mircea_popescu: does that mean you were in prison there ?
mircea_popescu: and more interestingly so than the white equivalent, dearly loved as "pc speak"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, that's only because you don't speak either russian or fringe chinese/indian languages
ThickAsThieves: black and hip hop culture might be the most vibrant source of new vernacular in the world
artifexd: "ain't" is black vernacular? I thought it was southern venacular. Source: I grew up in Texas.
mircea_popescu: but i happen to think some bits of black vernacular are expressive. i use ain't all the time.
mircea_popescu: unidentified bits of what probably were clothes
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves at the end there was about 1 ton of paper residue, 1/4 ton of textile residue taken from the grounds
VanCleef: music is really terrible these days
mircea_popescu: maybe it was the last generation that had any unobstructed view of us reality.
ThickAsThieves: maybe it was the drugs
ThickAsThieves: they still wear cargo jeans and band t-shirts
ThickAsThieves: an odd thing about goth/industrial/rapcore fans from the 80s/90s is they never seem able to shake it
ThickAsThieves: what better swan song could the guy have had?
mircea_popescu: why did the cure go to shit btw ?
ThickAsThieves: other than looking ridiculous and making cool music
ThickAsThieves: i dont now much about the man
mircea_popescu: minus all the xtian bs.
VanCleef: judging from mirceas pics he seems to have a good taste in clothes
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ThickAsThieves: except in the sun
ThickAsThieves: just change the colors and patterns
ThickAsThieves: generally i already do wear the same thing every day already
ThickAsThieves: artifexd, mostly that'd be design or funding, not sure what other relevant skills i might have to an atcdice
artifexd: <ThickAsThieves> lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide << I missed that. My response: Thanks! I will.
Mats_cd03: men on the extreme ends of perceived sexual norms (e.g. black vs asians in the media) seem to have fewer problems with dressing fashionably
heat: got the moves?
heat: they all
ThickAsThieves: i'd wear the same thing every day if people stopped fixating on that being weird
ThickAsThieves: i'm sure there are plenty people with style still
MisterE: back in the 60s people had style
ThickAsThieves: just how they are being presented as 'style'
MisterE: are they like Carhart?
ThickAsThieves: really i have nothing against his clothes
mircea_popescu: and i think there's more.
ThickAsThieves: so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories
MisterE: no budget has ever included the 10 years war(s)
MisterE: the pieces of the pie they argue over that include social services are definitely the small ones.
MisterE: the leaked "black budget" gave us a bit more insight and you can extrapolate how they compartmentalize from there
mircea_popescu: in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves
mircea_popescu: it's meanwhile disappeared, but the problem's only gotten worse.
mircea_popescu: there was a rash of reporting their haliburtonesque mismanagement of resources in 2002-2003
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves because otherwise all their unjustifiable expenses stand out as a sore thumb
MisterE: homeland sec doesn't include all law enforcement either
nubbins`: it's worked into the Offense budget
ThickAsThieves: why isn't Homeland Security part of the Defense budget?
artifexd: I may have to just reset the genesis block and remove the checkpoints and start mining it myself.
pankkake: ouch, it's wrong then
ThickAsThieves: lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide
pankkake: artifexd: I don't think there ever was a altcoin testnet. if it's configured in the code, you can start it yourself I guess!
pankkake: yeah, very tired and irlbusy these last few weeks
mircea_popescu: o hey there.
mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, use the ATC newtork, it's a direct copy of bitcoin
artifexd: ThickAsThieves Do you know anyone running the altcoin testnet that I can connect to?
VanCleef: they're dying
ThickAsThieves: <Neil> Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. /// probly ASICMINER stuff
MisterE: haha and BCF hate at the end love it
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mircea_popescu: and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point
mircea_popescu: tho both concepts are in general currency ( http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2008/12/16/madoff-galbraith-and-the-bezzle/ )
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't mention him, other people keep mentioning him, like herbi and ascii. i thnk he's mostly clueless and generally vain.
Duffer1: oh is he the fuffles guy?
mircea_popescu: some strange ideas in there, and most of it oldman nonsense. there's no absolute limit to physical development.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Neil: They're coming out every 5mins on average.
mircea_popescu: that's the official, definitive, correct figure. 377k.
MisterE: not calling the whole LTC on Huobi thing a scam just very heavily manipulated but all markets are manipulated so... The writing was on the wall for me luckily I guess.
Neil: I'm sure they're spending more not less.
mircea_popescu: you substract inflation from the 2009 figures
mircea_popescu: i recall recently seeing the us budget, and it was 100ish
Neil: mircea_popescu: Judging from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States and adding 3 yrs of inflation I think we're closer to 10 ** 12.
mircea_popescu: so then 60 / 6 = (60 / 6) ?
Neil: ;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 rather
mircea_popescu: they ususally are
mircea_popescu: bout there, 100ish.
