khersonus: mike_c: not really. I'd like there to be a way/market to profit from the BTC/USD price movement, in bitcoin, without there being a possibility of the marketmaker/house going bust, and without the house needing to take the opposite side of a position
mircea_popescu: anyway, the above stands except for some blockwitholding attacks, so for instance an empty block isn't advisably acceptable.
CheckDavid: There is some guy called pop mircea constantly spamming Facebook btc groups lol
mircea_popescu: you're not the only one khersonus :)
pLambert: I was just thinking, for gpg timestamp authenticity, you could add the last few bitcoin block hashes from the blockchain to your message?
khersonus: I'm working on something I think you might find interesting, MP, but it will require a few more months of me working on it (just in case I find some hole I overlooked in the implementation that I didn't think of in the planning stages)
mircea_popescu: ie, the bitcoin address signature protocol is good enough to support it.
mircea_popescu: provided it can be done in the first place.
mircea_popescu: now, the problem of making a bot / extending one already present is not worth the mention
mircea_popescu: change for the sake of change is like...
khersonus: I've seen the MPEX messaging thing with pastebin websites, pretty cool, but, it's not ;;sig
pLambert: .. then you gotta hit it harder?
mircea_popescu: a contender can't expect me to simply invest in the infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: i don't need/want one for gpg personally. because i already have the infrastructure in place to do that for me.
mircea_popescu: khersonus what do you mean you haven't seen it used before ? gpg altogether or specifically a bot ?
mircea_popescu: but it's there
mircea_popescu: it's declaratory (in the sense that the signer can set it to any arbitrary value he wants)
pLambert: gpg sig includes the date?
khersonus: so, bitcoin sig needs: btc address, message, signature. GPG needs: public key, message, signature. About the same, right?
mircea_popescu: i've hired the something awful experts that made beeboopity to do it.
pLambert: wouldn't neeobee acquisition have to go in April? or has he been working behind the scenes this whole time ;)
mike_c: pLambert: he's just finishing up the neobee acquisition before releasing the march report :)
pLambert: what is this, monthly reports? pfht, you should tell us they will be ready in two weeks
mircea_popescu: we've never got to the security of it. it's badly implemented as in, let me find the discussion.
khersonus: have any of you seen the "sign message" feature of bitcoin used for a service in the wild?
mircea_popescu: khersonus i tend to walk a lot. i like european-style towns, where most everything is designed for the pedestrian.
khersonus: do you walk 10 miles for the purpose of getting somewhere, or just for exercise?
mircea_popescu: i walk a good 10 miles a day, but i wouldn't bother trying to run50
nubbins`: by dying on the road
mircea_popescu: guy;s so far the most respectable of the whole bunch. provided he actually does die.
mircea_popescu: he should die a bloody painful death so the rest of redit observes directly that no, you can't do anything "you set your mind to".
nubbins`: literally, he will cripple himself before the first 10k is up
mircea_popescu: well, are there going to be a fifty girls following him a mile each with cattle prods and clear orders to cattle prod him without respite unless he runs?
nubbins`: i can't even express the amount of fail on display here
mircea_popescu: "oligarchical reptiles who are destroying Western Civilization" check the guy out.
ozbot: Michael Lewis: shilling for the buyside | Locklin on science
nubbins`: been getting all these emails saying my orders are on hold ;(
ThickAsThieves: is that really the quote?
mircea_popescu: because he's on the board of directors see.
mircea_popescu: Following those posts on the forum, I received direct threats targeted directly at my daughter"
mircea_popescu: lol. let all the spamscripts in but none of reddit ?
nubbins`: pick the correct one and gain access
mircea_popescu: nubbins` there was some derp at some point going for about 200 words pretending like he's a bigshot
nubbins`: the snake one is, yes
mircea_popescu: "also, my butt inexplicably hurts. INEXPLICABLY I SAY! and has nothing to do with the head sitting atop it."
mircea_popescu: of the time (purely by virtue of the universe's mechanisms; that's not a personal slight)."
mircea_popescu: "I'm new here, for what it's worth, but your ability to offend and act like an idiot is apparent. You have no friggin' idea why I invested in Neo & Bee. Really. You are illogical. Your statement's so far have been illogical (due to incomplete information) and you act like they're logical without even beginning to take a wise or mature stance on the issue by way of accepting you don't know what you're talking about most
mircea_popescu: such self loathing, self consuming nonsense, this western world of the muppetsd.
