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benkay: ya well it ain't about the beer
benkay: every other
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benkay: do you know the area, random_cat ?
benkay: bitcoin derp central in southeast portland
MisterE: maybe the scammers disappeared him
stompysteve: where in the world is carmen sandiego
asciilifeform: rather than plain stripe bits.
asciilifeform: yeah - but the new turd craps out a blob rsa'd to square's public key.
nubbins`: (this is the same sort of jack that headphone+microphone combos use)
asciilifeform: the more realistic explanation is that they didn't care to see people write magstripe stuff using their reader
asciilifeform: (these, and stacks of blank cards, sell on ebay every day)
asciilifeform: as if these had any trouble buying chinese readers
asciilifeform: excuse was, if i recall, that scammers will use the reader to lift cc #s.
MisterE: pretty good side by side comparison, obviously the old model is just a magnetic head
MisterE: Ahh these are for smartphones
MisterE: I'm so glad I hang out here and dont have to track all these scams by myself
joecool: asciilifeform: good to know, i need to dig around and see if i have any of the old style
MisterE: just what stores with a rack of 8 readers need, another one
asciilifeform: i set the 'bozo bit' on 'square' when they caved in to the FUD and replaced their purely-analogue card reader with an elaborate crypto turd
MisterE: you can keep the extended warranty service too.
joecool: i was looking at the gox db leak, he moved coin out of there pretty quickly, i do not think he was one of the big losers in there
nubbins`: but yes, at the time he stopped, he no doubt had a massive pile of btc
kakobrekla: how much are the empty ones?
nubbins`: so all the poor rubes go "ah, less than 2x face, great deal", thinking that's how coins are priced.
joecool: it's like the miner market, OVERPAY FOR ANYTHING WITH BTC STAMP ON IT
nubbins`: the casascius market is on drugs
kakobrekla: also whats with the brass hate
joecool: nubbins`: what are the 10BTC silvers goin for?
nubbins`: unfortunately kako already used the largest eyes possible
nubbins`: the last silver 0.5btc coin i sold (rare holo, mintage 45) went for 6btc
nubbins`: mike_c: depends on the coins. brass ones in general pull smaller premiums
nubbins`: percentage over face isn't a great way to price them, it's better to think in terms of absolute value over face
joecool: on those coins? they hold a nice premium
mike_c: those things are such a crapshoot. you have to trust the whole chain of people who have ever touched it.
nubbins`: i mean, i feel bad for the guy
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i wonder if anyone would buy a casascius coin that i've touched, after what i said about them
Mats_cd03: i distinctly recall saying you basically robbed the guy
MisterE: not possible, mother is not local
Mats_cd03: your mother
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BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Now that Cog has become so far beyond saving, he finally got angry
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Now he wants Garr's head
MisterE: so a comment is not allowed being that the world and this chanel doesn't revolve around your time zone?
BingoBoingo: Well, I had the great fortune of once living next to the bulding whose walkway collapsed first
BingoBoingo: And such is the problem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, if moving to the midwest was an option for you...
asciilifeform: it is always one thing to read a philosophical bit, and another to taste it on one's sorry skin
asciilifeform: apparently one of the things you can't get for these is: rental house in the wash. dc metro area.
asciilifeform: MisterE: reminiscent of the 'is my bank card stolen' service.
BingoBoingo: At least I didn't try translating the thing to a LISP first
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It doesn't work with the footnotes tool like that. Simply returns the same result.
BingoBoingo: Basically it was the NeoBee thread.
BingoBoingo: Maged or other mods had been deleting posts, so... loss doesn't seem to be big
BingoBoingo: BCB: The PR pissed off Maged
BingoBoingo: Well, there's programing, programming well, copypasta, and then just being a dick to a REPL prompt
asciilifeform: but, for some reason, they are all very far away.
