BingoBoingo: Eh, I think when I was out friday someone I gave less gentle design suggestions to was trying to hunt me down when I came back to the logs
benkay: and i appreciate that you all let me fix it in my own time, with only the occasional gentle suggestions.
benkay: i also knew it then.
benkay: their os is utter shite, but their dev tools make it possible for the averagely-intelligenced to participate in the big corporate software development dance.
benkay: microsoft's dev tools are pretty good is the funny thing about that statement
BingoBoingo: The big underlying theme its whole run though has been people hating an OS by a company primarily concerned with making cruddy dev tools
BingoBoingo: It's nice, its familiar, and I understand the culture
BingoBoingo: I dunno that there could have been a better way to get that information.
BingoBoingo: The OpenBSD saved by MP got roughly 15x the views the Counterparties link did. The two slashdots were a valuable experiment in seeing the crowd's view of Bitcoin as magic savior of geeks versus a functional tool for use.
BingoBoingo: Oh, there isn't much of one.
benkay: what's the rush, anyways.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nice. I'm rather glad I reposted that because the first instance never got any traction.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: the current trend in behavior is to just toss your two cents in as you read through the logs, directed at the people making interesting comments
BingoBoingo: Apparently I missed the discussion on US police
benkay: oh if only i had the time
BingoBoingo: Next step might be running open Genera in a VM as your primary operating system and depreciating the *nix things
BingoBoingo: Maybe that is just the aging process
benkay: maybe not, though. i did a complete 180 on my personal image over the past four months as our firm has gained traction.
benkay: (my colleagues would gasp in shock if they heard me opining about design)
benkay: need to deploy some capital against the design to get it just right, but i've finally ripped out all the modern garbage.
benkay: not quite there yet.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Like the new look
benkay: there wasn't much.
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I thought Smoothie had the physical litecoins
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete hey frere if you need pronouns for me feel free to use my actual handle in the future
MisterE: another example of an entire "news" story without a single link: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/here-s-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse-20140318
joecool: if it is missing while I am gone, I should be able to revoke the key in the amount of time it takes them to open it
joecool: mircea_popescu: bolt cutters to take it and shouldn't be too hard top open in in the right environment after
bitcoinpete: "Our Blockchain wallet passphrase was 10 alphanumeric upper and lowercase characters but was not as strong as it could have been, with some similarities to our passwords used on other apps. " http://www.fr33aid.com/1511/fr33-aid-bitcoins-stolen/
novusordo: sleep is for the weak
joecool: ideally you'd be able to jam a pin in directly on the device to activate it but this increases cost and size substantially
bitcoinpete: at least the canadian bitcoins guy had someone to blame, the flexcoin guy was just like "oops, what happened? peace up, a-town down"
bitcoinpete: dexX7: from the article you linked, second page
joecool: ie. if you did leave your unlock key on a public computer it wouldn't matter unless the attacker also held your device
joecool: mircea_popescu: except the secret is worthless without the token, if someone had that secret they'd still need physical possession of the device
mircea_popescu: what if you accidentally leave the string in paste buffer or w/e
joecool: mircea_popescu: i figured you'd say as much, it does seem trivial though to echo a string into the device before key generation, have it set a default counter to 3, and require that same string to be passed to the device in order to activate signing function
joecool: mircea_popescu: assuming i leave it out by accident to go take a shit or whatever, attacker can sign whatever he wants with it, i will know it happened later on when the signature counter is incremented but who knows what he'll have done by that time with my identity
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: 21:09:35mircea_popescu:the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs
joecool: the cardano seems ok if you can maintain physical security, it doesn't even try to stop an opportunistic attacker, i really don't see why it shouldn't have at least a simple auth system
bitcoinpete: from citizen: "Canadian Bitcoins is the latest bitcoin exchange to be successfully targeted by thieves. Japanese Mt. Gox was forced out of business last month after hackers successfully infiltrated the exchanges’ security and stole as much as $468 million US worth of bitcoin." karpeles is a hacker now?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: link fixed, just deleted that last / and it fixed itself. and i thought you'd like the art bit.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: you're right, the cardano isn't the holy grail. but teleportation still is. i've edited the article accordingly.
dexX7: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ottawa+bitcoin+exchange+defrauded+cyber+currency/9628321/story.html this is better. "Rogers said it has offered Canadian Bitcoins a “credit” as a result of the situation. Grant said the credit was nowhere near sufficient to cover the company’s loss and as a result his firm is contemplating legal action."
mircea_popescu: story ends there.
asciilifeform: anyone who voluntarily does business with them is chumpatron fuel
asciilifeform: at this point, these folks can be safely considered as lowered into goxerasty
mircea_popescu: "Rogers Data Centres told the Citizen that it is cooperating with the investigation, but that the security issue is not indicative of larger problems at its company."
asciilifeform: 'At no point during the nearly two-hour-long conversation was the caller asked to verify his identity.' << by coughing up a magic number known to every spammer, aha right
MisterE: I was sure aliens snatched it out of the air :)
antephialtic: no further info.
joecool: mircea_popescu: if you look hard enough you can find any name in the US, someone named their kid Adolf Hitler a couple towns over
mircea_popescu: joecool well, maybe they find some old guy named mircea popescu somewhere close to burbank.
