gribble: Quartz clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_clock>; HowStuffWorks "How Quartz Watches Work": <http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/clocks-watches/quartz-watch.htm>; Quartz Time Only Clock Movements | Klockit: <http://www.klockit.com/depts/QuartzTimeOnlyClockMovements/dept-157.html>
BingoBoingo: bounce: Even in the worst case you want to keep them stored well in case everyone else with them decides they aren't worth saving and you end up with something rate
bounce: used to have a... citizen? automatic. need fixing though, in the end it was off by half an hour a day. should've gotten it fixed while still in warranty. silly me.
BingoBoingo: The sun's overrated. I'd kind of prefer an all tritium powered watch
bounce: kid in school had a solar, very sparse design. just even matte background for the face, which also was the solar panel only you'd not notice.
BingoBoingo: bounce: Kinetic is the seiko term, other manufacterers use different names because trademarks. That is for electrical charging by those means though.
bounce: right. what was the electrical equivalent, 'kinetic' or something?
BingoBoingo: I own more watches than other battery powered devices, but of the ones that don't operate on mechanical energy, solver oxide cells are the most prevalent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform needed some batteries for his demo yest, i had the maitre d' scare up some batteries, he came back with two alkalines
Diablo-D3: they're old hat
Diablo-D3: you need the safety mechanism so you dont kill yourself
Diablo-D3: they already have semi-functioning prototypes
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: in the next five years, graphene supercaps will become a commercial reality
mircea_popescu: how was the chan meanwhile ?
BingoBoingo: How was the conference?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell bitcoinpete When you asked about a line betting operation did the tweet I offered convey enough info?
Diablo-D3: iirc there are no good online chess things anyhow
BingoBoingo: This is pretty much the mode I've offered to any players approaching me in this channel
BingoBoingo: As white I'd play the queen's gambit. As black responding to E4, the pirc, to d4 the slav, and to anything else a spanking.
BingoBoingo: I'll even offer the four possible opening lines I'd play
Diablo-D3: programming is about learning patterns and when to use them
Diablo-D3: TAoCP is rather straight forward imo
Diablo-D3: anyhow who says otherwise is confusing programming with computer science
BingoBoingo: That isn't how schools have been capable of thinking though. I learned turtle graphics at 11 on an Apple II with software written in 1995. Schools make the worst decisions.
Diablo-D3: but all the bad parts
bounce: lovely how it attracts nothing but n00bs and how even the core devs reflect that sad fact. a fractal of bad design, indeed.
BingoBoingo: Ruby is basically a python fork that broke the underlying interpreter
Diablo-D3: the only lisps Im interested in is chicken and racket
BingoBoingo: bounce: The bedrock abstractions are more solid
Diablo-D3: lisp really is the best language ever created
bounce: relevant for this channel is the gpg-card thingies. problem with those is that the source isn't available, though a spec is. an open source implementation would be nice, and perhaps cheaper than sourcing the closed-source thing.
Diablo-D3: yeah z80 is the best 8bit microcontroller cpu ever
BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: My TI-89 met it's end in my usefulness when I realized the cheaper Mac Classic was basically the same thing.
BingoBoingo: bounce: I like the Z80 as an example to suppose.
Diablo-D3: java 8 fixed a lot of the long standing issues java has
Diablo-D3: I dont hate the jvm. I dont even hate java all that much anymore.
Diablo-D3: it hasnt been cleaned since I got it at the start of high school
bounce: anyway, mind sticking to the topic and present some viable engineering choices that'll work on z80? (as distinct from your personal preferences that work plenty fine on your desktop)
Diablo-D3: and cargo culted it together
bounce: too bad the z80 doesn't do that
Diablo-D3: the gpg for dos thing is obviously a 32 bit binary
Diablo-D3: neither.
Diablo-D3: (and yes, int cant be 64 bit either, some OS got this wrong and broke shit, long is the only one that should be native)
fluffypony: "You should be also be cautioned that the MSDOS stack is not deep. You should not count on more than one or two pushes of the registers."
Diablo-D3: anything written in modern C simply will not work on them without a lot of help
Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: then hell
BingoBoingo: No, updating the software defeats an actual air gap
fluffypony: Diablo-D3: if we're going air-gapped for offline signing/decryption ethernet shouldn't be a concern
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: someone needs to fab the silicon, and are you going to get an electron microscope to check that its to-spec?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Why advertise it as that? Posit the thing as a student architecture.
