thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what the fuck? Yes they are. I work with a Chinese co-op...just...don't even get my started.
mircea_popescu: aussies can afford to travel outside their island !?!
nubbins`: it's the aussies now
mircea_popescu: not sure who it is now, cause the chinese aren't really obnoxious
heat: he did eat the hash brownies tho.
heat: my dad backpacked across EU in the 70s
nubbins`: the derpiness just shifts around. before americans it was the british -- you can still see this if you find older brits
mircea_popescu: yeah in fairness the derpy us traveller of the 70s and 80s has been replaced by a much more understated kind.
nubbins`: australians and israelis are the ones that will give you headaches
nubbins`: aside from the group of guys from las vegas i met in colombia
nubbins`: TBF none of the american travellers i've met have been particularly brash
heat: who the fuck wants to be american
nubbins`: i've been asked more than once if i was a fake canadian when travellers see the flag on my pack
heat: how can you hate the country where nadia comaneci is from
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mircea_popescu: everyone else is hated somewhere or other.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ro passport is pretty good i tell you. of all the people i've been with all over the world, mine's been overall the best treated.
mircea_popescu: by the latest news, so will a number of ukrainians
heat: i think ill move there one day
heat: that sounds not to bad u just leave here there all day and
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no here it's bundled with the cable subscription
kakobrekla: beats me, maybe they go house to house selling trilema credits
kakobrekla: its just that he is so rich he does not need to wash them, ever
heat: after they leave?
mike_c: who is 'you guys'? this isn't the all-romania channel.
ThickAsThieves: and now they wanna promote it etc
ThickAsThieves: project was thrown together
ThickAsThieves: ThickAsThieves, what's the deadline for this /// hrm, faster the better, if i can't get it in a couple days I'll just go with a typographic design
mircea_popescu: myeah. wouldn't visit if they paid me.
nubbins`: the bar closes, you fuckin leave, end of story
mircea_popescu: "The victorious punter jumped up and down waving his receipt in the air when the bills were added up shortly before closing time at the club, at the Embassy venue in Old Burlington Street. The nightclub has not revealed the identity of the big spenders."
mircea_popescu: expert in the uk economy and britney spearism.
mircea_popescu: Alex Hope made his first trade around five years ago, while he was still working at a fast food bar and now claims to earn a six-figure salary. He made his first deals on his mobile phone during the commute to his day job, after a spread betting seminar shortly before his 18th birthday.
mircea_popescu: to stop wondering where the forum tards come from.
mircea_popescu: His biography reads: Despite his tender years, Alex is a name to watch out for in the city. An expert in the UK economy, he works the currency markets, regularly trading millions.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves, what's the deadline for this
nubbins`: you know you've got a legit scoop when both reuters and ap shake their heads and say "nope" ;(
nubbins`: altho TBF it took several years before they realized what it did
mircea_popescu: i don't usually turn them off, i usually end up turning some chick on
nubbins`: lsd is from the 30s
heat: lsd was from the 40s?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that of course they do.
ThickAsThieves: i thought you saw the movie?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i don't think they make ludes anymore
nubbins`: i suspect the express shipping label got torn off
nubbins`: so the coin i sent to australia on january 14 finally arrived today
mircea_popescu: to describe the entire operation as schweitzer would be charitable.
mircea_popescu: maybe one hundred the chinese know about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really purges, more like desperation. for every snowden twitter knows about there's dozens that various interests know about
mircea_popescu: "'I get probably seven or eight hundred and I read the majority of those. Every day." he
nubbins`: [10:47:48] <gribble> #bitcoin-otc: Watch out for fraudsters! Always check auth with the ident command, or you could be dealing with an impostor. Use gettrust to check trust paths. If in doubt, ASK IN CHANNEL. Fraud prevention guide: http://bit.ly/YCGOI3 Trust system guide: http://bit.ly/16IOdbe
mircea_popescu: KRS-One not that novel, it's been introduced by the forum investors years ago
KRS-One: there's a novel idea
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ThickAsThieves: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/10/richard-branson-climate-deniers-get-out-of-the-way
asciilifeform: see the discussion of 'promise vs. mechanism' in earlier logs.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: it's a web-based gizmo. could use namecoin, could use the author's arsehole for mass storage
ThickAsThieves: whats the fatal flaw?
ozbot: OneName: The Decentralized Identity System for Bitcoin : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/201g66/onename_the_decentralized_identity_system_for/
asciilifeform: jurov, mircea_popescu, /dev/urandom: where did this horror come from. put it back on the bottom of the sea where it belongs.
topace: [17:16:09] <thestringpuller> topace: unlock my account
dexX7: "This stock fund listed in BitCoin will be issued, issuer is the "BITCOIN INVESTMENT GUARANTEE LIMITED" company ..."