MisterE: It would be akin to walking around Can Cun back up away from the beach where the narco mansions are
MisterE: also lots of drug gangs and chances for big problems if you wanter off the well worn path without a guide /friend in Laos
antephialtic: Vang Vieng is a party location. Went there when I was in college with a few friends. It's like heaven on earth
MisterE: antephialtic: thats how they pronounce it but proper spelling is Vientiane, I have been there several times for visas but can't say I enjoy the place
mircea_popescu: basically, copy/pasted the bloomberg story.
mircea_popescu: "SatoshiDice.com, according to a copy of the request posted on the website trilema.com."
antephialtic: they don't wanna give mpex any pagerank
MisterE: such crap journalism these days
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "This means that the physical machine which hosts the trading engine is not accessible directlyii from the Internet." <<< so if i were to vpn a machine with a private gpg key and send data over the wire (via some computer) I would never have to worry about the keyring being compromised? Or is the most effective way to sign/encrypt/decrypt/verify data on an airgapped machine then marshall it over v
antephialtic: Thailand is quite cheap, yes. Lots of security people there as well
MisterE: I recommend everyone with a head on their shoulders gtfo of US now
MisterE: joecool: I might have told you once in the past heh
joecool: MisterE: you're the second one who has told me that now
MisterE: I left the US 8-years ago and never looked back best thing I ever did
MisterE: joecool: living in the US is suspicious behavior
asciilifeform: many years ago, as a freshly graduated kid, i worked in a dreadful salt mine where one of the products was a military bot based on a segway with the top part sawn off.
antephialtic: to keep the homeless away
antephialtic: In many parts of the US, especially the south, townships are designed such that walking is impractical and everyone must have a car
joecool: mircea_popescu: walking in the US is suspicious behavior
joecool: mircea_popescu: true story, I was actually stopped by a cop multiple times one day because I decided to walk to the next town instead of driving one day, he damanded to know my destination and I refused to provide him with it.
dexX7: says a guy who rides a horse in the desert ;)
asciilifeform: 'poetic justice' - the idiot who bought segway corp. ended up driving his... off a cliff.
antephialtic: Dean Kamen must have had a friend in the DoJ
asciilifeform: accounted for a good fraction of the net sales
joecool: mircea_popescu: the bigger ones moved up to SUVs. more room
asciilifeform: if they're 'the bullet with your name on it, not the shrapnel addressed 'to occupant'' - doesn't matter if you're black, white, martian
Mats_cd03: cops is a theatrical production
gribble: The operation succeeded.
antephialtic: police treatment in the US is very different depending on race and socioeconomic status
Mats_cd03: if someone makes t shirts with "i am satoshi nakamoto" with a v for vendetta theme or ghost in the shell, i will be your first customer
mircea_popescu: but i do imagine it makes administerting justice in the us fucking impossible.
benkay: no no it was much better the first way
mircea_popescu: the two are distinct.
mircea_popescu: antephialtic they probably will.
mircea_popescu: to make a friendly request you gotta be friends. the path ot becoming friends is detailed.
mircea_popescu: basically, there's two avenues open. you can make a legal request, or you can make a legal request.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it doth say there, mpex does comply with legal requests.
antephialtic: well, good luck with the SEC business. I suspect it will bring you a lot of attention, releasing those emails has definitely already made some waves.
antephialtic: do you actually write the tweets?
mircea_popescu: rather than telegenic
mircea_popescu: actually come to think of it... i'm like kirk, if the bridge bunnies were actually useful
diametric: and of course the one where everyone in this channel is you.
novusordo: didn't know about the cardano, interesting
diametric: I like the ones where you're not actually a person, but a group of individuals pretending to be a guy named Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: "Make no mistake that the US gov't already knows the real identity and location of MP."
mircea_popescu: like the superbowl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like to imagine that it covers the cost of a girl etching the new key in a granite plinth
mircea_popescu: and even there... reg new key, push assets, good to go.
asciilifeform: diametric: afaik the only well-known, interesting place where key can never be changed is mpex
asciilifeform: but two weeks later, there it was
asciilifeform: diametric: assuming, naturally, control of the previous key
antephialtic: indeed. as long as the price is not obscene, I am willing to pay for convenience without sacrificing security.
