thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what is the ad space cost on bitbet?
cads: and fool myself that the author really means something
cads: but that's because I tend to fill in the details with the actual real work I've read dealing with the terms
cads: another area I could improve on is being taken in by heavy use of jargon
cads: not a bad thing if I happen to also take measures to increase the effective bandwidth of the text I read
jborkl: Now we know how msft hacks, just leave the password blank
cads: mircea_popescu: I've always been a heavy reader, it's honest to goodness just the switching social contexts that do it
cazalla: i believe the summly kid is from australia
cads: I think I'm naturally half dyslexic and half autistic because I can't read fast, especially when you throw social contexts into the mix and especially when there are multiple speakers
cads: huh, I need to look into algorithmically summarizing the log file
bloctoc: thanks! now I can phone in my reports to the viceroy
cads: As a fifth tier entrepreneur, I have decided to rewire my mushy brain with the classic modes of thought!
cads: The philosopher?
mircea_popescu: then we can halp you.
benkay: ANATHEMA
BingoBoingo: [KS]: Understanding the difference between usagi and dank is critical for classing other scams
mircea_popescu: our due dilligence, loving the tangibility of newbie assets.
kakobrekla: >The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE's assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been "under-banked."
benkay: odd thing is that other people are now letting me hear about where else my blatherings are popping up o.O
benkay: had to wait for some other twuser to let me know
benkay: hey mircea_popescu thanks for the front page tweet
mike_c: looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price. another win for havelock.
bounce: eh, I made a boo-boo in the upper band. missing some 400k-odd, so 400k-800k. lemme check the numbers again.
bounce: looking at their membership page and the dues listed --in usd but payable in "bitcoin index", taking usd for reference here, and taking the yearlies for just one year-- I'm calculating a band of 405925 to 440225 USD-worth lower bound actually paid
mircea_popescu: and the rest is open to debate.
bounce: what's the speshul extra spendy memberships cost again?
mircea_popescu: they got some donations originally, when btc was cheap.
bounce: treacherous use of "official" there
bounce: ``The Bitcoin Foundation is basically the official establishment of a loose collection of technology geeks, businessmen, and big-government skeptics from around the world. The 18-month-old group has thousands of members, plus roughly $3 million in dues and donations contributed in bitcoins.''
mircea_popescu: ah then that's cool.
bounce briefly wonders if there'd be legitimate purposes for a "bitcoin foundation", and what sort of people you'd want in there, then.
bounce: too bad journos are suckers for that sort of crap. and apparently there's good dues revenue in it too. nice racket.
mike_c: yeah. but since then it has largely tracked expected returns
mike_c: it is heavily skewed by nakowa, the huge lucky bettor.
mircea_popescu: sdice showed the exact same hump pattern over its lifetime
bounce: ``Two other exchanges hit by the same problem, Bitstamp Ltd. of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria, resumed normal trading after working out a fix with software coders coordinated by the Bitcoin Foundation.'' (wsj) -- I don't recall the bitcoin foundation having much to do with it. case of inserting yourself for marketeering purposes?
cazalla: i thought dooglus would've run with the coins by now
mike_c: thx. hopefully not a good btc investment headed for the crapper.
mike_c: February was JD's lowest ever monthly wagered volume. Until March when it dropped another 40%.
matthew_boyd: Haha, oh well, it's only a game, then again. :)
cazalla: lol not really, i was a shitkunt but i don't have the time to dedicate to it
cazalla: mcquad is making yet another mmorpg, funded this time by kickstarter, i'm sure it will end just like vanguard though
mircea_popescu: i didn't like either.
mircea_popescu: i actually paid them for 6 months.
cazalla: same deal with swtor, interesting how they both went f2p
mircea_popescu: (the marketplace is shared tho)
cazalla: surely there are only 5 people left playing rift? :P
khersonus: so, btc is not the only "game currency" you have found success in
mircea_popescu: i'd guess there's between 10 and 20ish people working 40 hour weeks at feeding my vast industrial complex with raw materials.
mircea_popescu: so i'm the largest crafter in rift by such a wide margin that the next two people are smaller than me combined :D
truffles: well i agree its tough to shake off the religious stuff
jurov: all the time
truffles: seems a thing they do..
bounce: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/03/hey-parents-leave-those-kids-alone/358631/
jurov: they are really deeply ingrained. both catholicism and homosexuality
truffles: jurov atheist?
cmyers: "But george lucas PRODUCED the technical manual, he is biased, lolz"
cmyers: "Everyone knows the death star would *totally* destroy the enterprise because the technical manual says so!"
stompysteve: lol whoever got those 10k shares at .000000000000001 is gonna have some fun with neobee over the next lil while
mircea_popescu: how many trades were collated into the line
psterryl: how many individual trades there were
mircea_popescu: who sold all these idiots on "community" ?
mircea_popescu: "I believe the community demand is great enough to carry this idea onward, and I look forward to their success."
