benkay: perhaps clustering against gribble searches then, which weights trilema?
mircea_popescu: this is the perfect anon model, gribble googling. how would google ever figure it out ?
benkay: oh come on they can kinda infer that, right?
Hirethestache: My bitcoin lingo is now officially dead in the water. I really need to do more research. You think you know so much until you realize you don't.
mircea_popescu: ah, the two weeks, bitcoin's only true measure of time.
gribble: Diceware Passphrase Home: <http://www.diceware.com/>; Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Diceware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diceware>
benkay: you may consider a dicelist and a deterministic wallet, Hirethestache.
Hirethestache: Mircea, I don't have the cold storage addresses stored digitally anywhere
mircea_popescu: Hirethestache if you say you have a cold wallet, you can just use that as a bitbet outbound address
Hirethestache: Might have to email myself from my Coinbase and take the address out of the ema. That's the only workaround I can think of
mircea_popescu: because of the weight.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu lmao I'll have to look for those next time I'm at the public library
mircea_popescu: that's why that's there.
mircea_popescu: Hirethestache you can send from anywhere. just make sure you control the outbound address you specify.
Hirethestache: But back to my original question, is there an easy way to send to bitbet from Coinbase? I wanna get in on this bet ASAP, but I only have my iPhone, ergo only have access to the Coinbase wallet
Hirethestache: It's on the nexus which is wifi only, and I only go online when I need to use it for BTC. Two step aught still
benkay: you keep 2/21M of the monetary base on your phone?!
Hirethestache: Another 12 on cold
mircea_popescu: having a few cents in there for convenience is fine, but don't go overboard
bitcoinpete: Also partially inspired by Rabbi bin Popescu's "a bug in the implementation of physicality" line.
benkay: you know the Nexus is trivially broken wide open and all storage read out, right?
Hirethestache: Just my iPhone and nexus tablet, but I won't have access to the nexus for 48hours
Hirethestache: I'm mobile, and there are not any iOS apps for BTC wallets that I know about. I have my android with a small wallet, but it's not on me ATM.
Duffer1: depends if he downloads the private keys or not
benkay: Hirethestache: do you have your own bitcoin wallet?
Hirethestache: I've searched for a simple guide, but there are not many resources on the specific resolve
Duffer1: do you have confidence that coinbase will still be around by the time the bet resolves though..
mircea_popescu: just make sure you control the outbound address
ozbot: Markets hang in the balance ahead of Fed decision
asciilifeform: although some of his proposals are popular in russia. e.g., re-conquest of the baltics to use as nuke waste storage.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps something along the lines of "Yes well, I once asked a married woman to my hotel room. She said no and yet showed up."
Duffer1: so Obama called Putin to tell him the U.S. would never recognize the Crimea referendum. I can't imagine Putins response was anything other than "HAHAHHHAAHAHA"
mircea_popescu: the "it's nsa" link isn't particularly strong.
asciilifeform: dub: other than the factoid that they employ folks to steal poorly-secured traditional chumpnets, this is uninteresting.
dub: asciilifeform: is there something deeper than 'nsa tests botnet I think'?
mircea_popescu: "damn these reality check things getting in the way of my delusional substitute for a through process"
mircea_popescu: that's some pretty epic shit right there.
Dimsler: how is that any different then facebook?
benkay: all complaints about california aside, the company is fantastic: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3a7642c
khersonus: "if you look at the whole pie Id be muchly surprised if a tenth of all Bitcoin trade ever sees a so-called exchange website" < if this is really true, I can see your point. I've just never witnessed that much otc trading, perhaps.
ThickAsThieves: "Can someone explain to me why Berkshire stock has the value that it has? It has never paid a dividend. What benefit is there in owning such a stock, other than it increasing in value?"
khersonus: it still doesn't seem like it would be that difficult of a problem. I'm surprised you haven't come up with a solution, given the potential profit it could have and has had for mpex
asciilifeform: some interesting rumour on the matter:
benderp: asciilifeform: wtf? forgive my naive but what are the actual odds of that happening?!
khersonus: a proper index could publish all of its calculations. It could even be a collection of scripts that everyone could run to verify the data on their own. mircea could just publish the verified results.
