BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well jd and panacea have histories. I'm assuming my pc is high risk until evidence supports otherwise.
mike_c: i thought the block of 1mn that sold was you selling your shares in mpif
mircea_popescu: the logs have improved!
artifexd: Maybe read them a few times....
artifexd: Today is not a day to skimp on reading the logs.
mircea_popescu: this is a little over ideal weight imo, will trim it over time as other venues become able to absorb moar capital
mircea_popescu: so there we go. 213.15567101 btc added to f.mpif in exchange for 1mn extra shares, invested 100 into panacea and 113.15567101 into jd.
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bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: sterling's best hope is that the other owners got his back, which , maybe
bitcoinpete: "Many sick people have always been among the poetizers and God-cravers; furiously they hate the lover of knowledge and that youngest among the virtues, which is called "honesty." They always look backward toward dark ages; then, indeed, delusion and faith were another matter: the rage of reason was godlikeness, and doubt was sin." <<mas zara
decimation: I doubt he has the actual power to do s
BingoBoingo: I kind of actually hope the Sterling dude exercises ownership by abolishing the Clippers.
decimation: Well, the point is, maim (or kill one), educate one thousand
bitcoinpete: Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.
bitcoinpete: Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.
bitcoinpete: It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.
bitcoinpete: A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."
bounce calls for a law to ban reddit, for the arts!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it depends to a huge degree whose orders tho.
decimation: Of course, during republican times, if the army seriously fucked up they would have ... the decimation
mircea_popescu: well tomorrow is another day
bounce: uhm. I think I see where you're coming from but the essence/substance thing doesn't speak to me. maybe I'm tired.
mircea_popescu: bounce re figuring stuff out, the mandatory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334
mircea_popescu: it;'s not enough they aren';t fucking soldiers anymore. for their sins, they also cant have generals now.
mircea_popescu: but it also makes it impossible for them to be helped.
bounce: guys at MIT probably wouldn't make that many misteaks. they have a bit of an ethos of being bloody smart and figuring things out.
mircea_popescu: so there we have it : the cleaving between substance and essence makes it impossible for people to live,
mircea_popescu: suppose i walk into a 3rd year computer science class at mit, and proceed to make the kids do one arithmetic problem, and then once they fuck it up make them do one hundred, by hand,
bounce: hard to tell. would depend a lot on how it's sold to the troops. I'll grant doing it without selling won't buy you anything except perhaps the troops' stuff to carry too.
mircea_popescu: would he likely be loved ? or on the contrary, despised as a total fucking moron of aggregated pointless idiocy ?
mircea_popescu: because you see... suppose someone inssited they do everything old style.
mircea_popescu: by now, the soldiers are sort-of carrying 30ish lbs of crap, and it's more like "you gotta be a suycker to carry all that".
mircea_popescu: now, fast forward to caracalla. one of the least bearable emperors in history.
mircea_popescu: see ? but the greatest general the romans ever had, arguably, was loved for this very important fucking point, to the soldiers of the time :
mircea_popescu: he was popular with the troops because he carried his fucking gear.
bounce: plenty fighting, plenty loot. that sort of go-getter tends to be popular with the troops.
mircea_popescu: you essentially couldsn't get married if you didn't do well i nthe military, so italso self-selected.
bounce: by virtue of people not up to the task getting weeded out right quick
mircea_popescu: now, you know caesar was beloved by the troops ?
mircea_popescu: and each night, they dug out a castrum
mircea_popescu: which they carried, on foot, for about 30 miles a day, for weeks on end.
mircea_popescu: meh. read some classical source sometime, well worth the effort. anyway.
bounce: read the wikipedia page intro. got given a job to do, gave back the authority that came with it once job done.
mircea_popescu: you know the story of cincinnatus btw ?
mircea_popescu: cca 300 bc, the roman military consisted of citizens. they went on campaign as the field work was done, raped and pillaged, then lay down their arms and did the fields.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ok so everything is pernicious against the poor, the current system just makes is shitty for everyone else and the planet too, because poor think they can do shit
bounce: what, you're arguing against rule by the not-poor?
mircea_popescu: substantially, it's pernicious to the poor. and this is obvious.
bounce: well, are they?
mircea_popescu: bounce but the problem is the "they" in there. why should they turn off the telly or not turn off the telly ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete it happened before. it's exactly how rome looked, 100 to 500ish ad. legionaires too lazy to wear... the helmet. the cuirass was long before abandoned, and even beforer that the shield.
