asciilifeform: to all spammers: the folks still using btc-related-whatevers on winblows are in dire need of your loving personal attention.
ThickAsThieves: he's the one working by hand
mircea_popescu: i think there must exist somewhere people doing email spiderin by hgand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, i had accounts on neither, but that doesn't prevent people from trying to phish and etc
kanzure: mircea_popescu: because they have trouble discriminating between good bitcoin ideas and poor bitcoin ideas ("hand over bitcoins to a third-party")
mircea_popescu: "and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so"
asciilifeform: phish neither picks your pockets nor breaks yer bones, unless one is stupid
kanzure: and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so
kanzure: being phished for the rest of eternity
mircea_popescu: there's also that.
mircea_popescu: they must be displayed for the general public, so the general public may learn that idiocy has consequences.
mircea_popescu: but it's not ok to let them suffer in silence and privacy.,
kanzure: remember, they intentionally signed up to coinbase
kanzure: i'm sure it's going to be the same users
kanzure: someone should run one of the mtgox email address dumps through that coinbase api endpoint
ThickAsThieves: When will eyes be required on the back of my head to walk?
ThickAsThieves: you contact him, pay, then he creates access account
ThickAsThieves: the one you purchased
novusordo: i'm having a hard time understanding what 'username' and 'pass' I'm supposed to supply the mpex socket with...
ThickAsThieves: "Within 30 minutes, I was able to gather 400 unique email addresses, distinctively associated with Bitcoins"
gribble: The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes - General Board of Global ...: <http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/129/>; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: <http://methodistthinker.com/2011/03/14/charles-wesley-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/>; Charles Wesley, "The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes" 1750: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
jurov: amazing no one collected them before
jurov: *these historical data
jurov: novusordo, because live.coinbr started in october 2013. afaik socked uses there data, too
novusordo: oh, the socket seems to have what i'm looking for
gribble: Charles Cros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cros>; Paleophone: <http://paleophone.net/>; Charles Cros: <http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Charles_Cros.html>
asciilifeform: afaik the man invented exactly two things - phonograph and... patent trolling
mircea_popescu: also this chan, and iirc kakobrekla was selling the whole history db
novusordo: are there any good historical sources of mpex data besides @MPEX1 on twitter? i'm not finding much for historical volume
mircea_popescu: Switch just two people the battalion commander and command sergeant majorfrom the best battalion with those of the worst, and within ninety days the relative effectiveness of the battalions will have switched as well, Id say. I still believe I was correct.
ThickAsThieves: meanwhile MS is the definition of photo-editing jokes
ThickAsThieves: who let the people photochop!?
mircea_popescu: but i do recall what i did to them.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the last time someone gathered the guts to try and play a trick on me,
mircea_popescu: both of these being fairly uncontroversial and apparently the entire bag of tricks of us conservative pundits
ThickAsThieves: whatever gets the pickup-driving racists to feel good (and buy gold), he says
mircea_popescu: does he say anything specific other than obama is bad and the country is going to shit ?
ThickAsThieves: when i read the forums i cant help but think some % is accepting these people as reality
asciilifeform: wait, the american zhirinovsky ?!
mircea_popescu: " Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016.["
ThickAsThieves: it's just embarassing i the thougth of people taking it seriously compounds that
ThickAsThieves: the pill-popping conservative radio sensatinalist
ThickAsThieves: for the same reason i cant enjoy Rush Limbaugh i think
benkay: "Modern media exacerbate the challenge of sorting reality from orchestrated perception." http://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2014/03/stanley-mcchrystal-my-share-of-the-task/
mircea_popescu: the unpaid invoices part seemed novel.
pankkake: well yes it's the "martin" jurov talked about
ThickAsThieves: i cant gather that kind of joy from it
novusordo: the only thing I use the forum for nowadays is following updates from friedcat and the trezor fellows
ThickAsThieves: the forum has become beyond useless
mircea_popescu: looks like there were two people or something.
pLambert: I think they only offered 3, she said she wouldn't do it for 35
mircea_popescu: which, from all the reviews i've read so far, is really very bad and useless pr doing me a huge disservice.
mircea_popescu: funny, they don't want to splurge 30 on a mpex reg, but they do want to spend 35 on the mpoe-pr.
pLambert: you better be careful or they are going to hire her out from under you ... or not
mircea_popescu: she's really sticking it to them isn't she
pLambert: anybody want to guess odds that NEOBEE produces a financial statement within the next week?
mircea_popescu: just means the "total available" figure is broken really.
