nubbins`: i suspect p just lifted the lid to stir
nubbins`: or codgers if they're really good at it
mircea_popescu: you're preachin' to the choir.
ThickAsThieves: "Everyone who is involved in Bitcoin understands the strength of the design." do they?
mircea_popescu: guy that has no idea how to work cmegroup.com wants to bet on the oil price
nubbins`: some of their earlier shit is insane
mike_c: genius jurov. put the forum to good use for once.
mike_c: s.mnky is going to implement the infinite monkey protocol.
dexX7: at that time about 20-25k btc were on the books.. wouldn't have assumed that there was so much sleeping money/coins x.x
mike_c: no point. either he is the guy and deserves some respect, or he isn't and you're annoying some stranger
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mike_c: what are you going to do with them? you can't sell them until ipo is off. tough to short if it gaps down.
benkay`: the20year2: assume i have btc and can collateralize a position. are you willing to lend me shares?
the20year2: You were the one asking for handouts :D
benkay`: the20year2: are you willing to lend me some shares?
benkay`: how much of a selloff are you expecting, the20year2?
deadweasel: it's as if the anti death penalty league wrote it
deadweasel: ^ this is what I saw in this and the first letter.
mircea_popescu: nor gives a shit about anything but how the story should read for maximal impact in the mouthbreather herd.
mircea_popescu: "here's what some libertard that's been on the internet all her lyf thinks a guy who's not would say"
mircea_popescu: really badly written, too. "When I first responded to you, I didn't think that it would cause people to reach out to me and voice their opinions. I've never been on the internet in my life and I'm not fully aware of the social circles on the internet, so it was a surprise to receive reactions so quickly."
ThickAsThieves: the letter is fake?
kakobrekla: >Safello announces a $600k investment round lead by prominent Bitcoin advocates Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver joined by Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary and angel investors Victor & Victor. The Sweden based company also launches a complete redesign of their website to gear up for their European expansion as the safest way into Bitcoin.
nubbins`: like blood brothers
ThickAsThieves: it's when you bump assholes with a guy, swapping anal cooties, making you asshole brothers
mircea_popescu: interesting concept nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: what's an asshole brother lnovy ?!
ThickAsThieves: what is Asicminer mining then?
ThickAsThieves: in the mailbox? to be stolen?
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how these AUR are being "air-dropped"
lnovy: i have my own asshole brother :)
kakobrekla: are you like dr gregs evil brother?
mircea_popescu: so today i woke up to the pirate sec deposition, and i had to interrupt my launch because some overqualified stripper went off the deep end in newsweek
kakobrekla: the block was a week old
ThickAsThieves: someone should poke them to explain why it happened and won't happen again
kakobrekla: dexX7 apparently it was fixed, perhaps they are reading assets logs or something
mircea_popescu: because the us failed to execute him, the entire country is now full of losers who imagine that if they somehow pour drivel which happens to contain references to GM's CEO they somehow gain relevance.
mircea_popescu: "Too funny. Despite the incoherence of his blog post, at least MP has finally stepped up and conceded the incompetence of his former approach to options market making. For finally admitting that and quitting the business of options market making without being adequately prepared, he deserves a positive acknowledgement."
mircea_popescu: out of the cockpit ?
nubbins`: "I respectfully disagree with your opinion that the 'cockpit,' (we now call it the flight deck as no cocks are required), is no place for a lady. In fact, there are no places that are not for ladies anymore."
kakobrekla: yeah, its not 100% from them, but likely
dexX7: the tx has actually 928 confirmations
kakobrekla: dexX7 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 might be the problem
mircea_popescu: dexX7 this may be more or less the time one removes any large btc balances from blockchain
dexX7: indeed. i like the website
nubbins`: back when i worked in a fabric-covered box, i walked past an office and overheard the woman inside talking about a "head count reduction"
nubbins`: reading an article about Staples closing 225 stores and there's a quote from some asshole about "right-sizing" their retail footprint
mircea_popescu: so is this coindesk basically a hand aggregator of the retarded press ?