bounce: reduced ad absurdum, turn off the telly frees you up to get rich. yet they don't turn off the telly for have to be up to date on the soap/game/whatever for the small talk tomorrow.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i see what you mean. perhaps the welfare deal could've only happened in the new world on the back of a sizeable military victory? never before, never again
bounce: well, there's this book by a working-poor-to-riches guy that did it by working really hard and taking every opportunity (like calling the book "how you too can become a millionaire" when he's just explaining what opportunities came his way and how he used them, not really a manual but it's a bestselling title) who also notes it's often the poor that keep themselves and each other poor to, well, fit in with the rest. part of their identity.
mircea_popescu: the essence/substance distinction is not a matter subjective. what they think and represent has little import.
bitcoinpete: it's not clear to me that the essence of consumerism is anything less than substance for most
bitcoinpete: the order of a megacorp to buy a new car, new watch, granite countertops leads to busywork downstream
mircea_popescu: and busy != entertained, because the later is self-managed, the former is not. imposing upon the poor is the essence of busywork, not just that they're occupied, but that they're occupied with other's orders.
bitcoinpete: and it's set up so both achieve the same nothingness 4 years later
mircea_popescu: similar to the kid that goes to college to learn vs the kid that goes to college to get the diploma.
mircea_popescu: bounce no no, what i mean is quite this : the trannies in florida get the silicone to look a certain way. the african tribesmen get the cut to be a certain way. there's a meta level of distinction.
bounce: busy or entertained, either will do if it keeps'em from mobbing and overthrowing the ruling elite
bounce: o_O? inasmuch all of life is educational, if you believe wossname esotherics. I'd rather say it's part of being part of the group. we're social, group-minded animals.
mircea_popescu: generally they want to be cut for similar reasons to women wanting to be my slaves, it's an educational experience.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, which is what confounds the example that's prolly very clear cut to you.
bounce: why? why do tribe members in darkest africa /want/ to get mutilated? c'mon, you're the one with the degree in anthropology, wasn't it?
mircea_popescu: lest they become sinful.
mircea_popescu: for as long as the british empire endured, the thinking was that the poor have to be kept busy
mircea_popescu: so perhaps the problem is that so many poor idiots are also idle.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but you know... back in 1700 there seems to be a complete dearth of bohemian peasants that sat around injecting silicone in their butts to look more like women.
bounce: my angle was I'd rather have the masses have medically sound care than not, regardless of their stupidity.
bounce: well, with accessable insurance and accessable plastic surgery there'll still be those among the masses doing outright stupid stuff, but at least it'll be medically sound
mircea_popescu: all the crazed lezzie bitchz...
mircea_popescu: Experts say people resort to illegal pumping parties, where customers outside a hospital or clinical setting are injected with anything from Botox to industrial-grade silicone, out of convenience or because they lack insurance or access to health care and legitimate plastic surgery.
mircea_popescu: " as we've seen, there's a market for convenience, any convenience at all" << that part.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: what more could i ask for? this bc merlot ain't half bad either
bounce: oh no, I was on about the multisig idea underpinning a webwallet thingy
mircea_popescu: well no, i selected the "what to do about idiots". you seemed to say that well... empowering their idiocy through catering to their whims is a net positive.
bounce: what's that to do with the multisig wallet thingy bitcoinpete posted a blog about?
mircea_popescu: "Played monopoly, paid his buy-in". if there was a more marginal marginal ever...
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the dude that kept coming to derp in here ?
mircea_popescu: kinda the point i
bounce: or, in other words, their idea isn't high explosive in and of itself -- which is what bitcoinpete was contending
bounce: add earlier context that "the masses" happily take any stupid stuff when offered so even a marginally better idea improves the overall situation (if only marginally)
mircea_popescu: <bounce> I don't particularly like the model, but if above assumptions hold it's not acutally an outright bad idea. << what's that then ?
mircea_popescu: there's a market for injecting raw industrial silicon in women's buttocks.
mircea_popescu: bounce are you sure that there "being a market" is a valid approach ?
bitcoinpete: well i'll let someone else be their guinea pig ;)
bitcoinpete: it might end up being another cointerra/neobee told-ya-so, might not
bounce: I don't particularly like the model, but if above assumptions hold it's not acutally an outright bad idea.
bounce: *shrug* it doesn't really do to bash'em on things they didn't actually do wrong.
bitcoinpete: bounce: lol you make a good point even if they're lame
bounce: and, hm, assuming the in-browser problems are manageable you get a more convenient thingy than either a webwallet or a desktop client; can keep the user-hot key in, say, a webmail account somewhere without exposing yourself through the webmail account directly (unless the password is also in there)
kakobrekla: unfortunately the thing is not too funny.
