chatquack: REally though, Dan is fucked in the head.
chatquack: No missing link is another really good one
chatquack: ./nick big_as_the_swing_on_tiger_woods
cads: yes, it must not move you at all, neither north nor south, you must simply acknowledge - there goes a diety of the internet
chatquack: there it is
cads: If you can stare into the "eye" of the goatse man, you know you're a product of the deep internet.
chatquack strums the getar really hard.
chatquack: I'm pretty sure someone jeeps moving the keys on my keyboard.
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cazalla: i got the reciept from the atm but was like fuck it, i don't have the attention span for these games anymore
chatquack: oh wow. I was looking at the wrong channel think this was it.
mike_c: awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)
chatquack: There must be a protection method.
chatquack: No ISP can know what their clients will access anyway.
chatquack: oooo ooo ooo what about encapsalating (sic.) all the date and encripting it to a 3rd party?
chatquack: the whole "your responsiblility" issue
chatquack: there still could be hope as a rooftop point to point ISP
cads: neighbors are great but I think in this day of arcane (and restrictive) provider contracts, they're too reluctant to pool resources
cads: I can show you how to give your clients their own unique virtual SSID and password
cads: you can sometimes make provisional deals with wifi network owners in the area
chatquack: I think there is a sub $100 wifi-3g huuhaa in this state, not sure about coverage though.
cads: It's like game over till someone gives you some clean clothes so you can be allowed into a library
cads: I imagine the worst part about being homeless is that it's hard to keep up a decent bandwidth.
chatquack: Let's see where that qoute lives.....something about house payment or the car's.
chatquack: And also, make the least.
mircea_popescu: there must be something going around
chatquack: ooo I have not been there.
ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - Tripping Billies - YouTube
arizona: You aren't bothering me. Please procede.
chatquack: I know most of you don't know me, but you may just get to witness me go over the edge. I just but the live Dave Mathews album, "Rember Two Things" on.
chatquack: ~knock knock on the door, who's it for?~ BURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN
ozbot: Dave Matthews Band - What Would You Say - YouTube
chatquack: Oh shit. Dave Matthews band is playing.
chatquack: But my love for burning things to the ground is very strong.
chatquack: Thinking about just buring the place down, so I don't have to pack boxes.
chatquack: So, I've got to move out by the end of this month... I'm freaking out.
chatquack shakes the pizza greese off
chatquack: I know right?!? Gotta change the foil out.
chatquack: ~One of them is "fish"~
turbo_ac100: Cleaning your tin foil hat will get rid of the bad feelings fo shizzle!
chatquack: ~There are three things that smell like fish~
chatquack: Snookie does something or other.
chatquack: ~Well, go on and get it over with it then~
asciilifeform: so the early transistor, for a while, could not compete on price.
asciilifeform: this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass
gribble: Nuvistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvistor>; The Nuvistor - The Valve Page: <http://www.thevalvepage.com/valvetek/Nuvistor/nuvistor.htm>; Nuvistor: Parts & Tubes | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nuvistor>
bounce: different uni then though
bounce: I read they did that uhm 10+ years back already. difference here seemed to be they managed to make it a lot smaller again.
jurov: and cuz they are so small, don't actually need vacuum
jurov: that they etched vacuum-tube-like transistors in silicon
jurov: asciilifeform: you read the link i posted few days ago?
asciilifeform: 99% of the maths anybody uses now, too.
nubbins`: jurov they did it in outer space
jurov: how did they make hard vacuum in 1920s?
nubbins`: so i'm googling the name of a zine, i get "a whale" typed in, and autosuggest says "adopt a whale and kill it"
mircea_popescu: lol i accomplished all those, but hey. i guess im not the demo
mircea_popescu: Pillar Of The Community
mircea_popescu: I Am The One Percent
mgio_: it gets worse, try some of the investments and buy an asicminer
mircea_popescu: A Bear Called The End
mircea_popescu: lol i had like 50 btc out of the 1 i had originally made.
mircea_popescu: In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.
mgio_: its hilarious, play all the way through
nubbins`: fuck this, i'm getting drunk and listening to blood on the tracks
mircea_popescu: well there were a few silly people still posting there without trying to scam, but they';re quickly disappearing
mgio_: everyone who posts on the forums has some kind of hidden motivation
mgio_: so wiat, we are all just a bunch of scammers scamming each other?
mircea_popescu: well i didn't trilema each and every single one of them
mike_c: even still. with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.
dexx: cardano.. the gpg thingy which was scheduled for xmas 2013? <.<"
mike_c: exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.
jurov: i'm curious why the effects apply only on mining hardware
mircea_popescu: max keiser & stacy herbert were doing the same thing, which is a lot worse.