Shakespeare: "The company recently put up a page for "Amazon Dash," a shopping accessory"
Shakespeare: the rumors of his death were exaggerated
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare didn't they kick matonis out at some point because he wanted to be on the press contacts list or something ?
Shakespeare: "Finally, I’ve asked Jon Matonis to update you on the details of operations and finances of the Foundation. Expect that soon."
locksmith: it's ok just dropped the link on reddit myself
Shakespeare: share the words!
Shakespeare: "They’ve risen to the challenge, and have as a first response opened up read access to our member forums to the public. "
Shakespeare: '’ve put forward a challenge to the team: “Say a lot more.”'
Shakespeare: the Bitcoin Fundnation says "we’ve been lazy and undisciplined about getting updates written in the face of so much possible content. Jon Matonis is tackling this"
mrstickball: so how do you guys see the future of coin-based assets?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha cazalla drop them a link to teh http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/
[KS]: BingoBoingo: looks the same to me.
cazalla: locksmith: likely these types of people think it's a good time to do some dollar cost averaging http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/227tng/why_im_holding_onto_neobee/
Shakespeare: "In sum, over the past 6 years, our audit work has uncovered significant contract file
locksmith: I need to know what these people are buying if not thin air. neobee/danny do not have any BTC left
jborkl: Who was it in bitcoin GLBSE that came up with a. holds b. and b holbs c. and c. holds a. and b. so there is no risk
[KS]: NEOBEEQ doesn't exist. If you had NEOBEE shares, Haelock has stolen them from you and turned them into HavelockCOins, a Goxcoin derivative.
BingoBoingo: NeoBeeQ seems to be some sort of derivative of the now non-existent NeoBee of a like not seen since pirate debt was securitized
[KS]: The Fund will now be designated as NEOBEEQ to reflect the uncertainty of the future of LMB Holdings – NEO BEE Ltd. Financial information on the status of the company has not been released. The units of this Fund will continue to trade even if the company will file for bankruptcy. We will continue to update you if any information is provided to us.
[KS]: On March 28, 2014 Havelock Investments halted trading of the NEOBEE Fund; Havelock Investments has yet to receive any formal information in regards to the questionable trading activity on the LMB share platform website. We have not received any formal information on the current situation at LMB Holdings. Due to those factors we have decided that the unit holders on the NEOBEE Fund should no longer be suspended from trading their units.
BingoBoingo: Havelock buying all of the shares to get legal standing to sue?
stompysteve: its also odd they didnt give like 24 hour notice or anything
mircea_popescu: it'd stabd to reason it was also relisted in the same manner.
kakobrekla: price got so low it was hard to reach the 0.1 btc sum trading vol per minute to post out trades here so we missed the 'action'
BingoBoingo: So... What does NeoBBQ mean for the NeoBee BitBet
mike_c: buy side is picking up cheap lotto tickets. sell side doesn't want to have to see those shares on their balance sheet anymore.
jurov: *other
jurov: I, as the arm of Holy Church, hereby promulgate holy writings of L.Ron Hubbard as True Word of God
BingoBoingo: The last words of Jesus were "Fuck you" before he stumbled in front of a Tractor Trailer on I-70 outside Fairmont City
mircea_popescu: well that was fun but time for the ignores.
mike_c: do not question the tupperware
Mats_cd03: was there anything in it
mike_c: the true word of God was handed down to Joseph Smith on some golden tupperware in 1822
Luke-Jr: the Bible is one of many written promulgations of the Church, in its course of doing its duty to teach the world
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: Catholicism is based on Christ's teachings, not the Bible. the Church is also not "in Europe", but universal.
Luke-Jr: jurov: danielpbarron is absolutely right to demand miracles to testify to shepherds who cannot trace their authority to the Apostles
jurov: danielpbarron: Matthew 4,1-11
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: anyhow, to finish off with this page: Catholicism *does* condemn homosexuals and muslims; even the Apotles baptised infants, as is necessary for their salvation; Christ's grace *is* sufficient to completely cleanse us of sin, but only if we make good use of it - otherwise we will need purgatory to deal with what we have been unwilling to change about our evilness
jurov: danielpbarron requesting miracles shows tongue of the Evil
jborkl: They have a Latin Pope now, what about that ???
locksmith: hmm so have the people trading read any news lately?
