mircea_popescu: so now that mpoe and bbet are all fucked up, allow me to ruin the monthly reports of nsa too.
kakobrekla: there
mircea_popescu: stop sabotaging the slander omg
mircea_popescu: moiety articles. think you're trying to tell stuff to your newb friend, so she can talk in -assets without being silly. what'd go in there ?
mircea_popescu: moiety they said you should be working butt off on wiki.
moiety: aww Scotland tried to April Fool's too, look http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10735711/Alex-Salmond-to-replace-the-Queen-on-new-Scottish-pound-coin.html
mircea_popescu: yeah we need more wiki people. hey moiety, do you know what the manuls have been telling me ?
bounce was going to say that excel isn't really appropriate for much of anything, then thought of "appropriate technology"... and excel is indeed pretty much the opposite.
ThickAsThieves: i made the categories and two links! what more do you want!
kakobrekla: make the wiki work
mircea_popescu: jesus new guy trying to read the log.
mircea_popescu: a there is that
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you're new here. why not read the logs for a while and ask q after ?
mircea_popescu: didn't work out for smickles, that theory.
mike_c: she can do both at the same time
ThickAsThieves: automate the whole thing
ThickAsThieves: then maybe my suggestion to go full dynamic aint so bad
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the problem is that people who are actually qualified to do this stuff do not wish to do it, because they were qualified by fiat and wish to die in fiat.
mircea_popescu: i think this is the road to prevention.
ThickAsThieves: on the surface this is healthy
mircea_popescu: like that recent guy with the 90k
mircea_popescu: afaik the normal practice is simply clawback.
ThickAsThieves: certainly dont pay out MORE to balance the loss
ThickAsThieves: unless bitbet intends to charge an employee or contractor for the loss, the shareholders eat it regardless
mike_c: i guess the issue is that this is a cash flow statement, and the charge belongs on the balance sheet.
mircea_popescu: obviously that 99 btc will be carried on the book until it melts away
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what happens if one month the revenue from closing bets is 1 btc but the house takes in 1k new bets, worth 100 btc
mike_c: but now it is more confusing. there is no line item for that charge.
ThickAsThieves: so bitbet/you/accountant are eating the loss?
mike_c: not really. the company accountant screwed up. can't penalize specific shareholders for that
ThickAsThieves: i think it is not the shareholders that should be owed
mike_c: screws future investors, but they can see that in the report and take it into consideration.
mircea_popescu: through my mistake 3.68215306 have gone to the public shareholders instead.
mircea_popescu: this because we still hold 70% of the shares, not yet listed.
mircea_popescu: so : last month bitbet made 3.68215306 btc, which should have gone as follows : 1.104645918 should have gone to the public shareholders, 1.288753571 to kako and 1.288753571 to me.
mircea_popescu: brb found an error in the rectification o.o
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell Duffer1 NASA was just a wholehearted theft of european talent. nothing endogenous to the USA.
kakobrekla: yeah the entropy on it is bad, no cardano sorry guise.
mike_c: i didn't figure out the algorithm.
benkay: now i have to read the logs
benkay: mike_c: i for one do not appreciate the fix
benkay: i'm considering telling a PM that all of his company's backups failed and have been corrupted for the past month.
benkay: Mats_cd03: did you check the date?
Mats_cd03: i spent a few mins reading and i was trying to figure out if im really fucking high or the logs are broken
benkay: ugh fix the logs
thestringpuller: so I'd imagine they are spending in excess
artifexd: I'm used to working on multiple 30" monitors so the thought of working on a 7" tablet scares me.
Mats_cd03: im being mindfucked by the logs
thestringpuller: antephialtic: They spend astronomically more money in comparison to MP's companies...
benkay: artifexd: if you don't strive for efficiency in your process in the first place...
antephialtic: thestringpuller: how so?
chetty: http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-04-01-at-9.01.14-AM-620x403.png
ThickAsThieves: all their beards combined into one
ThickAsThieves: read the shirt though
mircea_popescu: i mean, obscure band, i can see. you're hoping to hop the solist/celist
punkman1: MP's glorious beard being the most trustworthy
mircea_popescu: what the fuck would be going through a weirdo's mind that sported an OHIO tshirt
ThickAsThieves: programming with their tablets
mircea_popescu: some beards grow inside the neck.
ozbot: Twitter / jonwaller: We had a great #Ethereum ...
mircea_popescu: why give them money.
mircea_popescu: they're killing it just fine on its own
ThickAsThieves: just buy ethereum to kill it
benkay: "ethereum ready for big boy time"
benkay: bitcoin might go up 100 dollars on the lulz
antephialtic: "Adamantiadis' code recovers the state from 30 output bytes within 12.1 seconds on the reference CPU."
antephialtic: nice writup of NSA fucking up all the codez
mircea_popescu: this discussion reads a lolt better in the lolg.
