asciilifeform: they're great for work sites with fascist admins
benkay: down with the aristocracy!
nubbins`: you can't !down the aristocracy!
nubbins`: there y'go
artifexd: asciilifeform: Sprint still sells unlimited (not "unlimited") data and their network continues to get better. It might be worthwhile to recheck Sprint's coverage of your area.
robwhiz22: Let there be no spam.
asciilifeform: Let there be spam.
nubbins`: well, i mean, it can be. but john k had 1k btc of the forum's money
jurov: i guess john as john, all are the saem :DDD
jurov: that's another john?
kakobrekla: but he is not on the list
jurov: fluffypony yea thermos gave most of the stash away: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/looking-for-people-to-store-some-of-the-forums-money.82849/page-10#post-1549423
ozbot: Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider
joecool: t-mobile is a wide range of speeds going up into the 30mbit/s or so range when i hit LTE
joecool: asciilifeform: with at&t i get ~6mbit/s majority of the time, drops into the 1-2mbit/s range if signal is crappy or its around rush hour
joecool: all of the above have no contracts
joecool: in canada i have a regional carrier called wind for $30/mo they have fake unlimited that throttles after 10gb
joecool: but the coverage sucks compared to at&t
joecool: t-mobile offers unlimited for $70 (might be $80 now) plus a bunch of other perks (unlimited text and 2G roaming international is nice)
jurov: lol what do you do with the phone? i rarely overstep 500M soft monthly limit
joecool: namely i buy a phone sold outside the US market and provision it as a featurephone
mircea_popescu: the inanity.
joecool: i use ~30gb/mo in the US on t-mo and at&t, and close to 10gb on wind up here
nubbins`: i renegotiated the last time my contract was up, my plan isn't terrible
joecool: nubbins`: ah ok, trying to see who has it pretty well covered out there, my carrier (wind) is regional, i usually used rogers prepaid for traveling to montreal and middle of nowhere places
asciilifeform: now he wants a wot rating? the balls!
ozbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: robwhiz22: serendipitously, trilema just published an article that touches on the topics we discussed earlier regarding why i won't rate you
kakobrekla: its a one time thing since i change the sys
mircea_popescu: bounce graphs. it's like... the one thing you'll for sure get someone with.
bounce: re list of !up-able nicks, turns out we both got the math wrong. hence new and slightly shorter list and a little more work adding the numbers.
kakobrekla: thank you, the reward should really go to all spammiciders
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/pluginuri-wordpress-utile/ << there's the list of all the plugins i use, linked
kakobrekla: then up and down should werk
khersonus: mircea_popescu: I know, I just found it amusing that you phrased it like that (I'd expect it more from a US southerner)
mircea_popescu: khersonus to scoop is journo lingo, it denotes the act of someone beating you to the punch. dun how illiterate louts speak, like in "I dun name dis hill DAndre Mountain!"
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mircea_popescu: for the unrefined palates :
mircea_popescu: <bounce> one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself. << i don't think so. the total is negative.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the btctalk wot is broken discussion was carried when thermos first made it. the conclusion pretty much went like "well it's not really all that broken, in that you can remove him from your trust line. a default population is useful cause derps otherwise wouldn';t even understand wtf it is"
kakobrekla: ha, was about to edit the wiki and i see pankkake beat me to it. gj!
bounce: then I get 429 names. time for a new list.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
kakobrekla: but i think the answer is no?
bounce: hypothetically speaking, if assbot rates b with -1, do any ratings of b to c count positively for c?
gribble: #20308 Sat Apr 12 15:09:56 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 code @ 0.1 btc (Will code (py,php,js,css,other) for BTC.)
kakobrekla: just the way it works bounce , its a one time thing
kakobrekla: it should not give you the right to !down until you re-!up
bounce: people waffle a lot. curiously, khersonus came up with a mostly identical list, making the same error
kakobrekla: i think im done with the new code more or less
bounce: yeah. but only the positives count.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
kakobrekla: either one >0 will do
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
benkay: ;;rate lampelina 1 has not yet run with the money
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask lampelina!~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 14:40:11 2014
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampeline: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampeline | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampeline | Rated since: never
kakobrekla: ;;rate lampelina 3 she will not run with the money
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
benkay: thestringpuller: much lulz
benkay: just give me all the data yo
bounce: actually using the json version of same, yes. and yes, it's fairly trivial to do the filtering. just noticed that it does give you ways to filter, only the available criteria are exactly not what I need
fluffypony: scrape the html?
