fluffypony: well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits
bounce: so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead?
decimation: Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not
fluffypony: there are a number of fishing communities like that
decimation: re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun
fluffypony: and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ?
fluffypony: they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats
fluffypony: tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town
bounce: that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up
mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong
bounce: this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough.
mircea_popescu: ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant
mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them
bounce: interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.
ThickAsThieves: oh you need a node then
bounce: "corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot.
ThickAsThieves: there are two i know of
mircea_popescu: bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish.
mircea_popescu: this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc.
mircea_popescu: solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line
mircea_popescu: bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people.
bounce: so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense.
fluffypony: thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys
bounce: those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you
mircea_popescu: They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.
mircea_popescu: If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota.
mircea_popescu: the electronic frontier foundation ?!
ThickAsThieves: the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting...
ThickAsThieves: however http://therealaltcoin.org/ seems to be down for some ungodly reason
ozbot: Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum
mircea_popescu: (the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars)
mircea_popescu: odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading.
bounce: ``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma
mircea_popescu: bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ?
HeySteve: lol is this where the Crimea bet comes from? http://games.usvsth3m.com/the-hobbit/title/2:%20Electric%20Boogaloo
moiety: damn, the way you did it is a bit easier
kakobrekla: kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods.
kakobrekla: blame it on the mods
jurov: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2008/April/Pages/AntiSub2301.aspx they quote $200-300mil
asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat
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kakobrekla: i thought the lions always wins
asciilifeform: lol, then we've got our ride.
moiety: yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html
gribble: Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts | Animal-Free Entertainment ...: <http://www.peta.org/living/entertainment/penguin-facts/>; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Penguin-A-True-Story/dp/1585364851>; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message)
moiety: i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform
gribble: Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat>; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: <http://messybeast.com/ausdilemma.htm>; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA: <http://goodcatsa.com/pages/cats-and-wildlife>
kakobrekla: moiety lets have the waters tested first.
kakobrekla: put it together.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ?
asciilifeform: then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul
gribble: Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: <http://www.patagonia.com/us/ambassadors/rock-climbing/kate-rutherford/73355>; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: <http://www.vocabulix.com/translation/german/midget.html>; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5iHSOmAzIM>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food
moiety: i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal
mircea_popescu: i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself
peterl: mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand
peterl: CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself
mircea_popescu: so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative.
CheckDavid: And adds someone to their trust list
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ?
kakobrekla: you know im not going to the next conf right ?
moiety: lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed.
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ?
CheckDavid: Is it controlled by the creator?
HeySteve: if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg.
jurov: it depends what is the income from
HeySteve: I will know more when the guy publishes it
HeySteve: jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use
Apocalyptic: except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik
Apocalyptic: " instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it,"
Apocalyptic: without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins
mircea_popescu: i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure.
Apocalyptic: i think this is not the model he wants to achieve
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet
Apocalyptic: how is it the solution ?
fluffypony: HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem
HeySteve: ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery
HeySteve: I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up
moiety: Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions
SatoshiJack: no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :)
mircea_popescu: SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online.
mircea_popescu: for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains.
moiety: no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something
SatoshiJack: We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now.
moiety: mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P)
mircea_popescu: if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation
moiety: fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec
moiety: <mircea_popescu> [...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work.
moiety: o there you are
moiety: <fluffypony> moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online.
fluffypony: moiety of the cookie factory!
HeySteve: some places that's legal there, so who knows
HeySteve: well mind you they're in canada
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess
fluffypony: so is the 468x60
HeySteve: it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode
HeySteve: nice, now we need the t-shirt
kakobrekla: i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them
fluffypony: why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!
ozbot: Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa
HeySteve: http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/53447/newnote-financial-pioneering-crypto-currency-transactions-as-online-currencies-set-to-change-the-face-of-money-53447.html
HeySteve: “Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.”
HeySteve: on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism
bounce: well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter.
bounce: somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch
mircea_popescu: it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap
HeySteve: god they're still going on about redlisting
peterl: now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager?
mircea_popescu: otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative.
mircea_popescu: wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.
fluffypony: more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit
mircea_popescu: i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!"
mircea_popescu: Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other nigga.
mircea_popescu: hey, i guess romania wins then.
fluffypony: clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant
fluffypony: to manipulatez the cryptoz
fluffypony: and you're their plant
mircea_popescu: if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin"
fluffypony: pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?
mircea_popescu: the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade.
mircea_popescu: their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity.
pankkake: they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more
mircea_popescu: pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance.
pankkake: I fail to see what's wrong with the article
mircea_popescu: The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Niño, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin.
mircea_popescu: roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot.
fluffypony: what is the mises circle? investor group?
mircea_popescu: leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE.
mircea_popescu: basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses.
fluffypony: she runs two of the business units in the group - salonsupplystore.co.za and sexybikinis.co.za
fluffypony: lol no, she'd rather die
cazalla: indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital
punkman: I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me
mircea_popescu: lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin
mircea_popescu: a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61
mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it.
Vexual: how many sha 256 computers are there?
mircea_popescu: new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical memory-saver should increase his calculation speed exponentially."
mircea_popescu: "We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every
fluffypony: "This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links."
fluffypony: he just compiled the info
fluffypony: oh the dude that did that thread
mircea_popescu: fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over
mircea_popescu: A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too.
mircea_popescu: punkman they dun exist in .ro no
fluffypony: apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block)
fluffypony: has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing?
jurov: he spent several years there
punkman: they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap
mircea_popescu: perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics.
mircea_popescu: a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5.
mircea_popescu: heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc
fluffypony: the pretty simile is my favourite
fluffypony: this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: http://imgur.com/a/uJ8Md
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin." << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p
thestringpuller: oh look people in other continents
fluffypony: meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake
fluffypony: the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing
fluffypony: I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/ << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead.
fluffypony: ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing.
fluffypony: there
fluffypony: so why do they need your privkey?
HeySteve: the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed
mircea_popescu: if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either
mircea_popescu: like any other dog.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained.
HeySteve: yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff
mircea_popescu: HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them
fluffypony: you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys
fluffypony: although there are nice UIs nowadays
fluffypony: HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed.
HeySteve: nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though
fluffypony: the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: http://spagni.net/jdmpif/jdmpif.txt
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ?
HeySteve: well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral
mircea_popescu: that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls.
HeySteve: ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D
mircea_popescu: wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop
mircea_popescu: the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy