VanCleef: if they wanted to
VanCleef: dont they search your car?
ThickAsThieves: partially promoted and organized by the city
ThickAsThieves: they has a first-time craft beer festival
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking sue the town.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works
ThickAsThieves: then tons of cop lights for a half-mile
ThickAsThieves: last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"
mircea_popescu: so the future is still largely unknown.
mircea_popescu: antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,
antephialtic: but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"
asciilifeform: the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.'
antephialtic: well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.
asciilifeform: i remember this. and thought that other people did, too.
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of not useful.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference
mircea_popescu: antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest
BingoBoingo: truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging
mircea_popescu: that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google "there's some lovely filth down here"
mircea_popescu: i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.
BingoBoingo: truffles: There's always only been one topic here
ThickAsThieves: reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy
mircea_popescu: you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable
truffles: i like how theyre like 3 topics ongoing heh
BingoBoingo: Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC
mircea_popescu: let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.
mircea_popescu: so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.
VanCleef: i dont trust him either
antephialtic: Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps
BingoBoingo: I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping
asciilifeform: why does the protocol need 'investment' ?
VanCleef: bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality
antephialtic: VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself
mircea_popescu: for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.
ThickAsThieves: The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash
mircea_popescu: however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.
ThickAsThieves: so much as post the schedule
asciilifeform: truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.
mircea_popescu: fuck the outsiders.
ThickAsThieves: kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex
mircea_popescu: it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D
ThickAsThieves: thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool
truffles: is there a movie?
ThickAsThieves: well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.
ThickAsThieves: i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable
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asciilifeform: check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.
asciilifeform: it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake.
asciilifeform: re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.
ThickAsThieves: maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself
mircea_popescu: that's the cycle.
mircea_popescu: and then eventually dies.
mircea_popescu: so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material
chetty: well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
mircea_popescu: the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was
mircea_popescu: suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.
ThickAsThieves: if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else
ThickAsThieves: i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere
mircea_popescu: and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.
mircea_popescu: my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness
ThickAsThieves: of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown
mircea_popescu: things centralise as they die.
ThickAsThieves: what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable
mircea_popescu: anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,
BingoBoingo: Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww.
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ThickAsThieves: are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?
mircea_popescu: running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.
ThickAsThieves: i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise
mircea_popescu: we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,
asciilifeform: antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself.
mircea_popescu: but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china
mircea_popescu: i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.
BingoBoingo: Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first
mircea_popescu: up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter
ThickAsThieves: maybe tackle from another angle,
mircea_popescu: there is no is.*
mircea_popescu: there is no i.
mircea_popescu: its their own self interest that does.
mircea_popescu: remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.
mircea_popescu: the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.
ThickAsThieves: so the pool reports are a lie?
mircea_popescu: the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in
ThickAsThieves: i mean the remotely measurable stuff
mircea_popescu: this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do
mircea_popescu: where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.
ThickAsThieves: sorry by cex i mean ghash.io pool + the remainder
mircea_popescu: you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going
ThickAsThieves: and is hiding the "excess"
mircea_popescu: or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)
ThickAsThieves: i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing
mircea_popescu: (this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined
mircea_popescu: nobody will control all the coins, too late for that.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.
chetty: National Foundation for the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i don't own power plants either ;/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.
mircea_popescu: and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse
BingoBoingo: Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?
mircea_popescu: then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.
mircea_popescu: re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.
mircea_popescu: the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.
BingoBoingo: Dave's still something http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/
mircea_popescu: this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.
mircea_popescu: but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.
mircea_popescu: that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam
mircea_popescu: if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?
mircea_popescu: if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.
mircea_popescu: just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.
moiety: imagine the sounds it would make tooo
mircea_popescu: fill all the lights with bacon...
ThickAsThieves: get off the dope!
BingoBoingo: Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model
mircea_popescu: omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg
mircea_popescu: they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole.
ThickAsThieves: and systemically dismantled over the years
ThickAsThieves: maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body
ThickAsThieves: they are definitely bitter about something
BingoBoingo: The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely
mircea_popescu: i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort
ThickAsThieves: mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients
mircea_popescu: o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?
BingoBoingo: I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp
BingoBoingo: Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called the best in the world. Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."
mircea_popescu: "Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."
mircea_popescu: ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing.
BingoBoingo: The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.
BingoBoingo: "The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd...
mircea_popescu: the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.
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BingoBoingo: This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact
BingoBoingo: http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Severe-weather-warnings-issued-for-St-Louis-area-253710611.html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Storms-cause-damage-at-Lambert-Airport-minor-injuries-reported-120523519.html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes
mircea_popescu: lol you got weather sirens ?
