBlox: what can i provide? my bet went live on the ledger on the 3rd? you guys kept the bet live until today, not sure how that isn't enough
BigBlox: on the comments
BigBlox: the site says the bets are resolved hours after, if i bet on the 3rd and it was resolved today, then isnt that automatically legit?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course this is the SEC
BigBlox: i mean the bet showed up on the ledger, then the next day on the 4th i emailed, does that count or can i show you an email with the time and date?
BigBlox: oh before, i have shots of the time after it passed, how can i get that?
ThickAsThieves: "The Fed is using curent exchange rates (3/3/14) to say investors were defrauded of $149 million"
kakobrekla: then provide the necessary evidence that aurora indeed aurora had not yet crossed litecoin mkt cap at 03-03-14 05:55 (it doesnt matter when you send it, it matters when you are confirmed)
BigBlox: i mean i'm glad i got my refund, not trying to be a drama queen, but i was surprised i didnt win since i was the one asking, since the 3rd
BigBlox: i actually didnt know if it was going to but i believed in aurora from the get go so i was pretty sure :)
BingoBoingo: BigBlox: Yeah, you bet after things were know it seems, but before they had yet to be resolved. Tis a dangerous time to bet
BigBlox: heres the date: 03-03-14 05:55
Duffer1: perhaps you tried to send btc after the result was known but bet wasn't closed yet
BigBlox: the auroracoin bet :/
kakobrekla: which bet is that can you give a link pointing to a bet in the list of accepted bets
BigBlox: k, well basically i entered the altcoin bet, that was to overtake litecoin, i said yes, i emailed and was told it was a scam, i said i didnt agree, specifically said i didnt want to cancel my bet, and it was still cancelled
BigBlox: are there any bitbets mods here?
BigBlox: hi, yes mods, they sent me here
bitcoinpete: As much as I'd love to keep earning brownie points by chatting instead of just reading the logs like I do the scrolls, it's time to go for tonight. Cheers y'all
BingoBoingo: An exercise in "Contracts" http://deadspin.com/cortland-finnegan-uses-twitter-to-tell-the-rams-hes-le-1537223208
ThickAsThieves: if yer gonna bank, bank there :)
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: See the Yes bet on February 23rd http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/
BingoBoingo: Most good Bitbets have at least 5 or 50 secret subbets tucked into them though
ThickAsThieves: or even say, if Bitstamp is no longer trading 500btc per day, then this bet resolves as No
ThickAsThieves: so add if/thens
BingoBoingo: Well, the WSJ is blacklisted as is Coinmarket.BBQ
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: The problem with betting on the etherial is where to source the information
ThickAsThieves: then crash again in winter
ThickAsThieves: we'll consolidate, everyone will be like oh now that bitcoin is stable it's so great, then July/Aug, liftoff to like $3000+
bitcoinpete: That would make quite the bitbet
BingoBoingo: People start talking in hushed tones about that time when they once controlled a WHOLE Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: From that point BTC price becomes truly etherial
bitcoinpete: On the exchange side, that leaves a couple Canadians, CaVirtex mostly, with a sprinkling of Quadriga and Vault of Satoshi.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are worse things to step in than shit.
cads: the device is a wearable rapsberry pi PC case with an eyeglass display
BingoBoingo: Ah there it is
cads: I know how to sell basic drafting services, but I need to sell some product/industrial design services and I'm not sure how to price it to the client
asciilifeform: there are so many blanks for imagination to fill in, you'll mostly be reading the contents of the blanks.
asciilifeform: more or less unreadable - as they tend to be, using 1000s of terms known only to the dead man
asciilifeform: if you don't believe this, get thee to a dusty book store and buy bucky fuller's 'synergetics' I and II
cazalla: in the binders full of crackpot writings as you mentioned
asciilifeform: the most one can hope for is to get one or two major ideas 'out'
cazalla: i wonder if people are testing his hypothesis
asciilifeform: the greatest heroes who ever lived, who none of us are fit even to be beheaded by, had terrible signal-to-noise ratios
asciilifeform: re: invention, for the impatient:
asciilifeform: heaviside, the fellow who turned maxwell's equations from 23 in about that many unknowns, into the 4 that we learn in school.
asciilifeform: they just publish everything
asciilifeform: some 'idea people' don't have these 'coffin liner' binders
asciilifeform: because the real demented folks inevitably pick it up and add flourishes of their own
asciilifeform: e.g. karl friedrich gauss had a big fat binder that contained, among other things, both types of non-euclidean geometry.
asciilifeform: when these get published posthumously, quite a bit of strange is revealed
asciilifeform: another similar, but distinct phenomenon is
asciilifeform: the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks.