ThickAsThieves: if they want to lose trust
ThickAsThieves: well technically the terms are alterable
Duffer1: that's different though, the terms are clear to everyone and unalterable
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 imagine if i also got to select the secret valid nonce for each block, too.
asciilifeform: http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-out-and-confiscated-by-the-new-york-federal-reserve/5373446
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
mircea_popescu: khersonus i could, practically. i couldn't, theoretically, becuase THAT would be undue concentration, ie the bad sort of centralisation.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves o hey, the bet is officially a net positive nao. Yes pays: 0.99990488
khersonus: mircea_popescu: why not run your options system with your own pricing index? it seemed to me that your two complaints about bitcoincharts were that an exchange pushed doge data, and they didn't remove mtgox. Couldn't you do better yourself?
mircea_popescu: they suffered the just reward for their idiocy, which has nothing to do with bitcoin in any sense, and even less with exchanges, or with owners
mircea_popescu: so... don't tell me about how the people that didn't listen to mpoe-pr and went and lost their btc on glbse somehow "Suffered"
mircea_popescu: while the plebs like to claim that they're "the community", this was never either true or seriously considered by anyone.
mircea_popescu: the problem here would be that bitcoin is a two tier society.
khersonus: mircea_popescu: that there have been a large number of scams in bitcoin as a result of the "owner takes all the coins" thinking
benderp: but the best part is how the cell network can't sustain a connection to IRC via anything but JS.
khersonus: taking coins is typical stupid bitcoin user logic. It shows with the number of scams that have happened.
benderp: 50% of the land is covered with asphalt, and 40% with retarded californian lean-to's in the style of something elsewhere that actually matters
benderp: the men are retarded
benderp: the women are retarded
mircea_popescu: "It would be so awesome, if the owner of this homepage just takes all the coins. :D it's almost 2 000 000 fucking dollars!!!!"
freeroute: mircea_popescu: cool, I'll give them a read.
freeroute: mircea_popescu: hmm, I was under the impression that OT was still being developed
cadmus2: MtGox is mentioned on the FAQ page - came in here to let someone update it
mircea_popescu: <freeroute> there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK << there has been, for years. ot, open transactions.
freeroute: ThickAsThieves: that there is no middleman in between that can screw things up
ThickAsThieves: that you cant trust them?
freeroute: but that's the nature of decentralized and unregulated systems
ThickAsThieves: the CC system will be riddled with scams and issuers no one else would have
ThickAsThieves: well you want to rmeove the exchange right?
ThickAsThieves: as i understood decentralized systems, they utilize new ledgers, maintained by servers
ThickAsThieves: something manages the metadata no?
ThickAsThieves: what if they wait 9mos til everyone gets comfortable and fuck everyone over?
ThickAsThieves: what if ghash.io manages 80% of the CC ledger?
freeroute: putting trust from the hands of people into mathematics is a way of making sure that you can't be screwed by people, which has happened numerous times already.
ThickAsThieves: are you gonna go through the CC code?
ThickAsThieves: for all we know it's majorly flawed and the people that know choose to just bank off it
freeroute: what Bitcoin (for the most part) enables, is full "in the cloud" operation wherever you geographically might be positioned. As long as you're connected, you can do most of the stuff with BTC.
ThickAsThieves: the world turns
ThickAsThieves: all the world is international, yet every country has different laws
ThickAsThieves: people keep jumping to these yeah but it's international arguments
freeroute: *the parties
freeroute: even so, they parties who disagree can easily operate in area's which do not have those regulations
ThickAsThieves: i think it can be for the most part
ThickAsThieves: i'm on the fence
freeroute: enforced was the word I was looking for indeed
nubbins`: "no miner may mine more than XX TH/s from the same IP"
ThickAsThieves: doesnt stop them from existing
ThickAsThieves: they are hauled in
Mats_cd03: without a centralization authority which the protocol lacks for this purpose
ThickAsThieves: regulating that no miner may have more than XX% of the network power is not an absurd notion
freeroute: ThickAsThieves: well, it's nice that they care.
ThickAsThieves: the USG for example cares most about two things
freeroute: so assume miners fall under the regulation, who's to say they won't employ techniques to evade that regulation?
freeroute: hmm, I always thought that regulation in regards to BTC could only be applied at the "IRL" fiat-side of things
freeroute: it would be regulated the same way BTC would, I assume
freeroute: in the case of CC, wouldn't it itself be a ledger (or the blockchain itself being a ledger) ?
freeroute: there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK
ThickAsThieves: even then, don't most of these decentralized exchanges lean on less than 10 points of trust?
ThickAsThieves: to the issuers, to regulators, to traders
freeroute: of course you can't, but you can minimize their impact on it
ThickAsThieves: you can't remove people from the system
freeroute: wasn't there a documentary about a CS guy who found out that stock exchanges (like the NYSE) were basically frauding people?
freeroute: closing exchanges, for one. over-zealous regulators is another.
freeroute: but at least that prevents the exchange screwing everyone over
freeroute: true, I didn't claim otherwise
mircea_popescu: you.can.not.have.stocks.without.trusting.the.issuer.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it protects people from having to bow down to their superiors, which idiots with delusions of independence loathe.
freeroute: web of trust, yes. Like the GPG WOT?
