fluffypony: Hasbro: hair chalk is the solution
Naphex: also companies have to finance most up front, then wait for gov money
Naphex: a lot of other fun stuff like corruption, inside deals, and pref specs go on as well
Naphex: so a lot of companies will just price that in their bid, pushing it up
Naphex: the thing is, you can drag gov auctions forever
mircea_popescu: you're like that stupid kid everyone beats up and takes lunch money from. even the girls.
mircea_popescu: Naphex which is why it sucks being the government.
Naphex: i think that 'portal' - thats what they call shitty webapps that cost hundreds of milions
Naphex: but it will most likely use x509 certificates, and "ssl authentication"
mircea_popescu: Naphex what i mean is, technically speaking any https site satisfies the "it uses x509" criterion. and so, a contractor could in principle slap a lamp on a box, draw up 3 pages and there you go, invoice for 50 billion.
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the key escrow
Naphex: thats how they do all gov eauctions everywhere
Naphex: <+mircea_popescu> Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you nut, i just realised you were asking the guy questions he had no voice.
mircea_popescu: Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, When you complain about us getting Britney Spears... Those were the bad, but not so bad days. Now we have those things.
Naphex: they are going for x509 certificates
mircea_popescu: Naphex i gues they never heard of gpg still huh.
mircea_popescu: "Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team." unintentional irony ftw.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I get the impression I don't even need to be here for you to converse...
mircea_popescu: right. because doctor a-blow is now allowed to put his opinions on the same table.
mircea_popescu: "Zuckerbergs obvious theory (given that he expresses no conscious desire to do harm) is that Facebook and the Oculus VR are good businesses and good ways to communicate and have fun. My theory is that Facebook is an addictive technological drug that, like every drug, gives people temporary pleasure and, ultimately, causes many people to become psychiatrically ill."
mircea_popescu: "think of the children!!!1"
BigBitz: You need no further words, generally.
mircea_popescu: welll... they can definitely... eat it.
mircea_popescu: so you're saying that the notion that someone googling bitcoin would actually fall for the most tired webscams is not exactly without basis ?
BigBitz: The world is still full of stupid people who don't know Bitcoin from sand.
mircea_popescu: lol all these fucktards spending on google ads for "bitcoin" for their shitty fiat scams. "Bitcoin - Welcome Bonus, 1:10, Starting 100 "
mircea_popescu: BigBitz also, kinda trivial to verify address has been meanwhile emptied, doesn't show so good on the proposed seller.
BigBitz: IT's the release actions which have had flaws.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz not exactly different in effect than the pseudo-escrow.
punkman: did KLYE deliver the harem pic?
BigBitz: sure but that's as worthwhile as saying "here it is" then moving it instantly.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: going back to KLYE discussion earlier - do you think there is a market for insex type content + bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: BigBitz in fact, local bitcoins could just verify a btc address signature, for the same effects, not having to hold any btc in the process.
mircea_popescu: as they say, the best way to sink a good team with a good idea is a bad revenue stream.
mircea_popescu: but then again... hey. business isn't a skill we're born with.
mircea_popescu: so you know, they just eat a pie of risk for no upside.
mircea_popescu: yes ok. but that can be done many other (better) ways
BigBitz: proof, at least, there is bitcoin available.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu enforced in the sense it must be filled before it can be traded.
BigBitz: adds some validitity to the trade.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz what i don't get is, why the fuck would local bitcoins hold any bitcoins. just run it like craigslist, what do you want to hold on to the risk for.
BigBitz: they weren't.
BigBitz: the time the guy got away with 80BTC I found it and alerted jeramis before they lost a lot of their BTC.
fluffypony: Naphex: it's also really shitty on the DC's part
mircea_popescu: Naphex yes. best part about it is the "everything's safe, we got wiped."
BigBitz: Naphex LBC has been bit a few times. I prevented their last big one.
Naphex: what is it with people not securing their bootloader and datacenters
BigBitz: with preference to the cunting...
fluffypony: "cunting the blondies"
mircea_popescu: this is how we know the earth to be banana shaped
mircea_popescu: BigBitz mac ppl. what do they know of lulz.
mircea_popescu: kinda why they're called public keys. to be public.
