BingoBoingo: Back in the day wouldn't have been dared here
mircea_popescu: "it was found" derp. i dunno wtf land of the free you live in, i went to scvhool in communist romania. yet a teacher'd not have dared go through your bag.
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why and wherefore it's game over. well who the fuck would want to play with you!?
mircea_popescu: so basically the ad baculum argument reduces to "he knew we have the stick, therefore he should get the stick"
mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
BingoBoingo: I liek how allegedly the msot illegal thing I have done in my like was supposedly making a fucking phone call
mircea_popescu: and in the soviet union before that,
mircea_popescu: then the people who think try and insulate themselves, and this is how thinking became a crime in the us
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bounce: happy to be unhappy neatly glosses over the sad state of consumerist computing where the app is supposed to do the thinking, since to you it's supposed to be "intuitive", thus "no training needed" and thus we have large swathes of functionally illiterate people pushing buttons
BingoBoingo: Really, I mean I can literally order a liter of vancomycin concentrate on the jsutification that I have an itch. Fuck the man.
mircea_popescu: sadly these idiots have gotten it to where i can't send you a bottle.
mircea_popescu: it passes the morning after test
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: #JokeBleed of the day : "Openssl ...
BingoBoingo: Prolly fails the most in one of my favorite James Bond flicks when Felix Ligheter for Lighter's sake gets chewed by a shark
mircea_popescu: they WANT to scroll past the text in order to get to feel bad about how they're not reading it.
mircea_popescu: bounce you have to understand the us mentality, as aptly described by al pacino in devil's advocate.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That rationale for dressing fails at higher latitudes though to the reality of cold.
bounce: the "TL;DR" thing is a nice misunderstanding, by the by. don't put summaries at the bottom, where I find'em after I read the article.
BingoBoingo: Lighter for lighter's sake isn't really the aim though
bounce: s/incentive/rationale/ really, the incentive is a bit lacking
samson_: They only added EC in PolarSSL recently
Naphex: i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.
bounce: hmm. well, there is a good incentive to conciseness (see EWD1300, at least first two paragraphs) but "the GUI beliefs" overshot it in a grand way, sort-of coming out the other way
samson_: The picocoin project is being forked to use it
mircea_popescu: yet i suspect we're getting to a point where it's actually becoming false, and nobody has the oversight to call it.
mircea_popescu: bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.
Naphex: there is PolarSSL and CySSL
bounce: let's start with the type of model we'd like there. hierarchical is "natural" for over-enthousiastic devs but doesn't work all that well in practice.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem.
keonne: BingoBoingo: there is plenty of pr0nz on reddit
mircea_popescu: digg was a big thing back in the day
keonne: is there a pic?
BingoBoingo: So. In 10 years MP buys reddit and maps their urls onto DTNG pr0ns?
mircea_popescu: "decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army" << forget goldman. their alleged senior counsel fared very poorly when compared to mpex' lawyers.
BingoBoingo: Theo could use a support harem
mircea_popescu: zacm yeah they're getting murdered atm.
mircea_popescu: bounce dumped it on twitter. you got a handle there ?
gribble: You are now authenticated for user keonne with key 7EECABD58314C40C
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic at the very least as an interim install a gpg-based method for peole to verify your certs.
mircea_popescu: fucking burn them down.
mircea_popescu: they at 0 yet ?
gribble: Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-assets,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
Apocalyptic: <fluffypony> I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m // it was back in the days
BingoBoingo: Iremember introducing myself with the IRL name to MP and seeing the hit on my IRL name site from timosoara in minutes
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum<< once this chan goes +m it'll pretty much be it i guess.
fluffypony: bounce: you could possibly only see people identifying on SSL connections if the SSL/non-SSL memory pools don't overlap
BingoBoingo: keonne: Good bookies are some of the slickest scammzors
BingoBoingo: keonne: Actually the opposite
mircea_popescu: so whenbever he was putting dough into something dubious he really wanted to succeed, he used the former pile for it.
mircea_popescu: because he believed the latter is much more likely to "go" to similar "business"
keonne: yup i still have the emails
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Ah I thought this was the 90s
mircea_popescu: ha. sounds exactly by the book.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you're thinking the 90s.
fluffypony: The internet was a different place then, everyone trusted each other with no real basis for it
mircea_popescu: lol what are you, from the btctalk forum ?
keonne: I bet I still have all the emails
keonne: I bought 10 of them from Mr. Popescu for around that price
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno the youngun
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, i suspect you're right. there may be two of them, an old sculptor guy and a teeny pictor.
