pLambert: Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.
mircea_popescu: so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.
mircea_popescu: you seen the play ?
mircea_popescu: the haggly political woman.
pLambert: macbeth is the prototype of what?
mircea_popescu: macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance
pLambert: right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics
pLambert: The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.
pLambert: no notepad, I just typed into the comment field
pLambert: hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?
mircea_popescu: you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.
antephialtic: yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda
mircea_popescu: then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.
mircea_popescu: theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate
mircea_popescu: so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016.
mircea_popescu: and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"
antephialtic: well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does
mircea_popescu: there, it's explained how it works..
antephialtic: hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.
pLambert: then why does it think i am inhuman?
mircea_popescu: pLambert there's no captcha tho
dignork: pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?
mircea_popescu: either an old cached page or too quick post ?
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bounce: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-payments-service-to-launch-this-month-9232906.html -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around
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Mats_cd03: riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing
mircea_popescu: well i could argue the same re chechen practice :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers
mircea_popescu: the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.
mircea_popescu: the us has this institution too
asciilifeform: or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place
mircea_popescu: except they're uneconomical and antimarket.
mircea_popescu: all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"
asciilifeform: every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars
asciilifeform: the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh:
mircea_popescu: which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)
Mats_cd03: in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence
mircea_popescu: the cleavage is pretty deep
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.
bounce: there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though
asciilifeform: in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell
bounce: am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.
mircea_popescu: that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.
mircea_popescu: all through the 1800s
mircea_popescu: congress. its the original backbone of pork
bounce: who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells
mircea_popescu: other people make that buck.
bounce: no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.
mircea_popescu: then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon".
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bounce: aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.
bounce: ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts
mircea_popescu: pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL
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Mats_cd03: the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction
bounce: nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws
Mats_cd03: you know, game theory, etc etc
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea
mircea_popescu: im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.
asciilifeform: where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge
Mats_cd03: that ill never be able to traverse the stars
asciilifeform: well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.
Mats_cd03: e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.
mircea_popescu: the people of wallmart thing
bounce: wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?
asciilifeform: i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.
mircea_popescu: on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.
bounce: to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.
asciilifeform: trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.
mircea_popescu: "my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"
nubbins`: st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son
asciilifeform: one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'
asciilifeform: i've been to four of these
mircea_popescu: i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.
asciilifeform: adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat
mircea_popescu: not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?
asciilifeform: ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.
asciilifeform: e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there
turbo_ac100: mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P
nubbins`: generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas
asciilifeform: it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.
mircea_popescu: someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"
mircea_popescu: "Kochanskis botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
nubbins`: mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store
nubbins`: booze in the grocery store
mircea_popescu: not being around at the time.
nubbins`: asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?
nubbins`: not sure, very popular in korea when i was there
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"
mircea_popescu: buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares
nubbins`: was always curious about the serrated edge
rithm: mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie
mircea_popescu: if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.
mircea_popescu: seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step
rithm: i'm counting down the days until zombies myself
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rithm: the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt
mircea_popescu: perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever
nubbins`: convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back
nubbins`: aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?
rithm: step one is buy the gulfstream
nubbins`: was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries
rithm: everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay
nubbins`: asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game
asciilifeform: the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ?
asciilifeform: is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then.
nubbins`: pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?
nubbins`: the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles
nubbins`: there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though
mike_c: does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.
asciilifeform: russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy'
asciilifeform: hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o.
nubbins`: the scattered one, yes
asciilifeform: i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.
mircea_popescu: there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.
asciilifeform: re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there'
asciilifeform: there it is.
asciilifeform: russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ?
asciilifeform: on the nato side,
nubbins`: well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales
mircea_popescu: "cardano, the missing manul" ?
mircea_popescu: even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away"
nubbins`: have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?
asciilifeform: and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1.
asciilifeform: i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes.
mircea_popescu: omfg i need another internet.
mircea_popescu: YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE IT S FAKE BY THE PIXELS
asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are i/o panels.
nubbins`: i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker
mircea_popescu: guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.
mircea_popescu: well here's the pic anyway : http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ (grep for ps)
nubbins`: i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question
asciilifeform: think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks)
mircea_popescu: i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead
mircea_popescu: it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young
Asa9: omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!
mircea_popescu: as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked
mircea_popescu: now they'll be forever remembered
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"
nubbins`: hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule
pankkake: oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from
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mircea_popescu: ah these wikis are so great.
ozbot: Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
nubbins`: http://www.theonion.com/articles/suburban-mom-wows-family-with-most-androgynous-loo,34397/
nubbins`: speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:
nubbins`: keep #2, throw out the rest
mircea_popescu: note the fucking tranny opening cartoon
nubbins`: i came across one of these a while ago: http://www.zwiggystradetokens.com/1983-st-johns-trade-token-gilbert-dollar-p-1219.html
nubbins`: "DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?
nubbins`: thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"
thestringpuller: http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/bitcoin/36-cities-in-20-states-abandon-the-dollar.php?iris=183550&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=cpm&utm_content=ko1&utm_campaign=bitcoin
Apocalyptic: just noticed the update, it's so good
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning
ThickAsThieves: ah the GOOG finally split
nubbins`: anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago
nubbins`: "Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"
pankkake: Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.
mircea_popescu: pankkake the not so distant future.
pankkake: wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the best america : http://www.thedailysheeple.com/venezuela-enforces-fingerprint-registry-to-buy-groceries-what-to-do-before-rationing-starts-in-america_042014
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
asciilifeform: 'the memory hole'
BingoBoingo: Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring
asciilifeform: nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened
nubbins`: always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings
nubbins`: there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out
nubbins`: one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans
nubbins`: but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order
BingoBoingo: If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"
nubbins`: well last time the customer just got a bunch of large
BingoBoingo: Buy small and call them fat?
jurov: and label them "pre-shrunk"
jurov: buy L and cook them?
nubbins`: hundreds of all other sizes in stock
nubbins`: but they're always sold out of MEDIUM
moiety: 3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol
BingoBoingo: Is that a volcano in the middle?
moiety: we has both :D thats the city
moiety: it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement
BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house
moiety: let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1125248520/manul_profile.png
antephialtic: "The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."
ozbot: News from The Associated Press
asciilifeform: 'they're eating it, why shouldn't we'
asciilifeform: nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls
BingoBoingo: Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to
ThickAsThieves: so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?