mircea_popescu: from the fucktarded "advertisments" on zero hedge :
mircea_popescu: last banker up turn off the lights.
asciilifeform: this promises to end like that folk tale - the executioner is ordered to chop his own head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bodies getting bigger...
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean he despises the beasts nao.
kakobrekla: theres several issues here
benkay: "20 startups make their pitch. The crowd makes its choices. The top 10 startups receive equal funding."
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nubbins`: noted. it looks the way it looks on purpose :D
nubbins`: THANKS FOR THE INPUT GUISE
truffles: take off the blue animal thing improves that one
thestringpuller: BURN IT TO THE GROUND
nubbins`: now, a quick power nap before the album release show where all this shit is being sold
nubbins`: that's pretty much my past 24 hours right there
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Mats_cd03: i read something in here suggesting that was the case
jurov: Mats_cd03: did you actually read the reports?
Mats_cd03: If i bought s.mpoe this month would i see dividends in the following period considering the outsized payment in march
kakobrekla: but iirc i removed the rating to him later on
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Apocalyptic&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
thestringpuller: the btc day trade guy?
twizt: then maybe i see y wot would be great
twizt: my bet would be against the most 'trustworthy'
twizt: if that 1 time they fuck up after 3 years
kakobrekla: twbt wot is a tool, like a map, it wont do the job by itself, you have to know how to read it, then it helps.
thestringpuller: some people are willing to tarnish their WoT reputation, but that makes the non scammers that much more trustworthy
twizt: nah i dont have the patience to be a sociopath
twizt: well if they are taking 500+ bitcoins everytime
thestringpuller: but then what happens when we find out the new person is actually an old known scammer?
twizt: whats stops that guy from coming back thestringpuller
thestringpuller: twizt: this happens: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero
punkman: the wot doesn't make decisions for you
twizt: nah but if they wanna pay me 90k to idle here
twizt: im in here all the time, might as well get paid
punkman: thestringpuller: it's not worth much discussion, just another scam penny stock, just caught my eye because they changed their ticker to BTCS
mikaeldice: hum.. My phone powers on the screen to tell me it's low on power. Something's wrong there.
thestringpuller: lol punkman http://trilema.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/ - has that been discussed yet?
mikaeldice: What about atheists and buddhists?
punkman: they come pick it up
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wywialm: ;;later tell bitcoinpete I've read your deflation article. Do you believe that 1) prices may be downward rigid? 2) wages may be downward rigid? If yes, what is the impact on these in a substantially deflationary regime?
punkman: the cheese is consistently good
MisterE: hell they are yummy to eat too
MisterE: that goat cheese is the bomb too
punkman: found the most delicious sheep's milk today, non-homogenized, 6% fat, and doesn't smell like sheep ass
MisterE: $9 mil ouch http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2337930/windows-xp-thrown-last-minute-lifeline-with-gbp55m-uk-government-deal
cgcardona_: ah yes good point. I don't mean to spam the channel. sorry bout that
punkman: you can play with the bots in private too
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cgcardona_: maybe assbot has an api for showing the difficulty. i'm not sure
MisterE: I'm in Bangkok and want money in the US in 5 min
cgcardona_: try to grab a tea and chips "oh sorry it has to be $5." "ok just double the order"
cgcardona_: $5.00 minimum payments at gas stations etc have been making me buy double the crap I want for years
cgcardona_: yea one of the biggest things that's changed in my perception since regularly using btc is how fucked it feels to give a stranger my credit card info.
MisterE: happily pay to read ars and the sites I like
MisterE: extension gets the stragglers heh
thestringpuller: (and vodka, and other various drugs)
thestringpuller: like the electricity and bandwidth trilema consumes lol
thestringpuller: yes if you want nice things you have to pay for them
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gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mike_c> looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price. another win for havelock.
Apocalyptic: but then don't ruin it by arguing with me what "public key" means
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mike_c> looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price. another win for havelock.
mikaeldice: I didn't read the article, but a cursory glance at the title ensures me that yes, it must be true.
