mircea_popescu: yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop.
HeySteve: I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop
mircea_popescu: how do you get access to the recording ?
HeySteve: I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record
mircea_popescu: and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved.
fluffypony: aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements?
fluffypony: especially in the US
fluffypony: I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world
mircea_popescu: which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years.
fluffypony: thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought Simple.com) are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime
mircea_popescu: if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse"
fluffypony: I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there
mircea_popescu: that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice.
mircea_popescu: between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ?
mircea_popescu: i eat them.
cgcardona_: ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it.
cgcardona_: now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together)
cgcardona_: wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet
cgcardona_: like we're still on the mayflower
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: regarding https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459941006210007040—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff
ozbot: Name of the Year
mircea_popescu: http://www.nameoftheyear.com/ apparently this is a thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: Baseball is a good excuse to gather I say. At least for us Americans lol
BingoBoingo: A kind of mini conference for those of us awaiting the gasenwagen as asciilifeform says.
BingoBoingo: And the stadium
BingoBoingo: Or the bleachers, depending who is swinging hot.
thestringpuller: watching the great american sport!
thestringpuller: seats near the field/dugout
BingoBoingo: The baseball game might have to happen sometime before october ends
BingoBoingo: I think one of the big factors crippling fiat businesses is easy access to leverage. Lets operations learn to be weak.
BingoBoingo: Worse than the cable company
thestringpuller: this is the exact reason fiat businesses will die, and I have learned that tonight
thestringpuller: yea but as you can see I just re read the AirBnb one and commented on my recent experience
thestringpuller: Bitcoin with it's fixed maximum supply and decreasing rate of new coin generation is going to continue moving against the dollar. Any plan for a business that touches both Dollars and Bitcoins needs to be prepared for the contingencies of both Million Dollar Bitcoins and for One Dollar Bitcoins.[1] If either contingency breaks your business model, you need to rethink your business model unless you want to be runn
BingoBoingo: thanks thestringpuller
asciilifeform: i should probably buy one of those things before they vanish entirely.
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decimation: re: deep ocean robo-submarine: http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/sbir/solicitations/sbir20142/navy142.htm << USG wants some of them too (see N142-117), will pay fiat to tell them how
decimation: mircea_popescu: "anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now." << I suspect as least 90% of USG spending is put toward programs who have the goal of treating people as if they were automatons
decimation: mircea_popescu: hey, if fags can be married everywhere regardless whether they married, why shouldn't rednecks carry wherever they go. << because rednecks = kulaks http://theden.tv/2014/04/25/rednecks-are-the-new-kulaks/
ozbot: Bitcoin Finance 2014 - Dublin Conference | Digital Money and the future of Finance
moiety: i watched Dead Man on kako's recommendation other night, reminded me of Seraphim Falls. both are good
nubbins`: haven't seen much that's come out in the past decade or so
nubbins`: yeppers. i didn't design the manson poster tho, just printed em
moiety: aw don't get too snowed under, breaks are good! i saw your picture :D loved the heart on the bum.
ThickAsThieves: so i'm watching Paul Romero's youtube and listening to Heroes shit. The guy's damn good.
benkay: best laptop chassis on the market, though
thestringpuller: the trilema key
mircea_popescu: it was quite the show tbh
mircea_popescu: benkay well after the first coupla hours of awkward, the chicks loved it, cause apparently it's more comfortable.
mircea_popescu: the settlement included guys having to always split the drinks tab among themselves.
asciilifeform: me in 5yr. sitting in gasenwagen with benkay and ThickAsThieves: 'so, let's chat about how we worked on it. while the motor revvs.'
mircea_popescu: the guys thought it puts too much power in the hands of womenz and it basiclaly sucks and is opressive.
mircea_popescu: funny story : at one particular workplace we actually had topless day. buncha young people, the guys thought it was great.
benkay: "we see that you're making your employees uncomfortable. please pay us your entire profits for the past ten years."
benkay: bringing insane risk down onto the company.
benkay: i go out, i meet a chick as part of my gadding about the local scene. she's an acceptably well-practiced and hardworking programmer. i like her, we fuck. i can't hire her now basically.