BigBitz: you're authed, also.
gribble: User 'Hasbro', with keyid 51D245C43C2D4FA1, fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014, last authed on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Hasbro . Currently authenticated from hostmask Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro .
mircea_popescu: Hasbro now you can voice yourself here. reg with gribble and then pm assbot !up
mircea_popescu: punkman so i checked two sites randomly from those deck guys. one doesn't load at all (http://www.yayhooray.com/) the other does not show the ads (http://butdoesitfloat.com/)
gribble: (gpg eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: but then i signed up for an aws micro
bounce: static only content only, obviously. I'd set it up if aws let me sign up (which they don't--need phone and cc and then the derping really starts. what do they want now, my first born?)
mircea_popescu: i give them one week tech support on that line.
mircea_popescu: and if i wanna punish someone, but i mean, REALLY punish them
mircea_popescu: well what if i told you there;s going to be a marvelous ad network, allowing ytou to make entire pennies each day!
bounce: heh, right. I got plenty original material to post, just can't be arsed to find a place to post it, then post it.
fluffypony: with handwritten snippets at the back
bounce: still have a book with bunches of hexencoded code printed, for you to type over. I perhaps should scan the thing, then see if I can't OCR and put it in an emulator.
bounce heard the programs flowing through the air too. radio though, and not stolen of course. because civilised and all that. yeah.
mircea_popescu: because the romanians actually broadcast stolen code over tv.
bounce: "back in the day" for me is tape swapping, as dcc just wasn't fast enough
mircea_popescu: you know, it's not just the bitcoin forum that works on the "least value is most visible" principle.
mircea_popescu: Hasbro lol take the advice of strangers, it's the best kind of advice you'll ever get. you wanna be in that thing.
mircea_popescu: either.
mircea_popescu: well... no pressure other than the fact that obviously i want something like this, so if you pass i'll just have someone write a ocmpetitor.
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
mircea_popescu: arsenische nah, because your thing exists to serve the advertiser, and the advertiser needs to have an absolute he can rely on.
arsenische: I appreciate your suggestion to focus on the most valuable publishers and get rid of all the trash. But... won't it be difficult to maintain a binary approach (accept/reject)? Maybe we could just evaluate ad units to have some "quality" attribute, and allow advetisers to set the theshold for their campaigns.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasbro: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Hasbro | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Hasbro | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: yes, the web of trust. this thing :
mircea_popescu: get in the wot i'll give you a rating.
mircea_popescu: you the arcemu guy ?
mircea_popescu: JoshG you there ?
mircea_popescu: arsenische kakobrekla did the coding and maintains the codebase, he gets a signed list of bitcoin addresses to use whenever needed. i keep the books, and generally handle the business side for it.
punkman: mircea_popescu: there is indeed fagrap, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soce,_the_elemental_wizard
mircea_popescu: we'll be insanely picky, in that, only actual blogs carrying actual interesting material written by interestin people will be accepted. jurov's thing may not make the cut even.
mircea_popescu: 2. we kick out all the current publishers. we require all publishers to come here and have their platform approved to be added to a-a.
mircea_popescu: 1. you get in the wot, we go partners in yoru anon ads service, work it pretty much on the bitbet model. it can be listed on mpex.
mircea_popescu: punkman is there such a thing as fagrap ? i mean there's everything else, some chick introduced me to her christian rap brother.
fluffypony: then be too lazy afterwards
mircea_popescu: that's the main thing :p
fluffypony: were I an advertiser I'd maybe do that the first time round
fluffypony: won't that lead to an environment where advertisers cherry-pick only the especially large publishers and ignore all the little ones?
arsenische: there is much work to be done. we need to find a solution for better ad unit classification and evaluation. improve accounting and statistics for advertisers.
mircea_popescu: ok. what are your plans with the thing currently ?
mircea_popescu: so i see you've dropped that notion that advertisers should follow the publishers and evaluate them one by one
mircea_popescu: hey there.
decimation: the mice are debating whether a bell ought to be affixed to the cat: http://boingboing.net/2014/05/03/glenn-greenwald-and-michael-ha.html
BingoBoingo: Well, no one knows what exact odds are going to be when these open, and events move odds over time.
TheNewDeal: i guess it was skyrocketing in price at the time
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think he does that on some bets to get the bets started at roughly correct odds and to encourage action on them.
TheNewDeal: they bet 57 yes to 42 no on 1 BTC >= $10,000 USD before Novermber 29th, 2014
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think Mircea claimed that one in Channel as one of his personal betting addresses.
asciilifeform: there was a paper ages ago, on device fingerprinting through acoustic artifacts (buzz speaker, see what microphone picks up)
asciilifeform: kgb typewriter fingerprints, the famous yellow dots in colour laser printer, this crap - 'history does not repeat, but it rhymes.'
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... you have to accelerate the things
kakobrekla: its not like they are made of soap
mircea_popescu: ima stab you in the tit.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
KLYE: Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection
KLYE: I think it would be in the ventures best interest to have some made up to be given to potential clients instead of me giving out my personal cell number.
mircea_popescu: prolly the best way to work it is to have buyers specify contracts and providers accept them
Naphex: would users bid on projects to win them, or project lists?
