akstunt600: haave been using melt or diff depending on how mig the src trees are, any other recommendations
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BingoBoingo: ;;google geany gpg thedrinkingrecord
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: Geany, the Text Editor/IDE is great
BingoBoingo: There are better cross platform tools than GPA if you need GPG.
BingoBoingo: No they don't.
akstunt600: Why others need it
akstunt600: yeah like even to decrypt pub key encrypted messages it was awkward, like that main window should have been the spot to drag and drop msgs to encrypt/decrypt
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: Well, the thing is it isn't a deep commandline exercise at all. It's just one where the GUI's hide the good options.
ThickAsThieves: grats on the MPIF kickoff
akstunt600: So at least i know the orkflow
BingoBoingo: I prolly should have paused to word more carefully, but really the CLI is the only way I've found to adequately keygen with the right options
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: All of the GUI tools I tried for Key generation suck by restricting options.
BingoBoingo: It is neigh impossible to do good GPG key generation off of the commandline
akstunt600: the gpa gtk app
asciilifeform: can't say i relish the idea of attention
asciilifeform: i confess that i had 'bourbaki' thoughts even when climbing off the plane.
asciilifeform: this is the kind of thought that makes me wonder, perhaps i'm already in the wood chipper, it just isn't switched on yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is still getting the 'are you the gurl' questions. wonder what kind of animal i'll be, in the imagination of audience.
kakobrekla: but but their logo, its so professional.
csshih: why is it that everyone I've sold btc/hardware to has done all the right things and is now wealthy
JorgePasada: in the meantime, work needs doing
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: I see, I think I'm blurring the lines and blending two separate discussions together. I'll re-read that post later, think about it and get back to you when i've got a more concise version of what it is I'm trying to say.
mircea_popescu: then you're discussing time.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: What about how an individual chooses to allocate their time?t
BingoBoingo: And when the time tuns out you probably won't be able to again until someone gives you voice again
JorgePasada: Then again, I'm probably a crazy person :-)
JorgePasada: We're in agreement almost completely. Figuring out the almost is interesting though, and productive. Being wrong is the only way to learn, and if I'm wrong I'd like to know sooner rather than later.
JorgePasada: Yep, and I agree with all of it, especially when applied to the market or any kind of aggregate group. I just think I might have some differing opinions when it comes to the individual level. Trying to think them out and find a better way to articulate what exactly it is I'm thinking.
mircea_popescu: that's the entire point there, to push economy from its current state of shamanism and alchemy to actual science.
mircea_popescu: its niot like the patient "hath brought pox upon himself, for his sins" or anything.
mircea_popescu: medicine, the actual kind, was born once people finally realised intent don't enter into it,
mircea_popescu: the notion that intent is economically relevant is in no way different from proposing it be medically relevant
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada useful, if you want ot marry them. not economically .
JorgePasada: The thing people forget is you're always analyzing intent through, at minimum, two very subjective biased filters. 1) Your perspective 2) Their Actions.
JorgePasada: I'd agree with the statement intentions are worthless in general, and always when applied to the aggregate.
mircea_popescu: GS: words against him are isolating? what about the words he said?"
mircea_popescu: "BP: discrimination is to say that something is apart from other things. The words and actions against him are isolating, hence discriminatory
JorgePasada: So, then I guess a follow up. Would you say intent has any relevance at all in economics?
JorgePasada: the intent is at best a guessing game
JorgePasada: either way the point remains that all the further down the chain you can quantify is the pattern
JorgePasada: That's another way of saying the same thing, or maybe it's the next step down the chain
mircea_popescu: "if being rich doesnt buy you freedom of speech, youre rich in the wrong place and at the wrong time." << not bad.
mircea_popescu: more like the preminence of pattern over intent.
JorgePasada: the subjectivity of value
JorgePasada: The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing
mircea_popescu: "makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing
mircea_popescu: i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.
JorgePasada: Explain further on that comment
JorgePasada: It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.
ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 << this sense.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.
mircea_popescu: same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.
mircea_popescu: look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.
mike_c: it was some good quotes from the trial though.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"
mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.
mike_c: re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.
mike_c: yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?
mircea_popescu: in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."
mircea_popescu: i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something
mircea_popescu: remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".
mircea_popescu: let the coin write its own history, what.
mike_c: "every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.
mircea_popescu: a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.
mircea_popescu: "profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,
mircea_popescu: atc is handling it way better than the average.
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.
ozbot: The Morality Police in Your Checking Account: Chase Bank Shuts Down Accounts of Adult Entertainers |
mircea_popescu: mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database
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Naphex: thats the joke ;]
Naphex: well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.
mircea_popescu: the curse of success.
joecool: BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.
joecool: BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there
mircea_popescu: my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.
BingoBoingo: I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.
joecool: it's the hipster way
joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing
joecool: mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names
BingoBoingo: Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate
fluffypony: "I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."
fluffypony: "They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.
mircea_popescu: everyone wants to fucking push the rope.
mircea_popescu: the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.
asciilifeform: shards of the true cross.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange
mircea_popescu: what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.
mircea_popescu: joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah
BingoBoingo: Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.
mircea_popescu: that apparently only they know about.
mircea_popescu: ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition
BingoBoingo: ^^ the20year mrstickball
asciilifeform: which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'
asciilifeform: i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.
JorgePasada: the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation
JorgePasada: Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory
JorgePasada: Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony explain the idea to me.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting
ThickAsThieves: i ended up ditching the peers too
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!
fluffypony: JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)
mircea_popescu: or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt
fluffypony: JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy
JorgePasada: I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.
ThickAsThieves: all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo
mircea_popescu: plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.
asciilifeform: damned if i know, ask the client.
asciilifeform: some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once
asciilifeform: there's a 'fetish component'
ThickAsThieves: "In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."
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mircea_popescu: there it is.
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mircea_popescu: ooo look at all the blinking lights
punkman: how big is the namecoin blockchain now?
punkman: isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?
fluffypony: domain hacks are all the rage
asciilifeform: keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right
mike_c: pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.
mike_c: yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.
mike_c: these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/
benkay: should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?
ThickAsThieves: well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now
fluffypony: how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?
mike_c: yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.
fluffypony: so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that
mike_c: one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.
fluffypony: but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much
fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?
ThickAsThieves: maybe we start the Altcoin Foundation
mike_c: well, mining is a PITA. I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.
BingoBoingo: With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network
mod6: on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.
mike_c: hands-off management might not be the answer here :)
mike_c: so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.
mike_c: and could result in the same problem happenning again
mike_c: now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high
mike_c: well, price support is nice. but it seems that can lead to what just happened. that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.
thestringpuller: i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet
mike_c: indeed. I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.
ThickAsThieves: or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."
ThickAsThieves: it's funny considering the price has gone up
fluffypony: "I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"
ThickAsThieves: yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +
ThickAsThieves: there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc
FabianB: is it on any of the switchpools?
mike_c: so who is fucking with ATC? mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off. stupid pool hoppers.
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ThickAsThieves: well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point
ThickAsThieves: my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys
akstunt600: However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea
Naphex: plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around
akstunt600: yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two
akstunt600: I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++
akstunt600: i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin
daybyter: it's an exchange then.
daybyter: the bot can create a web UI for server mode.
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Naphex: boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) / whatever
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midnightmagic: thestringpuller: hah sounds like qpass
thestringpuller: Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java
thestringpuller: because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle
daybyter: the same code.
Naphex: thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole
thestringpuller: You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but the runtime...
BingoBoingo: The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.
BingoBoingo: Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.
ThickAsThieves: costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "
ThickAsThieves: "The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court
fluffypony: "move the mouse to generate entropy"
bounce: where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting. and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.
ozbot: Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future
ThickAsThieves: http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
asciilifeform: from the circus:
punkman: Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age 14. does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and Samsung.
punkman: kakobrekla: http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1017866/darkmarket-the-silk-road-successor-police-cant-shut-down/
Apocalyptic: kako, gotta love the Amir
punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"
benkay: the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?
the20year: I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990