asciilifeform: on acct of mp_en_viaje asciilifeform learned coupla new langs.
asciilifeform: i aint got complaint.
asciilifeform: well for instance i reloaded recently into head, latin, so could read mp_en_viaje's .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i dun think yer wrong, that we're all charlatans. if i knew where the 'competent people who solve problems' live, would show to mp_en_viaje , and go off to the bar where phf is working on his cirrhosis .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not necessarily a win. perhaps we oughta have sank long ago.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: where's the gallows where you hanged all the fellas who didn't write logger in august ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: maybe at some pt he'll turn up that shangri-la that's populated by Actual People, i.e. mp-grade, and we can all go 'slice lengthwise' .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pretty interesting thread tho, aint it ? we make 2y of isp from a crumpled wad mp threw in the trash, and we're all 'autistic castrato bois'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun expect that you'll listen, but imho you oughta pick a coordinate from mp's globe and take that evacuation, as soon as the reactor's properly quenched.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp for instance seems to think that asciilifeform -- already a shell. and i'm not even 100% certain that he's wrong.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943263 << check it out, asciilifeform is 'pompous do-nothing', and not the fella on a 9mo vacation who never so much as tied shoes with own hands
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943258 << so , sack erryone, bring in these mythical 'other people' , why wait ? why mp surrounds himself with 'retarded bois' ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943254 << i dun get it, do you want the item properly completed or not ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943233 << is tbf 'person' ? or also tin soldier, i.e. fights while mp moves it on game board, dies when he knocks it over ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943186 << pay for what ? for empty rack until may ?!
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943177 << the 'master attourney' who mp billed as 'will use gpg' but never heard of any such thing ? him ? yes i'ma pay what mp billed for this 'service' .
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943175 << extrapolation from mp's description of argentine attourneys, in fact. could be entirely off .
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943147 << mp achieves what aristotel could not : overpowering fundamental contempt for not only physical labour, but intellectual ( of anyone other than mp's , naturally. newton -- autistic fucktard!1 thinking -- aint thinking, but 'autistic spin' unless done by mp over weapons-grade coffee in vienna on table made of three gurlz , etc )
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943080 << does mp believe in market economics ? how is in it possible that 'can be done by 1' at same time 'worth 10/hr like broom sweep' ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943075 << seems like mp intends on answering this q solely from own head. ( and relatedly asciilifeform would like to establish whether asciilifeform is , in eyes of mp, a human, or a tin soldier . )
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1943068 << is person? or is mp_en_viaje, a pile of homeless irons, and a gagged asciilifeform tied to firing squad post ?
asciilifeform eats log, w/ high-quality mp flames etc, may take while
asciilifeform: but imho if actually maintaining the proggy dun come 1st, then what may end with is item resembling the pseudofoundation, which has lengthy tentacles but 0 grasp of the orig. item (not even enuff grasp to do seriously complex evil, for the most part.)
asciilifeform: mod6: imho this , important -- what good is 'ref impl.' if no one understands it, or why even exists. i dun actually disagree w/ mp re 'needs public tentacles'.
asciilifeform: but again this is only interesting if one's building a '100% trb-compat' in e.g. ada.
asciilifeform: is only relevant to people who want to build trb-compat. mechanism from ground.
asciilifeform: mod6: importantly, tho, most of this horror aint relevant to 'trbi'
asciilifeform: to take 1 example, is there a max reorg depth that still worx as expected ?
asciilifeform: mod6: i dare to say that no one 100% comprehends (not the protocol per se, i comprehend) but the entire behaviour space of the proggy per se.
asciilifeform: the heathens sorta tried to do this, but in the usual heathen way simply shat in their pants.
asciilifeform: nao asciilifeform is no one in tbf. but will be sad if it comes to be the case that there is no tbf to fund emplacements of noades, curation of the ref. trb (incl. mod6's very fine build system) .
asciilifeform: incidentally i dun agree w/ mp's verdict that tbf is somehow broken (aside from 1 of the 2 chairs having gone awol.) charter reads, clearly, 'This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference implementation.' this was carried out .
asciilifeform: mod6: mp has been providing a++ guru meditation. i expect will say moar.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun panic. asciilifeform simply would like to apply the necessary heat so as e.g. the sec deposit dun evaporate .
