ThickAsThieves: "Cape Town, has the highest concentration of threatened species of any continental area of equivalent size in the world."
ThickAsThieves: their winter is summer
mircea_popescu: apparently 1mn buys you 2k sq feet of premium housing there.
mircea_popescu: all that followed followed from this simple principle, a hundred men wanted to sort out who sits where in the forum.
mircea_popescu: but the entire roman republic, pre empire, can be correctly summarized as a set of benches somewhere, and people vying for position on the best bench.
ThickAsThieves: that theory seems flawed
mircea_popescu: Having been both a student and teacher at MIT, my personal explanation for men going into science is the following: young men strive to achieve high status among their peer group ; men tend to lack perspective and are unable to step back and ask the question "is this peer group worth impressing?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves all counted i would estimate there's between 100k and 500k popescus alive today.
mircea_popescu: "A lot more men than women choose to do seemingly irrational things such as become petty criminals, fly homebuilt helicopters, play video games, and keep tropical fish as pets (98 percent of the attendees at the American Cichlid Association convention that I last attended were male). Should we be surprised that it is mostly men who spend 10 years banging their heads against an equation-filled blackboard in hopes of lan
mircea_popescu: i guess this sort of scum populating the underbelly of the internet that makes up the redditors and wikipedians and bitcoin forum "investors" and quora experts and seo experts and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: "i'm the boyfriend of that chick you picked up at a traffic stop in 2011 ASSHOLE!11"
mircea_popescu: people no longer have the common fucking decency to self-identify when they're butthurt
fluffypony: this is apparently joke of the week to them: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cei/nicolae-popescu/view
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: who is this minerpart dude on the phorumz? him and jimothy seem to have personal grudges
mircea_popescu: they're pretty cool imo
ozbot: The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#comment-99355
mircea_popescu: Sterling once said he did not like to rent to Hispanics because they "smoke, drink and just hang around the building," and that "Black tenants smell and attract vermin."
moiety: walking to the kitchen and lifting baking trays is enough
moiety: i should taste quite nice then
moiety: is this the root of today's happy? (side note -- i think a manul would taste good, most hard to catch things do)
ozbot: The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Namworld: So far, over the last few years, anyone with BTC income would have been better off waiting and filling late to avoid having to convert BTC to pay taxes earlier it seems.
Namworld: Hmm, I'm looking at penalties for late tax filling. Looks like the interest charged is low. Up to a maximum of 50% flat penalty for multiple years of late filling plus 5-6% annual interest on balance.
benkay: i was just throwing the notion of a gasenwagen conf around
BingoBoingo: On the deck taking a smoke break
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
moiety: benkay: yeah, i have to stop responding as i am reading. i saw the biting bit after. happy weekend btw!
fluffypony: another one
ozbot: Twitter / AdrianChen: Yes. There will be a live-doxxing ...
phf: and there's a proper use of kashchenit terminology going on
phf: ok, glad we're on the same page
benkay: well, the gasenwagen conf is for those scheduled for the gasenwagen but have not yet been picked up
benkay: thestringpuller: when is gasenwagen conf?
prestonbanks: bookmarked the links you guys gave me
prestonbanks: the pgp stuff.. i'll have to read up on that
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: in fact, I think I got quite vocal on this thread: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3862 - the proposal was to switch to micro-BTC, but the accounting software idea is the same...unfortunately it was NACK'd because everyone thought it had to do with the exchange rate rather than reading the opening post
BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: The GPG stuff does take a while but registering with nickserv and setting enforce to on is a quick exercise
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
fluffypony: magnitude different, so the argument is sound
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: Open for corrections and omissions http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate/
mod6: i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently
kakobrekla: mod6 its in the topic you know
fluffypony: prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!
fluffypony: prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
prestonbanks: i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time
fluffypony: which is the only requirement
kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me
kakobrekla: the notion of days is all wrong.
benkay: and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways
benkay: i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users.
prestonbanks: in case the fincen guy wants in
benkay: getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake
fluffypony: but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick
kakobrekla: registering nick != registering in the wot
fluffypony: in terms of the WoT
fluffypony: and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password
prestonbanks: i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe
prestonbanks: avoiding maidsafe like the plague
kakobrekla: and get in the wot
fluffypony: prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway
prestonbanks: going from one reference to the next
prestonbanks: a lot of them
moiety: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/apr/25/tony-blair-cassetteboy-video-mashup-bloomberg-speech amyone seen this?