jurov: danielpbarron: because it's the same people
mircea_popescu: the practice is here : http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/
mircea_popescu: theory is here : http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/
mircea_popescu: mgio_ there is recourse re the miner stuff. just, you didn't bother reading about it.
pankkake: I will never stop otherwise
mircea_popescu: the way scammers work these days, they steal a little from a lot of muppets then give them a little of it back in exchange for forum shilling
mircea_popescu: "And the more you scam, the more fanboys you get - it's not that there is no incentive to be honest, it's that there is an incentive to be dishonest." methinks pankkake has it.
mircea_popescu: had you started reading here instead of derping on the "investor" forum you'd be a millionaire today.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops << ahahaha best log of the week today
Duffer1: are you part of the labcoin action mgio?
mgio_: I guess there is a slim chance i'll see some money from ukyo.loan...a slim chance neo&bee will get it's act together...
dexx: danielpbarron: these things and clever stuff is out since at least 2012
the20year2: We've already published our expense spreadsheet to investors, i'm curious how many other bitcoin companies do that too
the20year2: and that he was covering the exchange with his own personal coins
mgio_: they didn't
the20year2: I want to know why they had money in gox
mgio_: they must have been very mismanaged to suddenly run out of money without warning
mgio_: Neo & bee wasn't necessarily, but they aren't too very well right now
mgio_: im shocked that people still invest at all anymore. if you couldn't trust the exchange with your money (bitfunder) then how could you trust any of the securities it was peddling?
dexx: mgio_: i didn't expect it either
mgio_: They called back in November
dexx: nono.. i mean, do you have any idea why they choose you? and when was that?
mgio_: They called to talk about bitfunder and weexchange
the20year2: who was called by the SEC?
dexx: if i may ask: why did the sec call you?
mgio_: mining is not excatly a scam, but roughly 3/4s of the companies selling hardware have ben shown to not be reputable
dexx: what i meant was something like.. say there are 10 people each with 100 btc each.. all coins are sent to a 5-of-10 multisig address. with >= 50 % consensus a business decision is sealed. << for the sake of an example
dexx: maybe it would be more accurate to say "we need decentralized companies to end the scams"
dexx: well, decentralized exchanges reduce the risk of a scamming exchange, but that's all
nubbins`: imagine the unfiltered version
nubbins`: ^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir
Mats_cd03: its also the same thickness
nubbins`: Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?
Mats_cd03: my dong is the root of all evil
bounce: what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?
mircea_popescu: either that or lazy stupidity.
pankkake: maybe money is the root of all evil
mircea_popescu: what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world.
bounce: 'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company
gribble: .ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly>; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: <http://www.nic.ly/>; ly Domains - International Domain Registration: <http://www.101domain.com/ly.htm>
mircea_popescu: pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.
bounce: (relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)
pankkake: I don't think there's new stuff
mircea_popescu: did they updarte it ?
bounce: it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there
nubbins`: i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to steal.
mircea_popescu: no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"
jborkl: to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor
mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"
jborkl: mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree
mircea_popescu: nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.
pLambert: failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades
mircea_popescu: this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.
nubbins`: well you're making some assumptions there
mircea_popescu: since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.
pLambert: well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?
mircea_popescu: "mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"
pankkake: it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves
mircea_popescu: reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p
nubbins`: pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle
mircea_popescu: turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.
pankkake: yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet
nubbins`: bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes
pLambert: I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?
pLambert: I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?
nubbins`: pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side
benkay```: Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.
benkay```: Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014
pLambert: "Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?
mircea_popescu: ah the guy's so good.
mircea_popescu: "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
mircea_popescu: o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?
bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that
mircea_popescu: that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either.
mircea_popescu: but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?
pLambert: promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?
bounce: that deliberate then?
bounce: not too much on the promises made though
pLambert: bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants
mircea_popescu: the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.
mircea_popescu: not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.
mircea_popescu: recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.
bounce: "coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml
mircea_popescu: You cant stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, its tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.
ozbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago
Namworld: Soon they'll ask for blood samples.
Namworld: I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.
asciilifeform: the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect.
asciilifeform: the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler'
asciilifeform: feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer'
mircea_popescu: i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here
Urushiol: I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.
Urushiol: and take their projected expenses as assumptions
Urushiol: mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.
pLambert: asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?
mike_c: bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!
mircea_popescu: ;;google are you the brain specialist
Urushiol: mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API
mircea_popescu: "how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"
pLambert: so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands
asciilifeform: mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident.
pLambert: his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action
mircea_popescu: pLambert not the guy. his wife.
mike_c: asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?
pLambert: wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea
mircea_popescu: yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O
pLambert: iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end
bounce: what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?
pLambert: I remember the general plot
mircea_popescu: well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/