ThickAsThieves: i just mean why stop at proving you have the coins
ThickAsThieves: the rest could be blockchain-dynamic
mircea_popescu: lurk here, pick one of these that's a good fit for you and run with it. they're like... at LEAST weekly occurences.
ThickAsThieves: the only centralized part is bitbet expenses and disclosure
mircea_popescu: i'd rather decentralize etc.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well if it's house-released it's not the same thing
mircea_popescu: course this probably understates bitbet controlled btc, seeing how if a large chunk is used to make a small payment the remainder is still bitbet's, but anyway
ThickAsThieves: tell kako to use the beer fund
mircea_popescu: anyone bored could make a tool to add up the balances in publicly displayed addies as an open audit thing
mircea_popescu: just that my shit gets caught all the time
mircea_popescu: soo, someone had pointed out an error with the bitbet dividend last month ?
mircea_popescu: the neo forum name was taken
mircea_popescu: antephialtic he's fine, his investment is for the longest term.
ozbot: Is it possible the person selling those shares was Danny Brewster? : neobee
antephialtic: http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21xfdf/is_it_possible_the_person_selling_those_shares/
davout: yes, the bitcoin community totally has a history of learning from lessons
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin community will surely learn a number of lessons from the Mt. Gox disaster, and here is a simple one: when investing in Bitcoin, make sure the guy you're trusting with your money doesn't have a secret past committing fraud. Even if that means finding someone who knows French."
davout: it doesn't refer to entrapment but more to the cell itself
mircea_popescu: they'd have a more cursive mastery of that language.
mircea_popescu: you'd think, you know, for some progressive libtards wearing no bras because their mothers burned them in paris in 68
mircea_popescu: at the risk of beating a dead, if fat, horse.
nubbins`: as someone who grew up with these words being spelled "ah" and "oh", respectively, this always struck me as quaint
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the part i don't understand are the bottom left buttons. an d and an a ? whay ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cads no, it's not that romanian nerds fail to be socially inept. is that romanian teenage queens fail to be socially apt, and so the nerds have no contrasting background to stand out against.
mircea_popescu: and they're all women.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as any person deserves their sanity.
ThickAsThieves: things have a way of working themselves out sometimes
mircea_popescu: well originally it was ok, so moving over to .lk, but then she was like listen, can i have some time off nao ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller report was out earlier btw.
mircea_popescu: locksmith well sure, the guy kept trying to buy relevancy, first with his clueless stumble into the bf thing, then probably derping around mtgox,
locksmith: all this are rumours of course, just to keep us entertained as the tower crumbles.
locksmith: I wouldn't be surprised if he was also deep into the karpeles thing, he was looking into a flight to go to japan from cyprus through dubai and couldn't find connecting flights at dubai
lewicki: breaking the bitstamp 2fa is no small feet...
locksmith: also, something not said anywhere else: danny announced to his employees on thursday the 13th that he was left in his wallet with 100btc while someone overlooked into his pc and saw a bitstamp account with WAY more than that
mircea_popescu: kinda why the price is up i guess.
antephialtic: just sayin, whatever the issue is, it isn't solely with havelock
mircea_popescu: antephialtic didja read the http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ ?
antephialtic: down the toilet?
locksmith: I haven't called scam. all I'm saying is that they got to a point where they can't pay back their creditors. i.e. they owe over 150,000 euros to their marketing/pr firm Telia & Pavla BBDO
antephialtic: regardless of the tradeing being stopped, surely a competent/engaged CEO would have issued a statement to reassure investors?
mircea_popescu: antephialtic i dunno that scam was ever seriously argued other than as a technicality.
antephialtic: locksmith, seems like a very elaborate scam, no? why not just steal all the money after the IPO, why go to all the trouble of building a storefront and advertising, etc.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves locksmith these things seem a little contradictory.
