benkay: well you gotta hedge by taking the commissioner out to dinner regularly too
Mats_cd03: dont you know local cops in the us now have dedicated swat teams?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 just add steel plating in the walls.
mircea_popescu: i'm with benkay. if you live in an unsafe area, just open a bar, pass free drinks to the teenaged hoodlums, watch them mow down the police if you ever need any help
Mats_cd03: upsides: low collateral damage, sometimes you can hide the body before authorities appear and forensics will be of little assistance to LE
Mats_cd03: friendly reminder for all readers in the us following along
Mats_cd03: murica: land of the free and guns
JorgePasada: I'd like to think I'd never use force or violence against another human without it being initiated on me first, but...
JorgePasada: I guess if it were like "Stoning people cause it's the cool thing" and I felt like I was going to get my ass beat if I didn't stone someone
mircea_popescu: that'll be like the -assets motto
JorgePasada: I guess I was about to draw a line where there really isn't one, but like... when it comes to culture/style vs morality and ethics
mircea_popescu: "all she got about her is the way that she walks...
mircea_popescu: apparently the need to belong beats clothing and shelter.
mircea_popescu: take a shy chick to the nude beach, she'll usually rather part with the clothing than be considered a loser by the other chicks.
JorgePasada: weird thing is, for me at least, the more firm footing I found in the upper self actualization shit, the less of a base I felt I needed to stand on for the other stuff
JorgePasada: This stuff is pretty high up the stack though, i mean, in terms of the maslows triange stuff
mircea_popescu: the bill cosby problem
JorgePasada: the flip side of that is
JorgePasada: that they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of them and they're content being themselves
Mats_cd03: whats the timeline on +m and 0.1btc for +v
JorgePasada: Is I'm meeting more and more young people who realize earlier on in their lives
mircea_popescu: it's what informs all the god-awful "pr" everyone else is doing.
mircea_popescu: but as ridiculous as it may seem, a lot of older people have serious trouble coping with the idea that well... not everybody is going to like them. no matter what they do.
mircea_popescu: to the degree they can't even write for the internet. what if someone doesn't like what they say!!1
mircea_popescu: and it's not only on this angle, either
mircea_popescu: srsly now, as an engineer, if you're any good and you got to be old, how the fuck would you actually need a salary
TestingUnoDosTre: do the engineers freak out a lot with price changes, or do they understand how to protect themselves from shifts in price if they care to do so
mircea_popescu: i usually go listen, forgot about that, it's not your job, let the girls handle it etc.
JorgePasada: something in the vein of emotional resilience and self reliance vs physical
mircea_popescu: "but how can they say that! THAT IS SO STUPID!!!"
mircea_popescu: it's very visible to me because i have to be veeehehery careful to insulate the older (mostly engineering) people working for me
JorgePasada: I agree with that observation completely, the trolling thing
mircea_popescu: people born before the 80s utterly suck at that
radan: none of these are things that bitcoin can emulate
mircea_popescu: meanwhile however, they are experts at handling what's called "trolling"
mircea_popescu: we easily laugh at kids today because they're wimps, no experience with physical violence, completely unable to cope with physical reality.
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i think this comes with the territory of being old. in the following specific sense :
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Overall I like Taleb, I just wish he'd present his ideas without so much of his emotional baggage... but I guess that's the struggle of communication in general. He probably wouldn't be nearly the same person without all those experiences, so I guess some of it is bound to seep through
bounce: you just missed the kid in -otc, though he offered euros
dexX7: well, i guess the flow of bitcoin news is something like assets-> trilema -> reddit -> mass media
TestingUnoDosTre: the SEC has been calling people as well as emailing? I didn't realize they worked so much
mike_c: good to know the WSJ is still weeks behind b-a
dexX7: it's a shame that everyone started to yell about the sec stuff, but it was known since korbman was called by them weeks? earlier
JorgePasada: mats_cd03 I think Taleb would have come off better if so much of his contempt for the people who laughed at him for being wrong all though the financial bubbles didn't seep through his writing. Great ideas, great thoughts/concepts, somewhat poorly presented.
Mats_cd03: i fancy taleb myself but i find the concept unpalatable
ninjashogun: Do you think the bitcoin phenomenon counts as one?
ninjashogun: any of you familiar with the 'black swan' concept?
ninjashogun: it says there is no article of that name
Apocalyptic: dexX7, more like the logs could be edited, don't know to what extend it was compromised
dexX7: all teh gossip and slander available for the public!?
jurov: no that's the right one afaik
Apocalyptic: he claims the wp was hacked
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Mats_cd03: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ippc-to-deliver-darkest-draft-yet/story-e6frg6so-1226862631968 via slashdot
dexX7: fyi: checked the last 100+ blocks. blockchain.info is in sync
dexX7: you may export the privat keys from your online wallet, just in case
dexX7: well, worst case is probably that you are "behind". coins should never be at risk, especially because blockchain.info is not the holder of coins
dexX7: at the very moment everything seems to be fine
User__: dexX7 how do you know? from the UI
dexX7: is there an alternative?
kakobrekla: jurov it happend 13 days ago. by the timing im guessing you hacked it, sent the money to yourself and now want a refund!
dexX7: never mind.. it's a scam imposter site the guy mentioned
benkay: i wonder if it reflects something about culture. leaving the boom/bust of pushing crystals through a delicate membrane for a more even dosage level over a longer period of time.
asciilifeform: 1880s state of the art!
benkay: and it was just one of them.
benkay: subject of the Vin Mariani the smart kids have introduced me to their new favorite habit of dissolving high-grade cocaine in high-test alcohol and eyedroppering it into their drinks
Mats_cd03: youre only seeing the highlight reels
benkay: you're coked to the gills in here regularly, Mats_cd03.
benkay: shit to do these days.
Mats_cd03: Aw th-, they said he wasn't tall enough?
Mats_cd03: he make the team this year?
dexX7: <radan> anyway, I'm in the oil industry << burn in hell, kafir
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Mats_cd03: and some kanye for the young bloods in here www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0FtrbhfhWg
radan: possibly the industry where jewish connections can least help me
radan: anyway, I'm in the oil industry
Mats_cd03: benkay: http://www.yourmusicradar.com/pharrell-happy-feat-the-notorious-b-i-g-dj-rob-dinero-remix/
Apocalyptic: kako, the flawed plugin you mean ?
radan: irony's the new hip thing
dexX7: hehe benkay, the track is indeed fine. i usually use di.fm for music :)
radan: get with the times, old man
benkay: all the allah wankery on your blog
radan: I'm jewish by jewish law because my grandmother was a jew
radan: there's friendly people in positions of power in every industry wanting to see you succeed
radan: if you're jewish, the world's your stage
Mats_cd03: a canadian jew in the rap game... luls
Mats_cd03: this reminded me of drake, the rapper
dexX7: speaking of security. in 8 days is the worldwide backup day :)
Mats_cd03: least privilege, separation of duties, leaving the damn thing on a shared network folder
Mats_cd03: they eschewed any preventive administrative controls
radan: the man's basically a walking stereotype
Mats_cd03: there was more than one egregious security offense in that event
ninjashogun: Mats_cd03, asciilifeform and mirceau-p's Cardano - a physical device that escrows private keys and signs documents passed to it over USB - stored passwords as plaintext on the theory that a loss or theft should be considered catastrophic anyway. So storing in plaintext means people will practice better opsec
Mats_cd03: dealing with policies and procedures and bureaucratic garbage rather than doing my job
nubbins`: i reported plaintext passwords and the response was "yeah, we know"
Mats_cd03: #preventingthenextsnowden
Mats_cd03: i consulted for a place once where all the user, admin passwords were plaintext and shared the same excel file as the auth for the hvac systems and scif
nubbins`: most didn't bother with primary keys
nubbins`: at my last job, all our customer databases were built in the 80s
jurov: or they are on a fork
kakobrekla: the propagation sometimes sucks bad
Mats_cd03: took a second for the tx to propagate across nodes?
dexX7: also there
kakobrekla: i dunno source for what they should be but no
dexX7: i have the problem of a confirmed transformation that is shown as unconfirmed on bc.i and doesn't exist on blockr
dexX7: is the guy from blockr.io here?
kakobrekla: its odd, but its wp, so not much surprise there.
ninjashogun: you're cool Mats_cd03 . Actually you're all pretty cool but I may have to burn this nick and come back in two months if I want to hang out here. I've done that elsewhere. It's funny how the same people can be cool and total trolls.
ninjashogun: I'm no expert on neuroscience but I have sought out their opinions. Funny, the same as I've done here for financial info. The difference is that they didn't troll for it.
benkay: Mats_cd03: ninjashogun's an expert in all the fields. how dare you!
Mats_cd03: and i propose a second bitbet - predictious shuttering by the same date
jurov: i think they already resell bitbet
jurov: i can easily foresee the price end up between 300 and 315 and then predictious going down in flames
jurov: whether above is parasitism or symbiosis
jurov: let's start by considering the question
Mats_cd03: are we going to continue discussing genetics and biology as though theres an expert in here
Duffer1: although.. my balance still shows the original even after refresh
Duffer1: to answer your initial question dexX7 it is possible to withdraw LTC from CT. The transaction showed up almost immediately
dexX7: if it works indeed with ",", it's funny, because the balance is shown as "x.y"
bounce: not the only shop that had that problem. add a 0 in front of that . and all should be well again.