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mircea_popescu: it's circular, otp is only impractical because people have been designing things to make it impractical. otherwise otp generating doohickeys would be trivial to make.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... i cant keep reading this
mircea_popescu: especially the average coder under 50
mircea_popescu: sorry, i generally agree with his point that people overuse random for no good reason, and that entropy isn't readily understood by the average coder,
mircea_popescu: "Because almost all of the cryptographic algorithms we use do not hold up to information-theoretic security. They can only offer computational security. The two exceptions that come to my mind are Shamir's Secret Sharing and the One-time pad. And while the first one may be a valid counterpoint (if you actually intend to use it), the latter is utterly impractical."
mircea_popescu: jurov well here we go "I believe that the gold standard for true randomness are quantum effects."
mircea_popescu: so windows viruses / toilet paper / strong cryptography < topics on #bitcoin-assets within the past 5 minutes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay and the reason for the over "preference" is that all toilet paper they've ever seen on tv is shown that way.
mircea_popescu: and THESE fuckwits "are involved" in Bitcoin, if you ask them ? they're part of "the community", according to reddit ?
mircea_popescu: diametric: ##mtgox-chat is hilarious. So many people ran the tibannebackoffice.exe malware.. what a bunch of idiots. << waitwat!
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benkay: meanwhile, on the derpcyclopedia of note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper_orientation
Mats_cd03: but theres no compile process for livecode
Mats_cd03: theres a timer
Mats_cd03: did you finish stepping through the entire program
dexX7: i run the .exe and it created a TibanneSocket.exe + revsecurity.dll file, but no cleanme.bat
dignork: well, the data looks real, but useless mostly. BTC transactions seem to be legit, but currently I can't find any use for them.
benkay: stop downloading shit off the internet, noobs.
dignork: oh, wow, retract my last comment, I just looked into zip, they have a Mac version too, coded in LiveCode, neat.
dexX7: the guy says "It was created in LiveCode, a tool for easy GUI programming, which actually stores a copy of the code encrypted inside of the executable. I essentially just used a debugger and traced through till I found the code in memory and dumped the section, copying and pasting the interesting parts into this post."
dignork: diametric, the "decompiled" proof seems to be bullshit: 'if platform() = "MacOS" then' in windows executable, really?
dexX7: they did not leak any personal data and called mark a fat fuck -> very nice people ;)
dub: what the fuck else would it be?
dexX7: appears so.. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/200k30/the_tibannebackofficeexe_executable_is_wallet/
diametric: I always know theres something else I'm forgetting.
diametric: ##mtgox-chat is hilarious. So many people ran the tibannebackoffice.exe malware.. what a bunch of idiots.
KRS-One: where the fuck has that cunt been
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
dub: now now mp, .ro can't claim all the fraudsters
dub: all the personality treatise can be reduced to : he is french
wao-ender: what the heck
moiety: lmao at the meh hoodie - it's suits his face
dexX7: lol these pictures are priceless: http://www.dailytech.com/Bitcoin+King+Pt+II+Mt+Goxs+Dictator+Karpels+Proves+Tragically+Flawed/article34452.htm
moiety: quite possibly the best hats in bitcoin
nubbins` says what other men dare not think
moiety: i found bingo's spiritual dog http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/09/hair-of-the-dog-miracle-vodka-cure-saves-puppy-from-certain-death-4494150/
jurov: lol again czech menu on the blackboard
moiety: i get probed every now and then, i guess its to be expected
Namworld: We both missed a ton on the BTC rate increase.
