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ThickAsThieves: (something worth considering either way, Dota 2 is fucking raking it in)
ThickAsThieves: something integrated yet separate from the game
ThickAsThieves: or other armor skins
ThickAsThieves: as part of the game
ThickAsThieves: you mean the freelancer.com thing?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal old story.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: be sure to use the new symbol
moiety: i know D; i havent lost anything in ages. this will be the reminder for the next few years XD
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there. /// I'll break it down into bits
TheNewDeal: who is the Milk character that's referenced at the bottom of the bitbet faq?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mormon porn includes the special underwear.
moiety: fluffypony: not entirely hand holding just a 'dont ask why if you cant be arsed to read the collated info and steps or manuls shall be set upon you' thingy
fluffypony: A Mormon guy goes into a hotel and checks in, he says "I hope the porn in my room is disabled". The guy behind the desk replies "no it's just regular porn you sick fuck".
ozbot: White House seeks legal immunity for firms that hand over customer data | World news | theguardian.
moiety: aye be nice to collate it all together and hand a hand holding step by step
mircea_popescu: moiety you can cobble it together, out of nano's gribble intro linked above and the general assbot stuff.
pankkake: I did it by mistake the first times I used bitbet
fluffypony: anyone who's seriously played with affiliate systems has tried cookie stuffing Amazon and had their account frozen
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: there are lots of ways of gaming an affiliate system, and even more ways of being caught
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you ever been an affiliate before ?
fluffypony: then you'll get the credit
TheNewDeal: but my question is, what happens if I create a ref link, then I myself send bets through the link
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Just sub in an address of yours
mircea_popescu: get in the wot so you can self-voice yourself for the future
mircea_popescu: well, this chan is your friend then.
Micon_: there are so many segments to fill now and many more segments that haven't been created yet
Micon_: mircea_popescu - I am interested in how to define trust for us early btc barons and accept other friendlies as time goes
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal like normal in aff systems lol
mircea_popescu: Micon_ also, re the wot thing : there isn't really a top. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << that's the long story.
TheNewDeal: how does this house deal work - how can you make sure that someone isn't just giving the rake to themself?
fluffypony: ryepdx: build it and they will come? :-P
Micon_: I suppose I could wish you the best of luck :)
mircea_popescu: Micon_ the payments for april were 0.09 BTC. this is fucking ridiculous. now, what can you do for me ?
mircea_popescu: Micon_ hey. so the deal is this : bitbet offers an open affiliate deal, where anyone sending traffic gets 100% the house rake
TheNewDeal: you could put a sweet manul link in the rating
fluffypony: ;;rate moiety 1 the Cat Lady of Bitcoin Assets
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user rye: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=rye | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rye | Rated since: Thu May 1 15:06:26 2014
gribble: You are now authenticated for user rye with key 680F5108B06DBB77
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ryepdx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ryepdx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ryepdx | Rated since: Tue May 24 01:12:57 2011
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well i glossed over that bit of nonsense.
ryepdx: Yeah. BridgeWalker got bit by that, hard. They were using Gox.
mircea_popescu: decouple one bitcoin benefit from the others.
mircea_popescu: i mean, his idea is sound, in theory, i can see why that is desirable
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal and if someone decides bitstamp should no longer have a bank account ?
mircea_popescu: in short, for as long as you wish to hold a franchise (in this case, the dollar) you're bound by the rights of the franchise owner.
mircea_popescu: but it's still tied to the deliverability of the underwriter.
mircea_popescu: ryepdx not sure that risk can be avoided. for instance, yo ucould buy a delivered future like the x.eur
fluffypony: ryepdx: except someone is holding the USD in a bank account, right, and THEIR bank account can be closed
ryepdx: Right. But without the risk of someone deciding you shouldn't have a bank account anymore.
mircea_popescu: right, seems like "sell bitcoins, keep dollars" would bte the way to go
kakobrekla: first dissolve the company then sell the shares!
bitcoinpete: ryepdx: so just like a regular bank account then
ryepdx: Outside of Bitfinex, is there any way to short Bitcoin in USD? I'm interested in exploring the possibility of creating a Bitcoin wallet that maintains a constant USD balance no matter what the exchange rate does.
assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to TheNewDeal.
mircea_popescu: !down TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: Bitcoin, The New Deal
artifexd: Remember TestingUnDosTres? He changed his nick to TheNewDeal.
assbot: Voicing TheNewDeal for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure I would smoke the chicken on the grill. Chickens are better as food than as alarms.
mircea_popescu: If chicken little tells you that the sky is fallin'
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fluffypony: and then backtracks when it's clear that the person is not you
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he accuses everyone of either being you or "sucking MP's dick"
pankkake: well, the first one to do so was the NeoBee lover that got banned
fluffypony: pankkake: I also start typing replies to him and then give up, I don't actually have the time to waste
mircea_popescu: isnt minerpart the one that kept talking to people on btctalk like they were me ?
pankkake: I was going to reply to the latest jimmothy things but I forced myself not to
fluffypony: the court jester, so to speak
BingoBoingo: Foundations are dumb, except in the rare cases they aren't
cgcardona: Reggae band called 'The Bitcoin Groundation'
fluffypony: we should start the Bitcoin Assets Foundation
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "Speakers from the Bitcoin Foundation, Circle Internet Financial" << so much speaking these doods do.