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mircea_popescu: the wot dood.
freeroute: WOT can be as centralized or as decentralized as you make it, the trust could all lead to a central authority (or central authorities)
mircea_popescu: were i to decide to split all objects into heavy and light i could fucking tell you whether a breadbox is heavy or light.
mircea_popescu: well then i'd propose you have no idea what you're talking about, if you use a nomenclature that fails to even split the world properly.
freeroute: not sure about implementation of colored coins, but the concept is amazing
freeroute: mircea_popescu: difficult. I'd say both, I wouldn't trust it more then I would trust security through obscurity
mircea_popescu: is the wot centralised or distributed in your nomenclature ?
freeroute: luckily, the technology which is getting built on top of it, will bring lots of such decentralizations
freeroute: the point is, that right now we have a distributed asset class / currency protected by cryptography. It shifts trust from centralized models to a distributed one. That could be seen as step 1.
mircea_popescu: applied mathematics still has to be applied. and i was there when communism fell, and i saw no mathematics anywhere around me.
freeroute: but I do hope that trust will get out of people's hands into the hands of cryptography. Because generally, people are not a good thing, and never were.
Mats_cd03: of party (you, her, and third_party), the following set [(third_party,her), (you,her), (you,third_party)] represents who can collude to screw you, third_party, and her
freeroute: well yeah at this point I can't see bitbet implementing such a thing because of the nature of the bets (the bets would then be binary and somehow be validated for provably true)
mircea_popescu: you'll always need people. and that's a good thing, because if you didn't the planet'd be pretty darn barren by now.
mircea_popescu: i understand that there's a very strong desire in the socially-challenged for replacing girlfriends with porn, but that's not how finance works.
Mats_cd03: and then you've also created a game theoretic scenario where all involved parties can potentially be robbed
mircea_popescu: the reason bitbet is trusted is for proper reasons, ie, being run by trustworth people.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as bitbet can resolve bets, it can run off with all btc whether you multisig or not.
cazalla: steven-__: he won't attend conferences unless they have a sexual harassment policy in place as well, the guy is a total SJW
Mats_cd03: people say the same things about bitbet operations, but this time they accuse third_party in the same breath
Mats_cd03: if you implemented it then heres whats going to happen:
freeroute: I guess, not sure about the exact implementation, but it would certainly help bitbet's trust not being able to run away with the BTC
Mats_cd03: is that the killer feature you are seeing in bitbet with multisig tx
mircea_popescu: unless the site itself implements it, which it probably does.
mircea_popescu: so what exactly ? if you trust the site to adjudicate, you trust the site to hold the btc. there's nothing meaningful to gain by a separation
mircea_popescu: if you think about it : sites like bitbet require the power to pay winners.
freeroute: I guess it depends on the application, it won't make everything safe
mircea_popescu: freeroute apparently the people who make the calls in bitcoin don't give a shit about particular dead horse tropes.
steven-__: safe is always the first word that comes to mind when i think of 3rd party and bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lol the golden hooker... that sounds like a decent bitcoiner bar.
nubbins`: except for the people in /r/til
mircea_popescu: "Soooo.... I used a site in november called betsofbitco.in or something like that and i made a couple bets. Both have passed their date and still are awaiting decisions for 3 months now. I should be winning these bets but there seems to be nothing happening. Anyone know if that site is a scam"
mircea_popescu: it's how the open market works.
nubbins`: there's a few "don't give money to bitbet, scam, see this link" posts on everything related to bitbet that goes up
mircea_popescu: lol reddit discovers bitbet. the first page is like full of bitbet stuff nao
mircea_popescu: "After my gangrape last night the doctors had some bad news :
joecool: should bring back the "become a fan" button
mircea_popescu: maybe they were likeable corpses.
nubbins`: cbc shares a video of a bunch of porpoises dying in the water near a supply ship that ran aground
nubbins`: ah, that bet is the top post on /r/Bitcoin right now
nubbins`: a lot of legs of the trail, you need either two cars or you double back. this particular one, you can make a loop of it
nubbins`: joecool: if you're into hiking, the east coast trail from bay bulls to witless bay (and back on the railway bed) is a good one
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: maybe the "yes" bettors figure bitbet can keep their coins safer than they can?
joecool: for normal circumstances, just need to keep an eye on when storms flare up, last year i saw them once all the way down here
joecool: nubbins`: you ever see the lights?