bounce: sure. so if you produce a marginally safer thing and manage to have the crowd flock there you've improved overal security, however marginally
bitcoinpete: bounce: there was a market for gox and bfl
bitcoinpete: bounce: but that's the exact same as a normal back-up with bc/info or a desktop client
bounce: as in, safer than a straight-up webwallet and more convenient than cold storage. as we've seen, there's a market for convenience, any convenience at all
bounce: assuming they're not, for the sake of argument, it's maybe not a bad design decision to have "the user" store something useless on its own, but useful in combination with the website OR in combination with the backup key the user stuck in his safe deposit box
bitcoinpete: bounce: at best it's browser-based. at worst, as kanzure mentioned in the comments, they're full of shit
bounce: it's still browser-based, so it has all the problems mega has.
bounce: so that's 2-of-3 and they have one, and you have two? or what?
bounce saw mention of a study or other that relatively way too many rich kids got scholarships. well, they can pay for the consultancies that know how to get 'em, can't they?
BingoBoingo: bounce: It really is. Then again there is a huge difference between a poor kid from East St Louis pinning their hopes to an athletic scholarship and rich parents from DC doing the same.
bounce: maybe it has something to do with the well-known excreable state of middle management
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: can't go wrong there
bounce: two industry seats. needs moar "none of the above"
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Of course it has, but I'm not sure calling it wealth is the right thing.
bitcoinpete: bobby lee and some dude named brock pierce at the top of "round 1"
bitcoinpete: back to the polls cuz gotta have 52 votes lol
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: More parents Derping their kids to incompetence.
ozbot: Why Rich Lacrosse Parents Are Making Their Kids Repeat A Grade
ozbot: Iron law of oligarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
punkman: "But this time their cyberbullying campaign may have been a blessing in disguise. "
punkman: mircea_popescu: some more then https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/montrexwatches/montrex-watch-project-a-truly-unique-timepiece-wat/posts/542841
BingoBoingo: Did he SSH into the watch?
bounce: other than more drama
mircea_popescu: punkman basically, this is the bitcoin mining "projects" 100%
BingoBoingo: Been a while since the Usagi name was invoked here.
punkman: "This is the kind of stuff with which I have to deal due to the cyberbullying attacks on me. The girl, Allison, who was supposed to start working here, today, was a no-call, no-show. "
BingoBoingo: supay: With OpenBSD remember to read the documentation before you install it. Also remember I want bitcoind 0.7, not the newer bullshit.
mircea_popescu: rebranding the successful brand that was utterly destroyed and etc.
punkman: their rebrand got $444,370 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/watchismo/xeriscope-the-orbiting-mechanical-automatic-watch
BingoBoingo: supay: If the like the guide I post it to my blog crediting you as the author and link to your WoT profile.
BingoBoingo: supay: Write a nice guide shoot it to me. I'll give you 0.01 BTC and a 1 rating on the WoT.
punkman: mircea_popescu: don't see anything there
BingoBoingo: supay: It's just building something that already exists. Less work than reimplementing the protocol.
BingoBoingo: supay: If you wrote a guide to building Bitcoind 0.7 with the modifications to work on the right blockchain, on OpenBSD 5.5 I'd give you a plus one.
jurov: supay if you "work" then you have something to show, no?
mircea_popescu: "Manipal University is a name to reckon with not just in India, but the world over. "
supay: bounce: I am familiar with relational algebra yes, because I am in the sophomore year at my university and am studying RDBMS.
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mircea_popescu: the famous derpfamation
bounce: no, no I don't understand. but I don't think I want to understand either. esp. since I'm all out of drink.
bounce: wtf was up with the montrex drama? get your kickstarter 8x oversubscribed and sue the backers? what?
mircea_popescu: "Because of the damage incurred... Because of the fact that we are being called thieves and con-artists and frauds without having done anything wrong"
mircea_popescu: "After the events of the last couple of days, we are very disappointed. The kickstarter Montrex project was to help build the Montrex brand. Ultimately, backers destroyed the brand and the reputation of the brand and its team."
pankkake: I'm afraid so, I forgot about the first suspension
mircea_popescu: did i get the story right here ?
mircea_popescu: adn now are delisting the new symbol because... the inexistent officers of the inexistent company... failed to protest ?