BingoBoingo: Well, the history of ventures without MP as a coauthor on MPEx hasn't been spectacular with X.EUR's fate undetermined as of yet. Maybe davout should be included in the asked as well.
mike_c: well, you're skipping the step where you spent x years becoming an expert in your field.
asciilifeform: how difficult is it to get listed on mpex... kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it << i still have no idea what to say to hypothetical random people who want to be listed.
asciilifeform: damn i leave for one day to do meatspace crap and miss all the fun.
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pankkake: ah, with the good trust trating already lol
pankkake: who was the first?
pankkake: so they actually act anonymously. cowardly scum
benkay: "So once again, I must thank Aravind, Gavin, Timo, Luis and all other great people for being behind Bitcoin, which means no other thing that transmitting the passion for it to other people."
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BingoBoingo: blurden: She did PR work for mircea_popescu on the forum. And was banned yesterday. Only real ourcomes is the forum is nao shittier and MPEx loses a recurring expense.
benkay: blackwhite, mike_c mircea_popescu kakobrekla jurov and others with experience in software game thoughts welcome
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turbo_ac100: second to last line there is a 'template=' part pointing to mycroft that *shouldn't* be needed since you can't use the template anyway
mike_c: i don't know if that was there before :)
antephialtic: Karpeles in the US - should be interesting
kakobrekla: turbo_ac100 can you pastebin the xml ?
kakobrekla: apparently theres some xml file ?
benkay: well read the gpg contracts thing
tg2: other than WOT
tg2: I read the listing criteria I saw nothing about absolving personal liability in ti
benkay: the 'why' tho is that mp doesn't care about people who don't read in detail.
benkay: been there myself
kakobrekla: turbo_ac100 i managed to come to that page but i still dot get it, what is the url that needs to be provided for the plugin
tg2: I'm just surprised that noone has pursued it, it seems that mpex is doing just that however by covering their delinquent listers
turbo_ac100: kakobrekla: second hit when searching on mycroft. There are two versions since they (he?) do versioning by hand. Since 1998 I guess...
benkay: tg2: you should read the listing contracts.
kakobrekla: that link should be in the wiki
benkay: read the stuff
tg2: but this company operates in the meatspace
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tg2: ok, I didn't read that in the delisting doc
tg2: who paid them out
benkay: not really. everyone got paid out at par per the contract.
benkay: har the value of S.MPOE is probably in that mircea_popescu delisted bitvps 'aggressively', whereas everyone else lists outright scams.
tg2: from the link posted by mircea_popescu before
tg2: that is no security against the companies it lists running away and taking everyones $
benkay: "holds no liability to the companies it lists"
tg2: who's best interest is in securing these businseses
tg2: sort of like a whoisguard but that holds the parties behind it responsible and sets up audit procedures and processes they have to follow
benkay: who's got the biggest mktcap in btc-denominated securities?
benkay: but let's go down the list by market cap, shall we?
tg2: I think there is a need for this kind of liability secured "trust"
mike_c: then this shit won't happen anymore
tg2: well that is different, those people had direct interests with the company they were representing
benkay: tg2: why did they trust pirate?
benkay: tg2: why do they trust neobee?
tg2: why do they trust fannie/freddy
HeySteve: working on a Proof of Trust coin. the Web of Trust has been an inspiration
kakobrekla: turbo_ac100 the second hit?
benkay: no that is actually the question
neilol: begs the question: how could you do an audit without counter party trust
benkay: tg2: you'll have to overcome the stigma ratings agencies in btc face post-pirate.
tg2: it allows exchanges to prove to a certain degree of trust that that they are solvent without having to show their cold wallets to everybody
benkay: seems a bit premature. there's barely anyone to trust in the first place, much less people in whom one can trust instead of actually trusting your counterparty.
tg2: without having them divulge that
tg2: there would be certification requirements
turbo_ac100: There is a working bitbet search plugin on mycroft now (no ref :P). The 2nd hit is the right one. For it to make sense it should be made auto-discoverable though. Like so https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Creating_OpenSearch_plugins_for_Firefox#Autodiscovery_of_search_plugins
benkay: well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams, the thing doesn't fly unless you can point at a potential customer that's not a scam.