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mod6 you presently majority shareholder. asciilifeform -- minority. ( mp is owed and also rightfully has a say. ) let's discuss asap the lawsuit.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also you'll want to at least attempt to get that security deposit back.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i fully expect that when you show up to tear up the contract, they'll try to cook up some bullshit re the cage being in arrears . hence wai important to empty it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the sooner you officially stop the service, the moar likely can recover sumthing from the orcs. tho , as mp pointed out, it is difficult to picture that we'll see a penny
asciilifeform sat down to read some ossasepia while waiting for a compile, and then 'damn, it was on piz!', and qntra, it's like having 4+ phantom limbs...
asciilifeform: which is why when i encounter a fella like shinohai, who has 100% of his time, it boggles my mind that he hasn't built a thermonuclear dirigible simply as a side effect of basic fucking metabolism
asciilifeform will be the last 1 who is to be asked re training critter, must leave the subj to folx w/ actual high pilotage under their belt, mp & co
asciilifeform: lobbes: i suspect that you will find certain things very simple, that asciilifeform has not strength to even attempt of yet.
asciilifeform: lobbes: if asciilifeform appears to do sumthing quickly, it is only because was simple job. ( or terrible kludge piece. )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol naturally, can't have broken lamps!111 or smudged floor! who needs a working cable!1111
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942688 << lobbes , i am prolly the slowest pair of hands here, mp never once misses a chance to remind of this...
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's still neato. wonder if they'd cut out impi, emplace raid, FG .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it isn't as if you rebuild os from empty disk erryday.
asciilifeform: hell i'm even considering the swamp an' digging for offerings there.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i currently do not know why mp fatwa'd ro, but must assume it was not because flag is wrong three colours
asciilifeform: nuffin catastrophic in that patch, simply cures the single-quotes thing.
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: important to get the disks tho, the rk people may want'em.
asciilifeform: ftr i did ~not~ like that kvm tho, needed toilet computer to operate (java shitware client) but exhaustive market survey yielded ~only~ that
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw the 1 i purchased for piz, didn't even occupy a rack slot, it was ultracompact matchbox-cum-wires thing
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: one simple pill is to colo a kvm. but obv. 1) costs 2) someone has to agree to operate.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: advantage of local orcs, supposing can agree on price, is that if their park suxx, can walk over and remove in half hr
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma then investigate .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: point! difficult to picture how could worse than uy orcs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from what was given, impossible even to say ~how many~ layers !
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942333 << ftr i found it impossible to determine ~anyffin from the given photos.
asciilifeform: aite. would be a shame to lose opterons on acct of skimping 5 $ of cab tho.
asciilifeform: nao, to continue the funeral, at some pt shareholders will have to decide what-do re the remaining pieces, incl. coin. specifically, how much to burn on attempting orc lawsuit etc.
asciilifeform: the spread of the impi retardation among heathens is potential problem: would have to either swallow it (i disabled in all of these) or find someone who , like the moldavian, is willing to serialport ( dun solve the problem of os installation tho, to such a place would have to ship'em with disks containing something resembling os )
asciilifeform: i would not propose to attempt 'isp' in the heart of mordor, but possibly could house a box or two that way.
asciilifeform again experimenting w/ 'what if within physical range of asciilifeform ?' but does not expect fat return. granted these wouldn't in a million years eat btc, but w/ mp's agreement, asciilifeform could feed it orcbux and eat btc . in principle.
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform had sat in e.g. argentina long enuff to need, say, a tooth fixed, prolly would have immediately seen same light that mp_en_viaje saw
asciilifeform: simply coming out of the gulag is unspeakable 'trip', aha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i buy this 100%
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: naturally i believe mp_en_viaje, who did 2+yr tour. speaking of only what saw with own eyes.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje's reqs might differ from BingoBoingo's , but i've nfi
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: formally yes. i'm counting all the places where father parachuted tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i liked ro moar than uy but possibly am alone in this.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you had a piece with gypsy sewer bunker and old sovok phone.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942369 << BingoBoingo correct if wrong , but asciilifeform's impression is that BingoBoingo wants to stay not 'for chix' but simply not wants to go back to gulag. which imho is entirely reasonable .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not disputing the general principle. but finding it difficult to see how would have made a diff re the latech thing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: since last rk sold. which is iirc august.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942359 << what would a full crate delivered to a dead cage have done ? ( other than to make asciilifeform completely, rather than near-completely, broke ) ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform described before, that does not know a profession that would allow him not only to eat, but sufficient dough+time to do anyffing meaningful, in arbitrary island.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dunget ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the complete plans, so can remake. but is fiddly process, likely to take a while.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942357 << in the olden days, priests designated. today/usa moar complicated, but very similar process.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: FG crate + 2 machines (the very smg machines in fact) were the payment.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942320 << if they're un-fritzchipped (i.e. pre-2014) opterons, and sans-ipmi, i'ma be impressed. but even any kinda opteron offer -- rare nowadays .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'corporate' product was 100% mitistic aha. i tuned in when was 1 d00d. chronicle piece re subj for anyone who cares.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed a thing, and is why republican-biz is different from arbitrarily 'clever' and 'flexible' etc heathen
asciilifeform no longer has anything resembling a realistic picture of escape. perhaps could sign on as swabbie on mp's submarine when he buys 1...