kakobrekla: yes also the hash matches real hash on blockr
dexX7: *the real one has 693 (instead of 554)
dexX7: the bci block has 693 txs
dexX7: kakobrekla: another orphaned block? https://blockchain.info/block-height/288294 + http://pastebin.com/xLFmbfD0
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it's quite the same as CNN/sites/
nubbins`: this will last until the first hockey game
dexX7: there are several headlines with "bitcoin ceo died" =D
nubbins`: KRS-One: the problem is how to entertain myself while i'm in!
dexX7: nubbins` you already used super slow shipping for the baked cat shirts, so i'm not surprised :p
nubbins`: this buyer was the only person so far who took me up on the offer to extend the pgp chain of custody
nubbins`: at least the month and a half of panicking is over. guy paid 6btc for the coin inside, via escrow
nubbins`: re: package, my guess is the express shipping label somehow got ripped off
nubbins`: i've never had anything take so long -- wondering what shape the package will be in when it arrives
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mircea_popescu: i gotta stop reading on this topic jesus god they're offensive.
mircea_popescu: SG: It has not been received well, many people are telling me to leave Satoshi alone. But when one starts having a huge impact on the world, one loses his right to anonymity.
mircea_popescu: TC: How has your digging gone over in the BTC community? It seems like an unpopular topic at best.
mircea_popescu: no but check out the stupid.
mircea_popescu: SG: I think its very important to identify Satoshi at this point in Bitcoins history. The agenda behind Bitcoin, if there is any, cannot stay in the shadow if Bitcoin is to become a mainstream alternative currency, a challenge to the worlds monetary status quo. There has been speculation that Bitcoin may have been created by a government agency (the main employers of cryptographers of mathematicians) in
mircea_popescu: pLambert i was merely commenting on the people held up for the role by the media so far.
mircea_popescu: satoshidoms and satoshidommes, at the bcst!
asciilifeform: surely some could be found. the journarasts should work harder.
asciilifeform: i'd really have to be in the place of a fellow 'getting satoshied'
jurov: it was supposed to be at 30th, then at 16th
mircea_popescu: there's also Shinichi Mochizuki, Gavin's wife, Jed McCaleb (judging by kraken... god help us)
mircea_popescu: there are also two individuals legally named satoshi nakamoto, one presenting himself as satoshi, the other being presented by newsweek as satoshi
mircea_popescu: actually this is pretty funny : The New Yorker's satoshi is Michael Clear ; Fast Company's satoshi is (Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry). Business Insider's satoshi is Nick Szabo.
mircea_popescu: putin could get the physics nobel for his crimeea contgributions
mircea_popescu: well i dunno, the peace prize seems inappropriate.
chetty: but then he and O could make a club or sumthin
mircea_popescu: what are you, the family dog ?
mircea_popescu: like you know... i don't think you can find someone doing that in the vc circus if your life depended on it
MisterE: well this side of the pond
mircea_popescu: so the girl had to hitchhike to sonora or w/e
mircea_popescu: i guess that one had the disadvantage that the entire nonsense needed plane tickets, and newsweek wouldn't spring
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually there's already a dude claiming he's it
mircea_popescu: or whatever, fighting economic unequality and promoting the virtues of an unspecified, bug ridden codebase and the halfwits that nursed it to this day
asciilifeform: the real fun starts when we get a 2nd, 3rd... лжеsatoshi.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if fake satoshi comes up with some derpage about how we should all love each other, feed africa and stop oppressing faggots it'll be just perfect.
mircea_popescu: or whatever, send 1 bitcent from the genesis block to 1newsweak98759843
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that cup is referring to a cheap sf flick, 'children of men', where there's an apocalyptic degringolade, and pill in question is a bestseller.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yes. identity established not through the mechanism it is predicated upon, but through "the agreement" of "the people", specifically those who are too stupid to even understand what's being discussed.
mircea_popescu: "if you feel like your time is up... don't... do anything... call the... "
asciilifeform: ah, they just need to do it in a certified abbatoir.
mircea_popescu: but why ? if the cattle harakiri'd randomly wed have all these stale carcasses all over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503831.new#new basically. the same idea.
asciilifeform: ua rebels now have... their own crematorium. (http://www.svpressa.ru/society/article/83339)
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: MisterE: they have demonstrated this in the russian far east, where they occupied various places, some legally (rented), some otherwise
asciilifeform: MisterE: the chinese have certain methods of farming 'disposable' (i.e. belonging to untermenschen) lands
mircea_popescu: i think the article was an ebullution of idiocy.