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no, nor is there a real distinction
mircea_popescu: holy shit these exist.
jurov: they'e distinc things
Luke-Jr: mike_c: it's like the act of killing yourself, you cease to be alive
mircea_popescu: there's a difference.
Luke-Jr: mike_c: the act of denying doctrine, is in itself, one by which you have left
JWU42: that was enough for another 6 momnths
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: any teaching of the Church (on matters of faith or moralS)
mike_c: i'm not leaving! you can't make me either. sorry, you're stuck with me.
Luke-Jr: mike_c: there is no need for excommunication
jurov: danielpbarron: the catechism
locksmith: I was baptized orthodox, anyone else here ortho?? join the cool club we're the men in black
Luke-Jr: mike_c: to be Catholic, you need to believe everything the Church teaches, by definition
mike_c: the church says it
Luke-Jr: jurov: furthermore, someone who believes that unbaptised babies *don't* go to Hell, is not a Catholic
jurov: ^ in other words.
mike_c: "Baptism does not exist to wipe away the "stain" of original sin, but to initiate one into the Church,"
jborkl: They are thinking about it
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: if you don't make amends, it's questionable whether you were serious about repentence, at least.
mircea_popescu: do demons have buttsex with dead babies then ?
jurov: mike_c: you were probably bapized as adult. they are allowed to tell adults lies such as this to get them into the church
Luke-Jr: mike_c: your "god" is a demon then
mike_c: no, they don't. god told me
Luke-Jr: mike_c: yes they do
JWU42: so basically I am in deep sh*t then Luke-Jr ;)
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: by sinning, we offend God and ought to make amends; whether one is damned is based solely on his being on good terms with God (ie, not in a state of mortal sin)
JWU42: I am sure there is more than enough to keep me busy
mircea_popescu: or however you spell these things
JWU42: I ahve been away from this for so long I missed the whole weex graet.load neo.bee crap
mircea_popescu: i wanted the old price.
locksmith: anyhooo people, for those thinking of buying, danny is with his trollface selling on the other side of the screen
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: not of themselves, no
Luke-Jr: the saints are not worshipped as gods
Luke-Jr: idolatry: the worship of a picture or object as a god
locksmith: cazalla thanks for the heads up
Duffer1: saying it's not idolatry does not negate the fact that it's idolatry
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: keep in mind that the Catholic Church *produced* the Bible. so if you question the Church, there is no basis to accept its product either
cazalla: locksmith: lurk more, it was funny if you understand the context
Duffer1: saints not adored?! are you smoking crack, there's a thriving market for silver/gold trinkets of the various saints
Luke-Jr: Prayer is a form of worship. <-- but not all worship is reserved for God. this is where English-age heretics try to abuse the language
locksmith: I actually know the people at neo
Duffer1: i skimmed the logs but have been unable to determine what precipitated this asinine conversation
Luke-Jr: Catholicism is further entrenched in idolatry in the veneration of the saints. <-- the saints are not adored; there is no idolatry here either; furthermore, one cannot worship a saint without also worshipping God at the same time, since the saint's virtue all comes from God
jurov: Oh yes, Loving God Father, in His infinite wisdom, created humanity and then condemned most of it to eternal suffering.
Luke-Jr: moiety: of course, marriage is still always to someone of the opposite sex. so it doesn't necessarily make sense that a gay person *would* marry.
Luke-Jr: Scripture nowhere says what the Catholics teach. Nowhere does the Word of God say anything about the bread (or wine) becoming anything. <-- nor is Scripture the authority; however, it DOES document Christ saying that we MUST eat His Flesh to be saved
mircea_popescu: which is the int'l sign for butttears.
nubbins`: transubstantiation, as if you needed another reason to lel
nubbins`: he's got ya there, the wafer and wine is supposed to be jesus' flesh and blood in another form
Luke-Jr: moiety: even heathen can contract a natural marriage
Luke-Jr: As should be seen from the above, the wafer and the wine is the Catholic Jesus. And this Catholic Jesus (a piece of bread and some wine) is worshipped. This is idolatry. <-- worshipping God Himself is not idolatry.
