MisterE: at least you don't have her: http://gawker.com/this-is-the-florida-woman-behind-the-topless-mcdonalds-1561300866
cazalla: he also ran a conference where last year he said the winklevoss twins were book, months pass and it was the winklevoss twins are a maybe, then it's deleted from the website and the headliner was jeffrey tucker instead lol
cazalla: one of the latest being some real estate hustler who was in the papers saying he was bringing 100 robocoins to australia
cazalla: yeah, seems there is a disproportionate amount of bitcoin scammers from here
cazalla: We have 4 major banks in Australia, CJ has been kicked from 2 now, other being CommBank
TestingUnoDosTre: and by "What" I mean, Why are there more bids between 405 to 400 than there are compared with 400 to 395
benkay: there's a certain symmetry to this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ny8h/agricultural_bank_of_china_freezes_bitcoin/cgoohv9
nubbins`: good bulk discounts, but they only kick in when you buy a dozen of the same style, color, and size
nubbins`: that said, same-day turnaround once we submitted the application
MisterE: bit of a selloff on the BOA news
nubbins`: also had to sign a contract stating that we won't, among other things, reveal prices nor will we resell undecorated garments
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: three-page application form. we didn't have to fill out the whole thing because we pay up-front with credit cards, but if you want to do net 30 etc, you have to provide business references and a ton of extra info
joecool: whole lotta nothin there
MisterE: sorry didnt know that was in the buffer, guess I pased out last night :/
Mats_cd03: how hard was it to get the account
TestingUnoDosTre: no one was chatting before, thought I had the room to myself :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell mike_c i guess the appropriate local metaphor would be "for those who prayed, dove through, and magically weren't sliced to bits by the chumpatron"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell mike_c sometimes i think supply is constrained on the fiat -> btc pipe. if cash and reputation and connections are all you have, that's not a terribly wide pipe. perhaps there was something to gox' occasional ability to turn fiat wires into btc
Shakespeare: facebook lols: I made a post briefing normals on heartbleed and the general concept that internet privacy doesnt really exist. Here's the best response so far: "Is Lifelock an answer?"
TestingUnoDosTre: no disagreement there
TestingUnoDosTre: wait a tick. The last block reward halving was November 28, 2012. DOH
Shakespeare: "This episode of CSI is so (adjective I forgot), the only way to experience it is to watch!"
Mats_cd03: i wonder what the benefits are like
TestingUnoDosTre: His example is slightly hogwash, as mtcox falsely increased the supply of bitcoins, and the price still increased.
mike_c: benkay: it is fine to say it is an input. but i am saying it is a miniscule part of the equation.
benkay: mike_c: have you ever done the physics thing where you draw a circle around a system and label ins and outs?
TestingUnoDosTre: they will be if Bitcoin does worse than BRK-A this year
benkay: which is the whole damn point
benkay: supply is input into the system
mike_c: it's not static. supply is not how many btc there are, it's how many are for sale.
benkay: we know how many btc there will be per block
jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year
TestingUnoDosTre: ooo I like that... like a thermodynamics equation
mike_c: (not butthurt). but the system being discussed is supply on the exchanges. which is not equal to freshly mined coins. many other factors.
benkay: when was the last halvening?
TestingUnoDosTre: but were they entirely related?
TestingUnoDosTre: what are your thoughts on the price spike of btc so close to the block reward halving?
mike_c: i butthurt gribble. <gribble> You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.
mod6: whats up benkay, thestringpuller is in transit or something
benkay: thestringpuller: ping
decimation: mircea_popescu: "kalophilos, exists as such in german" << I see what you did there
thestringpuller: i was just lol'ing cause i've talked about otr unrelated to this channel today; so lol'ing at the coincidence
dignork: thestringpuller, but why?
jurov: not sure if the window management can be configured to get at least halfway to my mental model
mod6: (the way you wanted it)
mod6: they loaded me up.
mod6: lol thestringpuller
mod6: one thing that i seem to remember that I didn't like (many many moons ago) about xchat is that if you derp-paste a bunch of stuff into the wrong window, it doens't ask you if you're sure you'd like to do spammy paste.
mod6: ive used my screen+irssi via connectbot on my phone a bunch. works for reading stuff, but not so great for conversing. better to just read the log instead.
pankkake: if you're a heavy irc user, then irssi certainly isn't a hassle
Duffer1: but i don't irc anywhere other than my desktop anyways though
Mats_cd03: i rather like browser irc, irccloud maintains a persistent connection
mod6: yeah, its nice to get a client running on a *nix host, if for no other reason, you can run it in a screen session and then attach/detach
pankkake: xchat is probably the easiest to start with
Mats_cd03: Duffer1: irccloud is the tits
Azelphur: for those not in the know, if he had that running since November, he'd have made about $20k worth of BTC.
