mircea_popescu: well, either that or magically all kids suddenly need ritalin.
mircea_popescu: virtually all data fugded by post 1950 us pseudoscience on the topic says random stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: some random drunk randomly hitting some kid is absolutely not within the scope of this discussion.
mircea_popescu: but as an exercise : consider whether you're randomly lumping together beating children with simple abuse, as a sort of strawman argument.
midnightmagic: No, there isn't.
mircea_popescu: quite the contrary evidence abounds.
mircea_popescu: no, actually, there is an endless record of evidence that it does. what there's no evidence for is that not beating them is sustainable.
chetty: depends on the child, some actually need it
midnightmagic: There is virtually all the evidence that says that *not* beating them but maintaining discipline helps.
midnightmagic: irl. There is virtually no evidence at all that beating children helps.
midnightmagic: children do better, perform better, respond better, and grow better when they aren't beaten.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for a total lulz : check out sec's own version of pgp, the pse : http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix064/891166/0000898432-05-000712.txt
chetty: I wonder if much of the animosity between tea party and occupy could be simply smell?
mircea_popescu: which is why society naturally segregates. it's not that the upper class hates the lower class. it's just that the lower class... stinks.
jurov: well, once you keep yourself clean other people can start to smell horribly (applies to stupidity as well)
mircea_popescu: and so you understand both why you had to be beaten, and why you'll be beating the shit off your kids, too. so they don't end up like the retarded us scum.
mircea_popescu: you can make people do absolutely anything they should be doing, provided you're comitted to beating them to death if they do not, and start before they're 5.
B007: ofc you can't make people read if they dont want to
mircea_popescu: further proof that teaching kids to read and write is not either sufficient or particularly related to literacy.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno where you get the "civil proceedings" notions from.
mircea_popescu: if someone ends up disbared over pirate's dumb ass that'll be the lol of all time.
BingoBoingo: Well in this case I know a wife was active. My wife was missing. I however do not know that any wife of mine was involved with any of these activities.
mircea_popescu: so basically all the aurora crap ACTUALLY WAS strictly intended to win the bitbet bet.
mircea_popescu: well no cause there isn't one.
BingoBoingo: You still wake up sometimes, don't you? You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lambs. And you think if you save poor Catherine, you could make them stop, don't you? You think if Catherine lives, you won't wake up in the dark ever again to that awful screaming of the lambs.
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BingoBoingo: http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-man-comes-around-lyrics-johnny-cash.html?ModPagespeed=noscript
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My list is comprable, but I the weight the "testimony" offer weighs so little on names I've assumed more guilty.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i just went through the list of names there, which remarkably i had pretty accurate to begin with. crossing out the outright liars, like psychological compulsive sort, and the idiots, you're left with maybe 2-3 names
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm not opposed to it, but am not in a huge rush to spend my time on it either :) and would rather it be done in a formal setting so someone else can take care of summarizing/transcribing it :P
mircea_popescu: seeing how rthis topic is bitcoin, it kind-of trumps any other topic, even if some other topic may offer the illusion of importance.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Given the nothingness published pre-August2012 publishing means little. "Shall be delivered"
copumpkin: I don't see what the benefit would be
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: DO a writeup in the next couple weeks, GPG sign it
copumpkin: given how much the fucker talks about me
copumpkin: I'm sure if this goes anywhere serious they'll call on me to testify
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: My time is probably the least valuable, but your insight is probably the most.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin you're in a very good position because you have the skill and the experience.
copumpkin: I'm sure you can find someone with less valuable time to summarize the shit
mircea_popescu: for "the community", or w/e you call it.
mircea_popescu: srsly, it's the best thing you can do right now.
copumpkin: I'd rather sleep
mircea_popescu: how about you make a full length treatment of the whole thing, with notes ?
copumpkin: well, I read the whole thing, not sure carefully fits
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I dunno, there were several pretty awkward moments when it was clear he'd been caught in a lie
mircea_popescu: which says, don't mess with the stupid, his brain's well rested.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin no, not for both of them. romanian expression is "nu te pune cu prostu' c-are mintea odihnita"
copumpkin: moustakis had to stay focused to catch all the crap the guy was saying, and I'm sure pirate was in overdrive trying to crank out more crap
mircea_popescu: it's like you sign up to be a chiropractor, and you end up sent to practice in the loony bin
copumpkin: must've been exhausting for both of them
BingoBoingo: Document one was the lulzier doc
copumpkin: I liked the bit where they said "so wait, your company folded and you're in trouble now because someone screwed you out of 202k coins, and you forget who that someone is?"
mircea_popescu: that's some epic shit right there.
mircea_popescu: "Pirate: And when I find that information, I will give you the updated information and show you that this was not a Ponzi scam. Just give me time. I promise you."
mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?q=Mercedes-Benz+E+230+(W210)&complete=0 << that, for instance, is imo one of the best cars ever made.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll keep driving the shitty family sedan. No one suspects...
mircea_popescu: (and my zipper's not done in that shot, either)
copumpkin: mircea_popescu is too cool to drive, walks around with an open shirt on the street
BingoBoingo: Oh, the reasons I found a drive through miracle maker for my disorderly conduct misdemeanor, allegedly
copumpkin: they should ask the FBI for some of those SR coins and buy that mclaren that went up recently
copumpkin: and the guy is getting the SEC to drive him there in a car cause he doesn't have a car anymore
mircea_popescu: this is really the reason prosecutions are so successful in the us. it's not really some sort of nefarious police stat
mircea_popescu: (ie, there's an absolute lowest limit a judge'll allow for self-critting idiocy, otherwise anyone from the inner cities would be doing >9k years)
mircea_popescu: well actually... i think in his case the meth defense cuts in
copumpkin: I think he got himself into more trouble there than he would be in if he'd just admitted it
mircea_popescu: actually... he only came up with chaang noi after his 6 months of laying low for the bst to blow over.
copumpkin: I was amazed at how much crap he spewed in there
copumpkin: there was no way for pirate to think that goat's name is chaang noi :P
copumpkin: all over the placE :)
mircea_popescu: yes, but then pirate was an idiot.
copumpkin: lol, you google my nick my name is the first result
copumpkin: get with the times
BingoBoingo: Oh, and copumpkin was the doxxed one
mircea_popescu: A: And then $500 deposit from Imsaguy?
mircea_popescu: A: Because it wasn't on there. It wasn't on this database or on this website. It was tracked through a - what was that - not Sales Force. I can't remember the name of the website. It was something we just worked out together. And it has a lot of his transactions. This account looks mostly like my stuff.
mircea_popescu: A: Just an account used for basically his own lending account. They borrow coins real quickly to make cash transactions and stuff.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, baseball's saving grace is it mixes the randomness of dice with the potential for talent
cazalla: mircea_popescu: can i put that mention on my resume? seriously though, there is much to learn here for someone like me
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They might. For football it might be necessary. Actually the biggest PED among handegg players I've seen is the ganja.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if superbowl/whatever advertising sports will eventualyl run out of money so bad they'll add new rules such as "each player must drink twelve shots of vodka before going on the field"
mircea_popescu: but generally speaking, the dice model is the engine that can power a lot of cool applications down the road.
mircea_popescu: tbh i think dices have a future, but as backing for other services. they're currently exposed to the general public becaus e whatever, we're in the pdp and vax days over here.
mircea_popescu: obviously not the dice site's problem, but also kind-of dangerous for the random idiot.
mircea_popescu: this is actually a bit of a problem, people can sit down at their computer drunk as fuck and think hye, gamble my whole wallet on dice!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kakobrekla cazalla http://trilema.com/2014/hi-this-is-the-article-title/
moiety: he is very to-the-point, which = win
BingoBoingo: benkay is good at turning out the really pointed messages
moiety: ha i like the next one too
moiety: the wallet not so much, good article. i wouldn't have touched it with someone else's anyways
moiety: i heard they were wanting to make one but i didn't know it had come to fruition
benkay: they herd u liek crypto and obfuscated the source so they can steal your coins while you doge
benkay: hey moiety have you heard about the multicoin wallet?
moiety: is the GnuTLS bug old news too? im so slow
BingoBoingo: If only Dooglus ran this casino http://gawker.com/gambler-sues-casino-over-the-500-000-he-lost-while-bla-1537450594
moiety: how has there been a webz cat i didn't know about :o
Duffer1: the whole thread so far is fucking brilliant
moiety: the btctalk one ^
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sounds just about descriptive of the moss that's in between average joe's ears.
benkay: i think this is something the forum needs to be chumpatron'd with
benkay: If you are not in a desire to spit at me, you may even let your neighbor/friend or anyone to utilize the service and spit at me.
benkay: While chatting if your feelings are very strong, I may scream for you. Don't stop, continue till the session ends.
benkay: Your life will become beautiful. You get enormous energy. You will succeed in all your activities then.
benkay: Scold me, spit at me, and express all of your feelings. Use all the filthy words as you can. Once you have done, your mind is filtered out with all the frustrations.
benkay: Consider me representing the one who troubled you, or I'm the situation that made you into trouble.
benkay: This is the kind of service I'm offering here.
benkay: Most of the time people can't express their feelings. It has to be thrown out. Once it is thrown out, he/she feels light and refreshed.