asciilifeform: the old saw, 'xxxx is free if yer time has no value'
asciilifeform: do not neglect to take into account what the substitute costs (incl. one's time)
asciilifeform: that is, the contrivance i assume everyone here is presently using in lieu of a cardano
asciilifeform: intent is for the product to be priced competitively vs. the state-of-the-art alternative (i.e. the traditional '90s laptop with linux/gpg in ROM)
antephialtic: cool, do you have any idea what the pricing will be like?
asciilifeform: this is certainly one of the intended use scenarios, yes.
antephialtic: I was recently looking into buying a hardware device for GPG signing and everything on the market looks pretty clunky. I stumbled onto the Cardano, and it seemed pretty well suited to my use case
asciilifeform: why the hurry?
asciilifeform: antephialtic: there is to be a cardano at mp's party. if you really can't wait, you can come and buy that one.
mircea_popescu: uh, whatdid they try to delete ?
mircea_popescu: the internet saves paper.
asciilifeform: or, the slightly more determined, buy/build 'dc-dc' converters, of the kind described previously.
asciilifeform: hence people buy 'regulators' - e.g. the ubiquitous 7805
asciilifeform: 'buck converter' is more efficient, in that it works by letting a cap charge to the desired voltage and then empty into another
mircea_popescu: ie, they discharge at a given rate, you can alter their actual voltage by the resistence ?
asciilifeform: which is to say, they are, in the sense that a li cell that's been dead for decades will sometimes measure 3.0
asciilifeform: for the voltage buck
BCB: talk about following the money
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hope they did at least a dozen troll secretions/year
BCB: these guys don't fuck around
BCB: antephialtic, here is the full history of documents: http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.docket.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: getting your patent 'secreted' was once the ultimate crackpot 'street cred' (e.g. flanagan and 'neurophone')
antephialtic: BCB: you have a link to the original complaint?
[\]: By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. Many such orders were imposed on individuals and organizations working without government support. This number shrank for each fiscal year thereafter, until 2002. Since 2002, the number of secrecy orders has grown, with 5,002 secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2007.
BCB: antephialtic, that is the motion for summary judgement
Ademan: diametric: you're not in ##electronics ? Anyways http://www.ttiinc.com/object/Murata-Power-High-Efficiency-Switching-Regulators-LM78xx-Pinouts.html actually *isn't* the one I was thinking of but it's the right idea
[\]: mircea_popescu: I forgot you don't play well in the sandbox.
BCB: antephialtic, have you viewed any of the SEC's workproduct pretaining to the pirateat40 case? It's pretty impressive
[\]: why you gotta be harassing the nice sec lady?
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson (not to you, but to us) on the importance of using techniques such as merge avoidance, coinjoin & coinswap.
diametric: I'm just curious, the easiest ones I've seen have been the ti simpler switcher ones, but they're not at all a dropin for a 7805
Ademan: like, $10 pricey, if you want them for prototyping and don't summon too much blue smoke they're probably useful though
antephialtic: and the bumpkins at the SEC may have been given access to such a tool built by such a contractor.
antephialtic: perhaps the SEC is inept, but there are other agencies in the US government that contract services from non-inept firms to do their dirty work
Ademan: diametric: there's a buck converter that's intended to be a drop in for the 7805 actually, it's a bit pricey though
diametric: anyone have a particular cheap 5v buck converter module on ebay they've had not burn their homes down?
mircea_popescu: so far they have problems spelling their domain name and following their own regulation.
antephialtic: makes you wonder just how far along they are on deanonymization
BCB: SEC has a blockchain parser with you names next to all the addresses.
mircea_popescu: you know, just because i ask for x y z doesn't automatically mean i consider all of these "identification"
antephialtic: the SEC asked you to identify MPEx shareholders of S.DICE, and was willing to accept Name and address OR btc address
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: do you find it curious that they were willing to accept BTC addresses as identification?
antephialtic: ah, nevermind then
Ademan: He can afford a lawyer, maybe his lawyer informed him otherwise :-p
Ademan: antephialtic: the SEC?
decimation: In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans.
decimation: the irony of all this ukrainian nazi talk is that germans were in ukraine for a long time - they were forcibly resettled by Stalin http://www.geocurrents.info/place/russia-ukraine-and-caucasus/the-tragic-saga-of-the-volga-germans
nubbins`: it's like a competition to see whose website can look the shittiest
benkay: bonus side effect of ripping out the css and js from my site is how much more snappy it is.
ozbot: The Satoshi Dice Contract
dexX7: nice, archive.org also archived the prospectus pdfs etc.
