lolstate: But the dissection has to happen.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so im thinking the best approach here is, go, liveblog it, we take it from there.
nahkunt: benkay: it's probably false then, but this wiki page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx links to a thread that mentions it
ThickAsThieves: lolstate just wants fuel to bring back to the perpetually cold fire at bitcointalk.org
nahkunt: benkay: not relying on bitcointalk, i asked for confirmation from the primary source and you're criticisng my romanian pornstar turned crypt obusinesscunt research methodology?
lolstate: TAT, have you had any contact with Danny after cutting the pass-through management role?
ThickAsThieves: i intended to start my own list in the next couple days
ThickAsThieves: getting banned from the conf is not off limits, but save it for last plaz
nahkunt: mircea_popescu: isn't that correct? i read about you on the bitcoinwiki, it linked to a bitcointalk thread discussing it.
ThickAsThieves: basically the limit is that they have to be "serious" questions and i cant end up in jail
benkay: but pornstar/cryptostocks is derpage of the most pernicious variety.
nahkunt: mircea_popescu: the romanian suspected pornstar/cryptostocks businessman/woman
ThickAsThieves: lolstate i'll sum it up like this. at this point there will be no new info from anyone worth anything on the Neo events unless he gets picked up by authorities and forced to hand over his accounts etc
lolstate: TAT, really? TBH, I missed that. All I read was you couldnt continure in the role etc, which is reasonable, although I wasn’t clear on the reason
benkay: lolstate are you delberately trolling like a noob or is this the best that you can do?
benkay: lolstate: when a ship is sinking, what do the occupants do?
benkay: lolstate: you miss the point.
benkay: if it matters, the foundations are unsound to begin with.
lolstate: Neobee turned out bad, clearly, what about the others that have not, yet you desire to do so?
benkay: calling a scam a scam = black arts these days
benkay: lolstate: !up and !down are part of the variety speak.
mircea_popescu: rather than herping along, calling things names.
fluffypony: sweet, CloudFlare have published their SSL config for nginx: https://github.com/cloudflare/sslconfig/
lolstate: MP, why the Ceaușescu move? It is unbecoming.
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't really believe in half measures. im either sending in people with automatic rifles, or not at all.
benkay: this is what we're working towards. not that 'anyone's not a scammer until they are', but that ther are grownups in the space, and either you deal with them or they fuck off.
mircea_popescu: fucking noobs, gonna control the flow of conversation nao. wtf is happening in these people's heads.
benkay: and even then, that's an extremely weak 'proof'.
fluffypony: because evidence seems to point that he was dirty, or at the very least incompetent, and this is another in a string of failures / duck-and-run jobs
bounce: "save the electrons", sheesh.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them. //// mah job!
fluffypony: lolstatel: start here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23e0if/neo_bee_a_consultants_perspective_and_statement/ then go here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cp8h/my_take_on_what_happened_with_neo_bee_after/
mircea_popescu: lolstate bring something to the table.
fluffypony: ok analysis: Danny is a thief and was the only one who controlled all the monies. now he's run away with the monies or many spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. the company has collapsed and disbanded, and the police want to talk to Danny.
lolstate: what? a kick in the mouth? or… ?
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bounce is tempted to publish all the specs exclusively on gopher
mircea_popescu: the irony of "walls"
bounce: put it on your facebook wall. then set it private.
bounce: retweet the like?
fluffypony: bounce: ikr, who needs them
mircea_popescu: basically dpaste broke their api ?
fluffypony: oh nm it's just the links
fluffypony: so now it strips the !b line out and links correctly?
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kakobrekla: it probably has to do with the code.
pankkake: I stumbled on some pole dancing websites, it was entertaining. I mean, it was so serious and all. Though the erotic aspect wasn't stupidly downplayed
mircea_popescu: did they succeed making pole dancing an olympic sport yet ?
mircea_popescu: Me : Then pretty much nobody cares. You wanna play a sport, might as well go pro or else forget about it.
fluffypony: yep, I've found a healthy serving of oats gives me all the fibre I need
fluffypony: so they tell me :)
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peterl: bounce: so you control the rate of fission by the amount of power you put into the neutron-generating fusion?
GAit: did you see the design document/white apper?
fluffypony: GAit: welcome to the world of S.NSA :-P
GAit: fluffypony: sure you can say that, but then you have little alternative to all common languages, maybe some hardware wallet
peterl: oh, and people use cold fusion all the time, it just generates neutrons, not power
bounce: quantum computing vs cold fusion, there's a bitbet
fluffypony: GAit: it's like me saying not to use GreenAddress because of the risk of an exploit in Chrome/Java/JavaScript; until it happens or the attack surface is real it's pointless talking about it
bitcoinpete: GAit: i didn't say much more to that <<quantum comps was half your security argument in the blog
GAit: well by then i imagine a lot of encryption will use quanto techinques
mircea_popescu: if quantum computing, then your teeth are probably not safe. because why would they be ?