Duffer1: "Whatever I talk, I do with you, for you must benefit you. Further, the funds you spend on my way to be purposefully utilized."
BingoBoingo: As a mentioned a while ago the best reason to bet on an outcome is to make the watching it more enjoyable
BingoBoingo: benkay: SOme bets can be plus EV, It is just there is a 2+ month wait between those.
BingoBoingo: A good portion of it is already in the logs
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mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust aethero
mircea_popescu: joecool course in fairness aethero is more like noted lunatic.
mircea_popescu: write for yourself, as your own thing. think of it as picking up women : you don't puick up women by picking up women, you pick up women by doing *any other thing*
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by the way, an important point : the reason the "media" sucks is not that they've sold out or follow external policies or w/e. it's that they are writing WITH THEIR READER IN MIND. the former then flows from this naturally, but it does not make a difference if you write with the reader in mind so as to advertise to it, or save its soul or merely inform it. it's all the same, and it's wrong.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user aethero: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 3 via 18 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012
joecool: ;;gettrust aethero
joecool: aethero still has great trust :P
HeySteve: I linked to MPOE-PR's Bitcoin Foundation thread, I think it's good they get called to account
joecool: aethero sure had a lot of figments of his imagination
benkay: there's a pretty hilarious interchange where Shavers says something retarded and the stooge asks "you're getting a job at support dot com, right?"
chetty: hmm I wonder, the SEC seems to be trying to imply that BigOne and #2 were the same person, wonder if they have somethiing there? If either one actually existed of course
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well then that's also illustrative :D
mircea_popescu: benkay ya but it has to be exhaustive for the thing to work, otherwise the narcissist self always cops out to "Well it was just some bits". and besides, weren't you coding ?
mircea_popescu: (the hidden benefit here is this : through curating it you expose your unknowledge to scrutiny, ie, if you cut out something that turns out to have been important you get to learn it was, and so fix your head)
mircea_popescu: i mean i used to think it's only the case for poor black people, lil wayne and whatnot. then i thought it's only the case for poor people generally. now i'm starting to think its simply what the murican male is. the us culture, if you will.
mircea_popescu: in the us tho, it's backwards, they do it as a joint venture. so are there no males in that country over the mental age of ~17 or what the fuck ?
mircea_popescu: in that you know, twentysomethings end up in troubkel all over the world, by virtue of being kids
mircea_popescu: you know it makes you wonder aboput the united states.
benkay: it's what he owes his father or uncle some money for
mircea_popescu: hay folks my name is james llc, for srs. let's do some business which then i'll pretend is covered by the company named after me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It took the SEC dude to throw out Giga's last name
mircea_popescu: "and do you watch seinfeld ?" "yes i do!" "do you understand anything ?" "well as much as anyone on the forum ever understands of what's going on before their eyes
Duffer1: and admitting to not reading the subpeona where it asks him to retain certain information..
benkay: mircea_popescu would have you believe representation is for the weak of mind, Duffer1
mircea_popescu: possibly worst legal strategy of the century award.
mircea_popescu: anyway, funny how this guy's brain works. so he gets summoned, and he responds. *then* he feigns to ignore further proceedings.
mircea_popescu: no, there's a difference.
benkay: if not last season's socks, a new seasons. what's the actual difference?
mircea_popescu: as they didn't previously.
benkay: oh, there won't be any more ponzi's in bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: because the scammer would have said "this time it's different", and the way the primate brain works that'd have been enough.
mircea_popescu: anyway, BingoBoingo : if i HAD done that, for all the laurels and glory (which no noobs can be bothered to even know about, so... it doesn't help THEM) the "community" of fucktards would have actually fallen for a much bigger ponzi much later,
mircea_popescu: takes someone A FEW MONTHS to catch up and spread the roots you know ?
BingoBoingo: But then you'd miss Harnet
mircea_popescu: you know i wasn't even there ;/
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Duffer1: vegas conference attendees as far as i saw /didn't read the whole thing though
moiety: seriously, this thing just gets better: "When it is threatened it raises and quivers the upper lip, Elvis like, revealing a large canine tooth."
moiety: i am officially in love. those cats are amazing, they havent changed!
BingoBoingo: That feral looks a lot my a friend's ex's cat, "Gracie" the beast was called
moiety: asciilifeform: lol the music makes that video. i like how the cat tried to take on the blanket
moiety: is the imgur one just a huge one?
asciilifeform: moiety: approx. the size of two regulation housecats.
moiety: i need to live there
asciilifeform: moiety: it's a big cat. lives in the steppes.
moiety: asciilifeform: that's the best cat ever! is it real?!
moiety: i think that last bait is the best one yet
benkay: great mangos there, too ^^
moiety: benkay: couple wee shits that were throwing tantrums at the old site are getting told to get to fuck from the new one :)
benkay: moiety they'll never appreciate any work you do for free
moiety: BingoBoingo: when we go to change it (we have doge drawings now); people complain as well. i think i'll get them to vote on it. and ew yes wet dog smell. fortunately, it doesn't rain much on the interwebz
moiety: i'm struggling with killing the cat, can't lie
BingoBoingo: Eh, looks the same.
moiety: what did you think apart from the dogers?
moiety: lol i am sorry ... i can't shut them up (good for me though)
BingoBoingo: moiety: Had to close the tab. Dogers were trying to talk to me.
