mircea_popescu: "you" can have a girl hang around the whole day for the cost of two beers, except not YOU.
cads: where 90% of the crowd would probably kill to have booth babes
ThickAsThieves: they should try booth whores
mircea_popescu: that guy rants about them.
mircea_popescu: the rough equivalent being the it corp dudes that go to check out the babes at it conferences.
mircea_popescu: 5th wheel intern-ish girlies without clear responsibilities, which'd be the ones answering to a call like that, those you can seduce.
mircea_popescu: and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work.
mircea_popescu: which you only actually comprehend months after the event.
mircea_popescu: cads only if you're the sort of type that enjoys failing in a humiliating manner
cads: I could always seduce the secretaries as I went along
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves incidentally, best fun i ever had in boston was the day i decided ima coldcall small publishers for my book.
ThickAsThieves: (not the phone)
ThickAsThieves: if you wanna reach out, find the most appropriate venues
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious what happens should cads coldcall some random doods and then proceed to "get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like"
ThickAsThieves: they ar emaking atc bot stuffs
cads: note how the idea that I compile a list of companies that might need my services and cold call them was like this huge epiphany for me :)
cads: mircea_popescu: I have all the marketing acumen of an aspergers kid.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller a production guide ?
bounce: You are the unexpected inquisition and I claim my comfy chair, thanks.
mircea_popescu: there's a standard, every fuckwit dimwit and captain foreskinhead out there thinks they know better.
mircea_popescu: but until then, whatever. too much stuff to remember anyway.
bounce: the brave new bitcoin world so needs code auditors, as well as financial auditors.
kakobrekla: i dunno why i should like them.
mircea_popescu: my brain actually works like this. once you become stupid i might start caring about the details of whart they did.
mircea_popescu: far as i'm concerned it's still "kako didn't like them"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla was it in the log somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: than for the actual special olympics.
mircea_popescu: apparently more poeople were tuning into tardstalk to check out the lady with a chainsaw at the special olympics
mircea_popescu: jborkl the theory i heard was more like "well now that mpoe-pr is not there to walk all over their faces, kinda lost interest in the whole show"
bounce: backups on the same server. oh dear. well, I suppose it /might/ guard against mysql inexplicably fscking up in some creative way or other
mircea_popescu: Neil yeah. the ones not backed by governments.
Neil: More insane hashing power seems to have hit the network. With the price dropping precipitously there must be miners who are hurting.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> the -assets rating agency in action << word.
mircea_popescu: jborkl apparently doing less volume on their exchange than i do buying stockings.
kakobrekla: <jurov> kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so < on the same server. only.
jborkl: they out
jborkl: mircea_popescu> so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it. ??
bounce would concur with the mysql verdict
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i ain't arguing, you speak their language.
kakobrekla: go ahead and like them.
bounce: the -assets rating agency in action
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic as far as i know, stamp's problems in our heads all trace to kakobrekla not likeing them, which was a year ago and he never really explained past "i met them and they're fucktarded".
mircea_popescu: o wait... the girl is no longer on the forum. inexplicably, all the rubes muchly relieved. d'oh.
mircea_popescu: a well. live and fucking learn, when the girl tells you to stfu and fix things you stfu and fix things.
mircea_popescu: so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it.
jurov: bounce, not sure if that's the guy you hace in mind
bounce: bitcoinbourse is the "I SUE YOO" guy, no?
moiety: there's*
moiety: there a fight going on outside somewhere :(
ozbot: Dilbert comic strip for 04/02/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
mircea_popescu: at their age ?
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jurov: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/04/02/prypto-group-limited-to-be-listed-on-bitcoinbourse-eu-from-april-15th-2014/
mircea_popescu: bounce waits for a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day. <<< how the fuck do you think mpex works.
CheckDavid: The women are just my style
steven-__: people are always blathering on about women in tech where is the outrage over MPOE-PR, surely this is more of a story than that github whore or the nigger who tweeted a picture of some boys making dongle jokes?
mircea_popescu: i'd rather give to Worldwide Nude Whoredom Foundation.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://jezebel.com/the-united-states-of-bros-a-map-and-field-guide-1550563737 << check out the liberated girls that last got laid back when their hair was a lot shorter hating on teh chicago brohood.
mircea_popescu: nasa is sort-of like the next neobee
mircea_popescu: first they cut the sub-mars nasa budget, now they cut its space station budget under the guise of politics
mircea_popescu: so no more us flights to the space station ?