dexX7: well, there are afaik a few who want to open an insurance serivce.. even this twobitsidiot
tg2: you'd have to evaluate the business being insured
tg2: not in the sense that "oh we'll replace your bitcoins if they get stolen or lost" type of stuff
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide
benkay: o there's a new photo of mircea_popescu
zacm: benkay, or whatever the federally approved crypto ends up being...
zacm: the article is from 2014-03-19 but I only saw it today from this bitcointalk post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0
zacm: so this is disconcerting to see the lemmings on bitcointalk cheer on us gov action against mpex people. bitcoin community must be eagerly anticipating govcoin i guess
benkay: hard to tell on the internet.
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benkay: ah well bitfunder == legit then nooz to me
benkay: no subtlety, these guys.
benkay: or very much the old news.
benkay: not the old news?
benkay: truffles is back, all these new faces
gx: i also have to bow out for some beers, it's been a pleasure, thanks for the lambasting everyone
diametric: so, i'm sifting through the scrollback. some kind of daytrading tool coming out soon?
mircea_popescu: well, lotsa new people on here these days, pretty cool.
gx: ctrl+f'ing all over the place
mircea_popescu: gx ok so you're an ambitious coder by the name of kehl, and you did what ?
mircea_popescu: this log is too short. pls thestringpuller to halp elongating ty.
rithm: like the butterfly
rithm: aethero
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thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Aethero
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thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Athero
gx: guess not- i've bought and sold via irc though. a few years ago. guess i'll register with otc and then all will be well
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mircea_popescu: so then nm that neh ?
thestringpuller: This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. This user has not authenticated for more than 311 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer.
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rithm: no trust here either gx
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gx: understandable. we'll be updating the site with more information about us, including shoe pics, SSNs, etc soon.
thestringpuller: if people distrust you, then you have no foundation at all, and getting this "word out" is meaningless
truffles: u trust him now then
truffles: i think theyre being nice though
thestringpuller: then everyone hates you
thestringpuller: get the word out
gx: i appreciate any help- and i expected criticism. main thing is just trying to get the word out.
gx: regardless, we're still in alpha, we're not listing the specific exchanges although they can be seen in the screenshots.
gx: not monthly, credits that are banked in your account, and are used up when you place a trade through the system
truffles: lol at these pronounciations
kakobrekla: what is the biz model of this?
gx: kakobrekla regarding latency, the <20s is a catchall as not all exchanges offer websockets support. so we're forced to poll.
gx: there's a pronunciation guide for you oin coinigy.com
kakobrekla: i dont see any pictures so whatever content you got there is gone
gx: can't improve without constructive criticism. so far apparently there's whitespace, the pictures are shit, and the name sucks
gx: regardless, appreciate the feedback, as negative as it's been :)
gx: we've been tossing some ideas around, such as MPEZ or HAVELOX. but they're not rolling off the tongue.
truffles: what is the name
gx: truffles seriously? is that rhetorical? in which case, no- that's not the name.
truffles wants to go to all the btc startups and shake em
gx: correct. did we not convey the name properly?
truffles: so coinigy is the name?
gx: i understand, i was curious if you were getting whitespace on coinigy.com vs the link i gave you
gx: ok, thanks for the constructive criticism, any idea what we could do to improve on conveying the message?
truffles: is the bitcoin message board down or something?
kakobrekla: dunno i would say you faild to convey the message
kakobrekla: faucet then
kakobrekla: well unless this is a faucet, then no
gx: kakobrekla is there something wrong with that line?
domsch: all the CAD files + software will be free. But if you want to buy the actual unit (meaning already produced) you’ll have to pay. This is for those who don#t have access to a 3d printer and don’t want to go through the hassle.
kakobrekla: As with any new startup, exposure and early adoption are the keys to success. Please help us out by telling your friends, liking our Facebook page and following us on twitter.
domsch: this is a gadget supposed to be there for the public use - it is there to add value, not generate money.
