joecool: though tbh i am polar opposite to gf, i can't eat wheat and she cooks bread all the time, i just eat a lot of breakfast food all the time
cazalla: joecool: i don't even care so much now that my son has my surname, that was really the only reason why i would've pushed for her to take my surname to begin with
cads: lol, I like those girls but I fight with them a lot
cazalla: cads: she's vegan, leftist, check your privilege type, i hate the woman and her mouse of a husband just follows what she says
cazalla: cads: it could be worse, her bff got married and her husband changed his surname, i have no respect for the man
cads: "lets renegotiate this deal once you're willing to accept the name change package"
cazalla: We discussed it before but she doesn't want to change her surname so I told her I'm not asking then
cazalla: together almost 6 years though so with a kid, we're pretty much married
cads: but you'll do the right thing
cads: I dunno, regrets, man, don't discount them
cazalla: I'll butcher it when I paraphrase but along the lines of it's not that the world sucks but you're looking at everything through the lense of a sore and tired drunk
cazalla: MP actually said something interesting in the logs about this to you or something else
cazalla: and that's when the problems can occur
cazalla: Ah, it's not a problem, I just see the habit forming again that's all
cads: I still maintain sobriety from alcohol and other drugs, but I smoke pot
cazalla: you talked about it last year - i'm reading through the logs from the start and came across that like a week ago
cazalla: cads: are you still sober these days?
cads: then the kid actually kowtows and apologizes for being treated this way and even _thanks mircea for replying at all_
cads: wow I just read mircea completely demolish some logic, and then make an unfounded claim. An anonymous kid attacked the claim, to which mircea finally admitted the claim was true because he was the elder and does not have to give an explanation and take it or leave it
cazalla: Mats_cd03: yeah, it's good, sick of seeing the wife so much each day though :P
Mats_cd03: its well worth the 5 dollars a month imo
artifexd: Mats_cd03, I just got my invite and am looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the pointer.
Mats_cd03: but theres a log so it doesnt really matter
MisterE: but, without the gay stuff
MisterE: we had that great chat the other night then nothing since I feel like I've ben dumped after a hot 1-night stand :p
KRS-One: They didn't shave in the 70's..our poor parents had sub par pron indeed. We have it so much better these days.
KRS-One: yeah..must fix ozbot..i knew something was going wrong toward the end. He was spitting out links to 70's and black and white porn.
cazalla: moiety: nope and i don't know anyone that does, the story changes over time though - where the circus caravan overturned etc
moiety: cazalla: ever seen it? i wonder how many of these phantom cats were secret exotic pets that got loose
cazalla: moiety: i know about one of those phantom cats (blue mountains panther), we were always told it broke free when a cage overturned from a circus travelling up the mountain
moiety: i know grumpy cat but this one looks rather sour too... what did he do?
moiety: asciilifeform: i didn't know they had a name for this either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_cat [Alien Big Cats]
BingoBoingo: The late colonel http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/tech/social-media/apparently-this-matters-rip-colonel-meow/
moiety: asciilifeform: thats incredible. its really interesting how they are all a bit different. I'm espcieally surprised at the ocelot hybrid. (and the fact theres such a thing as a cryptozoologist)
mircea_popescu: because teh ceo had personal funds there.
mircea_popescu: cazalla im not so sure there exist any tattoo on any twentysomething that could be explained by a 50 something
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moiety: though, thats epic personalised presents for the rest of your days
moiety: mike_c: thats epic, thanks for shairing... i would make a million of the rainbow cube thingys
bounce: the important stuff is all on wire that that doesn't seem to suffer
asciilifeform: buy a generic docsis modem, reflash the addr, problem solved.
bounce: were it up to me I'd separate out the docsis3 part into a standalone thingy and do the rest elsewhere.
asciilifeform: there are dumb isps where i live, that want you to use their router. most of them are easily dealt with (MAC spoof)
asciilifeform: bounce: you're using a router supplied by other people ?!