BingoBoingo: tradingloser: That isn't the Buffet thing at all.
mircea_popescu: then re-opened trading, arbitrarily, on a new symbol, with new authority
tradingloser: because i did that boring warren buffet thing where you know consistent revenue will come and you buy and hold for a long time. hopefully, multisignature is the future.
mircea_popescu: so allegedly an alleged "compliance officer" that doesn't exist made a request (that doesn't exist) to suspend the trading of a supposed company with real assets that don't exist
BingoBoingo: If you lose 88% at anything... How do you continue trying the same approaches that lost you the 88% without at least stopping to take a break?
mircea_popescu: did the neobeeQ compliance officer ask for it ?
pankkake: if anyone still cares: neobeeQ delisting the 5th
BingoBoingo: tradingloser: Have you considered if you can't just hold coins, betting them at BitBet?
kakobrekla: tradingloser stop then
tradingloser: kakobrekla.. thats is the worst skill I have.
benkay: <supay> ... the LAMP framework. << o.O
BingoBoingo: supay: What kinds of things have you programmed in the past?
kakobrekla: tradingloser you should be thinking about breaking the cycle of bad decisions
supay: BingoBoingo: I have maximum experience with Java. But my C and Python are pretty good too. Apart from that, I used to develop web apps. I'm great at the LAMP framework.
tradingloser: hopefully the multisig co and casino stock treats me bettter.
BingoBoingo: supay: I know you mentioned Java is the main thing you've worked with. What other languages have you played with?
mircea_popescu: <tradingloser> Well hoping for a new start. I took what looks like the remains of neobee and cryptoshitstocks over to bitcoinbourse. hoping for the best. <<< ahahah
BingoBoingo: supay: Just prolly avoid doing the thing in C++, PHP, or Java if you do try it.
BingoBoingo: supay: If you don't want to wait for other ideas, looking at this thing could be instructive.
benkay: but in the wrong direction, tradingloser
tradingloser: Well hoping for a new start. I took what looks like the remains of neobee and cryptoshitstocks over to bitcoinbourse. hoping for the best.
BingoBoingo: supay: C, LISP, Python.... Language doesn't much matter beyond the thing being suprememly readable and not garbage like bitcoind.
BingoBoingo: supay: Well, more implementations of the Bitcoin protocol would be nice. Clean minimalist full node implementations like Conformal did with btcd.
mircea_popescu: check out the schoolchildren
tradingloser: that's the most love I gotten since high school.
mircea_popescu: tradingloser they're called play exchanges for a reason.
fluffypony: tradingloser: I don't use either
mircea_popescu: tradingloser you gotta read the logs.
ozbot: Has the whale exploded yet? - Untitled
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu no no the reason is good.
benkay: you clearly don't understand the local manners.
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benkay: that'd be the first counterrating.
mircea_popescu: supay just read the logs, same thing.
mircea_popescu: <bounce> everybody knows by now, but the europhile eurocrats don't care; the people, even the national governments, can no longer stop it << let's bet.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you know how they do it? they repeat a referendum until they get Yes << and then wonder why bitcoin doesn;t care what they think.
fluffypony: after nearly 20 years of tar I still forget how to use it all the time
fluffypony: so few cli tools conform to norms, because why bother when you can just do it your way
supay: love them
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benkay: and now the channel is cleared of "plz someone +1 me!"
kakobrekla: yet jurov doge sticker on his lappy is 3 times the size of bitcoin sticker
jurov: just a repellant stick on the laptop
bounce: how does "the price is right" work anyway?
BingoBoingo: supay: Not atm. If you do something that impresses people and provides benefit I might, of course other people might as well.
supay: they dont?
bounce: just random ratings don't convey +v in here, by the by
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: I'll start thinking about games
supay: I'm authed i guess..
BingoBoingo: Or TUNNELSPIDER for the Saddam reference
asciilifeform: betcha the nsa funding flag for tunnelbear is 'TUNNELRAT'
BingoBoingo: Would be an interesting thing to have out there.
asciilifeform: a la the faux cs conference paper gen
BingoBoingo: Maybe use Russian Winnie the Pooh
asciilifeform: one is almost tempted to write a generator for these promos
BingoBoingo: I like that the honeypot is covered in Web 2.0MG hipster BBQ sauce
csshih: is this the new cool kid hangout
thestringpuller: listening to the wub wub huh dub dub?
bounce: everybody knows by now, but the europhile eurocrats don't care; the people, even the national governments, can no longer stop it
ozbot: Van Rompuy: If The Public Doesn't Want EU Expansion, 'We Do It Anyway'
rithm: ^ i have a feeling i wouldn't have to change nicks then
rithm: <nanotube> kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident <source nick>'
fluffypony: asciilifeform: afaik the nand flash in those drives is ~3k writes per cell
kakobrekla: (on the assbot side)
kakobrekla: then it could work.
fluffypony: http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/sandisk-4-tb-optimus-ssd-lightning,1-1925.html <- the end of the spinning platter cometh
nanotube: kakobrekla: why? the private !up knows what nick it is coming from. should then just ask gribble 'ident <source nick>'
kakobrekla: the issue is that private !up would need to take in an argument.
kakobrekla: yes that is not the issue
nanotube: benkay: also, i see you're talking about irc nick and wot username differences - shouldn't be an issue, the output of 'ident' command includes wot username... so you have both pieces of info.