mircea_popescu: black hole gobbling up the sentient cloud of assets
bounce: the graph thing is dexx7's, yes
dexX7: i quoted the paste
mircea_popescu: bounce whence the quote ?
bounce: in other words, elites work better when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in and the same risk of getting thrown out.
bounce: the existence of elites, at least the part where some people are regarded as "better" than others in some sort of fancy or other, is not bad by and of itself. the problems arise (and I'd surmise egalitarians' complaints partly stem from this) when people work on shutting out other people on essentially arbitrary grounds so as to, well, keep the thing exclusive in ways quite disconnected from the original merit
ThickAsThieves: " The bill, snarkily named the "Let Me Google That For You Act," sets its sights on the NTIS for charging for technical reports that anyone can Google for free."
ThickAsThieves: "<MisterE> well was nice chatting with you for a time I'm not fucking around with the +m nonsense"
nubbins`: i mean, the same thing without ;;later tell
gribble: The operation succeeded.
khersonus: mircea_popescu: sorry, was afk. Heh, yeah, need to work on the blog a bit.
bounce: the way I'm doing it now is simply recording all the info and printing it. I suppose that getting the results for a single nick would be better done taking the set union of everyone assbot has rated with everyone the target has received ratings from. that's only two json queries (or a single select given access to the database)
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: bounce if a name is allowed on the basis of two (multiple) ratings, which do you put in the "by" field ?
mircea_popescu: wait, pankkake maintains the assimilation ?
mircea_popescu: "Markus Persson @notch ยท 1h I got an invitation to this cool sounding exclusive "important people talk to each other and change the world" thing. I make games. Games." << twasn't me.
mircea_popescu: i think so. khersonus add an about page ? a name, a pic of you in a dilapidated room with half a cloth in the window ?
kakobrekla: im talking about the blog, to be clear.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/7e7b7c3cc7116db48b6d5fc1aa2ba7f4/tumblr_mzyn5lRZVl1skfvtio1_500.jpg
bounce: it'd be more efficient to output records as the first number changes, but this was faster. a small change in printing would save a loop a bit lower. that sort of thing.
bounce: in this case the ouput looks like 12.rater_nick nubbins` (made up data)
bounce: does kick the dog still count if it's a police dog?
mircea_popescu: apparently the well armed militia is about to start a war with the even better armed bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: in other news,
bounce: oh, he's got bitdragon whom got +1 after I posted the list
bounce: which brings up another question, why does diff give me 5 lines difference? o_O?
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of. << well said
mircea_popescu: i like how this thing just keeps swallowing more and more of people's time than they had anticipated.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gmaxwell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot theymos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitdragon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitdragon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitdragon | Rated since: Mon Oct 3 16:01:35 2011
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitesak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitesak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitesak | Rated since: never
bitesak: mircea_popescu: yes, in the wot under bitdragon
mircea_popescu: bounce Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.
bounce: yeah needed someone with positive and negative ratings to check filtering them, then forgot to stick assbot back in
mircea_popescu: bounce i was thinking this must be broken because when i wrote the article yest mah ppl had said "just shy of 500"
bounce: 436 even. used the wrong starting point. data iz hard!
bounce: now for someone to verify the list :-)
bitesak: thank you, you are quite the inspiration in many areas;
pankkake: I'm sure he will be delighted to hear about the cult getting cultier
mircea_popescu: pity that kid on the forum already splurged his scientology load too. this'd have made such a great op.
davout: ;;rate assbot 1 one ass to rule them all
fluffypony: there we go
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
mircea_popescu: like all the cool kids.
mircea_popescu: i really wanted to be the first biggest
dexX7: no, but the most sophisticated
mircea_popescu: can we still be the biggest ?
mircea_popescu: fuck, we're not even the first ever
kakobrekla: to keep the elite out*?
dexX7: i think #bitcoin-markets has something similar but with reddit authentication
zacm: haha, so bitcointa.lk is not just a mirror, but people can respond to threads and it won't necessarily appear on the original thread? haha
mircea_popescu: actually, here's an interesting project : someone traverse the l2 trust from assbot, make a list of who's on it.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i can beat that. someone finally read the robwhiz guy's proposal. you will have to look at this thing.