asciilifeform: imho castle mpstein would be a proper home for the remaining FG's, asciilifeform does not know how long has 'until sepsis' .
asciilifeform: snsa bought its share of piz for FG crate + 2 boxen ( the very smg boxen in fact ) , perhaps mp will accept these back .
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-08#1942089 << if neither mod6 nor mp ( the other shareholders ) disagree , i'd like all of the piz irons to be sold for modest cost to the current tenants, who can then use .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'ma come if it somehow turns out to be impossible to send the irons as freight, but otherwise must pass.
asciilifeform: naturally a welded tin can aint a 100 tonne safe . but will be equally impossible to get inside w/out leaving obv. marks.
asciilifeform: bot is unaffected by this patch, diana_coman & lobbes can emplace w/out reset .
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: of course remember
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: before piz lost shirt twice. so far most of what learned is 'electrified fence around zone, hurts' )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't say i've much to claim as 'merits' in recent time.
asciilifeform also dealing with a possibly-imploding salt mine, for extra kicks
asciilifeform will complete 'peh' even when exiled to pluto, imho it needs doin'
asciilifeform: i'ma carry on w/ peh (needs keccak) , perhaps mp_en_viaje & co will still find use for it .
asciilifeform: fallen is phuctor. (it was gonna get fatter disks, in resupply crate, so can actually go through those ssl dumps , to date has been doing 'random sample' of'em erry wk )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i specifically did not want it in piz, cuz already had dark thought re target-rich envir.
asciilifeform: i'm ok that it goes to random mp_en_viaje page . ( can't point at own www yet, it's still on that heathen random-ip-of-the-week thing )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma point 'nosuchlabs.com' at yer www again, like during last exile in the desert, if you dun object. (plox to say if ok w/ this and then which ip prefer)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if pipe is in fact restored, will make easier for folx to backup. but other than that i think is curtain call.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform was provisioning a noad-capable box too, for moldavia test .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fact of the matter is, the nearest restaurant is across atlantic, will take time to get to it in any case.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje this is so.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: remains , imho, to be seen, whether 'floors' even exist.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: a q for BingoBoingo when he wakes up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: mno, there was a security deposit, + remnant of month afaik.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: so, let's put on record properly, evacuation officially on ? BingoBoingo to send word to latech to stop charging for pipe, they've breached contract ? or are we to hold out for some unlikely concession
asciilifeform apprehensive about re-creating a piz-style 'target rich envir.' in moldavia, but all of asciilifeform's attemps to find reasonable hosters ended in broken teeth
asciilifeform: certainly compared to our deceased horse.
asciilifeform: fella even offered serial port via temp box, given that i refuse to ipmi
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we're all still stuck with a different set of 'rathers' .
asciilifeform: and to smg i'd also recommend to use the same, but is decision not for me but for mp_en_viaje & co, if they'd rather host on intel w/ ipmi and intel rng, is not my biz
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't speak for others, but anyffing i touch will be hosted on this same type of opteron, and with same raid, and w/ same FG .
asciilifeform: incidentally, mp_en_viaje , all the irons that asciilifeform personally worked on, have his seals on'em, and these should still be intact.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the primary smg machine is still owned by smg.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i also had trouble believing, before working as pro exterminator for these in '12-15. (possible that sumthing has changed since, but from what i presently know -- has not.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: by mass.
asciilifeform: that ddos of almost arbitrary size is comparatively cheap, vs the defense.
