mircea_popescu: fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo" << so what happened, her two boyfriends took you around town to party ?
mircea_popescu: equally, and equal to the entire pot.
asciilifeform: FreeBSD << obligatorily mumbles, 'don't blame the mice.'
mircea_popescu: meanwhile yes, they are killing in my logs.
pankkake: no one should, but that's not the point :)
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls << yeah, because to the idiot everything that he doesn't grok is dirty.
mircea_popescu: pankkake so they like to think.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about some shitty us corps already, jesus christ on a popsicle.
mircea_popescu: i will burn apple and facebook in urine before i give up the url.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck perhaps.
mircea_popescu: "Perhaps URLs are just destined to be an implementation detail that the next generation of users wont even know exists. Maybe I was crazy to think that URLs were a permanent part of our culture. Still, Ill miss the damn things. Lets pour one out for the URL."
mircea_popescu: "I've been a few months there and no problem. If only they allowed btc/usd trading..." uh color me fucking confused. isn't that EXACTLY what bit4x does ?
mircea_popescu: someone not reading the logs is making a conscious and deliberate move.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders << that is an option the shareholders take on their own backs.
pankkake: I don't think OpenBSD has the same, and nor does Linux of course
mircea_popescu: who wrote their own tcp stack ? netbsd ?
pankkake: and the many OSes which copied that TCP stack
fluffypony: lol, pankkake, someone commented on that - "INB4 Technology blogs think they're clever naming this FreeBleed."
pankkake: so today's big news is that zuckerberg drops the hoodie
numerisTrade: nevertheless, it's true that we're still learning
mircea_popescu: the specialisation isn't really all that important.
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's more of a "go to college my son, not so you can do great things, but so you may understand why the men doing great things are laughing at you, and laugh with them."
pankkake: I would have to agree on economists being inept at business. not that it's bad, they can be good economists, it's just another domain
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade if you'll stand the statement, i'll say that this has been an illuminating exercise as to the value of higher education. while you're a trained economist and the average forum dweller is a highschool drop-out, you and them are both about equally inept in business. the one difference is that your higher training allows you to understand what i say, and their lack of education denies them same.
mircea_popescu: whether the bridge is built well or badly is not related to whether it currently rains
mircea_popescu: pankkake the x.eur has the advantage that being supported by push txn and exchange sigs, you can enter into derivative gpg contracts of infinite complexity and actual otc quality on its basis.
numerisTrade: returning for the while to the competition issue, currently, the main problem is the volume, not too tight competition, as I believe
mircea_popescu: preventing such a fate for bitcoin, for instance, has been 90% of all the work of 2012 and 2013
mircea_popescu: and a wrong side, where mostly the blacks were quartered.
mircea_popescu: it's an us idiom. old style (esp southern) towns had a "right side of the tracks", where respectable people lived
numerisTrade: obviously, we're scammed, then :) by the way, thanks for pointing the stakeholder issue
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what strategic planning for businesses is : "foreseeing" these problems and addressing them.
mircea_popescu: that is, what if all the good business flocks to one and all the scammers to the other ?
mircea_popescu: you can easily end up with the traintracks problem
mircea_popescu: and the unrepresented risk you have here is that if there's two slightly different products addressing roughly the same market,
mircea_popescu: well that is also a point of strategic failure. because competition it is, definitely : one wanting to short btc can either buy euros for delivery on bc at his option, or enter in your cfd.
mircea_popescu: well technically yours is not otc either, it's on ripple.
mircea_popescu: moving on : how do you expect to compete with stuff like x.eur (which also gets no volume worth the mention, come to think of it)
mircea_popescu: the sort that are surprising to everyone except you know, businessmen.
mircea_popescu: but if you fail to even identify them, that's a strategic failure. failure to talk to them compounds operational failure on top of strategic failure and is how "surprises" happen
mircea_popescu: you gotta be able to identify all your stakeholders, and you gotta have at least talked to them.
mircea_popescu: no, whether you went to whoever runs bitstamp and said, "hey, this is what we plan to do, do you see any problems and can we rely on you for it."