Namworld: It's been rough, especially with the 15 -> 1200 run in 2013. How is one supposed to beat 100x returns on just holding through investing?
mircea_popescu: you still in the hole with giga/amazingrando huh
Namworld: Considering the first thing I did was lend over 700 BTC to a GPU miner thinking it was just 7 grand and the current price per BTC, I'm not close of having positive earnings on average per year.
mircea_popescu: and with that the story ends.
dexX7: well, such a fee level is at least motivating the issuer to perform well
mircea_popescu: the zinger being, of course, "Aug 15 15:49:39 <parseval>This guy is charging 2% of assets annually plus 20% of profits for management fees"
benkay: the rest was privately placed!
mircea_popescu: that's the first hour.
mircea_popescu: so what was the ticker, anyoe know that ?
peterl: I think it was all privately done, so there is no way to actually track what he says
mircea_popescu: a actually btct, should be in the logs
mircea_popescu: well, so did anyone actually bother to track this BTC-GROWTH marvel ?
dexX7: well, you're the incarnation of teh evil anyway :D
mircea_popescu: that's what threw me, cause i had no recollection of the entire thing
mircea_popescu: a so im not actually in there/saying anything
dexX7: thus no link to the log
mircea_popescu: of the sort uppity tortilla rest sin
benkay: it's not my shopping list - i don't do the shopping, moiety.
benkay: overheard in my household this morning "paycheck and a buttplug! the only grocery list you'll ever need."
Diablo-D3: I noticed he quit bothering me
mircea_popescu: asicminer went from 5 to .5, so therefore my deadbeat "investment" which went from 1 to .3 in the interval
mircea_popescu: "In retrospect, it's quite funny how some of the folks laughed at those selling ASICMiner to buy into BTC Growth, given that at the end of the day, those who adopted exactly that strategy wound up with roughly 275% as much money in their accounts than those who stuck with the former darling of the mining world."
mircea_popescu: before you know it he'll be going "i stake my professional reputation !!eleven behind making this thing i read on trilema two weeks ago happen!" like that other douche
mircea_popescu: anyway, if the guy's reading the logs that's not so bad, first step on the road to sanity.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 lol we're the empire of evil nao ?
mircea_popescu: <Namworld> Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. << hence the "Rational, +EV move" comment earlier.
benkay: probly reads the logs but can't extemporize.
dexX7: peterl: no joke, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3649693#msg3649693 "Maybe it was a different user named 'dexX7' who was hobnobbing with TAT, Mircea Popescu and others on IRC ..."
benkay: this is much like asciilifeform's refrain about "trusted computing" on top of compromised hardware. all the proofs in the world won't save you from bad hardware in the memory stack, and all the quant kabbalah in the world won't make you money on non-functional options exchanges.
dexX7: he also reads the channel logs to see, if someone is saying something mean about him
Namworld: Pirates, okay, but I didn't know there was Ponzi doctors too.
Namworld: Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info.
peterl: from the dr. greg thread "the approach continues to offer guaranteed profit up until a roughly 350% gain " he lost money but still thinks his strategy should have huge returns?
dexX7: kinda interesting though that the block entry is still online
mircea_popescu: that's the 3rd.
peterl: how did he get the name Dr. Foreskin? Or do I want to know?
punkman: even Dr Greg doesn't want to use them anymore
mircea_popescu: let the record reflect that i'm working on a foot long baba ghanoush sub
dexX7: well, it's a probably a good thing to get rid of the weak elements
dexX7: what was the reason to halt option trading?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu random thought: i wonder if the halt in options trading on MPEX will result in a lot of people flocking to ICBIT...kind of a scary thought...
thestringpuller: dexX7: I'm pretty sure mircea_popescu has female assassin ninjas guarding the mpex keyring
dexX7: i think it's your obligation to be transparent on such incidents. who knows, maybe they have backend access to mpex now :p
mircea_popescu: trying to do their job, i guess.
dexX7: well then, tell us more
mircea_popescu: Namworld isn't it interesting how "since then" and "when mp said" coincide huh.
Namworld: 400k Mark proved ownership after the 2011 hack.
Namworld: They should still have 500k BTC apparently. (400k from 2011 that haven't moved since and some more) for over 900k owed.