GAit: privacy is another
GAit: i specified the attaccks or problems. RNG is one
fluffypony: bounce: wasn't there a major CF exploit last yearish that caused issues on a bunch of sites?
mircea_popescu: GAit do you understand the part where making statements about defenses against nonspecified attacks is hacky at best ?
GAit: quantum computer is theoretical and little practical so far, sure, i didn't say much more to that
bitcoinpete: GAit: and quantum computing isn't a thing. it's cold fusion until proven otherwise
bounce: you now owe me some serious booze, by the by
peterl: you mean the paperclip that gave tips on how to use winblows?
bounce: "clippy", unless you're thinking of bob the dog
fluffypony: bounce: wasn't that the Microsoft Office assistant?
fluffypony: peterl: not really...the current change address functionality is roughly analogous to creating fresh receive addresses every time you receive a transaction
GAit: a good point to add to the blog actually
mircea_popescu: or "pls to use whatever the gpg competitor was, i forgot" 20 years prior.
mircea_popescu: i am saying that the entire "don't reuse addresses" campaign is exactly the equiovalent of "pls to use openssh" or "pls to use tor before that"
GAit: mircea_popescu: you are saying we tried to get attention in the wrong way by mentioning our comptetitors reusing addresses?
mircea_popescu: now whether you're participating naively or not is up for grabs, but still.
fluffypony: I need another drink
mircea_popescu: GAit the problem is this : i'm pretty well convinced, and i suspect a lot of people here are similarly convinced,
GAit: mircea_popescu: i was trying to find if there was something bad we could improvwe
mircea_popescu: oh. GAit well people sometimes overstate points on the internet. it's called cracked.com
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete called GAit scum on the Twitorz
mircea_popescu: buncha poor romanian kids in some small romanian town got the check-only btc address app installed on their phones and went all over town claiming to be owning 1000s of btc.
GAit: well privacy in the sense that if you tell too many people about your [reused] address then it is much easier to make sense, on a whole, of correlated transaction, especially if more people reuse
mircea_popescu: privacy. the security i understand
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm teasing, hence the "kidding" added after
GAit: i think reusing addresses is bad for privacy and exposes you to potential security risk in the implementation
mircea_popescu: aha, well you heard the lady folks : pls to vote ms boring for the blockchain award.
bitcoingirl: this would be helpful for my career. was one of the first reporters in this industry
ozbot: The First Annual Blockchain Awards | Blockchain Blog
bitcoingirl: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/16/the-first-annual-blockchain-awards/ can you help me get votes for the "most insightful journalist"
jurov: how ambiguous? when i withdraw from mpex, it spends Tx1, Tx2..Txn from one mpex address.. how it is different from spending them from different adresses?
pankkake: bitcoinpete: seems to me the real issue is merging inputs, regardless of the addresses. changing addresses will only confuse amateur investigators
pankkake: though I've tried to not associate some addresses with others, I'm sure some more advanced statistical anylisis would reveal them
mircea_popescu: and it makes it possible for the entire "taint" nonsense to even tenuously exist.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this cargo cult nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "Not reusing addresses may prevent you to be exposed from undiscovered holes in ECDSA theory"
fluffypony: l.o.l. the sequel.
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bitcoinpete: to everyone except the nba
bitcoinpete: "It appears that the most natural of all ways to classify humans genetically is by the racial and ethnic groups that humans have identified from time out of mind."
SuchWow-brb: heheh it's been an intense couple of hours with the nascar race
chetty: is the cardano coming equiped with special toys?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: no there won't be one, or no it won't be interesting?
kakobrekla: the former
Duffer1: none that i'm aware of, she's probably skimmed the titles
jurov: at least there's interesting trilema post upcoming
jurov: heh what a suspension...i'd even bet whether mp changes bitcoingirl's stance toward bitcoin foundation
mircea_popescu: aite, let's go private then
mircea_popescu: obviously your own political stands are your own, but the thing that isn't going to lead anywhere is trying to support the walking dead.
mircea_popescu: i'll crush these schmucks too, not a question of whether, a question of when i feel like pushing hard enough.
mircea_popescu: you know the average lifetime of bitcoin things i've opposed historically is somewhere south of one year ?
bitcoingirl: the foundation may have their own issues / challenges, but opposing them is not something I'm interested in getting involved it. not going to lead to anywhere
bitcoingirl: this is business and the foundation is here to stay
bitcoingirl: not in the US
mircea_popescu: you will find pretty much all of bitcoin is anti the alleged foundation.
mircea_popescu: what's the problem with it ?
mircea_popescu: well he also doesn't have a forbes blog, nor was he invited to the whcd.
bitcoingirl: ok got it. are you saying john is already going to be at Amsterdam so you don't need another ambassador there?
mircea_popescu: no, when i say channel i mean exactly that. this space, where we talk, it's the channel. it's name is #bitcoin-assets
bitcoingirl: when you say channel - are you talking about the stats?
