BingoBoingo: BCB: Generally kakobrekla runs the channel MP's handle is...
ThickAsThieves: the community
BingoBoingo: bitcoinmagazine.com/11259/illinois-virtual-currency-and-the-transmitters-of-money-act/
BingoBoingo: One can spend all day imagine brains with an MRI tube without having the slightest idea about what Magnetic Resonance is.
BingoBoingo: Well, for most people most things are either myth or magic
asciilifeform: or whatever the technical term for this is.
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell, last night someone blamed the LTC rally on China
assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well if they are reading the logs, I would be happy to sort them out with the GPG and registering with the WoT
benkay: if he straight up ignored the girl she'd probably go bonkers
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know the benkay and bitcoinpete readings of the emails are that the SEC will crash into you. I like to think that decoding your last email has been assigned to a few committees and all of the summer interns
benkay: on the topic of non-sentient-beings: http://amultiverse.com/comic/2010/07/19/sentient-gardens/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine that could be one of the happiest Bitcoins you could ever part with
mike_c: so the suggestion is contracts with different caps?
ThickAsThieves: so allow ability for writer to publisj the cap
mircea_popescu: power over the design i have, but over reality i do not.
ThickAsThieves: or you can accept that you do have power over the design
ThickAsThieves: and these deprived schemes
ThickAsThieves: there's certainly more market to be had
ThickAsThieves: assuming the goal is for action to occur on mpex
ThickAsThieves: it is more an issue of optimizing the product
ThickAsThieves: the "problem" is not a problem in that sense
kakobrekla: cant be booted if one doesnt join in the first place
mike_c: i don't see the problem. 350 contracts sold over the last 30 days by someone who didn't understand. so they lost .1 btc and now they understand.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller because you could sell 1trn hashes per contract or somesuch.
nubbins`: thestringpuller: sure, whatever works for you
ThickAsThieves: not the settlement
ThickAsThieves: hashes represent the USD rate
mircea_popescu: but there's no way to meter hash.
mircea_popescu: if there existed a way to physically deliver we wouldn't have this problem at all.
mike_c: so probably half the participants understood
thestringpuller: nubbins`: we can still go further with it how bout I send you more btc rite nao?
jurov: mircea you refused several times to publish the cumulative cover
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller mebbe, on some days.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: there was no official registration except for VIP's
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought we could just show up in romania on the 17th and just listen to what people had to say
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves you mean the css?
ThickAsThieves: you could always improve the design
ThickAsThieves: "I see myself forced to conclude the contract is not well understood by market participants, which is a problem that will have to be addressed."
nubbins`: was gonna be a cross between the picture of you squinting in the desert and this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Napoleon4.jpg
nubbins`: there's sketches somewhere
nubbins`: thestringpuller was commissioning a portrait of you for the conference, but he sat on his hands too long and it won't be ready
ThickAsThieves: a friend of mine actually is one of the scientists working on these kind bug killers
LordPutin: i would like to see a bitbet that australia wontwin a single group match for the world cup this year
mircea_popescu: there's exactly 0 way he can end up in jail this year.
jcpham: i already dialed 911 and reported the chat
nubbins`: putting out a murder-for-hire does indeed break the rules
kakobrekla: i dun think it fits the rules
kakobrekla: i was there, saw him do it
kakobrekla: theres a po box and everything
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Or we don't even send the check and then when they call, we pretend we're the cleaning service. Heh heh. "Hello? I sorry, no here Kruger."
mircea_popescu: or, in the immortal words of costanza,
topace: the offices are real, feel free to visit them in panama, several community members already have
jurov: mircea in the process of coiroll listing, we are interacting with some virtual entities that seem too stupid to be completely virtual
kakobrekla: its a pass the bomb kinda thing, nefario and ukyo failed on that
topace: November 1, 2013 officially the operation of havelock was handed off to the panama fund s.a.