Azelphur: turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in the box doing nothing...since November
Azelphur: In other news, I met some guy today locally because he wants to set up a bitcoin meetup in my area, he's not very techy just interested in coin, he casually mentioned to me he bought a BFL miner and that he plugged the supply into UK mains and blew it and asked if I could help, went and took a look...
Duffer1: thanks i'll check them out
jurov: they are dreaming about rebuilding electrum server on sx, but i don't cross my fingers
pankkake: but I suppose the electrum servers rely on bitcoind
dignork: pankkake, there is pretty usefull SPV electrum client, no bitcoind marriage
mike_c: if no 'virtual forks' for a year, then presto. new reference client.
mike_c: and it doesn't seem hard to process those yourself, and then see if your code would have done the same thing.
mike_c: lots of in-the-wild use, meaning lots of test cases
mike_c: I was looking at armory the other day and they mentioned they were never going to cut the cord with bitcoind for fear of creating a fork.
cgcardona_: (regarding the 'if we ever actually start a religion' comment)
cgcardona_: Church of Sudo. Cult of the Super User. Order of Root.
mircea_popescu: bad doobies have to hash by hand until they find a block
mircea_popescu: btw if we ever actually start a religion, we can have the reincarnation cycle.
gribble: .yt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yt>; Register .YT Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix Mayotte, Registrar ...: <https://iwantmyname.com/domains/yt-mahoran-domain-name-registration-for-mayotte>; yt Domains - Domain Who is by 101Domain.com: <http://www.101domain.com/yt.htm>
nubbins`: just had an epic dinner with them
nubbins`: found some massive scallops in the freezer
asciilifeform: think like enemy. where would you put the surprise egg?
chairman_meow: when it was fixed, the chain was hard forked
chairman_meow: there was summation bug that allowed a transaction to output a truckload of coins
jborkl: and they didnt test that out first to see what happened
jborkl: well yes you are correct. it went the wrong direction lol
mircea_popescu: might as well just deposit your btc with the local court if you swing that way.
mircea_popescu: but i wouldn't trust anything coming from the powerfully retarded rangers. they tried to get heartbleed into bitcoin, who knows what else they've baked into there we don't know about.
jborkl: fixed that strangeness with the borders, for some reason WP decided it needed a bunch of <tr> and <td> tags
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more implementations can't hurt.
gribble: Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time>; Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/>; It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/its-called-eulora>
mircea_popescu: nobody hence perceived he'd have the authority to do so (and rightly)
mircea_popescu: sure you can use them. the last hardfork was made by satoshi himself, if memory serves moving from .3
jborkl: well, I know if you upgraded to the .8? or newer you would then have to dl the old blockchain to use a prior version. I remember it created - anyway I did not know you could still use the old versions
jborkl: maybe they just said that
jborkl: I thought they switched DB and said it was not compatible
mircea_popescu: but otherwise imo much improvement.
jborkl: ah ok, I know what to do about that then- thank you
mircea_popescu: <jurov> what is shuffled? << remember how the logs were messed up on april 1st ? and someone said "omfg the log now reads like the forum" ? well, that.
jurov: the monitor cleaner was better
bounce: app protects from malware by... er, giving you the ability to set and remove a check mark in a shield?
bounce: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/
thestringpuller: what the actual fuck
thestringpuller: geeze #bitcoin-otc is just full of n00bs these days
mike_c: JD is 2 orders of magnitude bigger. not sure there's much switching to be done.
mike_c: there's no arbitrage. but you mean just switching like mining pools do?
mike_c: well, the invested/volume is constantly changing. you can see historical monthly jd returns here: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
mike_c: bang jd breaks when they change IP addresses
chairman_meow: had a mini heart attack there. thought my coins were gone
dotcoin: So waste time here, tell the AMF they can sue me after they have declared Bitcoin as Money or currency, N8 at all
jurov: dotcoin if you did not lock your threads on trolltalk, i'd write this in all of them
Apocalyptic: they're coming dotcoin, it's too late
Mats_cd03: > you are all only critic the people who are more clever than you!
jurov: but dunno if he actually sells metals, either
jurov: no, he thinks i'm with company together with forensick (martin)
jurov: yes, that will definitely go into the complaint
thestringpuller: i know it won't make it to the conference
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i want to pay off the rest for that painting
ozbot: The Birthday Party - King Ink Live LIVE - YouTube
nubbins`: " In response to whispers in the intelligence community that Snowden has “a doomsday cache” in his possession, Snowden retorts, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?”"
