the20year: It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations
mrstickball: Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct
BingoBoingo: Or other persons
BingoBoingo: a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.
the20year: is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?
mrstickball: yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?
BingoBoingo: There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.
benkay: the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.
benkay: yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.
BingoBoingo: the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.
mrstickball: BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?
BingoBoingo: the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others
mike_c: <+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC
benkay: yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.
the20year: with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it
ThickAsThieves: <+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it
fluffypony: the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people
benkay: I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .
BingoBoingo: the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick
the20year: You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc
BingoBoingo: the20year: for srs has no one trust in you?
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
ThickAsThieves: what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?
benkay: the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.
ThickAsThieves: !down the20year
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benkay: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
fluffypony: the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself
fluffypony: the20year: it's not about a "high" rating
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assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: !up the20year
fluffypony: bounce: they sound special
bounce: my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.
bounce: yeah that's the +110
fluffypony: the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange
bounce: there's?
bounce: oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.
fluffypony: bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.
bounce: I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money
ThickAsThieves: even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist
ThickAsThieves: bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.
kakobrekla: fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.
bounce: re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?
mike_c: but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id. then affiliates can use it in their advertising.
kakobrekla: on a side point , the site is quite lightweight
bounce: *iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange".
mike_c: yeah, that would work. the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).
kakobrekla: you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?
kakobrekla checks the log
fluffypony: and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer
ThickAsThieves: well it at least means the vertical might actually exist
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: through the bond offering
ThickAsThieves: they borrow money here
ThickAsThieves: in order to keep the money overseas to avoid tax
bounce: because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?
ThickAsThieves: thats like excactly the price
gribble: Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds
ThickAsThieves: (i assume someone verified they did?)
ThickAsThieves: interesting that they filed at all
fluffypony: "Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations. With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."
random_cat_: too bad halfreward does not mention the block number
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/29/skillbridge-is-racing-to-become-the-freelance-consultants-marketplace/ in regards to having a "bitcoin freelance.com" how might that differ from freelance.com and the like simply accepting bitcoin? to ONLY accept bitcoin?
ThickAsThieves: "A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid
random_cat_: the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?
random_cat_: ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur
ThickAsThieves: hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law
fluffypony: so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."
Naphex: the syntax in lisp is just brilliant
Apocalyptic: can you ask him if he's the HZV Stalker ?
Apocalyptic: I mean THE Stalker ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform thought you'd enjoy your views on Lisp being confirmed by the South African netsec community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WAEfFWvp
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."
punkman: I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago
mircea_popescu: fluffypony set it for the world, it's a good utility.
mircea_popescu: call it the deadobinator.
fluffypony: if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices
mircea_popescu: the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving
mircea_popescu: rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."
mircea_popescu: "My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said Im the CEO of this public company and Im about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock. That is without question material, non-public info
cazalla: mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: cazalla mind quoting the brief mention ?
mircea_popescu: why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!
mircea_popescu: holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input
mircea_popescu: decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.
mircea_popescu: decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
HeySteve: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/29/litecoin_hardware_spells_the_end_for_graphics_card_mining/
fluffypony: I saw it in the log but got busy
decimation: Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''
TestingUnoDosTre: isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>
decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI
decimation: http://www.businessweek.com/1989-94/pre88/b31571.htm Cray's parents nurtured his sharp, voracious mind. His father stocked a basement laboratory with chemistry sets and radio gear and permitted young Seymour to tinker into the wee hours.
TestingUnoDosTre: that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea
decimation: I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world. Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.
decimation: One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)
decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals vs. corporations: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a274ed18-760a-42ed-b7be-b17bb0f63d54
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benkay: welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?
asciilifeform: as in, how you can tell that a fellow's a russian even if he lives in new york, never once mentions russia, writes in 'the king's english', etc.
asciilifeform: so far, reading these has taught me that 'hipster' is something approaching an ethnic group
mircea_popescu: (hyperbola and word salad is the cracked.com recipe)
asciilifeform: fellow's a crackpot, but the entertaining kind.
mircea_popescu: heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.
benkay: well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?
mircea_popescu: ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."
mircea_popescu: "I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig
mircea_popescu: i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.
mircea_popescu: nah, the entire assemblage collapsed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor << soviet school of display repair! werks for me!
ozbot: Me and the NSA
mircea_popescu: ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.
mircea_popescu: " The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."
benkay: i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard
benkay: "So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."
dexX7: well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?
pankkake: and the online documentation is wrong in some places
Duffer1: there we go
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ThickAsThieves: how does bet prove they have HIV?
benkay: anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.
benkay: no seriously the kids need to play with something
ThickAsThieves: the site writing about how altcoins must die
ThickAsThieves: ah bitstein is part of the misescircle.org
jurov: ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge
asciilifeform: let's saw this bridge into little bits of scrap and all make plows. so what if they're... softer than the ground
gribble: Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace>; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward>; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: <http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/greatleap.htm>
kakobrekla: well fuck me if it does then
cgcardona_: shit it can buy them that today
asciilifeform: on the secret 'black bitbet,' 'for BadBets Only,' let's bet that the coin will walk away before being parcelled out.
kakobrekla: so they are doing something into nothing.
mircea_popescu: it's really not so bad an idea. certainly the best thing mit is currently doing for its students' future.