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: do you think the article was an invasion of privacy?
dexX7: "I'm disappointed Newsweek decided to dox the Nakamoto family, and regret talking to Leah."
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only places with actual government are white majority population.
nubbins`: federal fisheries minister to angry mob: "i didn't take the fish out of the goddamn water"
mircea_popescu: comes to about 600mn to be unemployed overnight one of these nights.
mircea_popescu: about two in three white people are employed working for the government.
nubbins`: almost one in ten newfoundlanders made their living doing that
mircea_popescu: the lyf and tymes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, it's where the UK prime minister trawls for special assistants to help him get the best child pron
nubbins`: "hey bru, know that disruptive technology you've been working on? well, i just got invited to speak with the cia about it! amazing, huh?"
mircea_popescu: "He was the kind of person who, if you made an honest mistake, he might call you an idiot and never speak to you again," Andresen says.
mircea_popescu: you gotta ? really ? how about the press and all that learns to irc instead. not like bitcoin is here to _adapt_ to anything now is it.
mircea_popescu: "If you come out as the leader of Bitcoin, now you have to make appearances and presentations and comments to the press and that didn't really fit with Satoshi's personality,"
mircea_popescu: From that moment, Satoshi Nakamoto stopped responding to emails and dropped off the map.
mircea_popescu: rthrow the System."
mircea_popescu: Then he told Nakamoto he'd accepted an invitation to speak at the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters. "I hope that by talking directly to them and, more importantly, listening to their questions/concerns, they will think of Bitcoin the way I do - as a just-plain-better, more efficient, less-subject-to-political-whims money," he said. "Not as an all-powerful black-market tool that will be used by anarchists to ove
mircea_popescu: Andresen responded: "Yeah, I'm not happy with the 'wacky pirate money' tone, either."
mircea_popescu: and a bunch of other retarded shit.
mircea_popescu: at least gavin goes on the record saying that he doesn't need any money,
nubbins`: responsible enough to publish a photo of the guy's home, with number visible
mircea_popescu: anyway, the responsible tard being Leah McGrath Goodman
mircea_popescu: lmao newsweek beat the bushes till they found one guy named satoshi nakamoto that was within driving distance
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm is at least fucking ideologically bizarre. they represent electrification as this obscure political strategy move, when it's quite obvious the thing proceeded on economic rationale.
mircea_popescu: moustakis tried to finesse it out of the testimony, and absent any sort of competent defese it will probably wash away just fine
mircea_popescu: anyway, the one - pretty much the only one - barb for the sec in the pirate story is that indeed the facts seem to support pirate's allegation that he actually paid out the newest investors first.
ozbot: Is Bitstamp going the same way as Gox?
mircea_popescu: actually correct quote : The BTC is the only thing in the world worth working for, worth fighting for, worth dying for, because it's the only thing that lasts".
kakobrekla: probably the next too
gribble: You rated user Vandroiy on Sat Sep 1 23:00:35 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Risked 5k of his own bitcoins to help a bunch of forum retards see the light..
mircea_popescu: otherwise it'd be all "o fuck me, 160k for 80k btc ? i did that ? srsly ? "
mircea_popescu: i guess this is true. what a blessing it is, then.
mircea_popescu: and then sorta... fell off.
mircea_popescu: like shavers, like taaki, like maxwell, like you know, the lengthy list of idiots that were "involved" early on
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: look in the mirror! dohohohohoho
reeses_: mircea_popescu: it just means his average spread was $2, which was ok at the time :-)
Diablo-D3: has the ukraine nuked russia yet?
kakobrekla: 2 blocks on the network
dexX7: but there was only one block in the network and two on blockchain.info due to the fail, right?
kakobrekla: nothing to the story, move along.
kakobrekla: they had a fail and had to manually fix it thats why its not in the standard orphaned blocks page
chetty: just Theymos I think
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did it actually say "Michael Marquardt" or theymos or what ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla which is why i say let cary explain it, how the fuck would we know.