mircea_popescu: we'd be better off allowing violence, from the schoolyard all the way to the workplace, than having this diffuse "everyone hates everyone" sort of poison floating about.
mircea_popescu: on it goes. you gotta have people in the loop or it ain't a thing.
mircea_popescu: law without people degenerates into the us sort of national-socialism.
benkay: point is only to outcompete the fiverr crowd
benkay: machine thinks for another hour
mircea_popescu: a sort more palatable to the modern religious mind, which as you stated, works on the " Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit" faith
jurov: having ability to check specs automatically will result in unemployed designer, will be easier just to machine evolve something that fits the spec
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: absolutely, I have faith the Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit (tm)
mircea_popescu: yeah, this is exactly the problem we're discussing. you don't understand the subject, but you do have convictions as to what works and how, and what the future will bring.
benkay: distributed systems as a term of art in the industry (as i'd expect you to know, fluffypony) does not refer to these blockchain applications
fluffypony: an automated system is able to verify the validity of the download link and that the checksum on the download matches the expected checksum of that song
fluffypony: ok so a 2 of 3 multisig transaction to purchase an MP3 - funds are now out your wallet and requires two sigs to release to the supplier
benkay: let me know the conversion rate of mp heart-degrees to btc, eh?
fluffypony: functionally and from a design perspective. The *software* signs off on the transaction with no input needed from the client.
fluffypony: mike_c: I think interesting things are coming from "trustless" systems when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making. For instance, imagine a designer works with a client who specs their project out. When the designer has completed it and delivered it, intelligent software is able to analyse his design and determine within a reasonable amount of probability that it matches the client's agreement both
kanzure: mircea_popescu: does it remove your address book etc? or does your data still contribute to their spam machine.
benkay: the taint coming from 2 sources:
benkay: fluffypony: if i can't list a thing on mpex, i haven't made a good enough thing. there isn't another exchange out there that i'd sully my thing by listing on.
mircea_popescu: TNN. The Next Nothing.
mike_c: counterparty is the next nothing.
fluffypony: benkay: so what you're saying is counterparty is the next "Red Hot Penny Stocks"?
mircea_popescu: this is the nonsense at work here, a sort of tech worship.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the fundamental flaw is the naive expectation for tech to work by intself and in of itself.
fluffypony: when accountability can be controlled programmatically instead of enforced by the po-po
fluffypony: I don't think the tech is fundamentally flawed, I think there's a lot of good stuff and good ideas underlying it all...I just think that anything like that is only really going to be useful in 20+ years when the current banking/regulation systems are significantly different from today
mircea_popescu: like the purpose of myspace/linkedin etc is advertising and "user data"
benkay: mircea_popescu: the purpose of a scam exchange is no accountability and access to pennies from paupers
kakobrekla: is that what they do now?
mircea_popescu: benkay the purpose of a stock exchange is major and ceo.
benkay: "major" "ceo" are orders of magnitude beyond the scope of btc scams.
mircea_popescu: nothing stopped yahoo from recruiting their ceo on linkedin
mircea_popescu: jurov exactly the way myspace went. servers no purpose, has no utility. its entire lifetime is its endgame
jurov: (the latter remains to be seen)
mircea_popescu: just one of the many problems with "distributed" shits
Naphex: mircea_popescu, ever seen the thick of it / in the loop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSScBIopM8 Alistar Cambell loved it ;]
mircea_popescu: benkay the endgame for it is now
benkay: i guess i'm assuming someone does a 'distributed' 'exchange' adequately at some point in the future.
benkay: but they can't even fall into obscurity - noobs are still going to show up and want some return.
jurov: provided that the codebase is solid, which us pretty strong assumption
benkay: it's not a classic GLBSE in the sense that someone's going to shut it down. theoretically anyone can walk the 'exchange' at any time and discover the assets available for trade.
benkay: what's the endgame for counterparty look like?
mircea_popescu: so add them to assbot feed.
mircea_popescu: iirc they weren't very numerous
mircea_popescu: maybe add the trades in chan ?
kakobrekla: - you can see the trades so you can estimate something from that
kakobrekla: theres 2 things
mircea_popescu: but i mean... at any point you must somehow know the maximum im allowed to withdraw
benkay: late for dinner it is, then.