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated.
jurov: HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it
xdotcomm_: you miss the sock puppet show
jurov: HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line?
decimation: or the germ cells?
mircea_popescu: ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil.
mircea_popescu: People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They dont realise that ideas are also a source of evil.
mircea_popescu: [An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC banned songs. We just dont play them, he said.
mircea_popescu: At least Ill be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge. Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeares play in South Africa
mircea_popescu: I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. Its just that we were the only two with university degrees.
mircea_popescu: the mack lol.
mircea_popescu: hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ?
mircea_popescu: When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor, he said. We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only we decided that they should not look at the screen.
mircea_popescu: aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips
decimation: Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic
mircea_popescu: 7. Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekors theatre division, told me this week.
mircea_popescu: guish them from people who originate from Europe. Cape Times, 19
mircea_popescu: 5. Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Unions other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words European and non-European will be replaced by the words Whites and Non-Whites over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue and the exit by tending to use doors that seem to distin
fluffypony: you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k
mircea_popescu: well... that's exactly what they were neh
mircea_popescu: Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass."
ThickAsThieves: yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site
mircea_popescu: ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands.
ThickAsThieves: notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort
mircea_popescu: one of the advantages of trilema : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source
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mircea_popescu: some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge its members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media."
ThickAsThieves: "We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar."
fluffypony: "Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "
ThickAsThieves: "If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. "
mircea_popescu: otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur.
mircea_popescu: before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble.
mircea_popescu: "Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. "
mircea_popescu: <bounce> and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference
bounce: "jewish", you heard the man
HeySteve: I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such
HeySteve: it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party
HeySteve: ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day
bounce: and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe
fluffypony: as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994
fluffypony: HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups
HeySteve: fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule
fluffypony: HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.
HeySteve: fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted
fluffypony: - PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981
fluffypony: "The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”
ThickAsThieves: i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic
thestringpuller: Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned...
ThickAsThieves: your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist
fluffypony: oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed,
ThickAsThieves: lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article
fluffypony: bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)
thestringpuller: then how deep can your roots really go?
decimation: the time away from home is irretrievable
mircea_popescu: i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner.
ThickAsThieves: yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the trilema article too ?
kakobrekla: yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole.
ThickAsThieves: i broke the book cover btw
kakobrekla: meh, nothing to read on the forum
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one.
jurov: yes i saw..not very good pillow either
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me.
decimation: In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them.
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch /// check out my new footer logo! http://devilsadvocate.biz/
mircea_popescu: this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem
bounce: to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*)
mircea_popescu: with the men wanting to talk loudly.
mircea_popescu: in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard
fluffypony: I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts
fluffypony: but those guys that want to work hard are the minority
fluffypony: bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else
bounce: (don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!)
bounce: anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know.
mircea_popescu: in fact, no WC in the world would be as close.
fluffypony: and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that
mircea_popescu: i bet you they are.
kakobrekla: logs arent the magic cure
fluffypony: decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise
mircea_popescu: ie, send them to work camps
mircea_popescu: and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth
decimation: well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts
mircea_popescu: they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year.
fluffypony: and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?
mircea_popescu: look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny
mircea_popescu: <bounce> hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude.
fluffypony: or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done
fluffypony: sorry traffic lights, we call them robots
fluffypony: plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys
fluffypony: and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves
fluffypony: at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)
fluffypony: what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers
fluffypony: bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space
bounce: hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally?
fluffypony: pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)
mircea_popescu: how accurate would you say the backdrop is ?
fluffypony: yes - the book is also excellent
mircea_popescu: you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie.
fluffypony: and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out
fluffypony: so I think the over-correction is normalising
mircea_popescu: the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.
fluffypony: it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm
mircea_popescu: decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out.
decimation: they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized
mircea_popescu: basically... they've got africa back to 1700.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch.
fluffypony: and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree
decimation: Liberia was the old American dream
fluffypony: where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"
fluffypony: so then you have a brain-drain situation
decimation: absolutely. SA is now living the American dream
mircea_popescu: the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time.
fluffypony: also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job
decimation: just like in the US
fluffypony: it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy
fluffypony: and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard
mircea_popescu: whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority
decimation: well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out
fluffypony: black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance
mircea_popescu: decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority
fluffypony: decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"
mircea_popescu: this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film
decimation: what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business?
fluffypony: which leads to the company imploding, obviously
fluffypony: but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest
fluffypony: and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.
fluffypony: for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it goes further though
bounce: it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid.
mircea_popescu: but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter
fluffypony: the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6
mircea_popescu: i get the concept
fluffypony: they seem reasonably content
fluffypony: you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you become friends with them
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do.
decimation: in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all
bounce: "rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite
ThickAsThieves: SatoshiJack.com Casino link added to therealaltcoin.org, thread updated as well!