Naphex: then you can host whatever services
BingoBoingo: There's probably Trilema articles to help with that.
KLYE: I have dug up some screenies that one of our viewers managed to snap from the first show. This talent is away at field school for the next week or so and isn't one of the prettiest by any means.. great tits and ass on her though. http://imgur.com/a/SVIg8
KLYE: I sent out some text MP for the picture you requested. And got blown off by most of the talent as they are busy getting drunk or banged by someone it seems. One wanted to come over but that is hardly what you asked. :/
KLYE: I've been asked to join some people at a wedding social. So I think I might take the night off and go and do that.. Might get lucky and find some nice potential talent.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell jurov is the pythonic approach to debugging twisted apps seriously to just log everything that happens and tail that during development?
mircea_popescu: or w/e, they doing it are not somebody.
mircea_popescu: what i meant was, someone doing it would be a reason not to do it. the problem there is that nobody is doing it
benkay: mircea_popescu: i tend to assume that anyone who's not killing their niche is leaving market share on the floor. perhaps an unseasoned approach.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs << they have to be hurt to learn. not in any sense new.
mircea_popescu: the reason the microlending works, in shitholecreek, detroit or bungagunga, kneya is that the lender also holds political power
mircea_popescu: fluffypony " The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved." << that's in no way the poroblem. i wouldn't micrlodend in fucklandia under any circumstances.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness << this is fucking nonsense, srsly.
mircea_popescu: the horroar
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: "The end result is the first of its kind: << these fucktards. they really imagine that if you put a "delicious" label on canned shit it'll be a delicious can of shit.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller sure. cookies!
mircea_popescu: guy's site is linked in there. marius lupu.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you will be the first to try these cookies. r&d is refining the recipe
mircea_popescu: you'll be happy if i sell her to a dozen other dudes, too,
mircea_popescu: worked ok ion the late 90s early 00s
pankkake: yeah, that made me lol. I always thought the game was free, and you had to subscribe
pankkake: more to the point, the selling point of an online game is usually world access, not binary client access
fluffypony: but yeah, they have a strong followin
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: look, it's been around for 12 years, so part of the PS community is historical
KLYE: Thank you for the advice Cazalla. :D
mircea_popescu: pankkake so you hate altcoins or just the altcoin makers ?
ThickAsThieves: but ultimately people want the real deal
BingoBoingo: pankkake: You mean like what altcoins are. People dicking around on their own chains?
mircea_popescu: pankkake but if everyone does then... everyone has to be alone neh
pankkake: I mean run a competing universe, the point wasn't being alone
mircea_popescu: cazalla but let the guy run his onw thing lol
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I guess PlaneShift is about the biggest
mircea_popescu: pankkake omg you put the k in otaku
cazalla: KLYE: if i wanted to get into porn, i'd skip cams and produce content along the lines of insex, clearly a demand but payment processor issues fucked it, no issues there with bitcoin
pankkake: unless anyone can run its own server/world, the game isn't really open source
mircea_popescu: open source can't traditionalyl afford to pay financier fat cats to look at the stuff
ThickAsThieves: are there any open-sourced games with profitable thriving economies?
KLYE: I'll piggyback on them until my serverside and web clients are done.. After that the plan is to smash them. :D
ThickAsThieves: it's entirely possible your model works fine, despite no other game adopting it
KLYE: And by that time we will have proven the studio profitable and have solid revenue streams.
ThickAsThieves: my point was the balls are gonna get pumped
KLYE: BTC isn't considered currency in Canada as far as I know, It's considered a grey area. And until phase two when the Klyemax IPO hits an exchange I do not think we have to worry about the MSC.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my entire point is that your "well you could squeeze the balls harder, get more $$$" is not actyually a valid argument.
ThickAsThieves: but what is it then
ThickAsThieves: though i suspect this last one was the peak
mircea_popescu: see, the less control a thing attempts to project, the more difficult to kill it gets.
ThickAsThieves: there wont be a market for eulora eventually
mircea_popescu: there won't be a market for dota, eventually.
ThickAsThieves: there's no mentionable outside market
ThickAsThieves: thereby making your own company dominant
ThickAsThieves: well i can make TATlora.io and get my own designers and pay them a better cut than you
fluffypony: we just have to make the prospectus available
fluffypony: but there's no requirement to register it
mircea_popescu: it's bitcoin, there's no regulation.