ninjashogun: what is the Cog story?
ninjashogun: the plot thickens.
jurov: kakobrekla: on bitcoin-assets.com the donation addr is 14uG... but link goes to 1B6N...
ninjashogun: mike_c - well I know a couple that have not reported thefts so far. (For example moolah's)
ninjashogun: we know that the percentage of exchnages that would pretend a theft occurred would go up. (It's called 'moral hazard' in insurance.)
jurov: dumber ideas had their moment of btc glory
ninjashogun: jurov - I wonder how much it would reduce exchnage usage if there were a 20% insurance fee on all deposits. (Which is insane.) Would some people still use it to buy fiat with BTC they accept elsewhere?
jurov: because they were thinking in % like you do
ninjashogun: jurov - well, you can insure sub-prime mortgages but the premium might be on par with the monthly payment.
ninjashogun: what is the percentage of exchnages that have had "reported theft" (whether real or invented)
ninjashogun: "reported theft"
ninjashogun: jurov - what percentage of BTC exchanges have lost btc due to theft? (to the point of shutting down)
ninjashogun: jurov - I suppose the main reason an insurance scheme is stupid is because it doesn't work if every exchange gets hacked and has to pay out....
mike_c: the data for creating the brain may be that small, but the code that runs it (rules of chemistry, biology, etc) is huge.
midnightmagic: There is also no "theoretical proof" that the architecture of the brain is "under 700MB". That's utter nonsense.
benkay: no quadrillion dollar exit or anything, but the mgmt team had accelerated vesting in place for everyone with options, so it looks like a chunk of the PDX clojure group will be taking rather nice vacations this year if the workload ever slows down.
benkay: "here's a team that's actually built a thing that makes money. let's buy the thing and leverage the team's proven track record of shipping high-quality software to ameliorate our dependency on ancient internal tooling."
benkay: they just got bought by BBVA, iirc. from what i understand the spaniards want to leverage the stack that Simple built out for themselves across a load of different networks.
benkay: "i mean yeah - it's a US bank. they likely won't do a runner with your cash. they're also just like every other bank in the states, except maybe not running on mainframes older than yourself and myself put together."
benkay: a friend was curious about http://www.simple.com: "their advertising pitch seemed to be: 'coffee. flannel. dogs. bank. flannel. guitars on a porch. bank.'"
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ninjashogun: but we have a theoretical proof that the architecture of the brain is somehow encoded into under 700 MB. (well under that, as that encodes the full human body.)
ninjashogun: Of course we have no chance in hell of modelling the development of a brain by "running" the code. We can't even model a few molecules fully.
ninjashogun: Also don't forget that we know for a fact that the architecture in the brain is encoded in no more than 700 MB totally uncompressed. That is how much the human genome takes to encode as simple bits (adenine(A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) encoded as two bits each). With some compression that's even less.
ninjashogun: Hardware-wise, if we had the code than a simple cluster of a few tons of CPU and RAM units could probably run it.
ninjashogun: Based on the simple calculation that the brain is just 3 pounds, 1.25 liters, and fires at 200 herz, it is extremely likely that there exists ∃ (latex \exists) code that we could run that would result in a brain running at an appreciable percentage of real-time brain speed, using < $1B of hardware. But we don't have the code, even though it probably \exists
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, it's an interesting situation . Rather than being limited by hardware ,we're very possibly limited by software. We don't know what to run - it's not that we can't run it, but we don't have the software written.
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, well I agree. Our current understanding isn't even enough for a full model. we wouldn't know what to run even if we had a supercomputer with unlimited resources. we don't have the code.
midnightmagic: machine intelligence will take another form.
midnightmagic: for the foreseeable future, there is no computer even contemplated that could model the human brain as we understand it right now, let alone as new discoveries arrive.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, exactly, they're not in sync because why would they be. But is that out of phase effect used to do calculation or the equivalent of a pipeline, etc? Probably not.
midnightmagic: ninjashogun: Nope. There is not enough understanding to model even small parts of the human brain. The structures we know about are unknown. There are likely other structures we don't yet know about.
asciilifeform: depends on what one means by 'used'. it is known that the neurons aren't synced (in phase) - why would they be.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would think that the brain doesn't depend on sensitive timing information like that, but rather on the pathways that are activated (irrespective of timing).
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I understand. Do you think that timing is used by the brain in this way?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, that is a very good and interesting example. Do you think that the brain relies on these sampling effects?
asciilifeform: example, from one's tool drawer. i recently happened to buy an oscilloscope. it can sample signals at 1GHz, despite having no component therein operating above 100MHz.