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, you're right. But there aren't many other possibilities to take collateral
mircea_popescu: then... it went away one day.
mircea_popescu: then again, goxusd used to be a thing.
mircea_popescu: pankkake because nobody gave a shit yet because they have bigger fires to put out because nobody uses ripple.
numerisTrade: I can convert to TheRock, but if this is locked as well...
mircea_popescu: well, did you check this product you're offering with them ?
pankkake: well, you can sell/transfer on ripple… actually, ripple is doing the money laundering for bitstamp
numerisTrade: then I have a problem
numerisTrade: it's the bitstamp IOU. I redeem it at bitstamp and exchange to BTC
mircea_popescu: ok i have to say that is the most obnoxiously stupid thing i heard all year. wtf.
numerisTrade: the purpose of it is to be withdrawable from bitstamp et alia
mircea_popescu: for instance : i would prefer to go live with the goddess of fuck than with some boastful hipster that ~is destined to fail and die~.
mircea_popescu: pankkake i know right ? an even split turns through the meta ear of humanity into an 99.99999% - 0% split. goes to show just how cultivated your average human alive is.
numerisTrade: I know, I know. It's just that we didn't want to focus on the website at first
pankkake: at least it's not the new style blogspot that requires javascript
mircea_popescu: numerisTrade how do you take the collateral ?
numerisTrade: by the way, would you like to comment the repo trades we offer? http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html
gribble: Fólkvangr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3lkvangr>; Death in Norse paganism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism>; Norse Mythology | Locations in Scandinavia & Germantic Countries: <http://www.viking-mythology.com/locations.php>
fluffypony: "Was one of the operators, got hit by a bus"
fluffypony: if at any time you sell the company / leave / die / whatever that rating could be updated to reflect that
fluffypony: personalnick1 rates numerisTrade "I am one of the operators of numerisTrade", numerisTrade rates personalnick1 "This is one of the operators of this service"
gribble: You rated user magicaltux on Thu Feb 27 08:13:53 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: ate all the coins.
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user karpeles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=karpeles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=karpeles | Rated since: never
numerisTrade: thanks, fluffypony, great idea! should the numerisTrade WoT account be able to rate personalnick_i as well?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mtgox: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mtgox | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mtgox | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:39 2010
fluffypony: you for the interaction.
fluffypony: numerisTrade: ok here's an idea - you have a mutual note in the WoT from personalnick1 to numerisTrade saying that personalnick1 is a representative of the company. same goes for personalnick2. because the WoT is meant to be interpreted and not viewed as a cumulative score or whatever, anyone trading with you can be told to check the numerisTrade WoT. once the trade is complete you can ask them to rate numerisTrade for the business and rate
mircea_popescu: fluffypony of all the people i know that lost their cockthread thing whatever you call it, all lost it to a puckered butthole.
mircea_popescu: pankkake well you could have made an arrangement with anyone with an acct in the interim i guess, but srsly : you won't conceivably be locked out of shares, so. nothing to worry about on that score.
pankkake: though I wasn't there after, it wouldn't have mattered, since coinbr seems to be manual in every way
mircea_popescu: so far it was selling excitedly at ~1% over nav, then panacea announced losses and it chilled.
fluffypony: numerisTrade: there's a solution somewhere in this, I'm just too buggered to figure it out atm :)
numerisTrade: fluffypony, the separate IRC session is understandable, but wouldn't it be more difficult to assign trust to numerisTrade, it being some sort of different entity?
mircea_popescu: i can destroy all the shares, and will if price diverges under.
pankkake: I want to buy some before there's nothing left, for one?
pankkake: I'm surprised a date wouldn't announced in advance either
numerisTrade: mircea_popescu, the business is just starting, according to your MPOE-PR tutorial. Currently we're experimenting with repo trading / secured loans
mircea_popescu: otherwise, 40 years later...
mircea_popescu: this is why you do not negotiate, and you do not stop until the enemy is destroyed. not just dead, destroyed.