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cgcardona_: a third anecdotal evidence is my wife recently asked a local music store here on kauai if they'd let her buy me an ukelele for my bday w/ btc and they basically laughed her out of the store.
cgcardona_: On the flip side I recently took on a client in honolulu and he is incredibly tech savvy and wanted nothing to do w/ twitter integration
cgcardona_: depends what you mean by 'average' - I recently got a new part time job in SF w/ some relatively tech savvy people. During the interview we talked about btc and I told them about my project. The team leaders response was 'I think bitcoin is cool. I'm just not sure if it's gonna be the winner' (fair enough i suppose).
benkay: which affiliation makes you look dumber to the average potential client?
cgcardona_: great rules btw (I only discovered the room yesterday) http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ "Pros don’t give a shit, it’s the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do"
benkay: the neobee physical locations never even existed?
cgcardona_: and the passphrase was 'aaaaaaaa' - it was truly a nightmare :)
benkay: hoarder's won't starve, misconceiving bitcoin will kill you is that the gist?
benkay: danielpbarron: do you have this 'hoarders will starve' thesis of yours written out anywhere in more detail than 140 characters including a link allows for?
thestringpuller: better than the forums...
benkay: not as in get out of here as you no doubt hear all the time, but what precisely are you doing.
benkay: hence the question "what are you doing here"
benkay: o ya you're the troll thumper
benkay: lotsa new handles in here -- y'all in the WoT yet?
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: depends on if the business touches fiat ever...
chetty: well the machine wont work without cogs, and good cogs are better
chetty: due diligence is seriously lacking among the muppets
jurov: so what was the point of fungibility part?
chetty: cause thats the way MP writes, he exaggerates everything to make a point
bounce: jurov: I think you misread the piece. the guy had an enthousiastic stable of creatives. all he really had to do was keep'em focused, which does not include letting them hare off every which way.
chetty: its like raising kids, parents try to be friends not parents. You just need to be the boss, not their friend
chetty: jurov, you dont need to that hard on employees. what you need is their respect.
Shakespeare: which means some other kind of stake
Shakespeare: if you hire online people, they need to have super track record of delivering
jurov: they failed to deliver too, btw.
Shakespeare: maybe merge with some other co that offers good ones?
jurov: I have coinbr + 3 other projects in various stages...need mostly sysadmin(s).
jurov: Or their mortgage.
Shakespeare: or do the specific work
Shakespeare: whether it be salary, equity, etc
Shakespeare: do you wish they didnt lose interest? or was it indicative of their likely performance anywya?
jurov: but all were either inept or lost interest
jurov: Just worked together with few people that would be potential employees
Shakespeare: and impossiblly frustrating to educate the target audience i chose
[KS]: mircea_popescu: I see your point, but it's an improper use of the word "scam". A scam is a fraud. A good corp in a bad market is just that. You made a bad investment and calling it a scam is just shifting the blame. Of course, don't try to explain them word things to "investors".
jurov: So the only option left is to have own company.
Shakespeare: he didnt build the thing without intigation
Shakespeare: it was mostly about running a tight ship, regardless of your experience performing the art
Shakespeare: Jobs and the underlings he despised were probably several layers of mgmt removed
jurov: Do you think Jobs and Schmidt did not despise(or had similar feeling) the underlings?
Apocalyptic: (re the salary argument, "does this guy really deserve to be paid xxxx ? he does nothing...")
Shakespeare: look at the hiring lockout thing between apple/google etc
Shakespeare: i think you'd find the working environment of successful "bean bag" companies to not be all espresso machines and fun
Shakespeare: he merely does not need to totally understand what they do
jurov: that can't be split from each other
jurov: Apocalyptic if i consider them somehow,i'll behave too
jurov: it's closely related to the fungibility
Apocalyptic: I didn't see that in the piece
jurov: not play toward their creative side
jurov: Looks if i want to have more people around, I have to actually and mercilessly use them
Apocalyptic: I really liked the article
locksmith: so we must be the same person, you know?
pankkake: lol, they're never out of sockpuppet conspiracies
locksmith: no, this guy in reddit thinks that my username there, sherlocksmith, and my nick here, locksmith, is ThickAsThieves' alt identity
mircea_popescu: anyway, my car's here so ima split. if the bitcoinshop.us tards show up, have them make an appointment. nothing before 8pm gmt.
locksmith: that's their strong department, traffic
locksmith: the most terrifiying thing about cyprus police is if you do a traffic violation
locksmith: for all the shit that Cyprus is, our police here is very mild
mircea_popescu: never has a thing as powerless as the state ever been invented.
mircea_popescu: and not just a little afraid either. fucking petrified.