Apocalyptic: mircea, here's the offers I got some days ago
fluffypony: and tell you that "Kemod Holding" is going to register all these domains and do you want to stop them
mircea_popescu: get in the wot mang.
assbot: Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up thestringpuller
assbot: Voicing TheSeven for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up TheSeven
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up the20year
mircea_popescu: jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten << check out hardass jurov!
mircea_popescu: Anduck so then that's perfect, people who think they know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets but have no clue about bitcoin or bitcoin assets can spend some quality time in -otc hanging out with gribble and learning the basics of bitcoin and bitcoin assets : gpg, otc, wot, all that stuff.
fluffypony: even if they only use BTC address signing instead of GPG auth
fluffypony: Anduck: in -otc we're constantly linking people to the beginner's guide, and they learn to register with gribble quickly
cazalla: Anduck: ones excuse, anothers motivation to learn
Anduck: still they might know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets
Anduck: not many know about gribble, gpg, otc, wot, assbot or anything related to these things
fluffypony: "The first valid submission was received at 4:22:01PST by Software Engineer Fedor Indutny. He sent at least 2.5 million requests over the course of the day. The second was submitted at 5:12:19PST by Ilkka Mattila at NCSC-FI, who sent around a hundred thousand requests over the same period of time."
fluffypony: no they are
mircea_popescu: and they ain't payin; ?
mircea_popescu: poor kako. what originally seemed like a coupla hour's lark is by now threatening to swallow the entire week
mircea_popescu: truth of the matter is, as kakobrekla said yest, this irc interfacing thing is far from smooth
punkman: I was like "aww I'm not in assbot's WOT", then I noticed assbot rated me :)
mircea_popescu: jurov well also gives ppl the oportunity to rage at me.
Mats_cd03: the new world order is here
assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up Rulother
pankkake: self-moderated, locked threads = scam. there's no legitimate reason
jurov: no need to increase their publicity
fluffypony: That way nobody will be stupid enough to invest without reading the discussion thread
fluffypony: We should just create self-moderated discussion threads for each of the "securities"
fluffypony: It's almost like they don't want discussion
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
fluffypony: Sorry thought you meant to the site
jurov: i see, there's 98 on bid side.. but they could have done that on purpose because the bourse does not publish trades
pankkake: eh, I wish I could come to the conference but it's a really bad time for me
jurov: "as the conference approaches, mp stepped up his repression against dissent"
pankkake: I'm always annoyed by their poor spelled requests
Anduck: they never do anyway
jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten
pankkake: beauty of the free market
Anduck: i see no reason for +m there
Anduck: and scammers do most of the scamming by pming
Anduck: what would +m change there?
jurov: benka'y missing manul doesn't mention it either
jurov: *authed
Anduck: fluffypony: what's the idea with tht?
Anduck: nope, i am authed
jurov: cuz gribble deauthed you?
fluffypony: no there isn't
jurov: i only hope there is no such feature in json
fluffypony: private = doesn't show up in whois unless you're on the same channel as the user you're whois'ing ?
jurov: whoa now the chan is also secret?
fluffypony: well then
artifexd: Doesn't have the same effect
mike_c: for the record, i first tried "!up mike_c" and got a cryptic error message from assbot. must do just "!up"
mike_c: phew, i jumped the hurdles.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` and so i pass the torch of upping noobs to you, for i am old and tired
kakobrekla: but i found some issues and i will redo the thing.
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg guide
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you not in the wot ?
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
kakobrekla: theres a couple of things broken yea
mircea_popescu: listen to the sound
[\]: I'd say ask in #freenode, but you're likely to get helped by a bunch of overachievers that doen't know the real answer
kakobrekla: so whats the catch
[\]: not there*
mircea_popescu: secureops is still there innit ?!
[\]: What is failing? the bot not devoicing when you switch nicks?
[\]: oh, because of the protected users?
[\]: oh, then dunno
Blazedout419: I do not even know the terminology
[\]: because half of them are shit
mircea_popescu: and if you nick to imsaguy and up then nick to slash does it devoice ?
assbot_sucks: escape the slashes retardedly
benkay: mircea_popescu: the reason for debian gpg instructions is that the default gnupg keygen process creates a key that decrypts only
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user [\\]: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=%5B%5C%5C%5D | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%5B%5C%5C%5D | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: i am ESCAPING the point
[\]: mircea_popescu: you're missing the point
mircea_popescu: [\\\] it's not my bot unless it did something cool. otherwise it's kakobrekla's. and moreover, it'd seem gribble passes it an error.
mircea_popescu: actually the hostmask is borked
[\]: but I was auth'd the whole time
[\]: it didin't work as assbot_sucks either
[\]: the bot is shit
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html szabo is a pleasure to read, like an encyclopedia.
benkay: may i improve your experience in any way before i jet over to the parents to make my little brother's new girlfriend exceedingly uncomfortable?