ThickAsThieves: bilateral meetings, email, and teleconferences or videoconferences. At the present time, only operational International Space Station activities have been excepted. In addition, multilateral meetings held outside of Russia that may include Russian participation are not precluded under the present guidance."
ThickAsThieves: "Given Russia's ongoing violation of Ukraine¹s sovereignty and territorial integrity, until further notice, the U.S. Government has determined that all NASA contacts with Russian Government representatives are suspended, unless the activity has been specifically excepted. This suspension includes NASA travel to Russia and visits by Russian Government representatives to NASA facilities,
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: the country has been pooped on by industrialization
CheckDavid: Love is always waiting around the corner.
moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/01/the-elephant-in-the-living-room-baby-elephant-wanders-into-familys-house-4685779/
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: if you watch modern family. There's zone got chick there always quoting popular wisdom is Spanish
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buff | When someone is looking fine u say they are buff (London ting)
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: which trend? Posting pics. Taking them? Or just hanging around naked on the street?
Mats_cd03: or at least send their children to western schools
Mats_cd03: yeah, even if youre rich, the weathy and smart chinese try to leave
moiety: CheckDavid: they generally look quite happy
Mats_cd03: i anticipate a tripling of chinese expats in the next ten years
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid actually that's the ukraine, and i'm trying to get a trend going.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkOqFEECUAAqEVZ.png << half of china is roughly the size of california.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: why do you keep posting pics of poor people from your country with no clothes?
mircea_popescu: moiety hey there.
mircea_popescu: weren't these fuckwits all over everyone's case all through the 90s about how they're supposed to deflate ? argentina, brazil, asia, the works ?
mircea_popescu: the imf is now "warning of low inflation". for the love of all the gods, this is like living in a dali painting.
mircea_popescu: kickback culture is about as ingrained as kleenexing in the us, i just can't imagine any context in which it'd have been omitted.
mircea_popescu: i can't for the life of me imagine those firms didn't throw him kickbacks under the table
mircea_popescu: nubbins`:what if i told you... that your investment went straight into the pockets of cypriot marketing firms? << that's only part of it. even should the guy have been fucktarded enough to pay ratecard, which is not entirely impossible, given how well his brain worked otherwise,
mircea_popescu: nice work on the .lk thing
cads: so whatevs, we have what appears to be the reason for incidents
cads: I don't know what caused the initial explosion but we thought we fixed it and it popped out again
cads: diametric: we talked to john about the push to connect - apparently the first batch was cheap chinese stuff
diametric: I saw that, did you make sure the PTC teeth didn't break? Every time I've had that happen, PTC teeth broke and the whole fitting was weaker as a result.
cads: right, that's happened to us but it was under our supervision at the time
diametric: But it won't cover all jams (such as popping the bowden tube and filament just freely spooling in the air)
cads: I would hope they do
cads: maybe they implement jam detection
diametric: Yeah that is lame. You can do a really simple encoder on the idler bearing of the extruder
cads: but the features that gives seem to be lame duck - it can cancel the print if you run out of filament, and that's it
diametric: Are they doing it for calibration or for safety during a jam?
cads: diametric: a company is launching a printer that has a feed sensor that detects that filalement is coming out of the extruder drive and travelling into the bowden tube
cads: I was thinking feedback loops with sensors reading the filament travel, extrusion rate, or extruder pressure
diametric: Theres a crazy guy, I think his name is Jetguy on various forums, built such a machine though.
cads: the math/control/coding is not too hard
diametric: for feedback, is the primary reason.
cads: punkman: problably the entry cost for the design work required for the sensors is what's the main issue
punkman: cads, I wonder why there aren't more people working on adding servo/feedback loops on an extruder
cads: (the reason to go to all this trouble is, of course, variable color)
cads: even if your extruder has a motor on board for the mixing
Apocalyptic: I sent an email in the meantime
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kakobrekla: whats the url again?