BingoBoingo: cgcardona: You have to realize a lot of non-Bitcoin freenode is tech support for a lot of projects, and... If they locked out every name forever, it would be a pain coming up with unique names every time you don't care to remember a password.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, children are born naked. you clothe them after.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing default about security.
cgcardona: seems like security should be the default
cgcardona: really? what are your thoughts there?
mircea_popescu: cgcardona: why oh why doesn't nickserv turn ENFORCE on by default? << because security should not be the default ?
fluffypony: yeah better deal than South Africa from that perspective then
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Of course. Many of the great players come from the region and many of the US players play in their Winter leagues as well.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: do they have baseball there?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I don't like to comment much on the pending case other than, allegedly some political speech was said.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there.
moiety: there was a right mess with those tox devs
fluffypony: and the relaunch is abandoned
fluffypony: and then the original dev reappears
fluffypony: every time a coin dev disappears then someone picks up the reigns and "relaunches" it
dexX7: yea, there is probably too much
fluffypony: dexX7: I gave up following the altcoin drama
fluffypony: kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs
kakobrekla: >>I do not know NXT, but I am interested in finding (and even potentially investing in) efforts to create a peer-to-peer capital market. In fact, if a good solution emerges, you might even see Overstock be the first issuer of a stock or bond in such a market, just to help things get going! (Incidentally, we were the first to do a Dutch auction IPO, for precisely that reason.)
benkay: the pines and cruise lines
benkay: it's a pretty high touch approach, which is why i'd expect to be able to carve out a niche in the space
fluffypony: yeah, that's precisely what TagPesa is has done with the South Sudanese expats living in Australia
benkay: expand the network from there.
benkay: one person in each of two cities doing the changing
benkay: go somewhere with a serious expat community in the habit of sending money home, make friends in that group, figure out what it's costing to get money where they need it moved, and then move it with btc.
fluffypony: benkay: TagPesa seem to have that in the bag...just a pity about their involvement with Seedcoin II: The Wrath of Seedz
benkay: i want to get some skin into the remittance game, but haven't figured out how to.
benkay: fluffypony: the real issue is that microloans have a pretty bad return, what with having to chase anonymous poverty-ensnared people all over their shithole country/favela
fluffypony: dignork: yep, I think I'm talking purely about using BTC as a way of getting around the cross-border issues
dignork: fluffypony: micro-lending shop will face the same problem with BTC funding - they have to go short on BTC since they provide loans in fiat
fluffypony: and the reverse for repayments
fluffypony: that also means that lenders don't need to know much more than how to get money on to BitStamp and then withdraw the BTC to their [insert loan site here] account
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: ok but let's focus on the lending space - at the moment there is already a thriving p2p micro-lending market in some countries, mostly unregulated. The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved.
benkay: fluffypony: you're starting to sound a lot like the20year
kakobrekla: most of the loans that are taken get converted into fiat, meaning autofucked
fluffypony: kakobrekla: BTC can be used purely as the medium of exchange, pegged to the local exchange rate, if the lenders aren't long on Bitcoin
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: that's part of their implementation, neh?
kakobrekla: its not implementation, its the bitcoin appreciation and volatility that makes this doa
fluffypony: which precludes their using BTCJam
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: implementation requires more formality and skill than btcjam and others imagine
fluffypony: BTCJam have good ideas, they just have no clue how to bring it to fruition
bitcoinpete: the bear lobby is not one to be messed with
bitcoinpete: they used to have an nba basketball team called the grizzlies
thestringpuller: and they would pay me in bitcoin...
thestringpuller: I kinda want to apply at bitpay because they are nearby
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@unaffiliated/bitcoinpete. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
bitcoinpete: they read the rags or they watch tv or facebook
bitcoinpete: except no one with savings reads the fucking financial post article on retirement
bitcoinpete: my buddy thinks that this is "so out of touch because if I am reading this, with no savings, I wonder what the entire point is. it should at least add a context."