MisterE: friend of mine got tazed because cops were there when he got home and he couldn't believe it
locksmith: I'd hit the road man
MisterE: in WA men have been forced to pay child support for children that were not theirs because they lived with and "bonded" with the family
locksmith: but I don't live in the states
locksmith: oh yeah, this exists here, for couples with kids or people living together for more than 7 years
mircea_popescu: in some us states merely failing to correct the other one's public claim you were married is good enough.
mircea_popescu: in most of the us the state involves itself anyway, provided you spend more than a few years together. or have kids.
mircea_popescu: don't they have common law marriage where you live ?
locksmith: I'm thinking it's best to live with someone, and if you end up not liking each other just split up. what's the point of bringing the state into the whole ordeal
mircea_popescu: this "ima get married cause everyone else is" nonsense obviously can't work any better than "i'ma '''invest''' cause the rest of reddit thinks so"
mircea_popescu: well they should definitely pick better.
locksmith: yeh but they end up not putting out
mircea_popescu: they should be feminists. woman in a harem eats a degree of magnitude more clam than snail. god help her if she doesn't like girls.
locksmith: where I come from women are feminist by default. we change the configs though but some of them are using persistent state
mircea_popescu: in between these, a continuum
mircea_popescu: most annoying feminists i saw are butthurt cause you can't really make their boobs out among all the spare tires.
mircea_popescu: (but no, they're nice gals, i'm just being contrarian)
locksmith: yeah but they chop down wooden crosses without a shirt on
mircea_popescu: ya srsly, the entire concept of femen is to form a group of little boys that pretend to be topless women.
locksmith: they got all shapes and colors
pankkake: I remembered them flatter
mircea_popescu: im saving that one for to ruin the feminist movement from inside or something.
chetty: yeah see what happened to the DEO of Mozilla?
mircea_popescu: locksmith no cause then it'd have given the game away to the astute reddit monsterbators.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty lulzy stuff. "oh noes, people say things we don't like to hear. SILENCE THEM!!11"
mircea_popescu: http://www.thegwpf.org/ministry-of-truth-crackdown-ordered-on-climate-change-sceptics/
locksmith: oh alright, I was trying to connect the dots with a sharpy and see if you could be linked to violentacrez
locksmith: well, there's no such thing as anonymity, only pseudonimity
mircea_popescu: cazalla: CoinLab now goldmember, toite like a toiger << i remember in like early 2013 when i was like, ycombinator is running btc scams, and people were like nonono, coinlab and coinbase are not the same thing! and coindesk is relevant!
chetty: you only need 2 dots and the sharpie goes to work
locksmith: yeah, I'm just trying to figure why that guy is connecting me to TaT though, beyond the fact that I've been warning people against neobee and also coming to this channel
mircea_popescu: well, the minority that can read anyway.
mircea_popescu: this chan is logged, and everybody in bitcoin reads it. even the redditards.
mircea_popescu: o hey, welcome to the dreamteam, locksmith
locksmith: "You are the alt account of ThickAsThieves, posting in IRC also as Sherlock & locksmith. So, why dont you start explaining how you and the ret of the Mircea team FUDed this up, hey?"
mircea_popescu: i personally hold the latter responsible for it, because somehow it has been implanted in the head of every clueless fuckwit that how nice you are matters. it dun matter for shit.
mircea_popescu: then the debate "it's a scam" vs "it's not a scam" can rage indefinitely, opposing some people arguing "this is so stupid it'll never see a return" with people arguing "these people are so honest and nice and trustworthy they don't even call women bitch ever!"
mircea_popescu: from the corp pov, "it's a scam" to "it's a legit business" roughly maps their honesty. in this sense, shit badly mismanaged by honest but clueless people is "not a scam"
mircea_popescu: from the investor pov, "it's a scam" to "it's a legit business" roughly maps their revenue. in this sense, a good corp in a bad market is a "scam".
mircea_popescu: [KS] the classification doesn't go like that. there's two distinct angles being confounded.
mircea_popescu: punkman http://trilema.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/
mircea_popescu: that means they reflected 60% of the movement in their industry, the other direction.
mircea_popescu: punkman and yet they're not in here.
chetty: hmm I gave them to MP
jurov: However, the Cyprus Mail states that it contacted the police authorities and learned that Brewster has not reported any threats, either against him or his family.
[KS]: BingoBoingo: I'm not really interested in the encyclopedic classification of scams but I can see where it has some value for clueless investors. I'm more into: 1/ it's scam, 2/ it still might be a scam or have same result, 3/ it's without a doubt not a scam and is a secure investment (like Treasury Bonds - although...looking at Argentina/Russia...). So far I have seen 1/ and 2/. Dank, RENT and others are 1/ no doubt. Neo and AM are 2/.
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thestringpuller: that placing bets on bitbet is likely to have a greater yield than with the scam mp just presented
cazalla: did you see their office?
ozbot: These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller minium of .1, rotation based on what you pay
cads: and our teachers are just kids on the net
bounce: ok, lower bound is still 405925: all silvers are small, one year, all anons are yearly. upper bound is now 907675: all silvers are large, all anons are lifetime, and 3 years of dues for the yearlies