ThickAsThieves: or the like
ThickAsThieves: like there are doublespends unconfirmed and affecting total
ThickAsThieves: they did indeed conduct it as i guessed
ThickAsThieves: she gets grants all the time
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should enlist my wife then
mircea_popescu: they're no different from grants, really.
ThickAsThieves: before trying to convince others
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well you'll never know if an idea can or can not *really* work. you should aim to get them / see if they can be gotten to the point where qualified people want to find out if they can work.
ThickAsThieves: one idea would be much easier to map out, the other less so, but i feel the process would force true determination
mircea_popescu: indeed. and what the bouncer usually has to say is "sucks because what, or sucks because how" etc
ThickAsThieves: what i'm truly setting out to do, is determine whether two of my ideas can really work
mircea_popescu: (the difference is the same as between the rules of static forces on one hand and the facade of a house on the other)
ThickAsThieves: i was a layout guy at the paper, thrown into editing some cuz i was not so dumb
mircea_popescu: some pope came up with the rule that all reports must be built on this structure
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the apostolic five w's ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well no, a business plan is a commerce thing. you just need to fill in the specified spots.
ThickAsThieves: through iteration, but surely you have insight on the matter.
ThickAsThieves: mp, question/advice-seeking: for someone wanting to take an "idea" and turn it into a respectable business plan, or at minimum, some sort of white paper spelling out all the pieces, what would be the best way to approach it? the default would be a stream of conciousness writing process to where you can work from what you make to categorize and sort it all, polishing it over and over
ThickAsThieves: they haz app store now
ozbot: C-word: The Oxford English Dictionary adds several adjectival forms of cunt, including cunted and cu
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/03/31/c_word_the_oxford_english_dictionary_adds_several_adjectival_forms_of_cunt.html
asciilifeform: 'why does physicist need a wife and a mistress? so that he can tell one that he is with the other, while he runs off to the lab to get some actual work in.'
nubbins`: have a chew on the fact that rarely in history has "the best thing" ever ended up at the top of the pile purely on its own merits
mircea_popescu: Of the crooked eyes of humanity no straight answer was ever perceived.
nubbins`: now, i've gotta get to the post office before this 30cm of freezing rain shows up
nubbins`: about the same time you were dancing around straight answers, yep ;D
nubbins`: this isn't the field of dreams -- you have to do more than build it for people to come
nubbins`: well i mean "open call for judges" certainly isn't the way to find 'em
mircea_popescu: it's the fucking problem. citizen judgeship works if your citizenry consists of slave owning educated people
nubbins`: chetty: well, we're both sidestepping the issue that nobody in btc space is nearly competent enough to serve as a judge of any sort
chetty: the time will come to feed that baby nubbins` , but not yet.
mircea_popescu: twasnt a bump in the road, twas a major chasm.
ozbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete
nubbins`: ehhh, for someone who goes on about the sham fiat courts so much, i'm more than a bit surprised you gave up on the idea after the first bump in the road
mircea_popescu: cute babies starve all teh time, it's the way you feed freedom.
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
mircea_popescu: one alternative you claim avoids the pitfals you identify.
nubbins`: i'm not proposing i know all the alternatives, i'm simply proposing one alternative that avoids the pitfalls of the first failure
mircea_popescu: no, it's where someone proposes he knows all the alternatives, which happen to be two, of which one happens to be something that didn't work in the past and the other happens to be his pet theory.
mircea_popescu: (aka fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses)
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the fallacy known as false dilemma ?
nubbins`: square peg doesn't fit, so the hole is flawed
pankkake: ah, she had the list!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you don't have to see "anything to the contrary"
nubbins`: i have yet to see anything to the contrary aside from some hand-waving about absolutes and subjectivity
mircea_popescu: this would seem to be your pet theory, yes.
nubbins`: sure, but the whole thing i was getting at is that the fee structure was flawed from the start, which is why the experiment failed
jayk punches them
jayk: the irs needed to stay out of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i dun see why exactly you imagine this is personal in any sense. the court as it was failed to do so, that's objective not subjective.
mircea_popescu: many things in bitcoin are an all or nothing proposition, which is why it's so important to always pick either and stick to it.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if he doesn't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees, he has no reason to trust the court with a farthing.
nubbins`: so he's risking a negative judgment, and this is the reason to pull the plug on the whole thing? O_O
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reptillian brain is driven by visual cues. so, once you're visible.
asciilifeform: i confess that i wonder when i too will be featured on the 'secret soldier-shills of satanix mpex' lists the lamers are so fond of now.
mircea_popescu: they're still around, grumbling. fortunately, they have no btc to show, so it's mostly a vocal exercise.
mircea_popescu: the EXACT same crap was being peddled by all the people upset that mpoe-pr closed down glbse two years ago.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic this is really crop of the season stuff.
ozbot: The following accounts are operated by MPEx exchange and affiliates to discredit their competition.