locksmith: I'm an uninvolved observer as well but have 2 individual sources within Neo. the hard truth is that for the past week the employees could not get ahold of DB, and their paychecks will probably not be met for the month of March (they haven't been paid yet from what I know)
mircea_popescu: havelock is under a lot of pressure because all their scammy assets are turning into a visible loss, so rather than man up to it they prefer to simply close trading as the bubbles pop.
mircea_popescu: antephialtic my own theory, as a completely uninvolved observer, is this :
mircea_popescu: locksmith hopefully they don't keep on with this or else maged might ban newsit.com.cy
locksmith: also the article goes on and on wondering how many people danny took money from
antephialtic: TaT: do you actually know why the shares stopped trading?
novusordo: "Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order."
locksmith: they're saying that them (newsit.com,cy) as well as Politis newspaper tried to contact the company and could not get ahodl of them
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be ironic if neobee ends up getting more press for free now than they got back when they were paying for it ?
ozbot: imgur: the simple imgur blog
locksmith: just read the article as well, I can translate it for anyone interested
ThickAsThieves: in other news: http://www.newsit.com.cy/default.php?pname=Article&art_id=134250&catid=31
ThickAsThieves: it's the leftove rinch
ThickAsThieves: welcome to the internet, gf
nubbins`: better stop clicking links then
mircea_popescu: so lemme push everyone's favourite button then.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: makes nubbins` that's : being, obvious answer sausages" "because the what
mircea_popescu: the log's even better : mircea_popescu: a hair MPOE-PR you "whai : are of sausage a finger?!" pubic with muffin
mircea_popescu: the obvious answer being, "because that's what nubbins` makes : sausages"
the20year2: Just april the 1st
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, more like "if you throw this the op feels like an idiot"
antephialtic: and as a form of social engineering to make the capital markets more stable
ThickAsThieves: i doubt thats the reason on record
antephialtic: because old people who vote tend to buy and hold over the long term. but uncle sam wants some of those sweet profits from the prop traders on wall street
nubbins`: you are [an idiot/wasting my time/first against the wall when i am king]
ThickAsThieves: wow i thought youd have the usual make-me-feel-like-an-idiot answer
mircea_popescu: ie, some nonsense both sides were too tired and too tied down other places to argue
ThickAsThieves: i assume it's to promote longer terms of invetsment, but is that to benefit the dollar itself, or to promote longer-term invetsments in the economy of the country?
ThickAsThieves: question, why are US capital gains tax tiers gated by the one-year term? and is it appropriate to apply such to bitcoin under those reasons.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: i thought as much because of the emails and the fact all the amounts were so stupidly high
jurov: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2593755/The-subway-train-climb-skyscraper-Radical-new-concept-vertical-stations-New-york-London.html
ThickAsThieves: no, but they are happy
VanCleef: well 10 chinese bitcoiners did get executed today by the chinese gov, i don't think they're laughing
ThickAsThieves: they were so scared people would think it was real they put hack in the subject of the email
antephialtic: just wanted to see if the hack was real
antephialtic: (obviously I wasn't going to buy the dump)
antephialtic: or, rather his messenger
antephialtic: here's a short convo I had with the hacker
cazalla: maybe someone is just taking advantage of the leaked emails to spread more bullshit
mircea_popescu: no i mean, the answer to your q is in teh log.
thestringpuller: guess I'm bitcoins on the street for now on
cazalla: "Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order."
mircea_popescu: twitter's been going pretty nuts over my repaste there.
moiety: i dont use coinbase lol someone showed me what they got
moiety: and the emails
moiety: i thought it was an april fools thing because of the ridiculously high numbers
ColdHardMetal: I got one of those from: fuckingspammer@mailinator.com at least they're forthright about it.
mircea_popescu: it is a scam, obviously. it's not without coinbase's involvement tho, which is what i mean. htey're using the same infrastructure a legit merchant would be using.
mircea_popescu: the strange things we hope for.
mircea_popescu: hum the forum's down
mircea_popescu: antephialtic no, it's much more like the judge allowing the two unkempt youths fuck his teenaged daughter in exchange of not having his car all scratched up.