Diablo-D3: its unlikely theres any major problems with it
Diablo-D3: fluffypony: something like the rpi works
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Diablo-D3: because shit is only secure when everyone on the planet has audited it and said so
Diablo-D3: the only carbs I intake are naturally in vegs
fluffypony: this just sounds like it's going to go into the "make your own silicon, write your own OS" territory
Diablo-D3: it can be a fuel but its not the most efficient
BingoBoingo: Onto another topic, Diablo-D3 what would be your ideal computer for offline signing and decryption?
BingoBoingo: I mean denying the monder human body that shit is asking for portal vein hypertension
BingoBoingo: Immune response is important, but it has to point the right direction
Diablo-D3: paleo is about using products that dont cause some sort of immune response or arent otherwise toxic
Diablo-D3: but the problem is, you have to find what works
BingoBoingo: I've never had a problem either beyond nuts sticking to thighs, because moist. The aim though is not merely to survive, but to make the worst case impossible.
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm the sort that instead of using gold bond powders the nuts with zeasorb, because it offers moar power
BingoBoingo: These customs arise for reasons.
Diablo-D3: [03:17:34] <BingoBoingo> I like how all of these discussions ignore the proper use of a hand which is satisfying a girl, so that you can use the girl to satisfy yourself.
Diablo-D3: the bot should just be set to autovoice me
BingoBoingo: I honestly usually use the decrypt option.
Diablo-D3: last time I had to authenticate on gribble I needed to sign a message with my pgp key
BingoBoingo: Well, you authenticate to gribble
Diablo-D3: and I dont have to actually authenticate?
Diablo-D3: my gpg is registered, but I dont keep the key on my laptop for obvious reasons
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
BingoBoingo: I like how all of these discussions ignore the proper use of a hand which is satisfying a girl, so that you can use the girl to satisfy yourself.
BingoBoingo: "This drives me crazy when people don't include the costs of labor. It would be like someone getting a car donated to them and saying "Wow cars only cost $200 for a title and registration! Why do people pay thousands of dollars for a car!?" Because someone gave you one for free!"
ozbot: $42,000 Prosthetic Hand Outperformed By $50 3D Printed Hand - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/21/0017239/42000-prosthetic-hand-outperformed-by-50-3d-printed-hand#
BingoBoingo: 3D printing propaganda: http://3dprint.com/2438/50-prosthetic-3d-printed-hand/
BingoBoingo: Webmail as a substitute for Pine is another.
BingoBoingo: Not even that. The You Can Message Someone on Facebook, as a replacement for email is a catalyst of suck.
fluffypony: it seems that everything is http services layered on top of or replacing other protocols nowadays
fluffypony: I do have an unbridled love for php for front-end work (Laravel for structure, Blade for templating), but business logic/actual work should never be done in the front-end
BingoBoingo: I dunno why otherwise reasonable seeming people take to liking shit.js
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: PHP and Ruby are the wrong tools for an "exchange"
fluffypony: surely it's one line of PHP/Ruby/whatever they use
fluffypony: they have a regulatory requirement to only deal with Canadians, so I don't understand why they even show the deposit screen/address for unverified customers
fluffypony: yes, they're obviously a bit retarded or very, very sneaky
fluffypony: jurov: yeah, there's lots of fuss about Cavirtex allowing deposits without the person being approved, and then they can't withdraw their deposit
BingoBoingo: jurov: I see differences, the primary one being that at least shitcoins represent BTC denominated balances
jurov: so you see no difference between them and ascii's shitcoins?
BingoBoingo: Are you sure litecoins don't expire on the whims of investors/speculators? 1 LTC = 1 LTC, but beyond that... Who pumps them at a particular time seems to affect their value quite a bit.
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BingoBoingo: reeses: Last week's panic over taking National Guard Attack helicopters: There is still a nuclear armed National Guard Unit.
BingoBoingo: Well, how much is Litecoin worth? These things have to be handwaved, because such matters are indeterminate until practice forces them
jurov: i see he added himself "they will be worth less"
gribble: Loper OS » Shitcoin: a Modest Proposal.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988>; Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to ...: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009>; Loper OS » Idea: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=9>
jurov: Apocalyptic he had another kind of shitcoin in mind
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would release a shitcoin
bitcoinpete: UNICEF poopy music video. there's gotta be a cryptocoin crowdsourcing idea in there somewhere. maybe asciilifeform's shitcoin?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: ya the comments sections is getting better. it's fun to watch the flailers flail in there
fluffypony: "The SAFEst thing for Bitcoiners to do is keep their coins, back-up their hard drives, and encrypt their important files using PGP/GPG. The SAFEst thing for you to do is to find a VC or go back to the drawing board." <- best line in the article
BingoBoingo: (The choice of differance over difference was intentional)
BingoBoingo: I was kind of just bringing up these quotes in the context of addressing scammers. It isn't enough to merely be better than the scammers through knowing. You have to make them answer for their purpose, and in doing so you have to use language that sticks
bitcoinpete: was just watching videos of f-15s taking off the Liaoning
bitcoinpete: i'd love to hear some of the chinese profanity
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: The same person also said "When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to a bunch of little old ladies, at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity, and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag."