bounce: huh, since today ze wifi developed a habit of cutting all live connections every hour or so. possibly the isp did an "upgrade", they pulled that before, with similar effects. oh the joys of CPEs, even brand name issue ("cisco" here)
asciilifeform: so the card only sees crypted blocks.
asciilifeform: cardano uses a micro-sd card for storage, and assumes that said card was built by the devil
bounce: the volunteers tend to not see it that way
bounce: (notice how the industry counts: single. multi. triple.)
asciilifeform: in the sense that a recent 'ssd' would barely last a few thousand write cycles without leveling.
bounce: the keys I have here are all well before the large leaps around the time of the barefoot controller. perhaps should replace a few. then again, I'd get inferior flash.
asciilifeform: bounce: they do.
asciilifeform: most of the available ones are designed to be reflashed via usb
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is one of the reasons it took me so long to find an appropriate micro for cardano
mike_c: no reason cardano wouldn't be susceptible to that is there?
bounce: not just that. there's been cases where the gold key image had some virus or other, causing $largenum of usb keys to ship that way from factory
asciilifeform: i've tried this personally - it works. (you need a drive for which either docs or some reverse-engineerable flash diddler from the factory are available.)
asciilifeform: usb keys have been penetrated before << this refers to various experiments where you re-flash the microcontroller inside a usb drive, to do various useful things.
asciilifeform: whether this has anything to do with practical security is a puzzle for students of u.s. bureaucracy.
asciilifeform: now, these gadgets are blessed by a priest, sprinkled with holy water before deployment, etc.
asciilifeform: but this is not mandatory - there are plenty of gadgets with 'red' and 'black' connectors on one panel
asciilifeform: everyone's seen the photos of the general sitting next to two keyboards, two monitors, etc.
asciilifeform: it is mainly about separating wiring for 'red' (plaintext that must not leave) and 'black' ciphertext that can go outside the walls
asciilifeform: handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy) << read the crap. red/black has nothing to do with airgaps, for the most part.
cads: I'm sure they did but I've heard nary a one
mircea_popescu: very totalitarian system. soon enouhg ALL THERE IS is X topic.
cads: bounce: yeah, now I wonder about the enemy's opposing cryptoparks
mircea_popescu: bounce i'd say it's uncontroversial that they did a lot of very good work. the problem with the propapress -> wikipedia -> reddit machine oif nonthink is that it flattens alternatives
bounce: could be something to do with the shameful treatment of turing, too, though. (including the recent "rehabilitation" thing)
asciilifeform: i'll take the liberty of translating the russian expression for these - 'wonderwaffles'
bounce: esp. going on the end they also put a lot of faith in "wonder weapons", "victory weapons", and such. bit of a parallel with the US, that
asciilifeform: anyone who had the misfortune of attending u.s. schools is in for a little mindfuck - the evidence that sk (at the behest of its puppeteer across the ocean) started the korean war is, imho, convincing.
cads: haha, the book I refer to was neal stephenson's cryptonomicon
cads: I can't imagine we didn't enjoy the exact same treatment
cads: but using it in a way such that they could not deduce that we were decyphering everything
cads: haha, all I know about what sunk the germans I learned from a fictional account of breaking the Enigma machine
mircea_popescu: if you actually bother looking at the facts, the two regimes are scarcely different.
mircea_popescu: cads that's nonsense, the north korea is much less free than the average. in fact, about as unfree as the us.
mircea_popescu: zee germanz had much better "technical capabilities" than their intellectual, strategic and ultimately human capabilities.
cads: free as the north one is to grant the humint operators the latitude needed to implement every single tactic from their wet dreams
mircea_popescu: technical capabilities are not the question.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: personally i've no evidence in favour or against the 'they've got the pill and are sitting on it' hypothesis
asciilifeform: these people claim (not entirely implausible) to be the largest employer of math phd types in the usa
mircea_popescu: there's a german Peter Sragher version which is pretty decent. but otherwise the guy seems an incredibly well kept secret. funny how that works.
asciilifeform: cads: likewise no leaks from the math farms.