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
bitcoinpete: bitstein: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
mircea_popescu: then get gpg going on a secure system and get registered with gribble.
gribble: FAQ - Freenode: <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml>; freenode: using the network: <http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml>; How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures): <http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode>
cgcardona_: probably been hashed over a thousand times but thoughts on the MIT $100 worth of btc per student news?
ozbot: Anarchist Protestors Blocked Uber Cars in the Streets of Seattle
asciilifeform: http://valleywag.gawker.com/anarchist-protestors-blocked-uber-cars-in-the-streets-o-1568739346
benkay: ooh and what happened to the nominal doxxing of satoshi nakamoto?
benkay: hey BingoBoingo what was the computer you smoked trying to get a 4096 bit key on?
mircea_popescu: bitstein aha. get in the wot.
bitstein: Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/
mircea_popescu: there;s nothing in that graph
bitcoinpete: "Men who live in unhealthy countries find the faces of masculine women more attractive http://econ.st/1tZUwnZ pic.twitter.com/zzJx5awpPa"
princess-nell: i for one welcome the purges
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there << recall the original michael moore piece ?
bitcoinpete: gotta crack some eggs on the kid
bitcoinpete: he's all "there's no place for racism"
bitcoinpete: having a fun dm convo with my little bro about the clippers dude.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: i bet princess-nell loved this commenter "Thanks. Very impressive and insightful, especially coming from a woman. Libertarian chicks are always the hottest."
asciilifeform: also looks like that city has a law permitting landlords to revoke leases in order to sell the land
ThickAsThieves: well they arent actually local right
princess-nell: they don't like "silicon valley" generally
ThickAsThieves: just blame all things down the path
ThickAsThieves: why do they stop at google?
ThickAsThieves: ah yes, she mentions the Chamber of Commerce too
ThickAsThieves: we have "economic development councils" in the local counties, which seem to mostly serve sending employees on trips and making studies that show how other people's work is their own somehow
asciilifeform: ^ same woman, on the 'google bus war'
mircea_popescu: @anjiecast. http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/ this chick.
ThickAsThieves: it's the coelho in me
ThickAsThieves: i like it when things comke together
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: so go to amsterdam. why visit the wankatronics experts?
ThickAsThieves: i'll ask any of them whatever as long as it doesnt get me jailed and is an honest question
ThickAsThieves: cuz i like amsterdam, wouldnt mind some offtime to write uo a bizplan, and i like putting people on the spor
princess-nell: and you want more people to move there?
ThickAsThieves: (the amsterdam conf)
mircea_popescu: a stupid reason as any other. well, anyway : who do you know that can rack muck ? can you get a team together ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?
asciilifeform: mike_c - he might discover that the 100m belong to the crown, which now owns his arse, and not to himself
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's the idea, spend it all on litigation first.
mircea_popescu: "But Teitelman came off as being at once knowledgeable and approachable. He didnt exude any of the dysfunctional Lisp-programmer type attitudes at all. (Not that anyone else did
.)"
ozbot: Lisp50 Notes part V: Interlisp, PARC, and the Common Lisp Consolidation Wars | Learning Lisp
asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (Hed been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) How many bugs are we going to tolerate? he demanded. Seven, Teitelman shot back.'
asciilifeform: http://lispy.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/lisp50-notes-part-v-interlisp-parc-and-the-common-lisp-consolidation-wars
mircea_popescu: what am i, the eight ball ?
mircea_popescu: guy's got what, 100mn to blow ? rhather than leave it to charity...
CheckDavid: "The manual labor your slaves are capable of with the sweat and tears they excrete is the only true measure of wealth" -- Mircea Popescu - 1998
mircea_popescu: like... you want a war ? you got a war. sue each and every single person involved at any level with the nba, independently.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: supreme court << eh, i'd rather sit on a 'troika'
mike_c: mircea_popescu: nba owner is banned from attending games (even his own), and can't participate in league business. they are trying to get him to "relinquish" his ownership, whatever that means.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was a sudden hit at one point that made 90% of it tho
ThickAsThieves: i'd like ascii on the supreme court
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i just acquired a coupla, you seen the f.mpif ?
mircea_popescu: there's something very satisfying about serving, too. especially people you deeply respect and otherwise adore.
mircea_popescu: well they start as idiotic webizens, exactly where you'd expect the average twennysomething to find herself.
ThickAsThieves: are your slaves also your maids n shit, or do they live their own lives with careers and such?
mircea_popescu: there are many edges to it, it's not strictly the sensuous pleasure of getting caned.
mircea_popescu: so she's been bad, she gets spanked, it closes off the experience and she doesn't have to continue beating herself up for it, for instance.
ThickAsThieves: is this the same context i should apply to your slaving?
ThickAsThieves: so i get it a lil better then
ThickAsThieves: but i was isolating the beating
ThickAsThieves: is the beating only sexual?
mircea_popescu: if you'll pardon the pun.
mircea_popescu: you figure you'd have a pow wow with the girl about this ?
mircea_popescu: suppose you couldn't come. i mean you got all the parts, and fucking is fun, just, you don't splooge.