nubbins`: and had myself another lel.
nubbins`: man, i just came across my ebay tab, opened to the "mining contracts" category
mircea_popescu: plambert should write the manual on "how to create a 20 page thread in a day"
mircea_popescu: they look more like two plumbers.
nubbins`: they are too, so it's a nice fit
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i srsly considered adding big fat penises to the poster
ozbot: The Story of Mel
chetty: all coders maybe created equal, don't mean they gotta stay that way
mircea_popescu: punkman there's at least 100 of these things. basically "market forecasting" is the 2014 version of the million dollar webpage.
artifexd: I suppose part of the question is "fungible to who?" While I may be fungible at my day job. I'm certainly not fungible to my daughter. I am probably not fungible to my wife. I am, without a doubt, fungible in #bitcoin-assets.
artifexd: I guess I shall spend the weekend doing some soul-searching on whether being "fungible" is acceptable to me. I suspect the answer will be "no".
artifexd: The thing is, I'm happy programming. I enjoy it. It fills me with a sense of accomplishment. In my day job, it fills me with a sense of importance and value. And yet...
mike_c: the press gets it right for once
punkman: kakobrekla: I can write a script that turns them into dokuwiki format
punkman1: I've been hoarding these notes, might be useful for #b-a wiki: https://bitbucket.org/abfg/gildedtxt/src/feb5f32dc0523c2717f5b3b05e2f35a5ec22ce6c/exchanges/
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj: I am not holding any shares thank god, but I feel sorry for those who do << you also feel cheeky towards your intellectual superiors, and maintain the delusion that your head works. this is much worse than having held shares in the scam du jour.
mircea_popescu: pankkake:resigned because twitards got upset? what a faggot << this, pretty much. your skin's that thin, you have no business there.
mircea_popescu: zacm: blowback. that's why the us libtards better hope the tea party prevails in the republican party, because if it doesn't, what will replace it they have not seen in their worst nightmares << this is actually correct, or at least i think the same. if teaparty doesn't take over by a large margin, by 2020ish there will be summary executions on the grounds of "being now or having ever been a social justice warrior".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I dunno that there is anything easier to fake for a profit than "mining" contracts <<< actually, it's a direct translation of the EVE "protection contract". ask diametric he knows how that works :D
TomServo: it's just the middle one i think :P
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, nobody shoots a politician. why ? well... he has enough sense not to hang out with the fuckwits.
mircea_popescu: this is how thousands of policemen get shot each year, notwithstanding they're just lowly blue collar workers indistinguishable from the criminals shooting them in most respects.
mircea_popescu: ahaha these idiots are epic. so mpoe-pr left bitcointalk, and no longer being visible is no longer teh evil mastermind. ThickAsThieves is still around, and so therefore he's it.
pankkake: it's a scam from the start, it's never going to be profitable for investors and they damn well know it
VanCleef: sfi will be the next scam to fall apart
skinnkavaj: Worst of all it gives bitcoin a bad reputation in Cyprus, when NEOBEE was supposed to be the opposite
skinnkavaj: So sad that NEOBEE turned out to be a scam/theif like most of all here.
Apocalyptic: why the fuck is that is my last bouro news feed
zacm: "I didn’t think I’d have to get personal, but he is trying to lie and deceive the British people and after 40 years we have had enough."
zacm: In a heated and confrontational televised debate the leader of the UK Independence Party warned that extremists would resort to “violence” unless the European Union “ends democratically”.
zacm: Nigel Farage accused Nick Clegg of “wilfully lying to the British people” and warned that the European project could end in bloodshed during the pair’s second debate on Wednesday night.
zacm: how hard is it to get a Yes/No from a govt agency? why so much uncertainty? traders must love it though. https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2266js/btc_china_issues_statement_they_received_no/
cazalla: day of the rope?
zacm: blowback. that's why the us libtards better hope the tea party prevails in the republican party, because if it doesn't, what will replace it they have not seen in their worst nightmares
zacm: <cazalla> i wasn't even that far right until the leftist idiots kept pushing this white privilege bullshit LOL
cazalla: what's that in the background, free photography?