Shakespeare: the wording has been updated for clarification
topace: but i am still involved in the technical side
kakobrekla: topace is there an official statement re you and hl
topace: i am indeed no longer involved with the BUSINESS side of havelock
mircea_popescu: so they added a spurious n. typo.
sheldonthomas: mircea_popescu but upon further thought the sentence still doesn't make sense because of "nor" in the context of making an action-positive statement
kakobrekla: fuckin noobs not reading the log, i hate those
sheldonthomas: at mircea that's very enlightening thanks for the clarification
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's no sauch thing as poor wording in a contracxt.
mircea_popescu: as a result their contracts say exactly what they mean : LMB is responsible for any havelock theft etc
mircea_popescu: sheldonthomas they're experts with actual lawyers and everything, not some random clueless kids without an education
jurov: mike_c: topace isn't the staff for several months already
nubbins`: too bad nobody bothers
sheldonthomas: in the neobee prospectus it says "LMB Holdings, nor any employee, affiliate, or consultant are liable for any losses caused by default, theft, exploitation, manipulation, “hacking”, or software errors within the host exchange."
mike_c_z: "During negotiations Musk left the auto dealers waiting for two hours while he checked with his manager"
mircea_popescu: this is what they do.
Shakespeare: "They wanted to go direct, which means no sales force. That’s cutting out a lot of people. No way that’s gonna fly."
BingoBoingo: Putin might have some competition http://sploid.gizmodo.com/watch-the-chinese-air-force-bombing-the-yellow-river-to-1547130234
Shakespeare: Auto dealers fire back at Tesla CEO: 'This Musk guy, he wants all the profits for himself'
Shakespeare: they were only prparing
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poopsterbate | Apr 30, 2005 ... I heard Mark poopsterbating on the toilet last night. Andy enjoys to poopsterbate. "Want to watch me poosterbate?" Stephen asked. by ShawnB ...
mircea_popescu: "This is shocking, because nobody in the world has ever seen a penis before. Life as we know it will never be the same."
Ghaleon: we are going thru our Boleshevik revolution now here in the usa
mircea_popescu: the soviets never did this, even.
mircea_popescu: Ghaleon no, more like europe doesn't give a shit and needs the gas.
Ghaleon: Europe sees how cool and fair Putin is... people r getting sick of the usa's meddling and hypocrisy
Ghaleon: Mircea, good point about driving a wedge between ruope and the usa
Ghaleon: Putin = THE MAN
LordPutin: 20mins in he starts talkign about the us
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LordPutin: Putin should just be the president of europe
mircea_popescu: ("i didn't cheat on you honey, the us forced me me!!1 I was duped, and raped!! ")
mircea_popescu: already the traitorous bunch (italy, france, etc)
mircea_popescu: LordPutin his mistake is to call it "the west"
kakobrekla: you only have 4 genders there? UNACEPTABRU
kakobrekla: or the box
kakobrekla: not the square
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Shakespeare: "UK's new 12-sided £1 said to be the world's most secure coin"
BingoBoingo: Wonder if it will turn into a 1000 BTC+ nailbiter near the end
Ghaleon: it is a battle of inches folks. we are making awesome ground. a peoples currency will remove their main pillar of control
ozbot: Bitcoins are like 'glass beads', warns Danish national bank | Technology | theguardian.com
Ghaleon: yeah but Ben still has the US NAVY in his pocket
kakobrekla: ben is out of the picture
Ghaleon: without Spamming Ben will fade away... the boy must spam to sustain himself
mircea_popescu: i tell that to everyone, what. people gotta get with the times.
Ghaleon: the writing was also excellent
Ghaleon: you kicked serious ass brother
mircea_popescu: the old one:"
mircea_popescu: "The new behavior of `walletpassphrase` is to set a new unlock time overriding
mircea_popescu: "Another staff account received nearly 1,800 access denials for pornography Web sites in a two-week period and had more than 600 images saved on her laptops hard drive, the report said." << HER drive ?!
artifexd: I put my gpg key id on my website. Should I link it to a plain text file of the key or to its location on a key server?
Neil: "The Fed has been targeting a 6.5%..." Joke? Like they think they can target anything? The world gets on witih it, they sit there observing.
Shakespeare: yknow who needs to be jailed, the Domain Registry of America people
HeySteve: you have to put the output switch upfront is all
HeySteve: I can get it to display the key but not output to a file for some reason
Shakespeare: "The Fed has been targeting a 6.5% unemployment rate as a gauge to start discussing when to raise interest rates. But several Fed officials have said they don’t find the jobless rate reference useful now that the rate, at 6.7% in February, is near the 6.5% threshold."
nubbins`: what's the usefulness of a backup you can't restore, etc
nubbins`: which you can then copy, paste into a text file on your encrypted whatever
HeySteve: ok but I want to place the original in the encrypted volume so no one can access it (easily)
HeySteve: hey nubbins, I made a new cert and put the revoke on an encrypted volume. any idea where GPG places the cert itself in Windows?