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, this is very true. But, for example, if a supercomputer were to model these interconnects but had fewer "physical" neurons (CPU units), then the same CPU units could be reused 20 million times (4 ghz / 200 herz) to get realtime speed. (This is just an example of how to think about it.)
midnightmagic: except 100,000,000,000 neurons at 200hz each equals a total meaningless cross-product of 20,000,000,000,000 things which is much higher than the 4,000,000,000 other things; plus interconnect, microtubules, memory, specialization, and so on mean there is no "faster".
ninjashogun: midnightmagic, the other interesting thing is that the brain weighs just 3 pounds and takes up 1.26 liters. (1400 grams, 1.3 US quarts).
midnightmagic: ninjashogun: That is meaningless. The full structure of the brain hasn't even been fully undertood yet.
ThickAsThieves: google is showing not much success repairing the tablet i am attempting
ninjashogun: if someone told me you can do everything a human can do in terms of brain-processing (from vision to motor control to thinking speaking, reacting, EVERYTHING) thorugh a neural net at which the maximum speed of any neuron is 200 herz I'd have laughed. "suuure."
asciilifeform: 'maxmium of 200 herz' << this would be interesting if they fired in phase. which they don't.
mircea_popescu: now if they only could convince everyone that
mircea_popescu: vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people to read, either,
benkay: (correction: vice hasn't fixed the pagedown)
mircea_popescu: i get it that impotence is a major problem there, both culturally and sexually, but that's scarcely an excuse.
mircea_popescu: this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and the world will "adapt" to it is sheer usinsanity.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, what I found really amazing on the brain is the herz that neurons can fire at before tiring. Given how much processing we do every second, take a guess at what the maximal neuronic herz rate is in the brain :)
mircea_popescu: turns out the brain is a pulse not a flux processor.
mircea_popescu: scrolling is not unlike the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on the written page
benkay: it seems that Vice is the only publication on the internet who've been able to implement a bootstrap header without totally fucking the page-down functionality of yore.
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benkay: so the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of the apartment window; we verified that nobody can see in during the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard
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asciilifeform: then heat.
asciilifeform: and suspend it a cm or so above the table, in a clamp, from said cup
asciilifeform: to the screen
asciilifeform: depends on the glue, clearly
asciilifeform: helps if you own an IR thermometer.
mircea_popescu: so try that on the sun. who knows.
mircea_popescu: i can't even remember, i liked the guy since i was 14 or so
ThickAsThieves: so, i am trying to repair a broken tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued to the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is the sun particularly bright today
cads: another friend has suggested it but I haven't made time for it
cads: mircea_popescu: who/what turned you on to reading the berkshire letters?
thestringpuller: That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you to be the only one in the nursing home flirting at 95...
mircea_popescu: you think if i get alzhimers' when im 95 that'll change the 2013 articles on trilema in any way ?
mircea_popescu: read that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half the group of folk that identify as finance-anythign
VanCleef: i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have to be about bitcoin just something along the lines of investing
mircea_popescu: can you imagine how shocked the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching this will be
kakobrekla: the question that ended -assets.
kakobrekla: but what does flash stand for then
mircea_popescu: Tic the shit-senser
Apocalyptic: kako the shit-smeller , dat title
kakobrekla: or its just me who can smell the shit early
kakobrekla: the thing went bad over half a year ago
mike_c: but but, last I read everything was going great and they were picking up their hardware! i haven't followed the thread recently i guess :)
mike_c: is this over their mining thing?
kakobrekla: "your honor, garr failed to deliver the pump."
Apocalyptic: gigavps even has the guts to come to -otc sometimes
Apocalyptic: cause "they've been around for quite some time you know"
chetty: well can we turn some of these scammer into dartboards?
mircea_popescu: or maybe they just have a dartboard and throw darts at it each day
knotwork: Yeah I heard they covered the losses with money from investors. Maybe the investors didnt like that and now want to drive away all customers so the place gets no business and has to shut down
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> [16:51:46] aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? I believe they are
mircea_popescu: aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ?
mircea_popescu: (and the 1960s vera miles version i hope?)
mircea_popescu: o, that was my only one time in that chain, i have no idea what they serve
MisterE: thats they one I used to get man Dennys that takes me back
mircea_popescu: then we had breakfast at dennys
MisterE: canadian forums must be a minimum of 35% canadian or they will do something
ThickAsThieves: well not at the time you published, i think it was older
mircea_popescu: well i lost the pointer
ThickAsThieves: shit i dunno, i made some guesses at the time in here
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which one of the numerous mystery trilema photos
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ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> san antonio is like my favourite us city. /// is that the place in your mystery photo on trilema?
nubbins`: he was looking for the word "roof"
nubbins`: overheard a guy talking to his father about getting his roof fixed
mircea_popescu: MisterE the fact that i spent a week doing nothing but champagne on the riverwalk may well have colored that impression :p
artifexd: Ah. I was up in the north east. More north east than Dallas. Damn near Arkansas.