bitcoinpete: this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness
bitcoinpete: So the financial post, out of toronto, has a weekly feature on an older couple and their preparedness for retirement
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: this is exactly the point
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete is better than the lamestream media
bitcoinpete: Nic Cary , the CEO of Blockchain.info, interviews Fereshteh Forough and Roya Mahboob about the Women's Annex Foundation initiative which helps and supports women through education and technology, starting from Afghanistan. The content providers on the Women's Annex platform are getting paid with the Digital Currency Bitcoin which allow them to finance their expenses and costs easily without facing problems with the banking system an
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Micon The practical reason to register with Gribble and the WoT at the moment is to get self voicing privileges passed to you.
thestringpuller: the ones who survive get to do useful shit? y/n?
thestringpuller: can we just exile these n00bs to an island and do battle royale?
bitcoinpete: "Contract outcomes are determined in a trustless and decentralized way, through a weighted vote based on present and past consensus with a unique Nash Equilibrium where all voters report accurately on the state of markets."
bitcoinpete: "The end result is the first of its kind: a market for actual prediction-commodities, which have a value based on their accuracy and not based on the behaviour of any administrator, rival trader, or counterparty."
bitcoinpete: "Truthcoin is my ambitious project to create a trustless P2P prediction-marketplace. This is possible because, unlike most marketplaces, the end product of a prediction market (PM) is information."
cgcardona: yea I wonder who did the drawing?
cgcardona: well the old one had such a good message w/ the monopoly money
danielpbarron: i liked the old one, but it wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing design
cgcardona: wow the Trilema header changed
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cgcardona: i've been watching a bunch of cody wilson interviews over the last couple of days and it's an interesting idea
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danielpbarron: i'm not sure yet; it could be the good money that the beast tries to suppress with his mark
thestringpuller: Bitcoin becomes the end times ~_~
danielpbarron: if Bitcoin gets to the point where I can't spend it unless I have a mark on my hand or forehead, that's when I divest from Bitcoin and start street preaching
thestringpuller: I would expect SuperUsers to have a mobile brothel for "socializing"
moiety: hell why not get a secret handshake in there too
cgcardona: thestringpuller: yes and no - there are online documentation of 'secret societies' which meet up yearly in the same place. but yea they aren't really secret. Real secret societies probably do meet up in different places each time
moiety: purpose of these meet-ups being business or social?
thestringpuller: cgcardona: i imagine that secret society meetings never happen in the same place twice for good reason
cgcardona: moiety: well the keys would confirm they are the digital person and the fingerprint/eyes would prove they are the human behind the keys
moiety: and so why would they need to scan their eyeballs?
cgcardona: i'm suggesting the people who show up would trust the proprieter of the lair
cgcardona: and you think the owner of the SuperUser underground lair wouldn't (this is all hypothetical)
cgcardona: thestringpuller: several people just met up w/ MP in romaina
cgcardona: and sure the meetings would never be too long.
thestringpuller: that requires you to trust the proprietor of the underground lair
moiety: but thing is, if people go to the effort of getting plane tickets etc, they tend to have passports and stuff? you don't really squat a plane ticket/meet up
cgcardona: well I'm assuming the SuperUser underground lair is a safe haven for all
cgcardona: there are lots of reasons to meet in person
cgcardona: moiety: you mean you doubt they'll meet up afk?
moiety: cgcardona: here-in lay the super users tho, i doubt they will move
thestringpuller: cgcardona: it's get the hashes, crypto-crypto coin
cgcardona: get the bitcoins! satoshi-satoshis y'all!
cgcardona: so I've been thinking about a group of SuperUsers called 'The church of Sudo', 'The Cult of the SuperUser', and/or 'Order of Root'. Also known as 'The Web' -- I thought that the WoT/+v could be an interesting real world model as well. So a person shows up at the SuperUser underground lair and has to sign a message w/ their key and then retina scan/fingerprint to get access.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
gribble: You are now authenticated for user thestringpuller with key 0FF2943DA179E169
gribble: Request successful for user thestringpuller, hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/0FF2943DA179E169
thestringpuller: ;;eauth thestringpuller
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
danielpbarron: Micon: can i use the email you already tweeted at MP?
Micon: tyvm for the invite / glglglgl
moiety: as tobe expected, nothing is moron free all of the time
BigBitz: Lots of morons there though.
danielpbarron: Micon: i can invite you to keybase, they make it really easy to do all that
Micon: just have the key and a signed msg in many places like that
moiety: i cancelled going at the last minute BigBitz then regretted it
danielpbarron: Micon: you host your pub key on the root
moiety: almost coubled ticket prices from what they started at
danielpbarron: Micon: that way, we know that it's the same Micon accross the board
moiety: i tweetered at them but didnt get a response
moiety: BigBitz: did you see half way to the actual date, they bumped up ticket prices?