fluffypony: (and api normally lives on separate hardware so the site stays up in the event of a DDoS on the API layer)
fluffypony: mike_c: I don't know if you can exclude it in CF's PageRules, never bothered checking, but you can have a subdomain (CNAME / A record) and just turn CF protection off for it
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moriarty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moriarty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moriarty | Rated since: never
benkay: hey hanbot is 'hanbot' an acceptable way to refer to you now that you're not stalking the forums as 'MPOE-PR'?
bounce: oh, while I know next to nothing of trading, I have a possible mm candidate: moriarty, the one of spamming come to ##econometrics (in)fame
mircea_popescu: Naphex http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/
mike_c: i didn't feel like participating in the arms race
mike_c: all of which breaks when cloudflare tweaks their page
mike_c: yeah.. i've seen PITA ways with scraping the cloudflare response, grabbing the JS shit and posting some form or something.
ozbot: the Illusionist
fluffypony: mike_c: I figured out how to scrape through CloudFlare, if you need me to make the jd mpif number available for you or explain how to walk past cloudflare
fluffypony: for the hipsters
jurov: asciilifeform, also i think you assume there was more cultural exchange between ussr and its colonies than there actually was
ozbot: Balconies are for the Birds - Imgur
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Naphex: ASR only operates in conjunction with the Electronic Accelerator (E gas) and uses components of the Anti-lock Brake System (ABS). If one wheel suddenly begins to rotate faster than the others (slip), ASR intervenes in the engine management system and reduces power until the wheel stops spinning.
nubbins`: i think that might be from the ol' heart-shaped-sticker-in-the-tanning-booth trick, but i'm not sure
Naphex: probably the diff or systems like ASR/ESP, not really sure.
Naphex: nah i it's the same on my audi/quattro
benkay: unless it's some crazy e-diff? and they've hacked it to say 'don't spin up wheel'?
benkay: they'd still be spinning though, right? diff only has an effect when turning.
asciilifeform: that's the legend anyway
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQm5BnhTBEQ now guys in the desert, they get bored hardcore ;o
asciilifeform: if modern sysop monkeys had myths & legends, they'd pick up this one
asciilifeform: mrstickball: fellow who pinched a broken wire with his teeth, died in the correct position
mircea_popescu: benkay o hey, im a total noob when it comes to all these topics
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did you ever encounter the tale of 'подвиг радиста' as schoolboy?
benkay: plus also lets ignore that the base measure is +/- 20% iirc, cuz what's research anyways when you're chasing provocative headlines.
benkay: any reasonably high-traffic chipotle publishes numbers for individual items, eg guac, sour cream, cheese, various salsas, the different meats...
asciilifeform: 'here great machines must sit forgot / because the idler wants to nod...'
asciilifeform: now for the pepsi:
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ozbot: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum
asciilifeform: for anyone fond of naggumisms (whether to cheer or vivisect,) here's more -
mircea_popescu: there we go :D
mircea_popescu: tions and providing answers to problems from others who also want to do their job well and who find their enjoyment in their capacity to do just that."
mircea_popescu: "My impression is that the feel-good guys are incompetent and stupid and need others to be nice to them because if other people were fair and just to them, they would suffer tremendously, and therefore defend other incompetent and stupid people because they can identify with the sloppy bastards, but not with those who actually do their job well and have that as their primary motive and their reason both for asking ques
mircea_popescu: and they seem to be claiming it was a problem with bitcoinj which i find somewhat dubious
mircea_popescu: how much did you lose, how did you find the problem etc ?
moiety: oh i like their rainbowness too
moiety: are there still forumites 3D printing things for btc?
mircea_popescu: i would say these are exciting times.
mrstickball: looking for others
mike_c: he is, as he was very helpful when i was writing up the original post on JD. but easier access to stats would be nice.
ThickAsThieves: install a button that let;s you up the font size too
kakobrekla: no no asci its from the moonž
ThickAsThieves: where they have to bombard th computer system when lottery goes live
ThickAsThieves: the install co handled all red tape
mircea_popescu: they got a similar system here but it dopesn't cover 2/3 of the cost, more like 1/3, and the red tape is beyond obnoxious.
mircea_popescu: you live there! a ok so like 5k
mircea_popescu: how much roof you got ? do they use all or just half ?