domsch: and yes, this is an NFS terminal. They are not ready for serial production yet as we will do some tests in Zurich sometime soon.
gx: anyone with some BTC twitter followers wanna help a brother out with a retweet? trying to get our beta update out to the public. pm me if interested, thx. sex and drugs in return
domsch: haha - no I hope I don’t. But it’s most stereotypes with locals. I live in the Alps and people around here are process driven: You go to school, college, then you work for someone for a ffew years and ONLY then you can consider running the show.
truffles: if one can get the job done..
domsch: part of that is why it’s great that Internet and Bitcoin allows people to stay anonymous for some time and just convince the other person through words and their abilities.
domsch: as a young kid that is just getting started, doing the above is pretty much the “only way” to prepare oneself. A problem that I have seen in the past is that a lot of people are reluctant to work with youngsters like me - which I do really understand.
domsch: and yes, lurking, reading and listening to the mistakes of others is probably the only way to be prepared for this.
domsch: one of the products http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ we have have been working on. But there is more to come.
thestringpuller: domsch: lurk first. there will always be work to do. learn to do the work first tho
domsch: I wouldn’t say fuck-up. I am rather trying to participate and be actively involved.
twizt: open question: anyone know how i can pull the kraken spot price using their api? where do I insert the symbol/pair on the url to retrieve the price?
truffles: ill wait for the spam n check it out i gues
gribble: nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <nanotube> benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :)
truffles: i wouldnt wanna be good at that nonetheless
truffles: i enjoy poking at u mp cuz others dont seem to dare :D
pankkake: MP is the oracle
mircea_popescu: dood eh ? so what were you in for these past few months ? larceny ? truculence ?
truffles: i happen all the time dood
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> smarter over time << word. this shit sharpens under my very eyes. it's... uncanny.
mircea_popescu: <twizt> i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap << me too. but it doesn't seem like theres ever going to be a report.
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves always the nice guy
ThickAsThieves: <twizt> you sound too sales pitchy /// methinks youre attacking the kid a bit too prematurely
truffles: <thestringpuller> u sure its him or he's paying some minions
thestringpuller: mike_c: true, you will never be able to fully comprehend the defense strategy against a large DDoS without having experienced it like say mircea_popescu
mike_c: to a degree. you still must get in the trenches to really learn.
domsch: there is definitely someone in charge. But what’s the point of all the titles in the early days?
mike_c: it would be better to learn by attaching yourself to someone experienced. this is a bad industry to learn by failure for the reasons already mentioned.
domsch: in the early days of a startup titles don’t matter anyways as we still have to prove all of the hypothesis and actually get a working model up and running. So all these fancy titles are useless. It’s about getting shit done.
nubbins`: is there an english word for restaurant? :D
ThickAsThieves: is there an english word for entrepreneur, it's annoying
domsch: and don’t worry. I won#t be the Chief Compliance Officer, President, CEO, developer and support staff of this project lol
twizt: what are their sales?
domsch: yeh I definitely understand where this is coming from. As people say: “It doesn’t matter what your idea is, it only mattes who you know.” That’s why I’m trying to be surrounded by the right guys. I am working on the networkign right now and meet the right people that have been there, done it.
mircea_popescu: if you prefer the cyrillics spelling
Namworld: domsch, so many young people with your mindset came around to do BTC services/business, only to have everything go down because of the tiniest mistake. BTC doesn't forgive, hackers don't forgive. Smallest error can doom you.
mircea_popescu: a 18yo that fucks up is losing his key for all time. you're risking a lot more than the 50yo, who already fucked the girls, drank the meads, got bored.
mircea_popescu: a 50yo that fucks up is therefore losing his key for ages 51-70 or w/e
benkay: maybe reconsider the point-of-sale angle, sir.
benkay: "nobody knows how to make movies, but there are some people who know how to not make movies"
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domsch: I am not in this space to make a buck and seize every tiny opportunity, or even try to scam people. I’m here for the bigger picture. I may be young, I may be dumb - but I am trying.