Diablo-D3: why would they do something that makes sense
jurov: Apocalyptic: how do you know? I rerequested them at comodo and they issued them with same date as original ones
Apocalyptic: hum bitcointalk.org still haven't replaced their SSL cert
Apocalyptic: and on the scrolldown chose "Présomption d'offre irrégulière de produits ou de services financiers"
Apocalyptic: jurov, i would go http://www.amf-france.org/Formulaires-et-declarations/Contact.html?lst_select_form_theme_id=signalement
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Naphex: benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life
benkay: asciilifeform: what's the story with haskell?
Shakespeare: and then derping
Naphex: they should've used that as a namespace separator
Naphex: probably the fake php ceo
fluffypony: pLambert: because he's the PHP CEO!
ozbot: The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick
BingoBoingo: http://www.lukegilman.com/high-on-the-hog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alligator-gar-hunting-trini.jpg
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
fluffypony: well the short form anyway
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: NO WAY! It has my name on the shirt!
robwhiz22: I have another commitment. mircea_popescu thank you for taking the time to consider the proposals. Please feel free to reply by email, including with any questions or clarificatoins.
fluffypony: nubbins`: apparently some stores do carry them, but they're uncommon. Staedler is massive.
nubbins`: where do you live, the moon? :(
kakobrekla: use the fake wife?
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is less about the kind of marker and more what you do with it.
BingoBoingo: Or some off brand laundry marker if you are a heathen
BingoBoingo: Fine, I'll offer 0.01 for an authenticated Buttcoin
nubbins`: the riddler here won't tell us
robwhiz22: I suggest if he likes hte notes, that he accept my proposal, wait to receive the results, and then he can publish if he feels the need.
robwhiz22: Though I should edit them if they were to be posted publicly. (Something I don't suggest at this stage.)
robwhiz22: As I said, I didn't tease with the notes but summarized in full.
robwhiz22: He could be reading the emails.
robwhiz22: Other clients I've made such submissions to (who have paid for them) use the results very happily, but do not publish my work directly. THat's the sense in which I meant it is internal.
robwhiz22: BingoBoingo, this isn't an auction. It is up to Polimedia to publish them when it is ready to do so. (If it wants to.)
kakobrekla: ill pay the same but have buttcoin instead
BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: I'll buy the notes you have so far for a princely 0.0025 BTC
benkay: mircea_popescu: would you pastebin the thing?
robwhiz22: nubbins`, I submitted a proposal to Polimedia, as part of it I gave the "notes" benkay is referring to. I didn't tease with the notes or allude to them.
robwhiz22: if mircea_popescu wants he can release the write-up, I will clean it up as part of the follow-up proposal.
robwhiz22: benkay - I didn't mean to cause you to want them. For the moment they belong only to Polimedia.
benkay: i want the notes!
robwhiz22: nubbins`, I am not exactly selling that. I described it in full in the email, and I am happy to clean it up for public consumption for free, along with my follow-up proposal.
nubbins`: having major problems with the placement of my return key here today
benkay: why, someone else's going to do the security proposal thinger for cash?
nubbins`: but then he can't get paid
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, i.e. because it must be well-thought out, detailed, and edited, with supporting arguments. It is quite a bit of work to do an internal design proposal for these reasons.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, unlike the NSA which tends to hand-wave as they propose certain specific vulnerabilities without giving reasons, my reasoning is stated. This is part of why it is a bit difficult to prepare the proposal in full and I don't do it except if an initial offer is accepted.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, thank you for the compliment :) But the proposal is not the work of an organization. I would, as stated, personally offer it. As well it has its limits and must be taken in as just an internal proposal.
mircea_popescu: i'm not the fucking french, a little respect wtf.
mircea_popescu: right right. anyway, review teh sec letters. nsa wants to talk it'd better not be sending me derpy proposals in the mail. get ready for a full exchange agreement, and i get to veto the next president.
robwhiz22: i.e. if there is a beta phase.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, yes I thought also that it works and thought it might be shipping. For security reasons it is obviously a great benefit if it is not quite clear whether it is shipping, to whom, and in what quantities.