mircea_popescu: benkay what happened ot the old one
mircea_popescu: the addy i mean.
mircea_popescu: prolly should do that asap, too, before you also lose the key
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ many years ago, towards the end of training this english major / drama girl how to math, she had to do multiplications, 10 digit by 10 digit
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: the other day you mentioned w/ regards to reincarnation/afterlife/nirvana having people hash by hand until they find a block. I've been thinking about that. I'm guessing the difficulty would be based on their overall level of derpage?
benkay: i wonder if there's a critical mass in here to keep conversational inertia
mircea_popescu: you in the wot KRS-1 ?
artifexd: Seems the logical approach.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure, but voice stays with the session
artifexd: Ok. I was wondering about if someone gets rated, such that he/she can self-voice, and then turns out to be an asshat, will unrating them remove their self-voicing ability.
artifexd: Is the wot chain examined once and cached forever (or X amount of time) or each time someone issues an up command?
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html
mircea_popescu: how much are they out anyway ?
benkay: blockchain owes the poor doctors in a big way.
Duffer1: thanks for the heads up mircea i'll check it out after i get something to eat
mircea_popescu: it's secure in the sense of... um...
benkay: what 2fa thing are we talking about? that which my boys decrappified or the blockchain 2fa breach?
asciilifeform: jurov: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/#comment-98982 << i must note that i can't stop a determined idiot from pulling his ROM and stowing the key somewhere
benkay: kakobrekla: can you get gribble voiced in here in the meantime?
kakobrekla: i might do another reboot later on.
benkay: serialized to the wire
artifexd: But you didn't like that one could be revoiced by others thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others?
mircea_popescu: i totaly loved the fact that one could voice self thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others.
kakobrekla: i wasnt authed by assbot
pankkake: if you just pushed, it might take a while for it to appear in all the servers
pankkake: perhaps you have a wrong keyserver in the config
kakobrekla: ah i see what the problem is
pankkake: and you give gribble the master key id. however, you can then sign/decrypt with the other keys by themselves
pankkake: if you push the master key id it will push everything, at least by default
benkay: or the master key?
benkay: then signing key?
gribble: Unknown authenticator.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
benkay: oh wait gribble's pissed at me for other reasons
[\]: I'm not on the -otc access list
joecool: thelordoftime
bounce was wondering about how one got ops there
BingoBoingo: joecool: Nah, not much help when the place is moderated by trolls
joecool: well if they didn't write the stupid wrapper on malloc this would have been a non-issue as a crash would occur on most platforms
artifexd: It looks like up doesn't reset the timer.
bounce: hm. openssl and their own funky freelist thingy. doesn't work without it, which would've had a good chance exposing heartbleed. mitigation is a simple patch. been reported... four years back, nothing happened. (last paragraph) http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-openssl-freelist-reuse
benkay: stack shit to the ceiling
mircea_popescu: if someone is going to break your gpg encryption tehy will attack the symmetric key not the 4kb rsa
pankkake: when doing addkey, I can't have both, apparently. either sign only or encrypt only
mircea_popescu: benkay because they're anally retentive wikiops.
artifexd: Have another 30 minutes. ;)
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic welcome across the chasm
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted << i like it how people always expect the worst.
mike_c: ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted :) x-bt is awesome, has steady volume (and the most for atc), and atc.blockr would be cooler with those price charts on the top.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the only thing it exists for.
benkay: pankkake: is that implicit in the key creation process?
pankkake: benkay: you must be missing the part where the main signing key is saved on another device first
benkay: <gmaxwell> I don't think you should use 'satoshi' it's a stupid name for the base units. << gmaxwell inserting himself into the conformal project
kakobrekla: either one must be greater than 0
mike_c: kakobrekla: are you the right person to continue to harass about hooking up atc.blockr & x-bt?
artifexd: What if mircea_popescu rates them -5 but ThickAsThieves rates them as 4? Does the balance count or does any positive rating win?
artifexd: kakobrekla: Does the voice-by-wot thing take into account the rating provided or just that a rating was provided. If ThickAsThieves rates someone -10, does that still qualify to give them the self-voicing ability.
benkay: so i'm looking at these "ultimate gpg guides", and they all say to create a new signing subkey with rsa signing only and then delete the secret key. how am i supposed to decrypt without the secret key? is there some other key for en/decryption that gets spun up at the same time?
Apocalyptic: <artifexd> benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot? // sounds reasonable
mod6: just put a giant solar array and ASICs on there.
pankkake: the moon is going to be annexed by bitcoin