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21tp3n/the_following_accounts_are_operated_by_mpex/ oh he deleted it already :(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the judgement, whatever it may be.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: what's a defendant risking by participating? his trust rating? that's on the line whether he participates or not!
ThickAsThieves: ah that's the one
ThickAsThieves: anyone happen to know the way to look up a UK business license, ive done it before but now i cant recall how
mircea_popescu: but looking at bitcointalk, im realising it may have been the converse : to your average monkey of 500bc, anyone with a brain probably looked like the sockpuppet of the one guy with a brain
pankkake: reminds me of the communist dictators
mircea_popescu: which was kinda funny seeing how the guy had been dead for a while.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, here's a fun story : the original pythagoreans all claimed all their discoveries were made by... pythagora.
pankkake: by the way, romain put up some new pics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.40 (NSFW)
pankkake: anyway, I just wonder how it would turn out when there are no nicknames. maybe everyone will be accused of being MP
mircea_popescu: yea me either.
mircea_popescu: be nicely seeded with a bunch of good porn, not the shit ozpot spits out
pankkake: there are some open source projects for that apparently
mircea_popescu: i ran a chan forever, you can have the backup
mircea_popescu: yesterday that line was broken, and with it... there goes.
pankkake: (or other worse things to do I can't avoid)
mircea_popescu: up until yest we had this gentleman agreement of sorts that they don't delete the girl's posts and i look the other way on the endless stupid shit they did.
pankkake: I'm still thinking of doing a 4chan-for-bitcoin but I have other better things to do!
mircea_popescu: VanCleef she's not better informed than i am you know. she'd just say, "what mp said" all the time.
VanCleef: i hate thermos
mircea_popescu: thermos & co flea circus needs to end.
mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/31/authors-jarring-claim-the-stock-market-is-rigged/
Duffer1: they botched their own board dev, scrapped their own 48/55/28nm projects, lost 500 coins on gox, outright stole (and admitted to stealing) shares from at least two shareholders, and lied about everything so far
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Neil: Not the block bodies, of course.
Neil: Geez. I've written the beginnings of a bitcoin network node. It downloads and validates all 293400 block headers in 16.544 seconds.
pankkake: there are multiple reports of refunds by check (and only that way) with misspellings and missing signatures
pankkake: it almost seems like it was paid by the ukyo shares
Duffer1: turns out the slaughters are proudly reselling hashfast boards/chips as fast hash mining gear
pankkake: this is so sad… the few shareholders that still had a brain are all over it
ThickAsThieves: they cant afford to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note the prominent absence of stuff 75-90
mircea_popescu: should the recent steps in china's attempts to democratize and capitalize (ie, the opening of bank deposits to risk) explode badly and end china, then the us may figure hey, v3.0!
chetty: I'm sure they will keep trying
mircea_popescu: the way this game works is you get one new match once you successfully use the previous.
asciilifeform: they might be a little wet. but i'd be surprised if he doesn't try everything potentially flammable to see what can be burned next.
asciilifeform: the arsonist who torched syria has a box full of matches left.
mircea_popescu: there's no "international community" any more than the bitcointalk folks are "the bitcoin community"
mircea_popescu: i guess it's better than plan c, "the daisies did it, man!"
mircea_popescu: chetty you know how this global warming soup sounds to me ? like since the 90s govt was hoping for an alien invasion to blame everything on, and by now they've finally decided that's not happening so going with plan b
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate)
mircea_popescu: contraband hero huh ? like guitar hero, except the 80s
asciilifeform: soviet tale - one drunken idiot tells another, 'i was at this party, and this guy must've been a serious contraband hero, he's loaded - i stumbled around, looking for the throne, and found a little bathroom with golden toilet!' - other: 'fucktard, so it was you who took a shit in the saxophone!'