bounce: asking b-otc.com for the list of someone's {received,sent} ratings. has a parameter that lets you only show negative ratings or all ratings, but not just the positive ratings
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5 as per http://trilema.com/2013/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations/
benkay: bounce is being unclear as to whether asking to be rated or asking gribble for the ratings of people.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user dexX7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013
Duffer1: my nick's from .. i want to say shannara series of fantasy books, one of the characters was called an old duffer
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;rate mod6 1 monk of the pearl
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly /// yknow i kinda doubt he's still sitting on most of it
pankkake: anyway there are things that are very easy to fix (colored ignores) that he doesn't fix, so he's voluntarily not caring
gribble: You rated user theymos on Tue Apr 1 22:52:27 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: Runs a forum catering to scammers, donations not used to do what he promised to.
pankkake: ;;rated theymos
fluffypony: And linked to the wot
fluffypony: But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly
fluffypony: Because wot doesn't care whether you're someone who just joined or you've been around for 10 years (Karpeles-Bitcoin timeline)
pankkake: I suppose you could write a tool to interpret the relationships in another way… since those are public
fluffypony: Which defeats the purpose of it
pankkake: bitcointalk's trust is mostly useless because of defaulttrust, and the multiple entries allowed might not be a good idea either
fluffypony: Speaking of - bitcointalk's trust system is fundamentally broken - it's not a web if you only see one part of it. Are there any tools to express bitcointalk trust as a relationship model as with the wot?
fluffypony: And why ;;gettrust has superseded it as default (despite being used by all who understood the wot previously)
fluffypony: Precisely the reason that ;;getrating still led to scammers succeeding
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: in fact ill match the 10btc previously offered. when the device ships, if you can hack the device or firmware, you will have 20 of the ~50btc you are asking for
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: on the off chance that you are not a con man, merely an idiot, consider spending more time reading the details re: the cardano that asciilifeform has provided
bounce: go on then, you dog.
benkay: anyways punchline is 'i still like throwing girls around - consensually' with a slow stare around the room
benkay: what's the masculine version of that word?
benkay: kbd taped to the bottom
benkay: the only leaning that happens is backwards as my cock gets sucked
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: your btc addr is saved in this log, if the cardano ends up shipping with defects i will transmit 5btc myself
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: yes i know your opinion. since there are multiple vectors it would not be a loss to reveal one of many?
benkay: "i can't possibly be explicit with all the things bound up in that."
benkay: someone in the shop complained that i was being obtuse recently.
Mats_cd03: spouting some garbage and business and social vectors as an attack against the cardano?
bounce: some people believe they hold up to high standards
benkay: new theory
benkay: the cardano's not meant to address a large market.
benkay: robwhiz22: i dgaf about this 'improving the cardano' routine.
benkay: i think she's a keeper, but we'll see over the long term.
cgcardona_: I heard the NSA are working on that
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
cgcardona_: basically slamming piperwallet and saying I'd never send any more btc their way. The next day I get an email w/ refund and shipped wallet
cgcardona_: funny he finally answered the *day after* I talked shit on twitter.
cgcardona_: btw I finally heard back from the PiperWallet dude after a month. He said he was so slammed w/ orders that he hadn't checked his email and somehow my order got lost (sigh). Refunded me the btc and shipped the device. Should be here any day.
ozbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cgcardona_: noticed that this deal looks like it was legit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.20. Wanting to follow up on the 1btc casasius (s)he mentioned having for sale. cc/ MGK (if you happen to see this)
cgcardona_: wondering about the 'last seen' command.
robwhiz22: So far they have slipped over 4 months on a delivery schedule, and have a non-functional product for the usage described.
robwhiz22: So, if someone is an investor in n.nsa they can commission the internal design proposals (and briefer security overview of the current Cardano). They can own the results until/unless N.NSA uses it, and if N.NSA never ships anything, then it won't be a total loss to the investor.
pankkake: I inserted a double bold character but it was stripped by the ircd. silly
asciilifeform would rather feed pigeons than trolls.
pankkake: robwhiz22: just make a better cardano and let the market decide
asciilifeform: damn the moron won't shut up.
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I don't need to know the details.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22> (And won't be asking for some.) I mean, I see that you are concerned whether the chips that you have selected can really be trusted not to be reflashable over USB. This will be addressed briefly in the shorter documen.t
robwhiz22: Out of my experience, it does help to receive half up-front and then half when I state the documents are prepared and show their existence and length.
robwhiz22: I don't need any details or any input from you. The process doesn't need to be iterative.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if your objective is to get us to cough up details of supply chain logistics, go tell the fuhrer that you failed.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I will include an analysis of whether you can rely on your chip design which cannot be reflashed over USB, as part of the first part (the Cardano A full document).