keonne: I was selling them for 550 USD
mircea_popescu: haha. how much was a motorola razr in the 2000s ?
fluffypony: Every time I try do anything mildly interesting in python I do it in the least pythonic way possible
keonne: but I could throw together a quick python script probably
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: btw I found my blog post today, didn't even realise I was internet famous:) I hope the comment cleared up that I wasn't being entirely retarded at the time!
mircea_popescu: so now, theres a list of about 200k kids ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume the artist named you is older than that
mircea_popescu: romania uses a bacalaureat thing, you're not an adult until you pass this exam,. coupla years ago the romanian ed ministry refused (cause inept) to publish the list of results online. and so some people hacked their db and i published the results.
mircea_popescu: haha the artist is a kid, like 25 or w/e
BingoBoingo: Maybe was the artist?
mircea_popescu: the first name isn't quite keonne, but it's a sort of hm.
BingoBoingo: Firstname is too, the combination isn't too common though
mircea_popescu: well the surname is.
mircea_popescu: this is why bitcoin will rule all fiat : those people can't even keep up with the obvious conspiraci theories.
mircea_popescu: tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."
fluffypony: keonne: Yeah that's the most worrying part. I know that reproducing the issue is hard, but they have a vested interest in figuring it out
fluffypony: keonne: Sure - just pointing it out:) Also, there seems to be an issue with multiple reports of MultiBit generating change addresses but not saving the privkey to the wallet, easy way to lose money
bounce: peon cards. places like estonia and iceland are pretty close, others are going there with the "unified" gov't id card; matter of time before banking cards move into it. nobody seems to care that the gov't then owns your entire identity yet that much more, either.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, the jims and johns of this world will need cuneiform or w/e
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo keonne i must admit tho, it's two hours' work on my part and years on the part of mr cody, the folklorist that collected my base material.
mircea_popescu: you wanna pay something just buttpress the cashier
mircea_popescu: you know, i was kinda rooting for the tramp stamp to become rfid govt id.
BingoBoingo: bounce: Oh, but the next generation of bezzel includes an alternative
bounce: apropos bank accounts, plenty places it's not a privilege since the government pretty much if not outright requires everyone to receive the bezzle through one of those. easier on the tax man, see.
mircea_popescu: so talk to whoever's in charge of doing these things there, and have him give you something that's both a) a good answer and b) that they can make public.
mircea_popescu: keonne point is : if block signatures and block contents aren't checked against each other, your design is incredibly weak.
keonne: lol these reddit comments
keonne: i know there is an internal review going on
gribble: The operation succeeded.
keonne: mircea_popescu: regarding the database thing a couple weeks ago?
keonne: no one at bc.i has ever asked what wallet I use. Tehy ask for an address at the end of the month to send me money, and thats all
mircea_popescu: keonne so how did the correct signature but bad content thing work earlier ?
mircea_popescu: me either.
keonne: lol no they do not
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Matonis is stooge in the original sense, where a stooge is incapable of knowing they are.
mircea_popescu: keonne they don't make you eat own dogfood at bi-wallet ?
ozbot: The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe Trilema - Un blog d
keonne: besides that I am quite happy keeping my BTC on paper wallet for the time being
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98939
mircea_popescu: also in the news, matonis "definitely not a stooge", as per matonis.
keonne: but you get the gist
keonne: I use blockchain.info wallet to just keep track of the paper wallets
BingoBoingo: keonne: You know historically why retirement funds were separated from their sponsoring companies, right?
keonne: BingoBoingo: I keep my spending BTC in blockchain wallet, the rest is on a paper wallet printed at home with a piper wallet
jurov: yes if it's developed... otherwise antibiotic ointment.. but better ask doctor in any case
BingoBoingo: Less saline more solution and more sowing the fields with salt
numerisTrade: ok, give me a while, then
jurov: keonee you can learn elvish then, too :)
keonne: mirecea_popescu: I don't know the details precisely, If you want I can ask someone for you. I'm not in a very technical position, and my understanding of these things doesn't go very deep
BingoBoingo: Too deep, Naproxen generally handles the inflamation on this one. but for a few years this has been a perenial seasonal annoyance.
keonne: I learned it because the idea of a constructed language intrigued me
keonne: however, some studies have been done, that suggest, those who learn esperanto first find it easier to learn other languages later
keonne: BingoBoingo: There are no advantages to learning Esperanto
BingoBoingo: keonne: No, this is how IRC works ideally. You answer Yesterday's messages as you find them. IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is
keonne: mircea_popescu: I didnt realize there was a correlation between dyslexics and esperanto. Maybe something about the rigid structure that appeals. IDK, thats cool though.