BingoBoingo: This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.
bounce: it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.
mircea_popescu: they want money for it ?
moiety: i missed the 3d printing talk D:
punkman: "I kid you not that is what they said to me. I asked them if they thought I was on day release from a special needs school. They did not laugh."
punkman: "years ago when I visited the City Police anti-money laundering division in the City of London who told me with absolutely straight faces that despite London being the centre of international banking, not a single penny of laundered or drug money entered the City banks."
davout: how do i get the bid/ask?
BingoBoingo: Well the problem with ECDSA is each signature from a public/private keypair needs a quality random number or the private key is reasonably soluable. People last year who used Android bitcoin wallets lost bitcoin over this known problem.
antephialtic: I mean if we think the NSA is some all knowing crypto monster, what's to say they can't break SHA-256? They are the ones that invented it, after all
BingoBoingo: Address reuse is theoretically problematic, with a poor RNG it is completely fucked as the android wallet apps demonstrated
antephialtic: right now its a lot clunkier than using normal GPG signatures, but if the trezor becomes widespread, I could see people improving the tooling
antephialtic: nice thing about ecdsa sigs is you can extract the pubkey from the signature, hash it, then check that it matches the signing address
antephialtic: if they become popular, I could see people using signing addresses a lot more
BingoBoingo: I can't answer for him, but the use cases seem completely different
antephialtic: asciilifeform: do you worry that trezor's message signing capabilities might reduce demand for the cardano?
bounce: hope so. I'd like a keyboard without touchpad and with trackpoint. even so you get the usual crappy layout with too many and too small keys
punkman: that's a really weird design for the $2k option though
punkman: I think this is enough 3d printing talk for #b-a for the next few months
cads: anyways, time to hit the hay because I'm no longer coherent
punkman: I'd say factor of 2, if layer height is the same
cads: I dunno if the rate of goopy flow through a pipe at a given pressure grows like the square of the pipe diameter or no
punkman: you could make a 1mm extruder, then work on getting it to go fast
cads: I just want to pack more plastic per second in the part, lol
cads: I know that even with current extruders the initial and terminal ends of the extrusion may fail to bond properly with the extruders
cads: as each pore passes into a perimeter boundary it initiates an extrusion event, and as the pore leaves a permeter boundary it ends the extrusion event (and wipes clean on the permeter edge)
cads: punkman: this "wide array" extruder configuration would be ideal, if nothing else, for filling in swathes of infill
cads: it's hard to leverage that much ABS, and you certainly can't do it in that rapid side to side motion enjoyed by the objet tech
cads: yeah that's the big problem
cads: then if the plate clogs (too much), you stop the machine, cool off the plastic, unbolt the endplate retainer, snap the end plate off, then have a look at what's happening with your plastic
cads: rather, bolted onto a pipe carrying such a column
cads: actually, hey, make the extruder plate something like a actual thick plate that is bolted onto the end of a thick pressurized column of plastic
cads: not even the objet does it that way
cads: I'd like to see a printer where the extruder is actually an array of pores fed off of a high pressure hydraulic manifold, using some kind of high reliability high temperature electromechanical actuators
punkman: easier to set up a filament extruder, I think one of the DIY ones does acceptable quality by now
cads: our client has a stratasys in a europe office but it's tied up most of the time so what the america based vp of development was doing was to fly to the europe office. He'd get a call from some engineers that would ask him if he could arrange to be in europe on this date two weeks from now.
punkman: they also have a couple Stratasys printers with ABS filament, which seem to produce worse quality than a well-calibrated reprap
cads: yeah I imagine the big bottleneck with those machines is material cost
cads: I understand that the machines print with really great layer times - something like 10 seconds a layer. They print vertical resolution of 0.2, which is par with what I print
punkman: cads, there's an expensive one at the local uni, but material is expensive and they don't let people use it often
punkman: cads, I might set that up to generate the kind of leads you are looking for in a few months
cads: punkman: I don't remember if I answered your earlier question - thanks for the links
BingoBoingo: People have argued about the meaning of "is" since Plato and Aristotle. The meta angle has staying power.
BingoBoingo: Well, it is totally like meta. Sure there's a lot of altcoins, but then there's Altcoin.
BingoBoingo: It's being mined and traded... That's really all there is to it.
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Duffer1: remind me to read tomorrows log, I fear I may sleep through the great selloff
cazalla: heh it's not that i hate em but they talk about things that don't interest me
cazalla: not that i'm the pack leader but he is a bitch, skinny little thing, follows her around, he goes with her to visit her friends
cazalla: just a shame we don't have guns to hold down the fort here in australia
cads: dang, hormones, the ultimate argument
cazalla: "all they need is love"
cazalla: some will argue there is no difference between mum + dad versus single parent or gays
cazalla: she wanted him to have my surname, doesn't give 2 shits about the career she left behind and wants to remain a mum, thinks bubs does best with mum + dad around instead of single parent families being no different
cazalla: it is interesting to watch all the leftish bullshit go out the window since she fell pregnant and bubs was born
cazalla: it's not so much that she can't clean by my mother was OCD about cleaning so my wife will never be up to par