BingoBoingo: joecool: How many links in the chain of eurocrats will protest though
BingoBoingo: joecool: Ask them to pay in BTC
joecool: man i wish the US would hire me to troll on IRC, just a few mil, i'd be down
BingoBoingo: Putin takes Crimea, Us does http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/state-department-cscc-troll-terrorists-twitter-think-again-turn-away
benkay: 5kbtc bet against the BCST scam and not in IRC?
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gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BingoBoingo: Expendables for the Mosin get expensive fast though http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=607
benkay: subject of, how's the promontory, BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Involvement of their products really is a prerequisite for a proper world war
BingoBoingo: The Kalishkinov been trendy for decades, but partisans have been using the Mossin Nagant for more than a century nao
benkay: i was thinking about the dick sucking, but let's not suffer nubbins` rendition of that, please.
BingoBoingo: Two wolf corner a sheep to poll what is for dinner, the sheep has a Nagant
benkay: "You have zero record of lending 202000 bitcoins to The Big One the second week of July, 2012; is that right?"
moiety: i do like the people (mostly) and i feel bad just disappearing, you know?
moiety: i did say no the first three or so times
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, the price was free for a reason
moiety: although it's doge, this one is going a lot better BingoBoingo .. it's like the start of cc again
moiety: i think i was the only one that couldnt say no
moiety: i thought you thought i should give up altogether on it
BingoBoingo: moiety: I would have said yes, seems like a decent investment for a joke coin. Especially if the gambling bots could be revived.
asciilifeform: moiety: the only minus is that it has to be built first
asciilifeform: moiety: the best alt is 'slavecoin'
moiety: just linked to it ThickAsThieves ... people were discussing what alt to get into, told them that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something lighter, more fungible. Book's to good to pull quotes from to use it for that even though the bulk and cover quality are more than adequate.
ThickAsThieves: <moiety> ThickAsThieves: you here? /// for the moment
moiety: whats ThickAsThieves's altcoin site again? bout to send folk there
benkay: he probably got taken to the cleaners by several different people several different ways
Duffer1: ya the "walked away with 202000" made me cringe
BingoBoingo: I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out, and kind of forgot what the x was...
BingoBoingo: If anyone else wants to read RTR I recommend starting with Chapter 29 and then moving to chapter one
benkay: (Iain M. Banks, The Algebraist)
ThickAsThieves: i just buy The Alchemist for people ;)
asciilifeform: damn i must've bought... 4... 5? copies of anathem
ThickAsThieves: Anathem ordered
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I actually have a copy of Mathematica from this Dubious "Edx" thing. Apparently it is some sort of mook for pushing software?
artifexd: Huh. I enjoyed Reamde. Especially the discussions of in-game economics.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: reamde was, imho, total garbage. i was about to lose respect for neal s, but then heard that it was actually written by a chum of his
benkay: Anathem over Gravity's Rainbow?
BingoBoingo: But does Stephenson have beautiful prose like "It is still unresolved in an 'absolute' sense. Kurt Godel and Paul Cohen were able to show that the continuum hypothesis (and also the axiom of choice) is not decidable by the means of standard set theory." Chapter 16 page 5
asciilifeform: (stephenson's 'anathem' not penrose's rtr)
asciilifeform: i should note that the idea is lifted from neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker 'anathem'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Far from enough to finish these filings
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: either too much vodka, or not enough
BingoBoingo: copumpkin: I know, but the scenario submitted some hours ago where asciilifeform clears the entire court docket because of poor signatures isn't a think we might as well read what is entering the court records as they presently exist
BingoBoingo: Page 45 clarifies that Patrick Harnett did indeed have pirate exposure (page meaning sheet and not the quarterleaf the transcriptionist for some god awful reason assented to)
ThickAsThieves: "I tell you what. I'll give you a very detailed explanation of how the Tor Network works and how Tor mail works, and you can understand what I mean ... It's designed to not be trackable, not be traceable by any form of government."
BingoBoingo: Thermos because when you fuck up that much, you don't get the privilege of presenting yourself as an exemplar of Classic Greek values like sodomy
copumpkin: thermos lol