asciilifeform: it is impossible, from the shit drippings coming from latech, to say
asciilifeform: lesse whether mp_en_viaje still holds this pos, when there's >1 tmsr box in that moldavia and it gets 1tb/s sustained.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's unproven, but imho not baseless, theory, that both were targeted using same net
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pipe incl. iirc 1Gb/s.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941653 << funnily , 1 of the places asciilifeform wanted to try parking dulap in '17 , was a (largely empty) telco exchange 2km from house. reputedly, gives a locking rebar cage for <1.5k/m . and in the heart of the beast. the thing, i suspect if had done this, it'd still be there, working..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fairnuff
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: piz aint a tea&lemons provider, customers RESPONSIBLE FOR OWN BACKUPS
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: all piz-specific soft afaik is backed up .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any reason not to physically evacuate all of the iron stock, and not simply back up ?
asciilifeform: and yes, as mp_en_viaje said.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: without a 'we terminated yer contract as of thursday' to go with it, tho
asciilifeform: if they simply closed down, would then match this description. but instead started delivering milk that's 50% baccilae
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's a lulzy era1 thread where asciilifeform had to, for salt mine reasons, lease a bank box, and read the contract..
asciilifeform: well in usa, matters even moar simple , dun even need to read that the fella with the weightier bank balance is 'innocent' and the 1 with the lighter -- 'liable', ~100% of the time
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: to picture for a moment that the action were in 'civilized' rather than orcistani court -- if warehouse springs leak, and rain pours through it for week, and five customer's worth of wheat dissolves, i expect > 'month' would be owed.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it isn't that asciilifeform is convinced 'oh we'll win a suit and roll in dough' but that i haven't other constructive idea. ( to tell BingoBoingo 'hey get 2wks head start on rabbits and drinking to death' imho not constructive. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: sitting still also not 'safe to do'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is operating already outta the green on his tachometer and perhaps oughta stfu, unless mp_en_viaje or BB have specific qs today.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was the point strictly that asciilifeform's output to BB, low snr , and needlessly stresses crew ? or that he oughta be doing something else than where i sent him ? or both ? neither ?
asciilifeform: woah, mp_en_viaje concerned with stress of crew ?!!! ~nao~ i must ask, mp_en_viaje are you mp_en_viaje right nao or is hanbot filling in at console ( check out, also forgot that phuctor lived in dulap ? ) plox to fess up!111
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have high expectations.
asciilifeform: latech wrecked piz. (i find it difficult to picture that will be 'un-wrecked') . what would mp_en_viaje do in such case ? there's a clearly identifiable party in breach of (even orcish) contract .
asciilifeform: asciilifeform fwiw is following the 'what learned from mp_en_viaje' notebook.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what wouldja have him do ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a considerable sum for cage even in usa, fwiw.
asciilifeform: so 1 for mp_en_viaje , 1 for pet 1+2, 1 for 3
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje mentioned 2 pets , but some of the illustrations seem to include a 3rd, so will have to suppose used 3 rms.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer hotel costs 2+k usbux / night ? impressive.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: spinner is substantially slower than the firehose from where cometh. but yes normally one does headers-only.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was in fact 'ready to fire' on dulap , but not kept running eternally (a tcpdump of ERRYTHING slows box to a crawl and will eat yer ssd in ~week)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been tryin' to get mine in that ddos hopper since fri
asciilifeform: dulap also served e.g. the rk example image, 2.5GB, downloaded by lotsa people w/ no ill effect on pipe
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no one (at least not asciilifeform) was marvelling at the magnitude of the ddos or the ingenuity of the shooter
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this was multilayer shit sandwich -- turned out the pipe was so threadbare, that even just the mini-ddos was enuff to make it ~unusable
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, otoh, did the equiv of when folx w/ no medical education attempt a tracheotomy on choking patient. cuz nobody else was about to.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: Bingo for his part seems to be headed to lifetime of penitence in monastery or the like (tho i'd rather he grew skin like rhinoceros and fought an' won, perhaps still will)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: some amt of this is prolly not escapable in a mission like piz, which consisted largely of reconnaissance-by-fire. but yes this is likely the cardinal sin of ~erryone
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yes, but given that asciilifeform aint a gurl, it has 0 impact on operations.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, formally , is technical vizier, responsible for creation, maintenance, and sometimes emplacement, of irons.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to eat that 1stpass. nuffing's available.
asciilifeform: ty again mp_en_viaje , needed 1 of these .