Shakespeare: well at least her people stole a verb outta the deal
LordPutin: id sayitsthesecond one
Duffer1: or the IRS just looking for its pound of flesh
nubbins`: my mother is a gypsy, you insensitive clod
Shakespeare: if i had to guess, it'd be someone who either felt gypped by his offering of the added tranches, and/or someone that felt gypped by the closing settlement
Shakespeare: man these people consume mas porn
Shakespeare: "This stunning report should make everyone question the wisdom of moving forward with plans to give regulators like the SEC even more widespread authority," Issa said
nubbins`: "well, the last 1,799 times i've tried to load motherless, it's been blocked... maybe today is the day"
Shakespeare: "A senior attorney at SEC headquarters in Washington admitted he sometimes spent as much as eight hours viewing pornography from his office computer, according to the report. The attorney’s computer ran out of space for the downloaded images, so he started storing them on CDs and DVDs that he stored in his office."
Shakespeare: "In one instance, a regional office staff account admitted viewing pornography on his office computer and on his SEC-issued laptop while on official government travel. Another staff account received nearly 1,800 access denials for pornography Web sites in a two-week period and had more than 600 images saved on her laptop’s hard drive, the report said."
mircea_popescu: this is extremely lulzy, especially seeing how the girl claimed (and i believe her) tyhat she can't get on freenode.
jurov: so you did not hear from them since?
mircea_popescu: updated with the pdf cause apparently ppls wanted it.
Neil: But there exists a bunch of interesting characters. That's undeniable.
mircea_popescu: LordPutin i read somewhar on the forum that he's a dinosaur - well, at least when wearing heels - and will soon be superseded by some random forumer with opinions
LordPutin: we need mp in the bitcoin community
nubbins`: it's one of those things that behooves you to get straightened away sooner rather than later
HeySteve: thanks Nubbins, will do so. been meaning to check out the system for a while
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, the wot existed in other implementations every time small groups wanted to trade on a large scale.
Neil: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Not sure if MP == MPOE, but yeah I realize most of that. I've felt it's not worth the effort (small group of people who know each other in real life has been enough so far) but I get the point, but not convinced yet.
mircea_popescu: this is the wrong instagram.
mircea_popescu: spammors the lot of ye.
mircea_popescu: that's nice, but this is a public channel and it is logged, as per the topic.
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Neil: mircea_popescu: Kinda surprised by your faith in WoT. I'm not on it, but have had many dealings with reputable "players". Not sure I believe anything on it, given the rep it assigned to "pirateat40" just before he "did the inevitable".
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HeySteve: is there someone you guys would recommend to handle escrow?
Neil: I recall there was a John K scam accusation that lasted about 3 wks last September-ish, and went quiet in an unconvincing way.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well he was the escrow for so many shitty forum things
Neil: Duffer1: This company has no leverage at all! The previous one did, but still did nothing. It's all just lawyer crap.
Neil: "Yes". "But I'm not gonna sign it for you for the first time, given my history of not signing this shit". "Oh, OK."
Duffer1: they'll dick around with your severance if you don't sign that
Neil: Usual game of "didn't we ask send you the papers".
Neil: As always, asked to sign "Confidentiality agreement". Turned up without said paper, amongst all the rest.
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide
Neil: I hope the next 5 years makes joe blow aware of his level of brainwashing. But not holding my breath.
mircea_popescu: there.
mircea_popescu: You are the sort of brainwashed halfwit who thinks the responsibility for the lost BTC of MtGOX customers lies with the customers, because "it's their fault for using MtGOX".
mircea_popescu: however, she was born in the soviets.
mircea_popescu: if given the choice, this girl would have been doing something a little less retarded with her life.
mircea_popescu: Neil so people think, but from what i know the bureaucrats rarely actually enjoy their job
Neil: But given her intro, I'm sure she loved the effect that "enforcement office for the SEC" or whatever it was had on 90% of the plebs
mircea_popescu: she's no different from the average indian girl, except the indian girl is 19 not 29
mircea_popescu: and read a script to them.
mircea_popescu: which requires her basically to try and get people to talk to her on the phone
mircea_popescu: her job sucks,. for the record.