dexX7: there is no orphaned block listed for 288788, but i only have blockchain.info as source
kakobrekla: not necessarily, you dont know what the bug was
mircea_popescu: if you go "block 200344, here's the hash (from block 200344') and here's the txn, from block 200344" you got a problem
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that if they had an orphan it would show its own hash and root, not the correct block's.
kakobrekla: i havent checked anything but whats the problem
dexX7: maybe blockchain receives the complete blocks from it's backend in some way and had a small blackout while post-processing and adding the txs to their db ... well, who knows. they seem to be aware though.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time << mpoe-pr sez https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 but retards know better. as per usual.
mircea_popescu: (i don't keep much of an eye on blockchain.info since there exists blockr)
mircea_popescu: well then i suppose you'd better blog about it, or post or somthing.
dexX7: a discarded block would have another hash
mircea_popescu: this would necessarily result in them listing a different set of txns from the actual set as found on the actual chain
mircea_popescu: if a service like blockchain.info goes down (ie, stops listening to the chain) it may end up with the impression a meanwhile discarded block is still valid
mircea_popescu: the validity of a block is not established until later. which is what orphans and chain reorgs are.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 the logic here is as follows :
dexX7: and everything was correct except the number of transactions + the missing ones were indeed not listed
dexX7: there is this overview for example: https://blockchain.info/block-index/472689/000000000000000020cc76f78a24a6bc1c6d55e5514ee9b900ba08b3f97bc4a6
kakobrekla: well i dunno, thats the word i got and i dont think its made up
dexX7: well, good then that it's known
dexX7: oh really? but the blockhash etc. was correct?
kakobrekla: cause they were doing upgrades
mircea_popescu: dexX7 i wonder wtf is happening there re missing txns
reeses_: yeah, /. was around then, no?
mircea_popescu: yeah its still there
reeses_: no, they're still numbered
mircea_popescu: or did they stop giving out those ?
reeses_: yeah, working my way through the docs right now as well
midnightmagic has trouble getting "to the moon, alice" out of his head
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/and_now_the_pharma_pendulum_sw.html < tlp has the story.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic but on the topic of making a name for oneself, know who tried that ? a certain dr. gleason. he tried to make a name for himself as not being a contemptible piece of shit. he was convicted, eventually, and then killed himself.
reeses_: switch what I said, then, I was ignoring it
reeses_: and that he got the ccie in high school
mircea_popescu: chetty presumably the free market still exists in the us, both financially and with regard to ideas, so such an academic would "make a name for himself"
chetty: no 'academic' would admit things like that, anymore than admit global warming is off. the wouldn't get their grants.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yes, but not the 14% aspirational crowd that "makes" names
midnightmagic: I would say about half or more of the US actually agrees with you that beating children is the best way.
mircea_popescu: it's the one to which kids can pose no resistence.
mircea_popescu: it's not the most effective huh ?
midnightmagic: Yeeaaahh.. no. Sure it's a motivator. I'm just saying it's not the most effective.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic nobody is going t omake a name for themselves in the current us showing that not beating kids is a wrong thing.
mircea_popescu: it's how the child brain works, for this purpose.
midnightmagic: Else someone else trying to make a name for themselves comes along and destroys it.
midnightmagic: That is fundamental study design. They don't make those kinds of selection bias mistakes in the research on which consensus is formed.
mircea_popescu: you then run studies showing that A2 responds better than A1
mircea_popescu: basically you're externalising a cost. when "kids get beaten" subset A1 gets actually beaten and subset A2 learns from their experience.
midnightmagic: fear is not the most effective motivation. fear is not a direct motivator, it is a motivator to game the cease of fear.
mircea_popescu: much like the us nuclear weapons, which the us refuses to declare will never be used.
mircea_popescu: problem is the entire system collapses once kids know nobody can ever get beaten.
midnightmagic: No it's not. Research is not the basis of ritalin over-prescription. In fact the research states that it is over-prescribed.
midnightmagic: I'm just saying, as much as it's possible to know such things, physical pain or even physical discomfort versus non-physical discipline tactics: the physical discipline is not as effective.
mircea_popescu: the same pseudoscientific process created both notions.
mircea_popescu: but it is over prescrived on the basis of " virtually all infant and child development research"