ThickAsThieves: anyone know the best bitcoin wallet for debian? I'm having trouble getting one to install
nubbins`: go on a whale watching tour when you're out there
joecool: i've never been there, gf lives on ontario, i live in dirty jerz
nubbins`: my brother in law is a kennedy, but he's from habour grace
nubbins`: ah, k, probably no relation there :D
nubbins`: ah, my mother is from bay bulls.
mircea_popescu: they have houses in canada ?!
joecool: nubbins`: pleasure, gf's parents own a house there
joecool: nubbins`: never noticed you're newfie, i'll be there for like a month this summer
mircea_popescu: nah, 5 marks could be tractors or w/e they did
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i'm really blown away by the yes bets. /// why's that?
mircea_popescu: if i were designing the reichsmarks in 1940
nubbins`: or having an office building here in newfoundland called the BEOTHUK BUILDING
nubbins`: there's an indian of some sort on it
mircea_popescu: isn't it the old nickel indian face ?
mircea_popescu: fun fact : the buffalo is worth like 2k, and yet nominal face value would be like $50
bitcoinpete: as rare as the buffalo itself
nubbins`: seriously, the edge isn't even a uniform thickness
nubbins`: nothing but good from the RCM
bitcoinpete: they probably can't stamp them fast enough to keep up with people who haven't heard of BTC
nubbins`: i just took a gold buffalo out of the packaging
mircea_popescu: i'm really blown away by the yes bets.
Hirethestache: Is there a bitbet authy here?
Apocalyptic: sigh, but seems the PR move worked
mircea_popescu: Mar 05 03:06:20 <mircea_popescu>when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
Mats_cd03: because you can never win on the internet
mircea_popescu: why do people have so much difficulty groiking the supremacy of action over speech is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: Ansgar John which state the results 'in any given quarter or year are often meaningless. '
ThickAsThieves: sad that in order to be jesus one must sell their soul
ThickAsThieves: sadly thats not enough these days
ThickAsThieves: the originating reddit link points to mp's blog
ThickAsThieves: he posts about the bet and elaborates, and people still think it's erik...
ThickAsThieves: "Hence why the bet is in bitcoins - zero risk for the better and something only an idiot would participate in. I'm sure buffet's seen this one before but most of the morons on this subreddit have not."
ThickAsThieves: i'm offended that erik's reddit thread on the bet gets more shine than mine :(
ThickAsThieves: after that pumper was here this morning claming CBTC would double in value, they issue a report saying they lost money
Mats_cd03: and occasionally having your wages garnished by things like the brk-a bet or slot machines because youre too stubborn to understand probabilities
ThickAsThieves: "No - arithmetic error in the calculation. Fixed - thanks for point it out!"
ThickAsThieves: Is it caused by the acquisition of bit777 etc. or is this a mistake?"
ThickAsThieves: "Agreed. Looks good. But what I don't get is the huge jump to 41,734.95 in total earned BTC.
Mats_cd03: its context dependent and if you cant handle high school probability you will be ignored by the universe
ThickAsThieves: they see it like a scratcher
ThickAsThieves: the expense to hedge being very cheap
ThickAsThieves: this assumes the No's won't ruin that weight
ThickAsThieves: you'd want to bet both sides while the weight is in your favor
ThickAsThieves: however, if you feel the large bet is correct, like in this case of this BRK one
ThickAsThieves: obviously there is more to gain, but you can still lose 100%
mircea_popescu: i didnt follow the logic of that.
Mats_cd03: why dont you make a small wager against every large bet then
sheldonthomas: Isn't it advantageous to make small bets against large ones on bitbet, since regardless of what you believe the odds are, you are splitting a larger winning pool from the other side
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ThickAsThieves: the wot link has links
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mircea_popescu: what's more, they're stupid in their own private personal ways, which differ from hers, even should she "feel" it's not fair that should be the case.
mircea_popescu: dude how come every single obnoxious bitch out there imagines she's entitled to misrepresent her broken mental processes as "a problem of women everywhere" ?
mircea_popescu: Despite its generally female-friendly environment, Horvath claims that she had a really hard time getting used to the culture, the aggressive communication on pull requests and how little the men [she] worked with respected and valued [her] opinion.
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mircea_popescu: has it been started 2 weeks ago through lying on a common bank application, all constructed on the basis of some material a website mailed you ?
mircea_popescu: so guise, we need to sit together and come up with a strategy to attract more dudes who don't know who they are but suspect it may be ceo in this thing of ours.