BingoBoingo: Smoking while drinking coffee with Irish cream is the best.
jurov: keonne: not a good idea to ask proofs from these paleo zealots
keonne: thestringpuller: i literally just registered in WOT trying to avoid mircea calling me stupid noob :P
keonne: truffles: drinking coffee is the least bad thing I do, anyway prove that it is bad for me.
keonne: benkay: i dont run blockchain.info but I do work there
BingoBoingo: I wonder how many of these connects/disconnects are attempts at heartbleed probing
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: just finished the prince 1.5 times through, read of few of goethe's literary essays but that's about it
Mats_cd03: nvm i didnt read the entire thread
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: i still need to get to kant. on burke, goethe, machiavelli and beaudelaire now
cazalla: yeah, i typically google the definition of a few words, i can usually put it together but some of the writing on trilema just goes over my head
bitcoinpete: trilema hurt my head on-and-off for nearly a year. then it hit me like a shit-ton of bricks
cazalla: oh i knew before your article, glad to know i wasn't the only one
cazalla: bitcoinpete: you make me feel less stupid regarding the pronunciation of MP's name
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BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well on my end it depends on weather as well
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: the weather's too nice for me to change it and change it back in 48 hours :D
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Prolly best to not refer to my GPG guide as a COMPLETE Wot thing until I finish my IRC guide, which should happen in the next two days
bitcoinpete: artifexd: yup, thx for the tip ;)
artifexd: bitcoinpete I'm glad to see you moved the nickserv stuff out of the footnotes and into the post proper in your wot post.
bitcoinpete: waddyaknow, that guy on twitter who lost his coins on btcjam today because of the openssl "hack" has the coins "restored from their own pockets." https://twitter.com/Vtechp/status/453756698587435008
fluffypony: the lenders would've come out worse because BTC skyrocketed
fluffypony: on that property it was bad, but on one of my other properties that is nearly paid off and just being "topped up" the impact wasn't bad at all
fluffypony: the only thing I got wrong in that thread was the interest rate of drawing it out the access bona
bitcoinpete: gotta keep things stable-ish so they can haul natural resources out consistently
fluffypony: I mention some of the calculaitons
bitcoinpete: the commonwealth countries are a bit tighter it seems
fluffypony: now they've just been nailed again for irresponsible lending
fluffypony: there were laws passed due to irresponsible lending
fluffypony: also I'm in South Africa - the comparisons with the US are nuts, getting a loan here is a vastly different story and at a vastly different interest rate
ozbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete
fluffypony: also the loan was Dollar-linked, I would never have asked for a BTC loan repayable in the equivalent BTC
bitcoinpete: there you go
fluffypony: and sold that property 6 months ago when we moved down the coast
fluffypony: but that was ages ago - we ended up making the changes anyway using our access bond
fluffypony: it seemed like a good idea at the time
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I didn't even know I was the subject of a blog post
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: things such as these are a good part of my day job.
Mats_cd03: the dongraja
Mats_cd03: i move around exclusively on the back of slaves and in rickshaws
BingoBoingo: Driving IL-13 by the Big muddy river and softball sized glob of the worst smelling birdshit I had smelled in my life landed on the Windshield
bitcoinpete: i was hoping one of the urban kids (of all races)
ozbot: Ghetto Hikes | "Mr. Cody, lemme borrow them monoculars, I think I see a pack of bald eagles."
BingoBoingo: http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/15738319521/mr-cody-lemme-borrow-them-monoculars-i-think-i-see
ozbot: The Big Rock Candy Mountain - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Those are the original lyrics
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: thx for the candy mountain link btw :)0
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not quite. ltc is the botnet aficionado's coin.
BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: That is why it is remarkable CoinDesk had the editorial insight to bring this up.
BingoBoingo: Doge miners largely would prolly be cool with merged mining but lack the initiative to hardfork to do it in defiance of their masters. Litecoin minzors ave been screaming hardfork for some time.
ozbot: The New Morning Paper | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: coindesk is the morning paper for navel-gazers, this is the morning paper for star-gazers
BingoBoingo: Much as in the past Tenebrix or Fairbrix or shitbrix told Litecoin to stfu
BingoBoingo: I can only assume the NSOMGWTFBBQ offed him to distract from BleedHeart
ozbot: Jim Hellwig, Known As The Ultimate Warrior, Reportedly Dead
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Is that the Hashtag?