asciilifeform: ty mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i rec to eat log ( via diana_coman or lobbes ) in 1stpass
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: asciilifeform does not have anyffin personally owned in the cage. there is snsa iron, mp will be who decides when to evacuate. others -- themselves, ditto.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 1st we hear from mp ; then to start taking reqs for evacuations.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aite. watch for mp waking up, i expect he'll have what to add to this .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand that waiting will accomplish nothing. even supposing the mario & luigi derps come back and 'we fixed pipe, promise it won't happen again' it WILL happen again. week, month, year, later, and whole story will repeat.
asciilifeform: well atm the fucker thinks he is stomping a defenseless insect. important to convey that he is mistaken.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well mp's giving a meat violin concerto or the like atm. and time is of the essence. so i will say, chairman 1st, for so long as BingoBoingo knows the obvious thing to say (i.e. pointedly NOT 'pleez dear sir can haz pipe back' but instead 'this is about the continued solvency of your company, the next conversation will involve barrister, now let's have working pipe, guarantees, and compensation' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for the handtruck there will be time later, when folx actually start to demand evacuation. presently you ought to be visiting 1) chairman's office, w/ contract in hand, and ready to explain exactly what will happen if service not restored (and compensation paid ). 2nd stop -- http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-06#1941177 , 3rd -- law office .
asciilifeform: lobbes: it's a very simple mechanism. could probably be made moar sensitive ( turn knob down from 180 ) but it'd create a risk of spurious disconnects.
asciilifeform: this is why no one complained
asciilifeform: meanwhile, diana_coman , lobbes , i'ma have to regrind the latest patch, it is defective (and not simply on acct of the double quotes thing) , apparently in 'a' of diff had wrong copy of MANIFEST .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: happens to asciilifeform regularly, in this swampy penal colony.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941253 << this, however, mistake. does not 'feel better'. asciilifeform in fact maintains a list of various where mp told him 'yer incorrigible idjit and hands grow from arse', it is quite long.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941252 << asciilifeform is not the manager , even if has been forced to pick up the grenade , BingoBoingo is still in that chair. and as mp aptly observes, asciilifeform is approx same grade of manager as he is violinist.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-07#1941224 << can i persuade diana_coman to share that pcap ? dulap ended up unplugged just before i could set up tcpdump on it .
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . re the rest , mp_en_viaje has it 100% , atm we dun even know wtf this was
asciilifeform: will have to revert it by removing the double-quote support and making from scratch, asciilifeform tried, like complete chump, to use a built-in py knob for it
asciilifeform: at this pt i'ma take whatever advice mp_en_viaje offers , re how to work these.
asciilifeform currently forming impression that mp_en_viaje dun even wants to wait for latech call, or e.g. these , and that time to evacuate ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: he's the renamed d00d. iirc was originally this, aha
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint actually disagreeing in re 'must sell'. but pointing out that also must have ~what~ to sell.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have any experience selling phantoms
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dun fughet where bv ended up delivering a crate for the cost of 3
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: nao, fast-fwd, mp_en_viaje in effect owns piz (there's ~no piz if mp_en_viaje & co not subscribed, working pipe or not ) .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it was 50/50 tbf / asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: recall how asciilifeform ended up with the job to start with ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i haven't the capital to take it out, or a where-to.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: my current take, is that any adventure in republican isp, regardless where located , is a walk between scylla and charybdis .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this. and ftr i still think it would have been mistake. just a different mistake.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: oddly enuff, this scheme is ~exactly asciilifeform's orig. alternative when objected in '17 to mp_en_viaje's 'we need whole isp, with whole cage'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know you don't liek to read castles, but this thread b/w asciilifeform and diana_coman's heathen isp man is pertinent.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the more 'exotic' iron is the fact that all of the iron lives in a cabinet operated by BingoBoingo , and not touched by unknown apes.
asciilifeform: ~none. but mp_en_viaje asked.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we made 2 parties of 100 , net 200 . 1st party sold immediately to dpb. 2nd sold to a variety of people, leaving the 36 that went to piz and a half dozen emergency spares kept in asciilifeform's desk.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: shall i post'em ? i dun think was ever fully laid in public
asciilifeform: likewise , mp_en_viaje's smg specifically landed there because wanted FG colo'd (in fact before asciilifeform had anyffin to do with the proj)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there wasn't what to sell !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: how does an automated fallback work w/ physical welded machine ? it sprouts wings and flies itself between dc's ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ikr ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dunthink enemy gives rat's arse re loggers. objective was to take out piz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: diana_coman's & lobbes's work a+++
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'all's fair in war', i enlisted for this headache, no one forced.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: throbbing, genuine physical headache
asciilifeform: i dun even disagree with mp_en_viaje's drop if you can't win -- but the flip side is that must NOT surrender if still could.