Neil: They spend more than that no?
mircea_popescu: fun fact : any point btc is over 1240 usd, the bitcoin network is spending more for its own security than the united states government spends on defense.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cares about the spot
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is much more than the us, why shouldn't it spend much more ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the us spends what, 100bn on defense a year ?
mircea_popescu: that's why the throwing money isn't stopping, i'd guess.
Neil: Geez the last 60 blocks have been in half-time
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve2 "I believe every caller on talk radio, just like I believe every story on zh." << there you go. it's like playboy forum by now.
chetty: Russia has amassed enough forces on Ukraines border to reach the dispute region of Transnistria, NATOs top military commander told a conference in Brussels on Sunday, Reuters reported.
mircea_popescu: so in general expect pump and dumps to be punctured randomly and outside of the originator's control going forward, so as to hurt the originator and his friends.
mircea_popescu: this isn't supposed to be a "milking noobs for years" thing, and it's not supposed to be either accessible to or productive for the sort of car salesman that thinks himself a financier now.
mircea_popescu: MisterE except the only exchange owner we know is me, and so i guess you can use trilema for that purpose.
HeySteve2: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-30/other-america-taxpayers-are-fools-working-stupid
MisterE: Either way you're screwed in the US, this pretty much sums it up: http://i.imgur.com/PPzfayh.jpg
chetty: yeah he cut the looking for work stuff
cazalla: "The overview shows the number of people receiving government payments in 2012 was 5,033,323, with the age pension making up almost half that number at 2,282,592"
cazalla: MisterE: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/australias-unsustainable-welfare-system-to-be-overhauled-says-minister
MisterE: that always seemed to be the kind of state you guys had managed to make
MisterE: you know the US libertarian ideal?
cazalla: MisterE: I would only get away talking like this at the pub, not in general public, there are just as many who would disagree with me but they typically want to pile on for the free shit from the government
MisterE: naah I learned a lot about how Austrailians think and whats really going on there from this chat
cazalla: MisterE: it is but i only talk when drunk and unlikely to say anything intelligible then
bounce: but at least it's /your/ jerk for king of the hill
MisterE: bounce: depends on the cause
MisterE: the remaining 90 will suddenly remember what is important in life and we'll have another generation or 2 of harmony
bounce: I think you both are wallowing in the same kind of feeling put upon that got the activists up before and had them change the gov't and such more to their liking
cazalla: well, i've been drinking hence the shit spewing out of my mouth
MisterE: yea, given the human condition as I see it it's understandable
cazalla: no wonder men prefer to sit in their parents basement playing video games
bounce: you take care of yourself, pay taxes, gov't takes care of those who can't help themselves with "free money". then more and more people want in on the free monies, and so it goes.
MisterE: cant blam the govs only imho people have come to expect too much from gov
bounce: well, wasn't it the /national/ government that fscked it all up so bad?
MisterE: no and I can't find anywhere in the world better
cazalla: i'm jack of it and i suspect there are a growing number of people like me from the middle class who won't put up with it for much longer
cazalla: hopefully hitler reincarnate will come back here, appropriate everything foreign owned, send the refugees back home (85% without a job, still on welfare after 5 years? fuck that)
cazalla: i don't see how else you can unite a people and kick out the leeches
MisterE: those chinese dont want to live in the bush
MisterE: because there's not a ton of livable land
MisterE: older than you but not enough to be your father
MisterE: that property should be held by the members of that homogenous society you mentioned no?
MisterE: burned up with doctor visits and working part-time after a long life of toiling for the corps
MisterE: the golden years
MisterE: at least it is not as big and bad as the mess US baby boomers are leaving to their grandchildren
cazalla: but they're hanging around for as long as they can because the pension isn't enough to sustain them
cazalla: many still in the workforce though
MisterE: they've left you a nice mess
Dimsler: they are already retiring
MisterE: start running up a debt like the US and you'll be foreced to
cazalla: but they won't do anything because that many people get welfare now that it's political suicide
MisterE: oh so everyone is in the tit
MisterE: cutting welfare costs is non an unpopular topic for campaigns in the US
MisterE: so vote in politicians who will reign in the welfare?
cazalla: you can't because they destroyed our homogeneous society by bringing in boat loads of people who don't share the culture, don't care for the country but have their hand out for welfare
MisterE: I had no idea there was that uch frustration
MisterE: vote the bums out organize
cazalla: anyway, i think the situation is too far gone here in Australia as it likely has in the rest of the world
MisterE: OK it's impossible to change shit in the US at the ballot box because it's corporate owned but shit you still have a functioning democracy you could make use of
cazalla: MisterE: pointless being pissed at the politicians who enable them because my vote makes no difference and they don't care once they are in office anyway
MisterE: If Katrina had hit The Hamptons you think people would be drowning in their second story homes?