fluffypony: numerisTrade: separate WoT ratings, after a few ratings will it matter? alternatively, leave the numerisTrade nick for trading, and have another IRC session in your personal capacity :)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the twitter lolzfarm :
numerisTrade: fluffypony, how to arraange it when two people are engaged? separate WoT ratings? But its the business that should be rated...
fluffypony: he could always nominate someone else to sell for him (and note that in the WoT)
mircea_popescu: "Obama joins a high-powered group of celebs to emphasize the vital role men play in preventing sexual assault " < i had no idea presidents are celebrities nao.
fluffypony: he has an iTradeBTC account that, in theory, anyone could manage
fluffypony: numerisTrade: why not just do it the way GlooBoy does?
mircea_popescu: well tell him that this nick can speak here on the strength of it being used by you, so he shouldn't muck it up.
mircea_popescu: you're the wywial fellow aren't you ?
mircea_popescu: im curious how many in the "press" will be calling this a default, and how many will be derping about how it's really just antiracism and ecology.
fluffypony: from now on I'm going to provide measurements "to the nearest poppyseed, may be off by a few twips"
mircea_popescu: sible results of this consciously inflicted partial federal default could include mass dumping of bonds by jittery holders, a rise in the rate the government pays for debt service, and undermining the dollars status as the worlds reserve currency."
mircea_popescu: "In less than three months the Department of the Treasury will start trimming payments on portions of the $17.3 trillion-plus national debt, with unpredictable and unstudied consequences. Acting in violation of legal commitments to purchasers, the Department will chop 30% from interest payments due some foreign holders of hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars worth of Treasury securities. Pos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr 3 07:04:18 2014
fluffypony: 1. if you go into business with someone who is a good friend there's a high probability of fucking up the friendship, regardless of the outcome of the business venture
fluffypony: the two lessons I learnt from that were:
fluffypony: meh, I've never bought into the "do what you love" bullshit
mircea_popescu: this is by no means either a prediction or novel.
fluffypony: "I think the model will change and you won’t pay for the window of availability. A movie will come out and you will have 17 days, that’s exactly three weekends, which is 95% of the revenue for 98% of movies. On the 18th day, these movies will be available everywhere ubiquitously and you will pay for the size. A movie screen will be $15. A 75” TV will be $4.00. A smartphone will be $1.99."
ozbot: Jeffrey Katzenberg Predicts 3-Week Theatrical Window in Future | Variety
fluffypony: http://variety.com/2014/film/news/jeffrey-katzenberg-predicts-3-week-theatrical-window-in-future-1201166052/
fluffypony: pankkake: you can't buy it on mpex either yet
punkman: Google probably does the best conversion
fluffypony: I may just go straight to deving on the server
fluffypony: so there's no pkg-config .pc for it
fluffypony: conveniently it was when I decided that the whole "Internet marketing" thing was bullshit and it'd be better to sell products and ebooks and "systems" to the IM guys than do it myself
fluffypony: punkman: why not use the door?
punkman: had to climb the long way into my house, good thing I had left a window open
BingoBoingo: moiety: The penguins are happy.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe they knew things were wrong. Probably also why they didn't take you to North City,
fluffypony: well I suppose they didn't think to take me there since, you know, coming from Africa and all that
moiety: what happened with the ukraine zoo that ran out of food and meds btw
BingoBoingo: Then again fluffypony maybe your guides sucked
BingoBoingo: Yeah, crown Candy is the best.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, good food definitely wasn't on their priority list of "cool places to show Riccardo"
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Those are chain places. Crown Candy is how the Polaks keeps the Nigs sated.
moiety: why not BB? rugby does just fine without the helmets and cushions that your football has :P
fluffypony: and Cheesecake Factory (which surprisingly, to me at least, looked nothing like the one in Big Bang Theory)
fluffypony: they dragged me to places like Outback Steakhouse and Cracker Barrel
fluffypony: yeah definitely didn't go there
gribble: Crown Candy Kitchen | Malts & Shakes | Soda Fountain and Candy ...: <http://crowncandykitchen.net/>; Crown Candy Kitchen - Old North Saint Louis - Saint Louis, MO | Yelp: <http://www.yelp.com/biz/crown-candy-kitchen-saint-louis>; Crown Candy Kitchen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Candy_Kitchen>
moiety: yous just took rounders, threw a bunch of hats and padding on the players and called it baseball
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Cause they could smell you are a spy.