BingoBoingo: Ah, fucking freenode fixing their SSL...
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Wait, there's a Trilema about that maybe
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm not sure if you recognized fluffypony from a few hours ago but that's the same handle as the forum dood you pwned in "Why finance shouldn't be open to your average Schmoe." I recognized the name because i linked to that piece earlier today after someone tweeted about some BTCJam "hack." One fluffypony asked for coins for his kitchen, one for his rig frames…
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer...'
BingoBoingo: The implications of this are probably the most interesting of anything Coindesk has ever posted on which falls into their shere of having an influence on http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Maybe when multiple times a day cavity searching gets normalized, some of the searchers will send the search with notes reading things like " Cavity searched earlier, sphincter torn, proceed with caution"
BingoBoingo: I've always assumed actuall turrorists would run their own mini-Tors on botnets they control
ThickAsThieves: telling me how they use pizza delivery data to catch people live n shit
asciilifeform: youheardithere1st (tm)
asciilifeform: wait for... the new, seekuur!1! replacement for tor.
ThickAsThieves: he seemed pretty proud of the notion that most nodes were USG
ThickAsThieves: i was speaking with a former military tech at the bar a few weeks ago and he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA/Tor
asciilifeform: where they get reprocessed into biodiesel.
asciilifeform: they should just build a surrender pit for idiots to jump in.
ThickAsThieves: " Jered Kenna interviewed Bitcoin core developer Mike Hearn about BitcoinJ, the Tor network, and what developments are coming to the Bitcoin protocol. Mike explains why BitcoinJ will be using the Tor network for greater privacy and security."
BingoBoingo: The state of the art from 1980 on 2004 semiconductors would be a hell of a thing to behold
BingoBoingo: But they happened because it is easy to "circle the wagons around the cesspool buying time to fish out another turd for sale"
asciilifeform: (tldr - pretend the last 40 years, other than semiconductor chemistry, never happened)
asciilifeform: people have this very special facial expression they make when they finally understand what i've been arguing for
asciilifeform: so they're as hosed as everyone
BingoBoingo: I see. It's also the implementation "Land of Lisp" supposes for most of its exercises
asciilifeform: 'clisp' is mostly used by people running 'exotica' (machines for which there is no 'sbcl')
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The particular implementation
BingoBoingo: How is clisp's webserver on the SSL stuff
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about anything that involves a book-length standard, esp. with the familiar committees, is an inevitable turd.
BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read?
zacm: competent to follow the incentives, like getting through the revolving door to a higher paying job, making deals along the way to do so
TestingUnoDosTre: It's not like the USG can afford, or even needs to pay a high salary
zacm: what?! Don't Ivy League graduates at the top of their class look forward to that nice, lucrative SEC position?
decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army
TestingUnoDosTre: never getting a job at the SEC
decimation: if you could double your income or better, which side of the fence would you play?
decimation: This is what happens when the USG pays peanuts for 'talent'
zacm: ra, ra, there's your "regulation"
zacm: Kidney said his superiors were more focused on getting high-paying jobs after their government service than on bringing difficult cases. The agency’s penalties, Kidney said, have become “at most a tollbooth on the bankster turnpike.”
zacm: The SEC has become “an agency that polices the broken windows on the street level and rarely goes to the penthouse floors,” Kidney said, according to a copy of his remarks obtained by Bloomberg News.
mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8926 @ 0.00098989', '3450 @ 0.00099914', '22218 @ 0.0009995', '16000 @ 0.0010045', '161792 @ 0.00101']
mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['200 @ 0.00097812', '1000 @ 0.00096001', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
decimation: "This issue did not affect the versions of openssl as shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.4 and earlier. This issue does affect Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5, Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Hypervisor 6.5, and Red Hat Storage 2.1, which provided openssl 1.0.1e."
thestringpuller: only the cool kids are allowed to read and post
thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu I suspect they must have a seekrit forum, because You have more socks than that everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of them were me.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "To understand this by repeating this, only 20 members have posted on the Big Rock Candy Foundation 's forum in the last six months."
bounce: the guy's an academic with a bunch of publications and two rfcs to his name. time to send in some tin foil hats to check all that, too.
bounce: that code looks familiar when comparing the attached patch to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2014-April/007405.html
Naphex: the checkins for 14 Marhc
Naphex: for the bug