cazalla: buyers are probably thinking the same thing with chargebacks via paypal
BingoBoingo: I dunno that there is anything easier to fake for a profit than "mining" contracts
punkman: hmm maybe I should get one of these guys to mine some ATC for me
BingoBoingo: And this is the reason why society needs institutions that beat people down
cazalla: i wasn't even that far right until the leftist idiots kept pushing this white privilege bullshit
cazalla: a lot of em are young, they'll grow out of it
BingoBoingo: The forum is kind of self selecting.
chetty: cazalla, like the forum?
cazalla: I don't think it has anything to do with culture but more so a genetic basis for their lack of culture and chimpish behaviour
BingoBoingo: Sure for a brief time in history being in Detroit may have been excusable as they presented industry as a surrogate for culture.
cazalla: Poor prick did the right thing and now he'll probably die
cazalla: but even as someone who has never been to detroit, i know you don't get out the car if you run a youth down
cazalla: i don't know why she permitted all this immigration throughout the commonwealth
BingoBoingo: As a 'Murican I feel much safer on trips to East Saint Louis than I do to either North St Louis or Gretchen Wilson's hometown of Pocahontas Illinois
cazalla: bend the knee
chetty: meh its not skin color, its culture (or lack thereof)
BingoBoingo: When's the last time someone who wasn't a Abbo went on a crime spree in Australasia
cazalla: nubbins` you would know then that black on white crime is much larger than white on black
nubbins`: i don't have the stats in front of me, but probably like a week ago
cazalla: whens the last time a bunch of white people put a black person into a coma because he bumped a white kid who was too stupid not to play in traffic
BingoBoingo: Oh, just now most of them are black
cazalla: i guess that explains why these mob attackers are always black
BingoBoingo: Eminen could have been driving through the neighborhood where all of the brain surgeons live
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nubbins`: i much prefer to torture myself trying to produce perfect floods. even the noise on the yellow is a bit out of character for me
BingoBoingo: I hear that color really pops for the red-green colorblind crowd
BingoBoingo: I think if I did a junkyard wars laptop of my own, tyvek would be the wrap of choice
nubbins`: anyway i gotta get these films printed and burn some screens
nubbins`: y'know, i've toyed with the idea of doing posters on tyvek
nubbins`: we do a lotta work for these guys... they got in touch TODAY asking if we could do 40 shirts and 30 posters for sat night
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
BingoBoingo: The way this winter's been with the Jetstream acting up I wouldn't be too surprised if we got a derechero
BingoBoingo: More the Jefferson expansion than anything else
BingoBoingo: Well it has the arch
MisterE: across the river?
MisterE: thats where the L&C arch is right?
BingoBoingo: Beither went this far east yet
MisterE: shit gets reak there sometimes
MisterE: BingoBoingo: you in the alley?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
SatoshiJack: TAT --- right now we are focused on game play/engine --- The front page is not set in stone by any means --- but check out the chats and the sit at a table -- register an account -- and play.
ozbot: Testosterone Pit - Home - Turns Out, Even The Price of Beer Is Rigged
chetty: http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/4/3/turns-out-even-the-price-of-beer-is-rigged.html
CheckDavid: Actually the last one posted in this chat room
CheckDavid: The last one you posted
ThickAsThieves: cant go dicking around in the matter
ThickAsThieves: they dont know whats what
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo, best not to encourage them
ThickAsThieves: so there's that
ThickAsThieves: i had to use one today cuz the GPU in my wife's pc died
mircea_popescu: ah yes ok then :p
ThickAsThieves: there's a channel btw #altcoin
SatoshiJack: I'm ranked #1 on the pool :(
SatoshiJack: and I just pointed a miner over to the alt pool...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
SatoshiJack: TAT--we've delt biz in the past --I'll PM you my personal email....sometime....I've used your services before.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: dude he's trolling them
mircea_popescu: these people are braindamaged srsly.
ThickAsThieves: "MP sent TAT in as a sleeper agent from the beginning. Just waiting for the rest of his troll army to get the forums all riled up, and then use their combined mind control with TAT's relationship with Danny to make all the coins disappear."