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: As a great man once said "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
ozbot: The Brokenness of MaidSafe | When Bitcoin Met Pete
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: benkay: The economic grabass in the US will probably follow from this and the already documented economic malstructuring
BingoBoingo: I'd be on the lookout for quiet, coded realizations in print that the US fell out of Superpower status without the fanfare of other's who have left the club in the past.
BingoBoingo: I doubt action of the favoritism that promotes golden toilet worship, this tension has been around awhile (see the late Col Hackworth)
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm just thinking of what Putin is doing in Ukraine vs. Bush-Obama in the US. It's going to force a lot of soul searching at the top of the US about the essence of being a super power when mapped onto results.
benkay: or just this dancing-around-trying-to-grab-each-others-nuts that is the price finding game in the absence of a clear price signal
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well my prediction for the US 2014 Q2 - 2015 Q3 is plenty of awkwardness.
benkay: the depth of my emoticon language is like >.>
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah, I always like our series with the braves, because it is always two solid high performing teams.
thestringpuller: haha that was one of the best series' last season
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Cardinals.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Oakland seems to be a lot of people's "other favorite"
thestringpuller: along with the Braves lol
thestringpuller: makes me secretly root for the Athletics
BingoBoingo: hey thestringpuller
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller Haven't seen it yet.
kakobrekla: ah nothing, Stanislav offered me an early private demo yesterday at 3am just before going to bed, which i gratefully accepted, but we were short on batteries and i didnt think of taking them from the remote control at the time. for todays show, i wasnt there.
kakobrekla: oh are they
kakobrekla: i didnt think of that at the time.
kakobrekla: perhaps the ones from tv remote would work
jurov: afaik they had some at reception
kakobrekla: did you get the batteries for cardano demo?
jurov: mp seems serious.. and he did wrote in past he wants to move there
cgcardona_: *for sure the location?
Apocalyptic: so how was the conference guys N
cgcardona_: is argentina 100% for sure the locations (as 100% as anything can be of course)
kakobrekla: btw, i must know, was there any raining today?
kakobrekla: but the thing was/is almost ded.
fluffypony: with this I'm probably just going to get a /28 and separate bindings out, that way if an IP is null-routed it doesn't affect the rest of them
artifexd: Yeah. The key does seem to be having the server doing the work not directly accessible from the internet.
fluffypony: artifexd: the problem is that this particular server will always be discoverable, as it runs a bunch of altcoin wallets, so anyone traversing nodes to DDoS a particular scamcoin will come across it
artifexd: The problem with trilema credits is the investment in time. Reading becomes a very large time investment.
fluffypony: and cancelled the DDoS protection bullshit
fluffypony: and I told them that it sounds an awful lot like security through obscurity
fluffypony: so I asked them why I was paying for DDoS protection when it relies on an attacker never knowing the server's main IP ever under any circumstances
fluffypony: open a support ticket and get told that because the main IP is null-routed the DDoS protected IP can't proxy to it
fluffypony: so today it gets DDoS'd and they null-route the main IP, and HTTPS on that 2nd IP isn't working
fluffypony: they give me a secondary IP that will proxy traffic and still be available during a DDoS
fluffypony: I had a fight with one of the DCs that host a server for me today
cgcardona_: my son was just opening some easter presents and he got a pen which writes in ink which only shows up when you shine a little black light which is hidden in the cap onto the paper. Kid spy gear
Duffer1: i don't recall how long ago, but they talked about fishing truly massive tuna's off the coast during a certain time of year
FabianB: bitcointalk should include http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/
cgcardona_: so much drama out in public on the bitcointalk forum.
kakobrekla: he doesnt have the private key to it
Duffer1: 1MatthewNWrightisaScammer124DNsfX
kakobrekla: i had coffee and icecream there, but last year that.
cgcardona_: of course I could probably just book the tix and then cancel them if I don't get the visa.
cgcardona_: in the case of china yes
FabianB: you need plane tickets and hotel for the visa forms
cgcardona_: i'm unclear on if I can get a visa and I don't want to take a wash on the btc.
cgcardona_: and fwiw I'm bailing on the china plan. I cant book the plane tickets and hotel before applying for a visa
cgcardona_: i had been hoping to go to the national bitcoin congress in china next month but I would have way rather been at that party.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dignork: ;;later tell pankkake item arrived, tell me where to send the rest
thestringpuller: one of them is asciilifeform ;)
cgcardona_: looks for kakobrekla's reflection in the window. no luck.