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, there are vectors (social/business/etc) to reflashing over USB that you should think of before considering silicon boobytraps.
asciilifeform: the purpose of the bounty is to reveal silicon boobytraps. electron microscope costs more than 10 btc.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, if you were "sure" you wouldn't have offered a bounty. The purpose of the bounty is to motivate active, friendly attack.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: the beauty of it all is that you - and chinese ipNohe makers - any anybody - can take the design and build whatever they want. and buyers can freely choose between cardano and turdano.
asciilifeform: now we've stepped up the game to straight lying
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, this, coming from someone who isn't sure whether his chips can be reflashed over USB :)
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I am also not selling completed designs but rather internal high-level proposals for your consideration.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I guarantee you that you will see very big value in your resulting market. In additition, no longer selling snake oil- i.e. a product that actually works in the usage cases offered - is its own reward.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, for both of those reasons it would not make very much sense for me to take their idea and compete with them. They're just the ones to do it. (Or so I thought.)
robwhiz22: fluffypony, as mircea_popescu and asciilifeform have shown by slipping 4 months on their delivery schedule, it is extremely difficult to bring a security product to market. Plus, it's their idea. It really would be better for them to have the proposals for their consideration. I suppose they can also share in here if they want wider feedback.
robwhiz22: well, mircea_popescu has said in channel that he put me on ignore (a strange reaction after inviting me in here.) As I presume he and the chief engineer make joint decisions, the only way the investors in s.nsa will have the benefits of the new design, and corrections to the existing design, is if they pay for them as part of supporting their investment. ("Adding value", so they say.)
asciilifeform goes off to catch the falling leaves of sakuras.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: don't bother private-messaging me - i'm done.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: at the rate you're going, you will have to pay folks to 'voice' you.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never
fluffypony: robwhiz22: you're wrong, this is the sekrit channel for snake oil only
bounce: so, you're selling snake oil detection services for the low, low price of 54 bitcoin?
asciilifeform: that is, folks who are willing to take the time to understand the design - or are on speaking terms with a competent engineer, who will - before putting it to use in anger.
mircea_popescu: they who evere made a sale have some representation of how hard to push. those who never have however...
bounce would expect such investors to at least want to know whom they're dealing with. got any references, a CV, that sort of thing?
robwhiz22: They will only receive a copy of the proposal if mircea_popescu and asciilifeform decide to share it however. It is important not to get people's expectations up if some feature won't be included in the first iteration, for example.
robwhiz22: If investors are here they may read the private proposal and step up to pay for the report and internal design proposal. 15sdNNq9Rk8JM7VENnPvPeoCwTW7ScHHZA
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, the bozo filter is a result of trader1333, not this derp or that other one.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount isn't totally fixed.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount varies. I've taken into consideration the fact that Polimedia is a 'startup' and also not asking for any equity, royalty, etc. It's also trailblazing something radically new.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, like I said if you are convincing people to trust an insecure design that is unfit for the usage case you sell, you are a fraud. Convincing people to trust it is fraudulent.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: so far the only thing you've convinced the people here of is - to add a bozo filter to the channel.
robwhiz22: (for the usage described/sold).
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, it is not a main sourcecoming. I've only summarized things that render the Cardano totally unfit in its present form.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, the issue you brought up about reflashing is one that I wanted to address very briefly in the shorter write-up on the Cardano A. I believe you've found microcontrollers that can't be reflashed from USB.
ThickAsThieves: if i recall, the product will be demonstrated next week, no?
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover perhaps attention to detail is what caused some of the shipping delays to begin with. This is why I wrote with a proposal to help while things can be helped.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, they are not fools. So far you haven't shipped something broken, and have the time and resources to fix things.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: many if not most of the folks who bought s.nsa shares are likely here. go on and convince them that they are fools...
robwhiz22: fluffypony I think they have sufficient investment to cover the design. It's a very low amount due to the category being totally new.
fluffypony: robwhiz22: Then open source your criticisms
robwhiz22: asciilifeform Because the machine is unfit to be manufactured today. Why would I "wait for it" and have this idea totally disappear, instead of being iterated on and working and being something big.
mircea_popescu: the more recent pastebin by bounce is instructive, and dex made a graph
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: why not hush and wait for the machine. then collect 10btc (from me) and perhaps more from others, if you can reflash the unit without opening the case, through usb.