Namworld: There's not too many people in here regularly browsing reddit, so sometimes it takes time to get here.
mircea_popescu: the forum never ends.
mircea_popescu: "The SEC does not actively monitor this thread, I have two friends that are attorneys for the Commission, and their interns have much better things to do than passive monitoring. "
Namworld: Either way, how much more can you screw up?
mircea_popescu: i am fully confident it's ignorance rather than some nefarious anything at work
asciilifeform: trezor's published code is curiously missing the interesting bits.
mircea_popescu: people who think that by imagining something they're now the best to make it, people who think wanting really hard can substitute for being really able
asciilifeform: (going by the published pcb mask at any rate)
asciilifeform: it's seriously strange when they do it despite not having to
mircea_popescu: dude, if i could explain to you the why of people doing stupid shit...
asciilifeform: why does he need pre-orders, why not just build the damned gadget
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: then this is seriously weird.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could be that some people are just broke, and this is the only way they can play.
mircea_popescu: who's otherwise quite respectable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the trezor folks took preorders !?!11!
mircea_popescu: as to the wisdom of not taking pre-orders and generally running a business like a business.
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mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507799.0 <also the most promising webwallet so far.
mircea_popescu: quoth mpoe-pr "haha forehead and bitcoininv have channeled their butthurt from me to each other
mircea_popescu: that aside, i very much doubt vessy is stepping down to the bitter end.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> fuck me, the world is perfect <mircea_popescu> who knew. << alexander pope.
mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah the foundation is going down.
mircea_popescu: nobody heard of him, nobody cares of him, he is thus therefore throwing the full weight of that pompous nothing into things!!!111
mircea_popescu: i love all the pretense tho, "my personal and professional reputation" apparently is the new stock phrase of the chump.
dexX7: "To the chagrin of the less confrontational, I plan to attack. And in putting my personal and professional reputation on the line, I will attack ruthlessly, from the front, and (figuratively) shoot to kill. By Monday, I expect that either: a) Vessenes and Matonis resign gracefully from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, ..."
dexX7: oh well, this 2 bit idiot: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/79070783038/concession "I’m not going to bury the lead; I am not publishing the article tomorrow that I said I was going to on Friday. In fact, I never intended to ..."
mircea_popescu: this is the 80s, back when people using bitcoin i mean email were considered at the very least a little by the guys who generally know everything better
mircea_popescu: "some local computer shop owner yelled at me over the phone when I asked him to email me a price list, telling me that he would never waste his time on email because it took 20 times longer than a phone call"
dexX7: turned out it was a 14 yo child who found the stealer on hackforums
dexX7: there was once a trojan stealer on btctalk which searched for wallet.dat files and forwarded them via mail - the guy included his mail credentials of his private gmail acc =D
asciilifeform: i'm interested specifically in the trojan payload
asciilifeform: anybody got the binary turd?
dexX7: and there are some with a negative balance :D
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thestringpuller: i guess that might work though...if you only have referentials by pk in your queries; once you retreive the column you could deal with decryption...but hmm
thestringpuller: dexX7: then you can't search a specific column only by PK
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: perhaps if you stored gpg flatfile and indexed it, then gpg is the bottle neck and not the db trying to decrypt cells...
thestringpuller: and you encrypted all the rows it would take 3-4 times longer for normal operation cause it has to decrypt everytime
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you were probably thinking of that
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is possible to search across encrypted data, for some purposes
thestringpuller: so if the database is ever compromised for any reason, it won't matter because it requires a specific gpg key to decrypt the rows
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller to do what ?
ThickAsThieves: but that was the definition i was going for
ThickAsThieves: i never made the word until now
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asciilifeform neither
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: if porn is the mortar of technology, are video games like the firewood?
ThickAsThieves: imagine all the less friction!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well maybe the traveller dude does,
dexX7: CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. there seem to be central processing servers. new in the sense of "not bitcoin, new underlying technology"
ThickAsThieves: all the people that want decentralized shit like ot and mastercoin are too dumb to use it
asciilifeform: porn, the reconnaissance battalion of technology.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 what do you mean new ? the guy's been working at it since before my time
ThickAsThieves: porn, the mortar of technology
mircea_popescu: and by now on their sweat and toil it became generally available