fluffypony: needless to say there wasn't
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: just before I met my wife I dated a girl in St. Louis for 6 months, she was here on holiday and we fell for each other, so after 5 months of long distance I went over there for a month to see if there was something there
BingoBoingo: moiety: Boo. May Brandon Phillips just have a heart attack on the field.
moiety: i've been being trained to follow the reds
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I hear he's homeless and sleeping on couches these days
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: My world series team hasn't brnt through coaches, and who knows... Maybe Matheney will quit
moiety: BingoBoingo: yeah scotland are just that bad, they never get anywhere
fluffypony: South Africa will make it nowhere because the Bafana Bafana cave under pressure
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: the only African team that's been doing well-ish recently is the Ivory Coast team, I think they'll make it to the quarters before being knocked out
BingoBoingo: STFU: Cardinal for world series. African (somewhere there) for world cup.
moiety: football hooligans trailing the world cup + osama bin laden lookalike that sells alcohol, what can possibly go wrong
bitcoinpete: i'd go back to rio in a heartbeat. it's europe for the new world
moiety: speaking of bar...have you heard about those bin laden themed bars in brazil?
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: though it's not a bad thing if it prevent simple phishing attacks by calling out the actual domain in use
BingoBoingo: Oh, Bar Rescue has to be the best show for baptising people to Bitcoin.
moiety: i don't take arguments anymore, i just get rid of people that think they "have a case" where they do not
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: i could see people who aren't writers/thinkers being perfectly ok with the "cleanliness" of buried urls
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell bitcoinpete that "Burying the URL" article was interesting, Safari on OS X has been stripping GET vars from view for ages (they become visible when you're editing the URL)
BingoBoingo: Customer means try to eat the best findable shit, because you can't grow beef.
bitcoinpete: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/14/sick_of_trading_pigs_oil_and_wheat_how_about_cloud/ <<cloud commodities!
moiety: asciilifeform: i have a new manul and ive forgotten the translation already http://www.kotomet.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/manul0_preview.jpg
Duffer1: thanks for the recommendation btw, he's got a lot of award winning shorts, i'll prioritize those in my list
Duffer1: diaspora was the first of his work i've encountered and i instantly became a big fan
Duffer1: they're on my list to read
ozbot: Burying the URL - Allen Pike
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Duffer1: if you can get through it though, the story of both books is worth it imo
Duffer1: and diaspora does have a bit of the ksr run ons
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Public is public, private is private. The two only meet when the later turns into the former through monthly statements or when someone solves for some activity like you did with the ask wall.
ThickAsThieves: their*
BingoBoingo: I the middle ground it gets iffy.
BingoBoingo: Some questions like what price would I have to buy back ATC for it to be a loss for the month, though I could only anser with links to interesting novelty dildos to fuck yourself with.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: As far as public forums go, the interpretation is that this is as public as it gets. You can ask clarification about statements and how that interacts with other public sources of information. Like past orderbooks.
ThickAsThieves: hmm i'm wondering if even answering is taking the conversation somewhere it shouldnt go
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement
ThickAsThieves: well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you
BingoBoingo: Like the explicit past buy wall at 100 satoshis per
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well the logs will reveal some named times.
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I saw you in the orderbook at times ;)
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i intend to analyze in the morning. i'm about to pass out. i will let you know if i pull out anything revealing.
BingoBoingo: Confession: I actually have more footnotes ready to push out than blog posts to tie them to.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'different stokes for different folks.' (me, explaining stoke's theorem to a noob)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there must be a dirty joke re emulation and strokes in there somewhere
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ? // wish granted
mircea_popescu: what are these footnotes, like car pedals ?
asciilifeform: 'the attack requires sophisticated tools to extract the encryption keys, making it practically impossible for most people.'
kakobrekla: mp sets the fashion, if i had a blog it would only be footnote but no note.