ThickAsThieves: i'm selling another 30min of !up to robwhizz for 54btc
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are selling hte snake oil that they will fix this. They have taken investment for it. Their solution is totally broken and unfit for this usage case.
fluffypony: But I'm sure you'll find it worth the money
bounce: robwhiz22, two can play the argument from authority game. plenty more read it and I don't see anyone agreeing with you. ie you failed to convince.
fluffypony: My report is rather short
fluffypony: Guys if anyone is interested I'm selling my report on why robwhiz22's report is wrong for the low price of $20 000 in BTC up-front. If I get more than 3 buyers I'll include a copy of his report as well.
robwhiz22: The idea of the Cardano is quite simple. It is described in mircea_popescu's specs: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ -- it says, "Consider the case of visiting a random net cafe or public library. Without Cardano you are in a relatively tough spot : even should you carry your gpg keyring and gpg software on a USB stick, and even should you be able to install gpg software on the respective computer, typing in t
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, but it's only snake oil in the current design :)
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, yes. And the snake oil being sold here is that if you have an attacker with physical access, then if you have a Cardano you haven't lost. It's snake oil.
skylytez: Hi Mircea. I'm just trying to learn what I can from your blog. I'm actually looking for the 29 people
Apocalyptic: * robwhiz22 rather
robwhiz22: bounce, the audience for that letter was Mircea who I think understands security to a certain level. I am happy to explain any of the points, but it was not a public document.
bounce: not to be unkind but the amount of words you spent failing to convey your message don't inspire confidence that 20..50 pages will do better
Apocalyptic: the 'public library fake usb host' is laughable
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, did you read the pastebin? It was not cleaned up for a public disclosure but I can answer any questions on it.
robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, new architectures for radically new product categories don't write themselves. It will take me six weeks just to come up with 20-50 pages at a high-level.
robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, I offered 3 specific ways in which the Cardano fails to meet its mission.
ThickAsThieves: then maybe you get a job
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, and you are the same kind of "engineer" as the ones who promise a perpetual motion machine and take investment for it from people they dupe. How does this help the conversatoin?
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you are the same kind of 'consultant' as the beggars who 'wash' cars at stoplights with dirty rags without permission and demand money
bounce: robwhiz22: you were warned repeatedly that this was expected and required and I'm reasonably sure you gave permission for the receiver to do whatever they liked with the information.
kakobrekla: thats the real cause.
kakobrekla: i just read the title.
robwhiz22: I did not intend for nubbins` to publish those two pastebins. I can answer any questions on them.
kakobrekla: yeah btc crashing, tell your mother to invest to save it!! we wanna be rich again!
bounce: ThickAsThieves: elites aren't egalitarian, you'll recall. some are more leet than others. :-) the point rather is that if you're an elite shoemaker and son of an elite shoemaker you should be able to get in on traits acquired by exposure to shoemaker, not by dint of birth. even though that birth helped you along.
asciilifeform: but, what the hell,
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> The offer is not unsolicited - as quoted the cryptome announcement welcomes critiques, which you have now received.
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> An ad hominem attack does not make your current design other than totally insecure and snake oil. It does not meet the usage case that was published, and is unfit for any purpose. You and Mr. Popescu can refuse my offer (of course) but the behavior I have seen in channel does not leave me surprised that you have missed your Christmas shipping time by 4 months.
ozbot: Surprise Catherine
ThickAsThieves: i know large wallets can get bogged to a crawl, but he's implying there is specificlaly programming to delete keys
Apocalyptic: i suspect he got confused with the keypool explanation that follows
dexX7: i once reported a gui issue on github and his response was "In any case feel free to make it what you think is better, I'm sick of bikeshedding about these kind of details." >_>"
ThickAsThieves: "In any case, Van der Laan says his job is not to direct the bitcoin project like a dictator."
ThickAsThieves: "Perhaps a more troubling problem for those who manage a large number of wallets through Bitcoin-Qt, the software has an upper limit to the number of private keys it can store. If you generate more keys than the upper limit, the software overwrites older keys to make space."
Apocalyptic: i thought you were a mathematician
nubbins`: "Well it turns out it could be resolved extremely simply. If the Cardano had any sort of display it could simply display the hash value of what it was about to sign: the user would manually have to click through to approve that particular hash."
bounce: ok, so, I'm not an expert and so I keep on wondering whether it's me or that guy who's not understanding, but at the same time my brains fall out. wtf is he on about?
ThickAsThieves: get the guy to escrow 54btc himself, and 54btc from SNSA
ozbot: New Product Design The primary benefits that will be shown by my 20-50 p - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: so the chick made... bacon quiche.
ThickAsThieves: i imagine thats the sound of Ken's hell
ThickAsThieves: ActM got their first server up
ThickAsThieves: I just realized this new Havelock IPO is another "AM" ...
nubbins`: tl;dr: "I am happy to provide the above services at 5% of that cost, i.e. for $25,000 - paid half up-front in BTC (about 54 BTC) and half upon project completion (about 54 BTC)."
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mircea_popescu: between gents who were both affluent but otherwise'd have never met.
nubbins`: well, i *am* a mathematician
mircea_popescu: because a little known twist of the renaissance is that most of the business started by chance meetings in brothels and prostitutes' rooms
mircea_popescu: bounce no, i don't international tournament of youn mathematicians pimp. i international tournament of youn mathematicians whore.
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