novusordo: i was still talking about the bullet
novusordo: cover the shit with a layer of epoxy
VanCleef: geez that would be horrible, shitting in a bullet type casing and freezing it and then firing it into someone
mircea_popescu: wouldn't one be worried once his tits are better than the girl's ?
asciilifeform: even the fellow mishima put in charge as 'kaisyaku' failed to do the job (cleanly chop off his head)
asciilifeform: they could always grow another yukio mishima, this time with a brain, and go productively geopolitically apeshit
mircea_popescu: o look, the breakfast pancake is now moving around on two olives!
mircea_popescu: i really dislike that type, too. and especially their women.
mircea_popescu: they won't make it. just be replaced with some sort of short stocky chinese.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if their penises will evolve to clits over time if it keeps up
mircea_popescu: in the end the effect is the same. japan as you know it is about as relevant to world affairs as the hitite empire.
mircea_popescu: all that is gone now. the reason ?
mircea_popescu: they survived ww2 and hiroshima as a traditional society.
mike_c: well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: theft 'hormesis' ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell antephialtic the sort of people who take their information from btctalk and etc are better off not investing in btc stocks yet anyway.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: i need wot rating to edit the wiki :(
mircea_popescu: terribly weak, i bet. didn't they pretty much take over and end of story ?
VanCleef: speaking of media propaganda the funnest ones i seen was yesterday or the day before, but all american media groups were saying putin called obama about ukraine because putin is weak and looking for an exit
mircea_popescu: "oh, it may be the case everything will be more expensive in the future, perhaps, BUT!! don't worry about it, you read last month all about how low inflation is!"
mircea_popescu: so putin threatens to fuck them up with the energy, quickly the propaganda brigade is out there with preparatory statements
mircea_popescu: jayk can't believe asshole teacher had the guts to x that answer.
artifexd: I was here. Lurking. Watching it live. I just stayed silent because I had nothing useful to add. I did miss the "dank bank" comment.
mircea_popescu: often someone needs something done or there's an idea you can help with etc.
mircea_popescu: wywialm if you idle here and read, good ways present themselves.
wywialm: and what is a good way of building trust then?
mircea_popescu: otherwise you're just contributing tools to scammers.
mircea_popescu: generally the corollary of freedom is that well... you gotta stay vigilant. which explains why freedom is so deeply umpopular.
ThickAsThieves: the borrow 1btc for a week thing is silly
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. < it's awful really, more likely to diminish the trust of the rater than to improve that of the rate'ed.
mircea_popescu: and before you make the kneejerk decision that you'd rather go where the people are, let me remind you that this is bitcoin, and that nonsense already took you to bf once, and then to havelock.
mircea_popescu: the20year1 it's all a question of who do you want to deal with. to me, forum trust means exactly zero. to the forum, wel... they don't even know whjat the wot is, they're barely discovering chan logs these days.
mircea_popescu: so what's the neobee announcement ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're deluding yourself. whether there's a fee for participation or not, the defendant's risking something participating.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: ;;later tell bitcoinpete If you're going to have "IRC Nicknames" in the title, maybe discuss them in the post proper instead of just the footnotes?
dexX7: the quote was from yesterday btw
dexX7: it's only a very, very wild theory
ThickAsThieves: cool to see the b-a site growing
ThickAsThieves: kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it
ThickAsThieves: Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK)."
ThickAsThieves: considering the prospectus says: "LMB Holdings Share Structure
ThickAsThieves: “My silence is for a very valid and personal reason, all the rumors that are flying about are false and couldn’t be further from the truth. I haven’t moved from Cyprus or anything of the kind I am TEMPORARILY out of the country resolving some big issues that were made much worse by people stating incorrect facts in a public forum.”
ThickAsThieves: While CEO Danny Brewster is out of the country and has not made an official statement on the events, he denied anything untoward about his actions.
moiety: <Namworld> "Hindsight and time-machine required" << lolol where can i get these?!
antephialtic: yeah, well all those people sold at $1200 to the new batch of morons
kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland
antephialtic: which, seemingly is not the case
antephialtic: investing in neo was basically a highly leveraged bet on the price of BTC itself, with the risks completely outweighing any possible benefits - assuming the business was completely legitimate
antephialtic: since 99% of their accounts were denominated in euros, they were hugely exposed to the price of BTC
antephialtic: interesting to see the neo&bee scam finally implode
gribble: The operation succeeded.