cads: we didn't see leaks from the operations and strategy department
cads: ie, we just saw leaks from the software development department
mircea_popescu: i can't conveniently search for the shit, no good kbd
cads: this would be the "strategic level" that mircea_popescu alluded to
asciilifeform: nsa writes crapware for winblows, 'meta-nsa' then would do something interesting.
asciilifeform: cads: the two-nsa hypothesis is that the americans have a stable of folks with brains squirreled away somewhere
mircea_popescu: (communists protested the nomination)
mircea_popescu: no, he was a philosopher, theory of knowledge.
mircea_popescu: it's mostly used derrisively to bother anticultural and antiintellectual lines
mircea_popescu: something like "let us not dispell the world's corolla of wonder"
mircea_popescu: one of his lines is meanwhile common cultural cliche in romanian, "sa nu strivim corola the minuni a lumii"
mircea_popescu: there's a romaina guy that did extensive "research" on this topic, his name was lucian blaga
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the average cunt with a hidden angler fish right under the flesh would be also indistinguishable from the average cunt.
asciilifeform: see winston churchill and the demolition of coventry.
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is that nsa-as-we-know-it, but with a pill against modern crypto hidden in an 'indiana jones'-style vault, would scarcely be distinguishable from what we can now see
ozbot: Hair, the musical pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hair-the-musical/ epic fucking shit.
mike_c: and applying makeup to their soldiers
cads: and their economy is so productive.
bounce: not sure if it's a cause or an effect, but the shifting is happening, yes
mike_c: north korea isn't good at anything except extorting money from the us.
cads: their emperor is a God!
mircea_popescu: mike_c the 2nd best one :p
mircea_popescu: bounce watch the influence spheres move as a result.
bounce: not a european country among them. huh.
bounce: so who's got good or at least respectable humint going on these days?
mircea_popescu: you know, brain surgeon ain't likely to work for the cockroach infested hospital. because he prefers working with people he respects,
bounce: the us fan club named nato and the inner "five eyes" circle keeps on fapping on all that wonderful computer-y stuff nsa and gchq must shirley have
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how you imagine someone with the capability of running an actual spyshop could be lured to work for the us
mircea_popescu: on the actual ground, the us has serious problems hiring people who don't spend most of their time wondering if "deep down" theyt're really women or not.
bounce: I forget whose documentary it was where some cia operative went "well we just have to step into all these messes you lot (==all the world) keep on being in" -- meaning it seriously and conveniently turning a blind eye to the glaring fact it's the us, more specifically the cia, that's been busy causing the messes in the first place
cads: is it really hard to believe that they'd reveal some version of their capabilities knowing that fear and uncertainty would actually legitimize those practices?
mircea_popescu: generally diplomacy by and large goes the way of spyshop-y.
mircea_popescu: anyway : meanwhile things have deteriorated, and the us "spyshop" doesn't even count. it's in there in the 3rld world, between congo and indonesia or something
mircea_popescu: so basically think fat kid that's allowed in the sikrit fraternity because he lets everyone borrow the stuff his rich parents buy him
bounce: they're not a human spy shop, no. they do deal in information and so also in misinformation.
mircea_popescu: rthe only difference betweenthem and the french being that the french had no money, either.
mircea_popescu: the us humint was never any good, even at the height of the cold war they were more of a laughingstoc operationally,
bounce: at the same time I find it hard to see what this leak could possibly achieve being misinformation. what would they steer us away from and how massive would that have to be?
mircea_popescu: the us made the mistaken strategic decision to move from humint to sigint at the end of the cold war.
cads: "obviously the corporate leaks were not done by the CEO" "But he's gotten great publicity!" "he's going to spend his life in jail" "yeah but he'll be a mover/shaker in the real world via his letters" "he hanged himself last night" "yeah but this was all of his plan so that now he can laugh at us and manipulate the stock market from Hell"
cads: anyways mircea_popescu I'm glad my argument for heavily doctored NSA papers is not strong. I saw similar arguments claiming the pentagon papers were exactly what the higher ups wanted released, nothing more, nothing less, and those arguments seem cranky
mircea_popescu: not to imply anything about either your bra filling abilities or his bar hopping skills.