kakobrekla: i took the pic.
benkay: lazing around the cabin
fluffypony: no clue, they had a lot of media coverage and a reasonably pretty site
thestringpuller: what is their bet volume?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: no, way newer
fluffypony: he either got extremely cocky or he was seriously amateur, like more than anyone realised
TestingUnoDosTre: Or yahoo, maybe I'll just go to a library with my laptop that has all my personal info, then I'll sign onto public wifi
TestingUnoDosTre: Wouldn't you just pay a small amount up front, then deliver more after real evidence
fluffypony: so every "assassin" on the darknet is fake with a bunch of snuff videos
fluffypony: "Prosecutors admit there's no evidence that any of these murders actually took place – and in one case, agents actually faked photos of the target's torture and death to send to Ulbricht."
fluffypony: thestringpuller: he thought so
thestringpuller: were the murders actually carried out?
fluffypony: but if I'm donating or not donating am I not making an informed decision/judgement call? am I not picking a side of the fence on which to sit (which side may change later) ?
fluffypony: in which /r/Bitcoin can't decide whether to support Ross Ulbricht's legal defence because drugs mmmmmkay or vehemently not support it because, you know, he tried to have people killed and ran a successful criminal enterprise
fluffypony: controversial Reddit thread of the day: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23hvbt/ross_ulbrichts_sister_decribes_the_character_of/
jurov: fluffypony: prepare kleenex.. you'll cry or cry from laughing either
jurov: thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/04/13/bitcoin-central-net-insolvent-the-french-bitcoin-association-and-the-relation-to-mtgox/
jurov: oh yes, i have them
cgcardona_: A:"It shouldn’t be that difficult. My friend is a math genius who previously worked on an algorithm modeled after Google’s PageRank, but it’s still in the works."
cgcardona_: Q: What has been the most difficult aspect to developing a Bitcoin Business review system?
cgcardona_: fluffypony: I thought the best line was:
fluffypony: it's like they're trying to make Yelp for Bitcoin
thestringpuller: Happy 4/20 to the east coasters
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: funny how dead this channel gets when the bitcoin illuminati aren't around
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cgcardona_: someone invented the wot! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12469/bitcorati-hub-bitcoin-community/ !1!!1
bounce: on that note, often manufacturers explicitly forbid to install updates and servicepacks since it might well break the app. gotta love brittle "engineering" (by certified engineers!) like that. I don't suppose there's embedded software consultancy houses that'll do stress testing on the programs to see they'll stand up to such outlandish weirness as running without admin rights and still function after hotfixes get installed and such.
bounce: if I had a choice I'd much prefer my (expensive!) equipment be steered by something unix-y, but if that's Just Too Hard for the people designing the machinery I'll take an open source windows drop-in replacement. better for long term support and all that
dignork: fluffypony: COBOL, allright, but on way hopefully they moved from dbase-style to relational DB, i've seen this happening in some insurance company
fluffypony: "we've moved to COBOL to keep it in line with our other systems"
fluffypony: so then you're stuck on unsupported XP for a long time till that layer can get re-written
fluffypony: and the front-end gets a modern overhaul
fluffypony: the business logic stays as a 16-bit DLL/tray app
fluffypony: I've seen a LOT of LoB apps where they abstracted the business logic from the display/interface
turbo_ac100: ~10 lines in "Here is the quick workaround: Install DosBox." lol
fluffypony: the only way to run 16-bit apps in Vista+ is through a VM
joecool: does it really matter anymore, i thought steam was going all linux and MS pissed off the devs with the windows 8 directx stuf
turbo_ac100: Problem is they won't be 100% XP anytime soon so it won't even be good enough for most people.
fluffypony: joecool: yeah, we're discussing the "what for" part of dignork's comment
turbo_ac100: midnightmagic: Yeah that's why I think the timing is good for ReactOS. Now with XP being axed for the nth time.
thestringpuller: fluffypony: a slim copy of ReactOS with DirectX working and all the gunk pulled out would be nice << i've been sayin' that for years lol
fluffypony: a slim copy of ReactOS with DirectX working and all the gunk pulled out would be nice
bounce: useful to boot all sorts of dos diagnostics, flash utilities, whatnot. useful for games. the odd dos-only application that's critical to the business and irreplacable. and so on. same with reactos, except with a more recent and more widely used application base.
bounce: compare freedos. an unencumbered drop-in replacement for an obsolete proprietary system. what's the point of that?
midnightmagic: Maybe they're going to take all the XP customers who hate anything that's happened since.