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : blogger butthurt over blogger.com having deleted some pix off his blog. turns out... he had stolen them from some guy who had stolen them from trilema
mircea_popescu: lmao the derpage.
ThickAsThieves: guess how much the sys cost
ThickAsThieves: we have 38 units on the roof
ThickAsThieves: so ive had solar power for 3 days now, they come to collect check for install and say, hey yknow you should shut this off, because the new meter isnt installed by power co, it's actually making the count go up not down
asciilifeform: first catch loch ness monster, then consider how to skin & stuff her.
fluffypony: jurov: thus secretly revealing himself to be Karpeles' father?
kakobrekla: i dun get the hate
kakobrekla: the poison of choice
kakobrekla: whats wrong with coke, its got sugar, caffeine and co2, all the bad shit you can have in one bottle
mircea_popescu: jesus these people.
mircea_popescu: Meanwhile, pretty young things swarmed Warren as soon he walked through the doors, asking to have photos taken with him, said one observer. He graciously did it. A few people asked him to open his wallet in the picture. Oddly enough, he did this too. According to the onlooker, Buffett had just a few dollars in his wallet. The source added, Hes more popular than the Dalai Lama!
ThickAsThieves: The ketchup on my kobe better be Heinz!
ThickAsThieves: buffet resorts to shilling, another sign it's over
mircea_popescu: the strat is sound, that's how you push it.
mircea_popescu: hey, if fags can be married everywhere regardless whether they married, why shouldn't rednecks carry wherever they go.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the us is no longer sane, so one feels bound to insist.
mircea_popescu: prostitution is , in the romanian legal tradition, a part of the creating a public disturbance/being a bum area.
mircea_popescu: he's got nothing there, nobody ever granted a cause for anything but the most outrageous streetwalking.
mircea_popescu: so... can he sue ? should he report her for prostitution ? is there some fruits of the poisonous tree doctrine ?
mircea_popescu: then, the next day, guy realises that the bird costs 2500 euro and besides, he had it since it was a chick and htey had a special relationship
mircea_popescu: so romania has a large lawyer's forum, where pretty much everyone that's not fucktarded in the profession has an account. think fuckedcompany, except for lawyers.
asciilifeform: a little like the diff. between 'mp3' and 'wav'
asciilifeform: 1/20th the size & rendering time
mircea_popescu: fucking losers these kids. if i were 20 and doing a lulzy project like that, the russki'd be naked.
fluffypony: I think it's important for PDFs to have images that haven't been compressed or resampled, because you really want that small logo at the top left to be a 2.5mb PNG
mircea_popescu: is it better for the pdf to be heavy or long ?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I know, but it's better than our dedicated box at a DC here where I have to log a fault and they send an engineer out to press enter on the keyboard because it's stuck at the grub screen
asciilifeform: re: IPMI: lol let's put a piece of remote-controlled strange on the system bus.
mircea_popescu: MrWDunne: Also the actual business plan is a 25 page PDF << i like this part best so far.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: aye, and duplicate signature nonces, and the obvious consequences
kakobrekla: the random() return 4; ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla remember the android hole last year ?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the Android Java RNG hack
asciilifeform: i only tell it because i was foolish enough to mention it once here, and then kako asked 'how did it end'
asciilifeform: the idea was to engineer such a case
asciilifeform: in some particular cases (online poker table) you can in fact isolate the idiots (at least, long enough to squeeze juice)
asciilifeform: a very sorry sight, all of them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from a mathematical standpoint : the most important quality of markets is that you can't isolate participants.
asciilifeform: i originally had the thought when noticing a proliferation of particularly dumb bots running on gox etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but that's always what it is, "dumb x". the mkt isnt dumb
mircea_popescu: the copper pair and so forth
moiety: when they opened up a uk data centre, they gave too good a deal. what i dont like is the hoops you have to jump through to get ssh access fluffypony
asciilifeform: the point wasn't to merely 'with enough money' but specific target - dumb bots
mircea_popescu: yeah. the master model of the preoblem is "cornering X market", such as the 5 i think to date attempts on silver/gold