mircea_popescu: moiety i imagine cupcake mantits met snowden the same way you met BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj more like "because they fucked up a bitbet."
bounce: then reality hit.
bounce: one of the reasons I bought a nokia e52 was because there was cryptophone source available that was supposed to work on that thing
moiety: mircea_popescu: no but still, how did they meet? and she did know about what e was going to do, they left their home in may.
cads: everyone knows they're recording the phone calls, now everyone believes that they can only keep the phone calls for a month, that the program to do it is called MYSTIC, and that it hasn't been used against the US
cads: so possibly he's doing us a favor by explaining the capabilities in more complete way
cads: when he covers a larger new outlet's story on the revelation of a new capability, he's always pointing out the technical ways in which the capabilities go further than the article explains
cads: mircea_popescu: if he's an agent why talk about these capabilities? To brag. And more importantly to mislead and misinform.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow your argument then
cads: it's kinda like he's playing some kind of theatre, dazzling and shocking us with these capabilities, then here and there dropping a paragraph about how we should do something against them
bounce: "criminals and other countries"
cads: mircea_popescu: also I know you don't like schneier, but for a while he had his "NSA Exploit of the day" that was a near daily analysis of a new exploit from his researches of the leaked documents - here he apparently concludes that with basically saying, I've shown you all these exploits. Now we need to come up with ways to defend against them because not only the NSA will use them, but also criminals and other countries
turbo_ac100: I have a different user ID on the keyserver and eregistered here. Matters?
mircea_popescu: cads snowden was a contractor. he didn't have access to the strategic bundle.
cads: that's highly likely, and it would be nice if someone acknowledged the documents snowden didn't manage to get
Duffer1: strategies to counter congress likely weren't as available as the rest of snowden's material
cads: after building the case that they're fucking everyone, he would have been like "but this. This is what they really don't want you to see"
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cads: I think it's reasonable that they would have made study of factors that could legitimately destabilize them, and come up with ways to counter.
Duffer1: cadswhat scares the NSA? >> any entity that could threaten its funding
cads: but more likely those documents simply didn't make it into the package snowden has revealed
cads: maybe the agency doesn't know itself well enough to imagine it has _any_ fears
BingoBoingo: Possibly. She has yet to tweet this month, and seemed rather interested in the topic. This reading thing is a hell of a drug
bounce: that with tweets maxing at 160 chars and irc messages at a little more, wouldn't it make sense for ozbot to special-case twitter.com/.../status/... and include the actual tweet?
cads: it's not in the documents
cads: or the people behind it?
cads: what scares the NSA?
cads: Nowhere do we see documents on what the NSA percieved to be a serious threat!
cads: so one hypothesis is that there's a body of people that had this information made up to some extent, at the very least glorifying the capabilities and making them seem starkly unopposeable.
mircea_popescu: i guess fell down the reading rabbit hole
BingoBoingo: I wonder if reutereEmily is going to cover the NeoBee fiasco
mircea_popescu: the counterplan is quite obvious : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447044579049873408
cads: and now, even with the revelations, normal people are even _less_ likely to want to imagine their capabilities and how to fight them
cads: the way it's being covered just seems suspicios - the technologies are made to sound super duper scary, almost unimaginable, and nobody I've read is writing any serious counterplans
mircea_popescu: the latter claim is uncontroversial.
cads: I mean, you're familiar that QUANTUM is allegedly a massive attack and risk mitigation suite with a huge encyclopedia of attacks and expert systems for deploying them. And that other aspects of the tailored access unit have allegedly done such things as pushing backdoors into cryptoprotocols.
mircea_popescu: then what are you talking about.
mircea_popescu: did you read the actual leaks
cads: including stuff that the media has spun as "the ability to store all the transfers on the internet for a whole 4 day review period"
cads: snowden's revalations have continued to detail a number of really extensive cyber capabilities that the NSA has
mircea_popescu: were you asking about the latter ?
cads: I think that the capabilities being divulged are too over the top and being divulged in a way engineered to make the vast majority of people accept them.