Apocalyptic: afaik it's the most active ATC market
kakobrekla: yes Apocalyptic but the signal must not be fucked or else its useless
cads: I'd definitely feel iffy about putting an extruder motor directly on the end of the delta effector arm
cads: and some practical ones - like the bowden tube twice popped out of its push-n-lock connector
cads: there are some weird issues
cads: I don't know anything other than bowden
cads: err, the e-motor
diametric: I'm even using the magnetic ball joints
kakobrekla: dunno, spit out the numbers, daily, weekly, monthly
cads: I estimate $200-$300 to have the stuff made
kakobrekla: whats the vol*
cads: I'm thinking of lasering an acrylic envelope for the whole printer
kakobrekla: what the vol
cads: to wit, they already do
punkman: if you build an enclosure, the heated platform and extruder can probably heat up the whole thing. You just want to avoid overheating the steppers after that.
cads: hey have you given any thought to the thermal engineering that'd go into a heated build volume for a delta beast?
[KS]: if you have enough experience, you can even evaluate the "avg lifetime worth" of a customer, that helps price your service as well.
[KS]: cads: my 0.02c - customers bring customers. start with the cheapskates and guess what your future customers will be ... it's very important you chose your "inital" group of customers carefully and that you don't hesistate to fire the ones you don't want. return customers are more valuable than one-offs.
benkay: over deliver on quality, though. not features or time spent on the thing.
punkman: cads, cool stuff, haven't had a chance to play with a delta bot. I've built a couple Prusas myself, calibration was kinda impossible though and I had better things to do, so I just got rid of them.
cads: it is a delta gantry printer with a cylindrical build volume approximately 200mm in diameter and 300mm tall - a Rostock Max, manufactured by the awesome See-Me-CNC
cads: lol, even if I produce failure after failure there are still gonna be the moments where everyone is brilliant!
ThickAsThieves: cads, even if the minimum is perceived to be more work than needed, it does a very important thing
cads: telling them 100 stops the games of when the customer is assuming it'll only take 20 minutes of design work.
cads: so right now my clients feel too cheap to pay $60 design fee, _and_ they find out how much I ostensibly work.
punkman: missing a 0 there
cads: ThickAsThieves: the customer may grudgingly accept the price knowing full well they will utilize only 10% of the service bundle they're purchasing. And this is okay because it get them the play they need.
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, maybe he meant it in the karpeles way
ThickAsThieves: it's the price to play
cads: by complying to the flat fee they actually have to come to a stance that it's at least fair-ish
mike_c: but those are largely recurring tasks, and the fee can be adjusted if one side is unbalanced
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cads: for the freemium tier the client gets their design automatically validated by my software - I do that for all prints anyways
ThickAsThieves: dont spend the budget and leave a client stranded
ThickAsThieves: trying to "play" it to what you think the client will accept
nubbins`: check out this video (sorry about the ads): http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/NL/Featured/ID/2446160712/
cads: one thing I notice is that charging people per hour seems to throw them for a loop
ThickAsThieves: hourly from the get-go just doesnt work
cads: ThickAsThieves: I like the flat rate approach!
cads: getting discouraged by my interactions so far would seem to imply I've done everything under the sun and it didn't work, but that's not at all true
cads: I don't want clients that don't know how to do well for themselves, lol
cads: with the clients I feel like just talking to them about their designs and what it would take to make them makeable means they get expert input without paying a dime, and then they realize they can't afford the job and we're out half an hour worth of email correspondence time.
ThickAsThieves: tell them exactly what they get for a flat rate, and what costs might be beyond that
cads: Mats_cd03: I wouldn't bill more than two hours for converting a 2d drawing into a part, say with one round of revision for the client.
Mats_cd03: i think theres a sweet spot for pricing that can still be profitable for a two man operation
cads: their great invention
cads: or they'll contact you wanting a huge order of 300 of some small, crude looking widget
cads: they're like "well lemme go back to sketchup and see if I can make a part that you'll say is makeable, thanks"
cads: Mats_cd03: the design service we offer is great - I have 10 years cad experience and so does my partner. And it's a good price - 35 an hour for these low level cusomers (60 for corporate) - and where our corporate client is happy with our prices, the low level clients hate to even think of paying 35 an hour....