Micon: but then you guys are trusting that GPG key is real-micon
BigBitz: I thought there would have been another BTC London this year but appears not.
moiety: re BigFuckingLiar Josh @ London, he apologised to a lot of people who ate it up and were interested in the next bunch of lies he was wanting to send out [at a delayed timeframe]
cgcardona: I play music and recently I'm going to start signing the lon/lat && timestamp right before I come on stage and flash it on the screen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
ThickAsThieves: because if we get more use of the WoT, it allows new systems to develop on it
danielpbarron: Micon: I can explain how the opposite is true
Micon: I'm totally down to generally support the movement
ThickAsThieves: another perk is generally supporting the movement
Micon: sure I'll join, I'm just explaining why I think WoT's in general do not preform the function the legitimate traders want
danielpbarron: the thing i did would have worked in -otc
ThickAsThieves: what Google is missing is the ability to verify you in a live situation, and the ability to have a "ledger" on your trust transactions with people
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user BigBitz: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 19 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
BigBitz: joining the WoT and using your key provides the integrity.
BigBitz: Micon the issue is you could be anyone.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013
Micon: For me personally, coming from the poker world, being insanely google-able and IRL verfiable, and especially because I spend every June at Rio since 2006, being on bitcointalk and doing btc trades here in Vegas since 2011... most ppl don't have any issue if they need to trust me.
ThickAsThieves: it is not meant for just looking at the score
ThickAsThieves: Micon, it's not gameable in the sense that it is a tool that references who trusts whom
BigBitz: I need to watch out then. I have a considerable total rating, danielpbarron.
danielpbarron: Micon: don't pay attention to "total rating scores," that's where the scammers show up
benkay: * danielpbarron isn't interested in acts of violence << i love a good bit of the old ultra-violence
danielpbarron: feel free to voice concerns, i'm sure they can be easily refuted
Micon: all the WoT's I have ever seen are "scammers climb to the top" situations
moiety: cgcardona; danielpbarron: getting the client to autosign-in is obv too difficult for some people. does bug me though if nickserv has a freak out and you re-identify, it unauths you from the wot
danielpbarron: and then I can give you a rating, and then you can voice yourself
danielpbarron: and also to confirm that you are in fact the Micon of SWC fame
danielpbarron: Micon: so we can be sure that the Micon we're talking to today is the same as any Micons in the future
danielpbarron: Micon: so get in the WoT!
gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: therefore your request is disqualified
Micon: seroiusly, paintball guns. always vs. Zerlan. Every conference until they stop showing up IMO
ThickAsThieves: I'm still waiting for you guys to submit questions to presenters for me to ask: http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
Micon: They are at all conferences. We should have an elite team that shows up and paintballs him each time he shows up
ThickAsThieves: Josh will be at the Amsterdam conference
danielpbarron: i think MP is interested in the "affiliate manager" aspect of your experience
ThickAsThieves: i recall the BFL videos and coverage
danielpbarron: he was one of the first to call out BFL
Micon: that's cool, I shut down the site until it's fixed. should be soon-ish
danielpbarron: Micon: sorry I haven't called in to your show in a while, i've been so busy lately I space out on the time
Micon: fair enough. I may have business to bring here in the future. Always listening, as well
ThickAsThieves: not the best to scam or commit crime, sure
danielpbarron: there is nothing to hide here
Micon: so maybe not the best place to talk business :) ?
danielpbarron: if the FED is smart, they have a rep in here
danielpbarron: but he's busy at the moment
Micon: so what is the fuss about DBP?
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Micon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=Micon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Micon | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: yknow one thing that really sucks about Bitcoin conferences is how they spend so much time talking about what it is
danielpbarron: although someone took the .com already (i guess once Bitcoin hit the mainstream, squatters registered every mispelling relating to Bitcoin)
cgcardona: ok i've removed all my previous wot ratings from the cgcardona_ account and rerated w/ my new nick. If i had previously rated you and you don't see it now w/ the new nick let me know and I'll fix that. thanks
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danielpbarron: high profile doesn't necessarily mean important; it usually means the opposite
ThickAsThieves: maybe they just arent actually important to anyone important
danielpbarron: there are a lot of high profile Bitcoin users in other channels who don't auth with gribble; it's just not important to them
cgcardona: just to check I just ran `info name_of_op` in another room I hang out in and he didn't have it turned on either
danielpbarron: and they are dumb, and they would get confused if nickserv forced them to type a password every time
cgcardona: yea most people def aren't in the wot and don't care
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: meaning that most users aren't using nickserv for the WoT and don't care if someone else is on their nick when they are gone
cgcardona: meaning what? That people will squat on nicks or that people wouldn't be able to handle putting in their pass each time?
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