mircea_popescu: we had a few, but they eventually married asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: but nice going on the boundry checking lol. srsly, it works.
mircea_popescu: the worst a slutty pharaoh can give you is a little itchin'.
robwhiz22: By the way I did not realize that you were not shipping this item at all, since I ran across a post that says it is shipping by xmas 2013, as well as I saw prototype that seemed nearly usable.
asciilifeform: i'll be sure to pick one up before rocketing off to visit the ancients.
mircea_popescu: also, the brain specialist.
robwhiz22: I mean the ones that were accepted and paid for. The ones that aren't accepted, I don't write.
robwhiz22: But to go back to my experience - overall all of the proposals of this type that I have written have been unpublished publicly. (i.e. for internal use.)
mike_c: have you seen blogs.bitcoin-assets.com? nobody polishes their turds around here. just publish it.
robwhiz22: You will have the write-up to do with as you want, including releasing as-is. However I do not think that type of disclosure is necessary. I would suggest you simply deploy the specific mitigations in the verison that ships.
robwhiz22: (But did included the main disclosures, which together make the current Cardano specs unfit for any purpose - although it is very close to being fit.)
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, if you like I can prepare the disclosure for public consumption. You can then release it. For obvious reasons of haste, I did not include a highly polished and edited write-up with the preliminary email.
bounce: upshot of having tech development go much faster is that now, if you're trying to dig "forgotten" tech back up, the people who originally made it might still be alive. not so much with, oh, the roman taxi meter, or things like that.
mike_c: not all of us can solder together our own trng
asciilifeform: mike_c: 'everybody' is obsessed with the rng, but it's 1960s tech.
asciilifeform: mike_c: the rng.
Shakespeare collects another coke
robwhiz22: I wrote privately to the Polimedia office at the address at which the Cryptome announcement solicited feedback.
mircea_popescu: and moreover... the product is not deployed. any disclosure is responsible by definition
Shakespeare: also it isnt even in the wild
mike_c: how can you say it would not be responsible disclosure when that is exactly what the manufacturer is asking you to do.
Shakespeare: he made the damn thing
Shakespeare: so you think it has a security flaw? then tell asciilifeform
robwhiz22: It would not be responsible disclosure if I were to pastebin the rest of hte email here.
asciilifeform: and, preferably, can be wired to the evaluator for real-time experimentation
asciilifeform: at the very least, you need an editor that will match parens and auto-indent for you
mircea_popescu: most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano
Shakespeare: you'll get the benefit of all eyes
Shakespeare: robwhiz22 dpaste it and link it here then
robwhiz22: I then stated: "As beautiful as the idea is, the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly. If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing this conclusion. The main points are summarized below."
bounce: for me, the biggest off-putting thing to learning lisp keeps on being having to accept emacs in the deal.
mike_c: satoshi hacked together bitcoin. still waiting for that rewrite..
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the bathtub catapult has some potential
robwhiz22: u can actually use that private key while preserving the above guarantees."
robwhiz22: This is how I started the email: "As described in your introduction to its specs, the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on to work, and to be uncompromised, while it remains on the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances. Moreover, yo
mircea_popescu: it's not even anything else than *i don't think i could be bothered to use compuers at all without that*
mircea_popescu: that's the happy medium here, i tell you : hack the shit in c, then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going to be used by others for anything
bounce: as long as the "coding" is, er, "easy"?
mircea_popescu: rather than take my ability away to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep to find what i wanted in the logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will you be terribly annoyed with me if i point out that in fact the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I don't know. The address says "polimedia.us"
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: ok so you've formally confessed to being the earlier bozo.
mike_c: this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion. rob, you have picked the wrong victims.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I'm sorry. He answered the email to Polimedia and called you the chief engineer - which is why I thought he was, 'your boss.'
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read proposals for turkish soap pilots.
benkay: or pastebin the letter
robwhiz22: mike_c - no not exactly. I've written most of the details in the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with the proposal.
fluffypony: mike_c: also the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you
bounce: it's the cartwheels, I'm telling ya
mircea_popescu: i am however not transforming this into "please send me anon emails". you want to critique it, either publish it on cryptome, that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody
mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter to the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with this. i am more than willing to extend the welcoming of critique to his readership, because if he judged this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.
bounce: a letter in the mail/ in braille/ to johnny quest/
asciilifeform: i especially look forward to hearing about how the widget is 'not fit for any purpose.'
benkay: stop derping and put it to the test.
bounce: it sux! -- there, universal critique of teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?