asciilifeform: see, BingoBoingo , if we had pipe from antel, perhaps could buy additional capacity on temporary basis as ddosism ebbs and flows. like adults.
asciilifeform: ( granted this setup was complete ~before~ asciilifeform picked up this grenade. but at the same time it was still a waiting bomb. )
asciilifeform: cuz , as mp_en_viaje observed, it's a 'cheap' ddos, given that BingoBoingo is still able to use net from his flat in the same town
asciilifeform: then will actually fulfill mp's orig spec of 'own fucking line, with no one to say 'we pulled you to protect our other derps' )
asciilifeform: and ftr asciilifeform suspects that this story will end with mp_en_viaje asking asciilifeform to hand in his bicord. wat good is an admiral w/out a fleet ? like miklos horthy ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho, BingoBoingo oughta carefully discuss w/ mp , ~before~ (and not as last time, after) talk w/ latech.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if we were hosting gossipd nodes instead of public www's and irc bots, then indeed wouldn't matter that 90% of our ip block at any given time is awol. could simply walk it until connects to noad via the remaining. but we aint..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is why enemy picked piz to start with, rather than e.g. lobbes's heathenisp box ( which cost him 0 aside from monthly cost and can simply move , erry day if he likes ) or mp_en_viaje's (which is 9000x oversupplied with pipe and he can also move at very little loss to whatever new isp)
asciilifeform: ddosism i suspect will follow all attempts to build republican isp. and will appear at the maximally effective time, i.e. when resources have already been sunk into buildout, long-term contracts with pipe seller signed, etc
asciilifeform: he had also this idea but it will have to be done by someone else, asciilifeform already spent most of what he had on the attempt to build piz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sadly mp_en_viaje already wrote an article re sane solution ( gossipd. )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940638 << was aboutta rage re timestamps but nope, they're correct. at least in that segment.
asciilifeform bungled the expedition and still owes mp_en_viaje coin
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: back in '17 when dulap-I crater was still smoking , asciilifeform wanted to try ro . but mp_en_viaje said that it was poor site, and i'm inclined to think that he had good reason to say this.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-05#1940478 << it's been 2+y since the last dig. there's gotta be ~something~ resembling competition, at the level below the orcish national thing. ( fwiw the dc routing cabinet was a glass item and there were defo several groups of panels in it, hanging off what seems like physically distinct fibers to street )
asciilifeform: 2nd pic dun look like any kinda ddos at all, simply saturated incoming pipe, happens erry single time anyone uploads a coupla GB of db dump or whatnot
asciilifeform: this was ( and continues, dulap still dead ) a maddeningly sovokesque experience, where we pay vendor for fish 'that's what they don't have at the fish counter' but short of borrowing mp_en_viaje's freighter and laying own fiber i can't presently think of a final solution to it
asciilifeform: unless mp_en_viaje contributes an idea for moar bite, let's send this.
asciilifeform: it is difficult to argue with his example. his box -- stays up.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje somehow solves, neh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is how the current bot logs in. however it dun work with cloaks (except apparently for old accts, e.g. mp's)
asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see mp_en_viaje's point above. i suspect he's right
asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this may be, but asciilifeform does not yet know on what level of the idjit pyramid took place this particular idjicy.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've yet to witness this oddity, where page reloads when link clicked
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only mp_en_viaje has point, and yer gonna have to talk w/ latech , but is high time to find out what other dc exists in that orcistan, lt's can't be the only 1 ( if it were, would be dangerously close shave in itself, to be had over a barrel )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lobbes's ? loads here. ( not housed in piz )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: does lobbes's same ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: heavy page, low mem ? cannot say, but doubt that it is connected to which logotron ( diana_coman's box is running same item as mine was when went down )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: artifact of browser possibly ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've had the suspicion since august that these people are overselling their bw.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: couldja share what it was you said to the latech derps ? cuz i'm getting the impression that you left'em with impression that it is somehow acceptable to nullrout a paying customer's ip block.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to share the 'undreamy' straight-logic then ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed. i'm relying on BB to get some fucknig answers (and the pipe, forfuxxsake)