MisterE: Diablo-D3: Americans are some of the worst most uncaring people I've ever met and I'm pretty well travelled everywhere except Europe and North Asia / Russia
Diablo-D3: its okay to go back to the land, as long as you do responsibly
Diablo-D3: cazalla: yes, and thats because they've been brainwashed by people who dont have their best interests in mind
cazalla: MisterE: and I'm hostile (some would say hateful) because I am paying for it as is the rest of the middle class and we're jack of it
cazalla: MisterE: they don't want a better life, they want to live in the bush as they did before the British came here, I am happy for them to do that, government is not and they keep throwing money at them
Diablo-D3: no free pass just because they're native american
Diablo-D3: but its because they DIDNT go to better homes
Diablo-D3: cazalla: they did it here
MisterE: Why are you hostile to the people who just want a better life? You should be pissed at your representatives in Sydney who are making policy on how to handle it and I guess believe in handouts for people who can't vote?
cazalla: Diablo-D3: the australian government removed indigenous children from homes like that, 50 years later, lawsuits everywhere
Diablo-D3: its appalling what some americans do to others, and then make them think it was their idea
Diablo-D3: growing up in an environment that isnt 24/7 drugs, rape, and whatnot is one of them
cazalla: if it was an even playing field, i probably wouldn't be so hostile to them like most australian's are
MisterE: look at the US indian reservations for examples
cazalla: they are
MisterE: anyone else so comes from abroad should not be able to get benefits even if they can't show they are there legally or a citizen
cazalla: abos have been given more than any other people in this country MisterE
cazalla: so you've got middle class tax payer upset that immigrants, asylum seekers, illegals etc etc are flooding the country, draining the welfare system while they pay for it in increased taxes, gov sells off it's assets to pay for people that don't even belong here
MisterE: not that I'm particularly happy the welfare system is paying into aboriginals and decimating the culture but... not my country
MisterE: but not by the aboriginals?
cazalla: because they have white guilt
cazalla: they're happy to be flooded by immigrants
MisterE: got a couple mates around there
cazalla: other way, Melbourne
cazalla: yeah, they do
MisterE: is there no efort to locate people who overstay?
cazalla: so we vote for whoever will keep them out yet no politician is game to get up and say he will sink the boats and feed the people to the sharks
cazalla: the last election was pretty much won on who would be tougher on boat people
cazalla: one party wins, they'll rule for 2 periods and then we will swap to the other team for 2 periods and on it goes
MisterE: at least it's not first pass the post system
cazalla: 2 party system here, both are the same
cazalla: i am finding a lot of people my age no longer care, don't even bother voting even though it's compulsory
MisterE: so candidates cater to them
MisterE: not much participation by any but the extremists
MisterE: it's shifted so far to the right that conservatives of old would not even have a place in the spectrum anymore
MisterE: Yeah, what is the major malfunction with your cops sheesh? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-snowden-australias-cops-worry-about-people-using-crypto/
MisterE: yea seppo is the term
cazalla: moot says 95% of the shit posters on 4chan are from australia
MisterE: because we're awake at the same time and you seem to be one of the few countries left who can stand us :P
MisterE: I wonder how much traffic they are getting
MisterE: I'm good at the craps table because I play a very conservative game, max odds and try to bet the trends, I'm up ~$15k in my lifetime and I was sort of feeling the same way abotu crypto, I'm doing OK but could all go to hell in one game
cazalla: always seemed to cash out at the right time
cazalla: not that i knew it at the time
MisterE: Even the simplest of tricks I se often like putting up a big wall and when the market starts moving canceling the order
MisterE: cazalla: no matter where you trade there is manipulation so might as well trade on the exchange where it mostly happens so you can see it
MisterE: I sold at 19.5 just before it went live, I told people to buy the hype sell the news but I know a lot of bag holders and people that got burned
cazalla: MisterE: I don't think the Chinese care for it, majority of the volume is still on btc-e, I figure coblee kicked this off on his brother's exchange just so he could sell without fees or risk
MisterE: I'm beginning to think crypto has jumped the near-term shark
MisterE: for weekend these markets are absolutely flat
MisterE: indeed, if only there were an organization already in place who could take on such a mission...
MisterE: so hard keeping track of these dodgy characters
MisterE: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/index.php looks like a really pro exchange with the latest news from 15th of last month...
Diablo-D3 has been busy the past 3 months
chetty: just rehashing the sec exchange
chetty: hopefully people will get the idea and stop shaking in their boots when the gubermint comes calling
chetty: MisterE, the whole email exchange is at:
MisterE: [23:25:09] mircea_popescu: but im the elitist asshole to end all elitist assholes.
MisterE: [23:24:41] Ghaleon: mp, yes, the challenge is finding that person who can build the epic bridges and present the right face... without going insane for long enough this community is doing an awesomejob
MisterE: [23:23:48] mircea_popescu: Ghaleon as you approach mastery you'll notice the leet asshole is an epic bridge builder type.
Neil: Shit the last 70-ish blocks have been insanely fast.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty.
asciilifeform: somebody should print cloth crib sheets, like the maps given to british officers during the war, but for americans. contents: 'don't shoot - i know secrets!' in 30 languages.
decimation: that logic more than anything explains the lack of nuclear exchange, in my opinion