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: not sure why they should talk to me. instead, they should talk to the poor schmucks who buy the closed turd. and apologize to them.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe there are two cups and the average of the two is "half full" yet the cups can grow to greater volumes.
mike_c: benkay: yeah, other people (bitcoinpete) should take note.
benkay: wrong direction on the entropy ladder
BingoBoingo: Still never learned how to make alcohol out of coal and water, though it includes the proper ingredients.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: i invited the yubikey kids here for your amusement https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/461633158836789248
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada <JorgePasada> That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with? << why the fuck do you think i dragged your ass in here?
asciilifeform: (cookbook being entirely wrong term here - they studiously avoid teaching how to prepare anything useful in actuality)
bitcoinpete: never did get the grignard reaction to fly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I never took American uni Ochem. Now... without any uni Ochem I sat on most of the PharmD curriculum. Secret is... TA while doing gradschool in an unrelated field
benkay: good luck learning anything but how to memorize the pretty pictures.
asciilifeform: i highly recommend against (american) uni for undergrad ochem. there, it is used as a 'weedout' test for pre-med kids
benkay: anything, the20year ?
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
benkay: <JorgePasada> mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is" << DO YOU HEAR THIS the20year ?
benkay: asciilifeform: i would too, were the school of hard knocks so much more to my taste.
benkay: no i did not because mechanical engineering in the us apparently doesn't care about ochem
BingoBoingo: benkay: So you know how there are alcohols that aren't proper ETOH?
benkay: no wait i'm still dumb about the fusile alcohols
kakobrekla: ah that thing benkay , well you know, you can still use the long version !bash $n ;)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the bloomberg terminal? and it's tracking kraken?? nice.
BingoBoingo: benkay: It gets you all of the nice fusile alcohols, for a better hangover
benkay: kakobrekla: the infernal space between !b and how many
BingoBoingo: Corn has the high protein content necessary for whiskey distillery
BingoBoingo: benkay: Wheat is the best thing in history, next to corn
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Did you see that I posted the ATC trading's first statement stripped of comments?
mike_c: panacea is back in the game! JD's worst month was -24%.
BingoBoingo: There have to be better sources of heat.
asciilifeform: 'Two researchers had made a diode with a very thin, heavily doped n-layer. When the diode was reverse-biased to the point of avalanche breakdown, a small fraction of the avalache electrons actually shot through the n-region and into a vacuum. They made this the e-beam source in a CRT and it worked pretty well. I am surprised that it has not, to my knowledge, made it out of the laboratory.'
mircea_popescu: benkay please bear in mind that not everyone on the interwebs is a d00d.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They can see your pieces, even their locations, but... hiding intended next locations is a must normally
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/page-22 << check out the expert herps.
asciilifeform: 'In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.' (zapp brannigan, 'futurama')
BingoBoingo: These things may become more fluid, but...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I'm wary of letting people know where I think natural Bid and Ask borders for ATC lie and what price I consider the border between sellable and buyable.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ?
BingoBoingo: With this and the ending balances of the Mid April statement, the ATC/BTC thing should be quantable, but hopefully not too quantable.
ozbot: So… History, the First ATC/BTC statement (Remember Historical) | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/30/so-history-the-first-atcbtc-statement-remember-historical/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Плюс гаванскую сигарету, / И вот ты уже - Фидель, / Ты - Че Гевара, / Автомат взамен гитары...' (http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=27610 - 'the magic of whiskey')
BingoBoingo: Yeah, if anything the limiting factor is that only 5 pcs made sense
mike_c: some profit centers could handle more than others (panacea, JD)
ThickAsThieves: til the report i was wondering if you were gonna through more btc at the managers to play with
ThickAsThieves: i like the commentary fwiw
ThickAsThieves: just the 200 or so btc and that's that
ThickAsThieves: i like the style of mpif, not too big for its britches
mike_c: i guess the market has decided on a price!
BingoBoingo: Give or take another decade
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: By online I mean plugged into the internet. Not typed into a webapp.
mircea_popescu: the site may read oyur plaintext.
kakobrekla: got a manul to the coaxing perhaps?