ThickAsThieves: the whole dedicated community of players to consume designs thing
ThickAsThieves: thereby removing stability
fluffypony: either is acceptable
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: sure, so I think him putting a picture up of KLYE and bringing up the homeless/begging thing is ridiculous, but I think it's worth his while speaking to the regulatory issue raised - you're either claiming compliance or you're outrightly stating defiance
mircea_popescu: prolly someone will figure it out first, then write a guide,
ThickAsThieves: if client is open source, then i could just hack in my own HUDs and music? or is it to be compiled in such a way to make that impractical for most?
fluffypony: KLYE: meh, ignore the trolls. WRT "FastLoans4You" I think you need to make it clear that you haven't claimed to meet regulatory compliance with Canadian law.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i don't see why niot. the client is open source anyway.
mircea_popescu: why stop there.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: eh fuck the log readers, what do we care.
ThickAsThieves: this topic (and more i wish to bring up) is very interesting to me, so I apologize if it's boggong the channel
mircea_popescu: their effect is usually +ev.
mircea_popescu: KLYE dun worry about them lol
KLYE: I appreciate the summon.
KLYE: Alright MP. I will see what I can do. It seems that the FUDsters have started attacking my thread. I will see if I can summon some girls over for your photo shoot. In the mean time I must go troll hunting.
ThickAsThieves: there are ways to mitigate this to almost seamless effect
mircea_popescu: KLYE anyway, they don't have to be in the same room specifically, if you don't intend them to do group work.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves however, to round that point : no modern game can feasibly made by exactly 1 person. practical games are made by teams, and a lot of content is needed. as the game goes through its cycle, the teams change anyway.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's only one race.
ThickAsThieves: a style guide might also get technical to help 3d artists know the boundaries and specs of each hero race
KLYE: I certainly hope you aren't discrediting me for not being able snap my fingers and have the whores over now. These women like booze and parties. As it sits I have neither, nor is it that time of day yet. And as explained before I am hesitant to get them all together. They may be whores.. But last thing I need is them all pissed off at me for putting them in the same room as one another.
hanbot: KLYE> Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able / odd, i thought that was the point. easy come, easy go.
mircea_popescu: at that level the answer is yes.
mircea_popescu: KLYE not really much to explain. if i ask you and you say you got a harem o' girls, you gotta have them then.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford /// not exactly, a style guide is more like a branding guidelines document, it defines the overall style of the game, creating boundaries for artists
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves there's a lot to discuss on this point, but i think style may emerge.
mircea_popescu: KLYE the difference between a harem and anything else is that the harem does things on the spot.
KLYE: That, And it is a terrible conflict of interest for all of my consorts to know about eachother. I am honest with them I am not monogamous.. But I haven't tested putting them in close proximity to one another.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford
KLYE: Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able. Hard to get them over (let alone all of them in one room) and an absolute bastard to get them to leave once they are here.. :P
KLYE: My one is away at school at the moment. Another is enroute from BC.. I have a small handful of girls that would enjoy this though. Once I explain to them who you are I imagine they would without question.
ThickAsThieves: now i should rephrase to, will there be an inital set pf graphics the game is launched with, with a style guide - separately from any continuously solicited graphics -- or is my vision of "coninuously created graphics" off the mark, where theyll be not even a shade of the dota community approach
mircea_popescu: nothing bad about it, these happen. that's why "forced"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yes, true, for the purposes and in the constraints they had they did great. i still think it a forced mistake.
ThickAsThieves: while Dota is in no way a perfect bitlancer, it is also debatable to call it half-assed tfor the purposes it was designed
mircea_popescu: but i don't believe the best way to achieve that is through half-assing the marketplace design.
KLYE: It's my initial seeding of what eventually will be the new standard for live adult entertainment
ThickAsThieves: and you wantthe designers to know they have a dedicated thriving community to consume them
mircea_popescu: yes. but strategically, do i want to encourage a few good people to make a few good skins as you call them
ThickAsThieves: people like the option of options, to feel they have choice, but in a marketing sense, they dont functionally like it too much choice
ThickAsThieves: but in the end Eulora is it's own player, competing
ThickAsThieves: it would compete more directly with other work
ThickAsThieves: moving it to a bitlance.io would throw it into the wild
ThickAsThieves: branding/community - Having it intregrated allows focus on the game, removes distractions, and creates a sense of worth, even for "worthless" skins
ThickAsThieves: yes and no, i think there are marketing considerations
ThickAsThieves: part of the marker is extra-dota
ThickAsThieves: compared to having one hosted in the game
ThickAsThieves: it will be rather difficult to develop a thriving eulora skin market in bitlancer.io
ThickAsThieves: i do question whether or not dota's approach is better
mircea_popescu: like, poor indian woman marries some poor indian schmuck rather than me.
mircea_popescu: they never had that option.
mircea_popescu: dota didn't make the choice tonot make a freelance.com killer.
mircea_popescu: nothing forces my hand there/