asciilifeform: when they become anxious to carry out a 'last hurrah,'
asciilifeform: another thing about aging inventors
asciilifeform: rather, this is more like the folks who send binders full of crackpot proofs to maths profs today
kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years
asciilifeform: end up flying off untethered into strange
asciilifeform: the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another)
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the whole piece aint bad
asciilifeform: *they are
asciilifeform: useful idiots do not need to know who they soldiers for.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: if you think that the enemy is foolish, and has no plan, this is a dangerous mistake: he is clever and knows the ancient chinese formula 'Yi yi zhi yi' (以夷治夷 ?) - 'control the barbarians using barbarians.'
jborkl: Went to the bitcoin conference today, figured might as well since it is here at home
bitcoinpete: On the recent Flexcoin oopsie. He's a local kid, met him a few months back.
asciilifeform: he's #2 on my list of folks who probably had the waveguide motor. (after the obvious candidate nick t.)
bitcoinpete: Still Samsung, so how do they unroot?
ozbot: The 'Snowden Phone' Will Encrypt All Your Calls and Texts
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If the text in question was http://www.roadsolutions.ox.ac.uk/ I have it sitting on a shelf
GNULinuxGuy: has there been some news about neobee recently or something?
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as security for dummies
deadweasel: oh man, this thing is dead to me already. i have the log. fuck it.
Mats_cd03: i think the community needs it
deadweasel: mpoe-pr should do it along with all her other womanly duties.
deadweasel: ummm, there might be a few more requirements
Mats_cd03: whichever of you has been here the longest and is unemployed
Mats_cd03: someone in this channel could write the book
deadweasel: depends on the editing, but you have a point
deadweasel: it's all in the editing.
mircea_popescu: i never heard anyone rejecting a book idea on the grounds that goats wouldn't read it.
deadweasel: considering what the forum consumes, i think it'd be a hit.
Mats_cd03: i promise you once the average person sees the word cryptography theyre going to put the book down
deadweasel: everyone deserves a shot, no? plus, she may write the story so well you want to fuck her.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile,
mircea_popescu: i guess you gotta do something with the ones not pretty enough to dance nude in the street.
deadweasel: no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed.
mircea_popescu: it's hopeless, there's like 10-20k pages already
deadweasel: frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel this is like the 3rd time today you know
benkay: another one of yours, mircea_popescu?
deadweasel: mod6: that article is so full of misrepresentations and misunderstandings... there isn't anything there. at all.
nubbins`: i pity the poor fucker who ends up answering
ozbot: WWW: Women Weave the Web Campaign Prizes and Opportunities | World Pulse
BingoBoingo: The Circus bsns
bitcoinpete: branson seems more to invite other entrepreneurs to start companies and rent the virgin name
mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno how much stock i can put in your branson=businessman theory
deadweasel: course I only go there when links are dropped here for humor.
deadweasel: the forums are festering with it
deadweasel: hey I heard you like socks, so I put some sock in your sock, on some socks. they're in your laundry basket. derp.
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? /// i'm not sure i even understand what that is. The thread isn't moderated, but maybe someone reported a sock ot something? I had the poster on ignore already fwiw
bitcoinpete: probably why the tata nano failed
asciilifeform: no one bothers to laugh at chinese moto-rickshaw, because it doesn't pretend to be a car
Namworld: If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally.
bitcoinpete: like the CarPlay thing
asciilifeform: rather, because it was a car for people who can't afford car.
mircea_popescu: so the owner is a trabambourgher ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i spilled. trabambourghini is like the best car name ever
asciilifeform: in the link
mike_c: very cool. love the keyboard shortcuts.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wait what's the new piece ?
bitcoinpete: and ty kindly for the "subscriptions" mention
ThickAsThieves: which if they succeed might just result in the discriminating colleges using more discriminating methods
ThickAsThieves: they want to shake it up by maksing that it exists
mike_c: start smacking rich kids in the head on birth?
asciilifeform: 'Experts say SAT scores have long been strongly correlated to family income, a dynamic the College Board hopes to shake up.'
the20year2: Well, otherwise it was about 100btc
the20year2: There's the final rehab video for a property we just got done. Total cost to investors was $62.5k
ThickAsThieves: “The clear use of dollar bills for transacting in illegal goods, anonymous transactions, tax fraud, and services or speculative gambling make me wary of their use. Before the United States gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans,” said Polis.
ThickAsThieves: As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.”
ThickAsThieves: "Its creator, who goes under the pseudonym of Baldur Friggjar Odinsson,"
BingoBoingo: I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao
ThickAsThieves: cmon now "(This ranking excludes the digital currency Ripple, whose market cap of $1.6 billion does not make for a fair comparison. Most ripple coins are retained by the issuing entity under a centrally managed model that’s very different from the decentralized networks employed by other alt.coins.)"
mircea_popescu: yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS
BingoBoingo: This socialwebtwatter BBQ is really letting people lie far to much to themselves about their place.