MisterE: poorest customers are always the most hassle
cads: We are local and so we can deliver faster than the major prototyping houses
Mats_cd03: since theres no moat in 3d printing
Mats_cd03: the small bidness angle works better in that space
Mats_cd03: when i do things like that i offer to buy lunch and see them in person
cads: so call random companies that I know develop products, get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like, "hey I'm cads with shopcoin prototypes, and the reason I'm calling you today is to learn a little bit about how your company currently uses prototypes in its product design phase"
Mats_cd03: build a site with a nice template and short, legible URL and then start printing flyers
cads: I wanna make a site and push some calls out to some other companies, I just... currently have no idea how to do that efficiently, and every reason to learn how
jborkl: Thank you for looking, I need to buy a few and the price controls are tight.
pankkake: http://www.kessaoutil.com/marque-gys-croissant-1.html sells the brand, and the product doesn't seem to be there
pankkake: jborkl: http://www.outillage-btp.com/fr/p/5257-poste-de-soudage-par-point-gyspot-inverter-bp-lc-s7 … this is the best I can find so far
jborkl: Can you see what the price of this piece of equipment is, the interwebs will not find it in english
Apocalyptic: so it's different from the gox situation
benkay: although they had known epic haxx ahead of time.
Apocalyptic: benkay, btw what's your basis for the "stamp may be running a fractional" ?
benkay: has the gox practice of allowing unfunded bids and asks spread to bitstamp et al.?
benkay: is this how the pros do it?
benkay: jurov kakobrekla is usd/btc sensible in the context of a bid/ask ratio?
jborkl: but yeah $13 to $7? with pirate was pretty nasty, I thought it was over then
benkay: still gotta bleed out all of the enthusiasm of 2012
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['23152 @ 0.00094554', '16100 @ 0.00094958', '11500 @ 0.00095027', '35600 @ 0.00095069', '118611 @ 0.00096']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15650 @ 0.000944', '1292 @ 0.00094275', '29800 @ 0.00094126', '25400 @ 0.000939', '30700 @ 0.00093838']
thestringpuller: damn missing out on all the buying opportunity
bounce: git patch output over email to the mentor
bounce: ayup. but if you don't... you have more fires to put out. those aren't free either.
benkay: bounce: if you go that route you gotta set aside the time for mentorship and training as well.
bounce: well, that's very limiting. what you need to do is very picky who you pick for what task. including picking promising newbies and give them leeway to earn (or lose) trust.
pankkake: no recruiting outside the web of trust basically
pankkake: what I've seen is: people who know each other for years, start a company, struggle a lot but at least they enjoy it
bounce: no, that's not the only solution. far from it. but understanding that with good management you achieve more is a prerequisite.
bounce waits for a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day.
pankkake: reasoning: "we need to have the contract, it will bring more business later"
pankkake: the worst was when my estimates were modified without my knowledge
pankkake: the issue is that you don't have to overpromise first
pankkake: my theory is that smart clients don't outsource anyways
bounce: er. this is the usual "never time to do it right the first time, always time to do it again later, at higher cost" argument. yet somehow there's always room for people with clue. funny how that works.
pankkake: to pay for the service
VanCleef: to pay for the serivce or set it up?
pankkake: VanCleef: I don't think many have the funds for it
pankkake: still they might have to rebase one day
benkay: easier to crack the whip on new devs than get client to pay for vcs maintenance
pankkake: benkay: yeah, he knew how to. which is why I loved working with him: the CSS he was writing made sense. I almost never had to touch it, because it was thought for what was going to be written
VanCleef: do you think the idea could work?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: nor, probably, should they.
benkay: so here's the problem: people working on css do not understand or care about complexities of version control
benkay: it's the dev fucking with the test branch generating oodles of 'merging XXX of remote into XXX'
benkay: eh i'm not so hateful about that. it's nice to have a point at which the test branch was merged into master to point at.
pankkake: you can merge pull requests from the web interface
benkay: i have a contractor whose hand needs to either be slapped or held, can't decide yet.
pankkake: also one of the reasons I hate github
benkay: hey does anyone have a concise "merge commits suck and you suck for producing them" on tap?
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nubbins`: you'd probably get a better price from a local company, since they wouldn't have to ship the product to you
nubbins`: varies based on quantity and number of colors. generally there's a flat setup fee of $40, plus $15 for each extra color after the first
thestringpuller: like what's the upfront per screen fee, and cost per shirt?
Apocalyptic: the stock market is so inflated it hurts
thestringpuller: the only thing to invest in is MPOE
VanCleef: maybe i should start investing in the stock market
nubbins`: there's 5.5btc up for grabs on the s.mg VWAP bet, and that's closing around the time chetty said the next release is coming out