Neil: waxman had enough of being made the fool of
Duffer1: they'd need more than just a request from a functionary in order for things to get more interesting
mircea_popescu: two weeks is the term.
Neil: mircea_popescu: Was amusing to read your 1-way conversation with the SEC. Did they respond beyond what you posted, or did it just go silent?
mircea_popescu: are they intending to colonize that island or what.
Neil: Not even sure it's possible without the actual public key. Is it?
Neil: I think you need the signature, the message and the address. I doubt 2 of those 3 is enough for software
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because the powerfully retarded rangers are retarded. that format is fucking useless.
Apocalyptic: mircea, I believe the address nor the date is included in the sig, it's just a b64 ecoding of binary data
mircea_popescu: incidentally, people running bots : how about adding a command that will parse one of these sigsigned shits into human format ?
nubbins`: is there a max limit to how far out? i was thinking april 1 2015
nubbins`: didn't want some bozo with a spare 20btc to just buy up and own the bet
nubbins`: the low volume presents a dilemma tho
nubbins`: i'm trying to construct a reasonably sound bet on the price of s.mg, and i'm wondering if anyone has input on the conditions
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the mod stacked it 9/1, exactly opposite of the 1/11 the bettors stacked it.
Neil: Well given the above info it's a matter of public record what my initial bet was. What happened thereafter is for you to guess and me to know.
mircea_popescu: judging by the addresses he bet on no
Apocalyptic: Neil, you bet on the Yes side I presume
Neil: b.t.w. I claim full credit for the 10% bet
mircea_popescu: 1.5ish as wide, about the same as tall as it is inow
mircea_popescu: like instead of going to the right of Histograph: make it go under
mircea_popescu: there's a plot of that in every bet, that little rectangle.
Neil: There are some that just turn out to be flukes at the last moment (like the gox collapse in the last 2 weeks of the gox price > 150 bet)
mircea_popescu: the beauty of a functioning free market, which bitbet amply is by now, is that it really doesn't matter so much : whatever value you pick the odds will probably stack correctly.
davout: basically my point is that the mm algo is now what i imagined it to be initially, so that it should work as everyone expects it
davout: two weeks, no volume, the mm must be running
mircea_popescu: then ask again in a week or w/e :D
mircea_popescu: which of the two have you been doing ?
davout: mircea_popescu: tiny walls shouldn't really matter since if you place an order the mm bot will now trade against it
mircea_popescu: "all the humanistic victories of Soviet socialism" oh save me rwanda. asciilifeform what the fuck is the gent on about.
mircea_popescu: i see no other explanation.
only: wisdom of the crowd in action?
mircea_popescu: it is simply not belivable how tight these bets get.
LordPutin: they havea file on you as well dood
Apocalyptic: so some LordPutin is afraid of the SEC ?
HeySteve: not sure they'll have much better luck with Bitcoin
frenchie: nice talk with the sec
chetty: the title got me:
antephialtic: dhenson: I'm worried for MP. Romania has a MLAT with the US. They can request romanian gov to compel MP to produce MPEx records
dhenson: lol @ MP's exchange with the SEC.
joecruel: er ;; is the trigger in here
joecruel: antephialtic: i assume you are aware mircea is not currently in the channel
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: I assume you are aware that Romania has a MLA treaty with the US
bitcoinpete: philosophy, history. this clicked like nothing else. spent the last year trying to find my bearings. so here we are… blogging about mp's travails and waltzing across logs à la https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsZZ2s3xv8
bitcoinpete: benkay: well, in a nutshell, those were the dreams-of-smed-school days, a dream resolved by B- grades and a lot of poker. after undergrad, this being alberta, i spent a year selling trucks and started blogging. after selling truck got boring, i did an after-degree in environmental health and spent 2.5 years working as a public health inspector with the province. then…bitcoin. always had an interest in tech, investing,
moiety: and err youre right, i'd keep that to yourself re the 'rents XD
benkay: theme park for nominally adult people.
benkay: it's just not polite to say to the babe's family that their part of the world will be delivered unto the ocean along with them and all of their systems of belief and we'll all be much better for it.
benkay: in a 'wheels come off society everything headed for oblivion and everyone singing blithely' sort of way
benkay: the place is kinda fascinating