BingoBoingo: It is one thing to leak the Petagon papers. It is a road further though to leak the Pentagon papers and run for President on the credentials of having leaked the Pentagon papers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the lulzy part is where he presents vouchings from... none other than... our friendly radiologist-in-training, one brian goss
benkay: "ethereum?" "scam!" "mastercoin?" "scam!" "let me guess - bitcoin foundation?" "SCAM!"
benkay: i had a lot of fun saying 'scam' at the local bitcoin enthusiast part last night
BingoBoingo: His reponse of aligning himself with still bigger idiots suggests further lulz ahead.
BingoBoingo: In other news Idiot aligns with Idiots, suprised when Idiot gets burned by fellow idiots http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/78609330103/the-btc-foundations-power-struggle
asciilifeform: (if i could sing it to you, this would be an engineering project rather than a flight of imagination.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Imitations, I.E they went to classical NSA approved competitor for device with a pretense of similar function
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: but were they controlled?!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cardanos? you clearly didn't read the intro carefully.
BingoBoingo: State courts in Texas, Montana, and California have decisions vacated after cheap imitation Cardonos were issued to justices and their keys were solved. The resolution of their forks is ongoing.
ozbot: Safety and Efficacy of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-Assisted P... : The Journal of Nervous and Ment
benkay: "What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship."
BingoBoingo: The supreme court accepted no cases the following term after the court's decision that paper on ink is not an adequate signature.
BingoBoingo: "Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution."
asciilifeform: wonder what the author of 'delivered' would answer to that.
asciilifeform: lessee who laughs then
asciilifeform: me neither
asciilifeform: benkay: what, Modified Karatsuba Anthem?
benkay: just the musical number.
asciilifeform: benkay: nothing surrealist or otherwise inaccessible sans-hallucinogens about the snippet above
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
benkay: you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers
asciilifeform: '... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.'
BingoBoingo: Probably have to be a pirate investment banker to remember all of the slurs
jcpham: if they really really knew gox was a shitshow 6 months ago...probably should've told someone
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
asciilifeform: '... the judge then ruled that the death of a keyholder at the hands of his fork is to be considered 'assisted suicide.' when he finished belting out the last verse of Modified-Karatsuba Anthem, his secretary drew her Nagant... '
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to the forum. MPOE is our most accomplished scumbag, a rumored child pornographer and a confirmed idiot. His business model is simple-minded: talk shit about everyone else to avoid scrutiny. Because he has no dignity or good breeding, he basically sells stock in himself, a sadistic, sexually confused Romanian Mafia reject. Anything he says can be disregarded, you won't miss anything valuable."
asciilifeform: for the aficionados: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/chronology-of-ukrainian-coup.html
BingoBoingo: Does the dollars origin really matter?
nubbins` scrolls back in search of the bit he missed
mircea_popescu: and then obama has to ask mp's permission on irc to do shit ?
asciilifeform: then go and prove that you didn't
asciilifeform: nubbins`: if you refuse to buy a Boeing, some other fellow gets to, in your name
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you know the reason
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. <<< nod
asciilifeform: 'there were five contending forks; two boys clutching old-fashioned xerox copies and ...'
asciilifeform: * musical interlude * - 2047: mr. barack hussein IV was six foot tall at the time of his coronation, but lost his key - inscribed on a napkin - and unfortunately / bifurcated / two years later. he is now five foot eight, half-chinese, with a red beard.'
nubbins`: generally fulfillment companies have a forum presence, will be interesting to see if they respond there
asciilifeform: where if someone has your key, / they are now legally you /
nubbins`: already talking with my voice, too -- just blasted them on one of the bigger t-shirt printing forums
asciilifeform: it's also the fact that the alternative is a mercilessly-cryptographic concept of identity
asciilifeform: it isn't just the fact that money lenders like that, though i refuse to borrow a million, some other fellow can swipe my driver's license and do it for me
nubbins`: i'm giving them one more chance before i issue a chargeback
asciilifeform: quite a few people don't seem to understand the implications
nubbins`: when i inquired about a partial refund, they offer me $20
nubbins`: lel, so we outsourced some printing to this company in california. 14% of the order is missing when it arrives -- no explanation, no "we'll get the rest sent out soon", just numbers changed with a pen on the packing slip. i emailed company, they say "oh sorry -- we'll get the rest to you by march 24"
asciilifeform: there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything.
asciilifeform: they STILL do not wish to use security << re: Target ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c finding a way to paper over the fact that they STILL do not wish to use security is going to take some effort.
mircea_popescu: wanna understand why the finance people keep falling out of windows ?
mike_c: basically everyone in the US got issued new credit cards after that one.
mircea_popescu: mike_c didn't they recently lose a db ?
mircea_popescu: lalusch yeah but still there should be a "no later than 5th of the month" or something
mircea_popescu: methinks ThickAsThieves is a little jaded these days
lalusch: deadweasel, must have gotten me wrong. I did not mean the bitcointalk thread