mircea_popescu: robertmcmillan ^ there's your link
benkay: mircea_popescu: may i post a copy of the s.dice contract on my blog?
mircea_popescu: anyone kept a copy of the s.dice contract ?
benkay: although now the linespacing issue with footnotes is just that much more apparent.
benkay: Ademan: you missed the secret sauce with that one-liner.
mircea_popescu: then milpcoin
mircea_popescu: who go to specialised stores and buy tools on the principle that the tools are useful, and so why not buy some tools.
mircea_popescu: novusordo there are people who consider themselves into various technical fields, such as buildingh
novusordo: so that i can pump both at the same time
deadweasel: that is the question
Ademan: deadweasel: well show me the shell/BTC exchange so I can convert them to something useful for me and sure!
ThickAsThieves: send them to my cryptsy wallet
ThickAsThieves: best not to pretend otherwise
kakobrekla: yes well i dont want to do the dishes
dexX7: that was probably related to the tape out in january
kakobrekla: the money flow nao is user->bbet->user, to implement alt you do it user->service->bbet->service->user
dexX7: Ademan: additionally there are some who believe there was already a test run with the new chips and a reseller already promoted an am gen3 based miner
ThickAsThieves: or, you could just only use the content and outcome of bitbet, and handle your own escrow of alts
asciilifeform: Ademan: where is the RAM?
dexX7: Ademan: well, tape-out was scheduled for end of january, but there was no delievery date published to my knowledge
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps i misunderstood then
asciilifeform: roughly, fooling the system by betting in a particular way should always have -EV.
ThickAsThieves: there's mor ethan one way to design such a thing for bitbet, so i could see a bad design being possible
asciilifeform: not that it's a bad idea per se, just that the builder must be careful to avoid creating a situation where someone can lift out of his pockets by artificially steering the machine using a heavy bet
Shakespeare: the bet is closed man
Shakespeare: the bet is over no?
diametric: How is the market cap going to be determined in that bet?
gribble: Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate: <http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html>; Overcoming Bias : My Moldbug Debate: <http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/my-moldbug-debate.html>; Bruce Charlton's Miscellany: The Leftism of Mencius Moldbug: <http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-leftism-of-mencius-moldbug.html>
ozbot: Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate
asciilifeform: 'Imagine a chess game. Now, imagine a group of kibitzers watching the chess game. Now, imagine the kibitzers begin to bet on the game. The betting will create odds. The odds express each side's probability of winning. This is a prediction market. To turn this prediction market into a decision market, we say: could we get rid of one of the players, and just have the kibitzers play the game?'
diametric: theres ltc bombs if i'm not mistaken
Ademan: it's also a sufficient PITA to buy BTC (legally) and the average person *likes* investing in HerpDerp Corp, and are no doubt frightened by there being no CEO of Bitcoin to hate
ozbot: BitBeat: KnCMiner Flips the Scrypt; Sells $2 Million of New Rigs in Four Hours - MoneyBeat - WSJ
Shakespeare: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/19/bitbeat-kncminer-flips-the-scrypt-sells-2-million-of-new-rigs-in-four-hours/?mod=WSJBlog
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the average american owns some bezzle called 401k
Shakespeare: oh they are SO COOL for not spelling out Winklevoss
Shakespeare: "SecondMarket Inc. is racing to open up a private bitcoin investment fund to ordinary investors as soon as the fourth quarter, potentially beating a rival offering by two investors best known for their lawsuit against Facebook Inc. FB -1.37% chief executive Mark Zuckerberg."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand the press do you.
Ademan: asciilifeform: Well the objectionable part of IP for me is more patent trolling, punishing independent discovery of the same thing, stupidly narrow fair use policies. I'd definitely be ok with an independent institution that tracks initial discoveries, and if the market is willing to pay more for products from them, then great
benderp: mircea_popescu: i know. kinda why i bring it to the sages.
asciilifeform: Ademan: how does WoT = IP << see mp's piece on how 'the same string, emitted from different mouths, is worth different amount'
Ademan: (not the perl meaning though)
Shakespeare: they survive, via WoT
Shakespeare: <benderp> Shakespeare: what was the slippage on that one? /// I dunno if it'd be fair to assess considering the volatility daily, but I think the sale started about 20% higher than where it ended
mircea_popescu: Ademan kinda in the same boat myself.
dexX7: "Some of the sources are at http://github.com/trezor/. We are in the process of finalizing and cleaning up the sources and preparing a security audit of the code. We will publish the sources before shipping TREZOR to our customers."
asciilifeform: but, why should i steal all of the surprises? it's unsportsmanlike.
Ademan: not that I'll give them any money right now though
asciilifeform: although there are interesting bits that can be inferred merely from the pcb mask posted by the author.