antephialtic: this is analogous to the judge allowing Charlie Shrem to bang his daughter in exchange for him accepting a plea bargain
mircea_popescu: the new and much easier to read mpoe statement :
antephialtic: man, israel just owns the US. How is it that Israel and Palestine are the ones in conflict, yet, the US is making concessions??
antephialtic: i've tried before, but after 3 (uninformed) guesses, the account got temporarily locked. Seems pretty reasonable to do over a long period of time (assuming gmx isn't smart enough to stop it)
antephialtic: i doubt he was dumb enough to leave any identifying info there, but it would be interesting nonetheless
nubbins`: snowplow just came and pushed the contents of the street back onto my front step. gotta get back outside
antephialtic: surrealist fiction. highly enjoyable. I recommend the Land of Laughs
nubbins`: you don't HAVE TO write your critics into subsequent novels as micro-dick diddlers either :D
mircea_popescu: you don't HAVE TO option the book
nubbins`: but that's the way it goes
nubbins`: almost all of his novels were eventually made into shitty movies, ghosts of their former selves
nubbins`: anyway, lels aside, he wrote good fiction. his early stuff -- the andromeda strain, the terminal man, the great train robbery, eaters of the dead, congo... all good
nubbins`: character does not appear elsewhere in the book."
nubbins`: "In March 2006, [journalist Michael] Crowley wrote a strongly critical review of State of Fear, focusing on Crichton's stance on global warming. In the same year, Crichton published the novel Next, which contains a minor character named "Mick Crowley", who is a Yale graduate and a Washington D.C.based political columnist. The character was portrayed as a child molester with a small penis. The
nubbins`: crichton was interesting in that he's the only novelist i can think of who included a lengthy bibliography in each book
mircea_popescu: anyway. me leling at the pseudoscience of others does not promote me to the rank of pseudoscience author.
ozbot: State of Fear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: he wrote jurassic park, among others
nubbins`: i even forgot the "global warming" button
nubbins`: jurov i wanted to strike while the iron was hot ;(
nubbins`: i, for one, am looking forward to warmer summers, if not a drastic increase in the price of food
mircea_popescu: the 1850s.
jurov: as long as the problem don't cause mass migrations, it's fine
antephialtic: the only credible thing about that was that it is known their site is implemented in ruby on rails
mircea_popescu: antephialtic there's reasons we don't trust coinbase after all.
mircea_popescu: jurov everyone is going to have problems sooner or later anyway. that's the definition of problems.
antephialtic: mp: yeah the hacker claimed to have found a file on their server called "compliance_dailysftp.rb" that uploaded a daily dump to IRS/FinCEN/FBI
jurov: here the north sees sea level going down because glaciers melt and earth goes up because of reduced weight
mircea_popescu: they also released the known but apparently not widely known fact that coinbase is forwarding all tx history to teh us alphabet soup on a daily basis.
antephialtic: when all they really had was the emails, and they were trying to get some idiot to buy their fake dump
antephialtic: yeah I suppose they could have just used the emails to google for the names and then released that as a "partial dump"
mircea_popescu: as someone said, when therer's a cockroach in plain sight, that's never the only cockroach around.
antephialtic: anyways, its just alarming because the full name stuff is apparently real and doesn't seem possible to have been acquired by the email enumeration attack
mircea_popescu: tickle the volcanoes, make a whole new "oceania"
mircea_popescu: it's not canned, i make them up fresh.
jurov: ah "not a thing"... another mp's canned reply
antephialtic: the hackers claim to have actually pwned coinbase
nubbins`: don't i just feel silly for shovelling a walking path down the middle of my street
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: that is the aformentioned user email enumeration issue
jurov: prolly he'll just call them stupid and move on
antephialtic: I don't have any funds in coinbase, but they are a major point of centralization
antephialtic: but the hacker also has names associated with accounts
antephialtic: they had a security issue that allowed user accounts to be enumerated, and I suspect that is the problem, that scammers are trying to combine that with fake info and sell as a real dump
mircea_popescu: except you know, they are "professional" and thus fail to communicate.
mircea_popescu: i suspect one of the biggest mistakes ever would be to try and rescue the stupidity of global warming by semantics.
antephialtic: in other news, coinbase may have been hacked.
mircea_popescu: deck the halls in boughs of snowy
nubbins`: one of the biggest mistakes ever was referring to man-made climate change as such