Luke-Jr: moiety: gay people are condemned to Hell unless they repent
Luke-Jr: Scripture nowhere teaches any such sacraments necessary for salvation. <-- Scripture does not teach; Christ appointed the Church to do that. Furthermore, Scripture *does* record Christ Himself mandating Baptism.
mike_c: plus Jesus himself explicitly founded the catholic church with Peter as pope, so there's that.
Luke-Jr: They deem Muslims as having salvation <-- this is not true
Luke-Jr: obviously he was not condemning the Church he was a bishop of
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: furthermore, the Church's laws about abstinence from meat on certain days, goes back to the Apostles; they were already in place and Timothy practiced them himself
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Eneratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage, and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the church of God, so far from condemning marriage, holds it a holy sacrament; and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any
Luke-Jr: In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of "priests" it states: <-- 1) there is no such approved catechism; 2) note the *context of priests*
Luke-Jr: the heretical sects Timothy was writing about, forbade marriage *completely*, etc
Luke-Jr: what this webpage wants you to beleive they mean
Luke-Jr: In this text that describes those who have departed from the faith and given heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, there are only two teachings given ("forbidding to marry" and "to abstain from foods") by which to identify the ones to whom this text applies. The Roman Catholic Church practices both identifying marks. <-- these two evils are named because they were already being taught by heretical sects; but they do not mean
Luke-Jr: the Catholic is nonetheless following a "stranger" (i.e. Catholicism) and not Christ <-- Catholicism is Christ
Luke-Jr: On the inside dust jacket of Pope John Paul's book, Crossing The Threshold Of Hope (copyright 1994, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York), the Pope's message is, "Be not afraid!" <-- there was never any "Pope John Paul" in the Catholic Church
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: this page is of the devil, full of lies
nubbins`: "using a 5lb sledge is the only true way to smash your dick"
nubbins`: THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no, Catholicism is the only true religion
moiety: pankkake: they are really cheap
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mircea_popescu: how the fuck do they reason to come to the conclusion preventing teen pregnancy is a worthwhile thing to do
mircea_popescu: "Then we came across a quote by [CEO] Sarah Brown at the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy and she speculated that this show was having an effect."
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: check the logs eh?
mircea_popescu: that's why you check the logs :)
grahvity|desktop: didn't know whether I was being helpful or not
mircea_popescu: grahvity|desktop check the logs eh ?
nubbins`: "You can go fuck yourself for the 2 BTC gift you gave me"
Namworld: At a bare minimum, 20k. 40k is really an upper bound depending on how much his "occasional" means for going to the gym.
Namworld: If I could walk 10km with a large charge on my back in ~3hours I'm sure someone in uni can sprint 20-40k during the event. How long does it even last?
mike_c: 30 minutes to the opening bell
Namworld: I didn't say he'd walk them. Although he'd probably wouldn't be able to run very fast either.
nubbins`: he'd be out there for like 10 hours
Namworld: But you know, a schoolbag fitted with so much you have to hammer the last books in and it looks like a stretched block afterward.
Namworld: Eh, not sure. A few large manuals, binders of notes, etc. It wasn't a full locker, I think I had emptied some of it another day. The whole wouldn't have fitted in the bag.
thestringpuller: how much did the stuff weigh that was in your locker?
Namworld: That guy says he goes to the gym unregularly and he's in uni it seems? I'm really not sporty on the other end.
Namworld: Now that time my legs felt dead and I was walking at a crawl by the end.
Namworld: home to drink and read and cool of with the AC..
Namworld: idk, I could randomly go and walk 8-10k at a fast pace when I was a kid. About 15 min per kilometer. Except that time at the end of the school year. Year was officially over but everyone was hanging around waiting for buses. I packed all my locker in my bag and just left on foot. Walked 10 kilometers on foot in like 30C temp on a sunny afternoon and stopped at the library about 1k before
Namworld: I give him 20-40k in with slowing down/breaks by the time it ends.
nubbins`: either way, we can both agree that doing a double marathon cold is an incredibly stupid idea
nubbins`: well why don't you just take ALL the wind outta my sails
nubbins`: go pick someone out of a crowd and tell them to run 10k, then ask them how their legs and feet feel afterward
Namworld: But the average human can certainly sustain more than 10k before running out of energy.
Namworld: [11:53] <nubbins`> literally, he will cripple himself before the first 10k is up
mike_c: pls stop setting the bar so high.
ThickAsThieves: the site has gotten very boggy
pLambert: anybody want to bet on how soon after 5:00 Havelock goes ofline from the high load?
pankkake: or havelol will not be able to handle the load
pLambert: hmm, I think that is one extra 0, but you get the idea