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Because they dunno how to move
ozbot: Matt Adams Shoves Fan After Diving For Foul Ball; Fan Flips The Bird
ThickAsThieves: so the forum says i'm in cahoots with you now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete the cpi is in fact in question. http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonder-of-inflation/
kakobrekla: logs sitemap submitted to big brother. perhaps it will make search work better.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "measuring GDP is more a function of measuring what they can measure rather than whats worth measuring" haha, this is like your first article i actually like. braver.
BingoBoingo: So... more tornados on the way
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tg2 understands given the propency for idiots
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "benkay" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
SatoshiJack: I don't need to be there yet....
mircea_popescu: scrap the address list check balances
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
antephialtic: ;;later tell kakobrekla cool, if all the info is public I'll probably do it this weekend. will PM you for details tomorrow.
antephialtic: well, I know all the basic stuff to look out for like SQL injection, XSRF, XSS, etc, but I haven't actually audited someone elses code before
kakobrekla: you dont actually need to code the 'no' part.
antephialtic: ah, I thought you meant security audit. I'm probably not the best choice for that type of work
kakobrekla: i think someone mentioned doing a bitbet audit. thats free for the grabs
kakobrekla: anyway, as mp mentioned a day or two ago, these ideas on what to code to boost your wot come across -assets ~weekly.
antephialtic: kakobrekla: yep, seems better than the whole "borrow btc for 1 week and repay"
gribble: (gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
gribble: (gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
kakobrekla: well then revisit that question
kakobrekla: are you sure you are on the right chan?
ozbot: King Crimson - I Talk To The Wind (HQ) - YouTube
pankkake: no idea I don't even understand any of the statements
mgio_: do you think they will allow trading for neobee again soon?
chatquack: Well, either wait it out or start screaming 'gox'.
pankkake: true. it's the bluring of Shutter, I don't know how well it's done
thestringpuller: don't worry about the changes in price?
chatquack: BOA and whatnot should jump on board. but fuuuuck the quick changes in price. dunno what to do about them.
chatquack: I see BTC tx's from big bank to another as a cost saver.
chatquack: let's give it to them
chatquack: hm. countries like their taxes.
thestringpuller: if it's inefficient there will likely be a more "efficient" trade somewhere else in that market
dexx: chatquack: the underlying problem: the atm owner acts as escrow between user and exchange and this is appearingly the part is an act of a money transmission
chatquack turns up the music a bit more.
chatquack: artifexd, ya. the atm itself chooses the prices and displays it to you before you hit, "confirm".
chatquack: Oh wow. This Dan Bern album is still playing. Talking about how his car doesn't pick up the mexican stations. Wow. I love. ~Live'n in diferent worlds, right beside eachother.~
artifexd: That would make it sound like, to me, that two-way atms are not money transmitters. I put USD in. I get btc out sold by the operator. I put BTC in. I get USD out sold by the operator.
chatquack: Somewhere in it's dump hardware would live the current blockchain.
chatquack: I didn't even drive over there and look at it.
chatquack: rather than lookin at bitcoinaveragedotderp or something?
chatquack: so, someone (one individual or party) gets to name the price?
artifexd: Apparently not. They only care about how "soverign currency" is handled as per the following quote from near the bottom of page 3:
chatquack: altho, I don't know what the diff between money and currency is...
thestringpuller: watch them try to label buying alpaca socks in exchange for cryptocurrency is money transmission
chatquack: currency, it may be money transmission depending on how the sovereign currency is handled. A
chatquack: Consequently, absent the involvement of sovereign currency in a transaction, no money
chatquack: FTA "Because cryptocurrency is not money under the Money Services Act, receiving it in exchange for
artifexd: "Exchanging virtual currency for sovereign currency is not currency exchange under the Texas
BCB: Regulatory Treatment of Virtual Currencies Under the Texas Money Services Act
BCB: chatquack, bitcoin analysis from the state of texas
chatquack: ~We are the genetic mutation~
chatquack: ~There's no missing link~
chatquack: ~There's no missing link~
BCB: did anyone see the texas guidance today
chatquack: I could roll over them for days!
chatquack: http://animexpansion.com/forums/uploads/1344932425/med_gallery_1_645_122090.png mmmm I could love both of them!
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