bounce: wonder how hard it is to TEMPEST-proof a laptop. if a can of metallic paint to the inside of the shell is enough that should be a nice enough niche earner
cads: mircea_popescu: what are the odds you put on Snowden himself being a US agent?
mircea_popescu: which is precisely why he makes the sort of cargo cult suggestions he does make.
cads: the suggestions he gives for airgaps would not protect against the kind of measures the NSA is claimed to be able to take
mircea_popescu: jurov "In this paper we will describe some of the shortcomings and suggest solution"
bounce: well, the sentiment is sensible enough: minimise infection vectors, build in barriers and things that might tip you off
cads: "Malware can silently write data to a USB stick, but it can't spin the CD-R up to 1000 rpm without your noticing. "
cads: for example use read only cdrs to dump data into the machine
moiety: 22:47 <mircea_popescu> and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work. << a good secretary can't be seduced. this is true. however, also means loyalty.
bounce: that means something like linux or a *BSD is Right Out because... those come FROM the internet!!1!
cads: which consisted of a brand new laptop that had never been connected to the internet, and a thumbdrive
mircea_popescu: cads you mean bnc connector ? or is there some diff ?
cads: bruce schneir described the airgapping "effort" he was using to research the NSA papers and write the articles reviewing them.
ThickAsThieves: meh, for tomorrow, for now, off to the rap show!
mircea_popescu: another 25% seems quite outlandish in my head.
ThickAsThieves: and now they say i havent done it yet
ThickAsThieves: i just might, would be nice to get the damn bill first...
cads: my source material is probably the wikipedia article on the military design document I mentioned earlier, instead of the actual document
ThickAsThieves: but was quick to tell me the retainer was up
cads: what I recall was that these punched cards were transfered over by humans, but I remember nothing of how they'd use that to prevent arbitrary content from entering the red system
mircea_popescu: fast food chains compete for customers. rich people compete for seats at the hot club.
ThickAsThieves: but i do question why it is more accepted, other than people are more loose with their money
ThickAsThieves: the self-sabotaging of that nature probly is an american cultural thingy
bounce: that still depends on the front making intelligent decisions as to what to sign, but, you know...
mircea_popescu: there's no way this is right
bounce: ISTR the cacert people had a description up of how they did it: serial cable to the box with the signing key and a custom protocol that only understood signing requests and returned signed certificates, no other connection to anything whatsoever.
bounce: depends. if you do an automated transcription of ethernet frames to punch tape and back again, you don't really have an air gap. just like putting a wireless hop in the network to have an "air gap" doesn't really work.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:trying to "play" it to what you think the client will accept << what the fuck self-sabotaging second guessing bullshit is this, seriously! bejaysus.
cads: such a traditional system might still use punch cards to transfer data from the black to the red system
cads: mircea_popescu: I know there's a military handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy)
bounce: some jugging around with public key crypto goes a ways there
mircea_popescu: rather than random schmoe bored online.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:hourly from the get-go just doesnt work << it does work in some fields. lawyers are the typical usecase, but also many high-demand few specialist engineering fields. you pay the hourly rate to qualify yourself as an actual customer
thestringpuller: how else would the college derp get laid without a women studies class?
cads: systems goes online once in its life to acquire the required reference materials, and then gets all its wireless adaptors removed
mircea_popescu: but the man doth have a point. i find it shocking that us pretend-academia will offer "women's studies" shit about that twerking girl, but there's no actual airgapping programme anywhere.
cads: the cads number - the number of times you've come up with a math breakthrough while recieving fellatio from one of my booth babes
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well that general question has been answered in the general as best it could on the post man.
cads: Other mathematicians that would publish with me would eventually measure themselves according to their Cads number.
cads: I'd be known as that mathematician that hasn't done any actual math, but has a harem of booth babes and has pushed forward the field into the next millenium.
mircea_popescu: kick out the dinosaurs, humiliatingly so.
mircea_popescu: get the hottest 12 chicks to boothbabe topless, only invite to present those professors who you owe favours to.
cads: the AMA and university bodies and others that organize math conferences tend to be way to conservative to take that as anything other than a joke