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl he used to run asicminer PTs and was on their board.
mircea_popescu: there's a list of them to the right (oir left). there's also the channel logs, which plenty of people read.
Duffer1: everyone you see on the left
mircea_popescu: ok, one at a time. irc is the network we're in. it's like a sort of skype, only works a lot better.
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl it's the irc nick of john carvalo, a bitcoin guy.
bitcoingirl: i don't know what thickastheives is
diametric: i'm still researching, but i just learned they're based about 15 minutes from my house.
mircea_popescu: diametric they're not awful.
mircea_popescu: cool idea. maybe ThickAsThieves shows up there too.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them.
ozbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
mircea_popescu: you type in the lower box and hit enter aha!
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl hey there.
jurov: (and benkay is the last one so far)
jurov: also, just to throw in another unrelated topic.. benkay, you're the third nigga i had to scream "but i dun have test mpex what do i doooooooo!!!!"
jurov: Apocalyptic: and then mr.president was on retconned vacation in croatia? oh yes
fluffypony: they'll just lick you to death
fluffypony: moiety: not the derpy ones
moiety: they will rip your face off without a second thought Apocalyptic :D
mircea_popescu: they did that shit here too, may 1-4
jurov: with horrible internet, ofc all hell broke loose on the server
benkay: probably don't want to cross the hormonal streams
benkay: "Findings from both research groups grew out of experiments in which the blood circulation systems of old and young mice were surgically connected, in a manner akin to Siamese twins. In such experiments, older mice essentially got younger while younger mice got older."
mircea_popescu: "please not to refer to all the unemployable women here hoping for a good marriage by a term implying we're thai ladyboys"
mircea_popescu: if only that rust chick whatever her name was were there to stand up and derp.
mircea_popescu: You guys sound like you are on a roller coaster right now, McHale said to the crowd as they groaned to another one of his flopped jokes."
benkay: asciilifeform: would you grace me with a link to that piece explaining why women look at the sciences and run screaming in the opposite direction?
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/454333198307061760/HrKaTPLj.jpeg << dude all the work they put into making that prude vaguely appear sexy
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mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure (5/10) that i know enough of the guy to have an opinion, and that opinion is he should be trustworthy.
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i meant the guy has been operating a mpex broker for about two years now, it never ran into any difficulty, and met him twice in person
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I think part of the WoT is extrapolation of information upon which a conclusion can be drawn, and sometimes that information needs to be expanded by talking to the rater
chetty: no way around the basics, due diligence and trust
kakobrekla: yeah but you can go to buttfucker and post a passthrough as evedence present a malfucked pgp signature which none of the 'investors' know how to check anyway and thats that
benkay: pt ops should be considered bad actors if they refuse to provide those, then. no amount of 'gotta preserve the secrecy of my keys with mpex' allowed.
benkay: kinda the point of mpex - put down 30B, get access no questions asked.
benkay: you gotta know the keyid he's using, non?
benkay: but mircea_popescu wouldja revoke the keys?
mircea_popescu: in general you'd expect the rotten pt operator to withdraw everything from mpex before he actually runs.
benkay: identity operating the mpex keys will be toast for sure.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha only now i get the joke. lmao.
mircea_popescu: that was after the revolution, early 90s
mircea_popescu: benkay a, was a more complex discussion, see the whole log.
benkay: mircea_popescu: your comment was along the lines of 'romania gave a bunch of money to basically anyone who showed up claiming to be a businessman and a bunch of guys blew it in advertising'
fluffypony: "Apple does keep an older version of OpenSSL around that isn't vulnerable to the exploit. Safely chained to a wall. In the dungeon. It prods it with sticks now and again to make sure it's still breathing."
fluffypony: there was a quote about it
Framedragger: their twitter images are also symmetrical
fluffypony: [20:16:16] mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?! <- they implement Open Group's CDSA/CSSM, they hate OpenSSL because it doesn't maintain a stable API between versions
benkay: hey mircea_popescu on an entirely different topic what was this situation where romania just gave oodles of cash away to 'businessmen' once upon a time? sounds like quite the story.
Framedragger: at least they have a sense of humour (maybe)
benkay: bitcoincharts.org nonsense as well then?
benkay: well is somewhere in between the bloomberg quote and ;;ticker, no?
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mircea_popescu: http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84718913347/client-i-uploaded-the-twitter-background-you-sent
benkay: pathetic logs this morning
benkay: <Framedragger> i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet << pompastic you say? quite the portmanteau.
mircea_popescu: "Whats kokobakukan?! kokobakukanis the space that there are interesting things for you."
kakobrekla: what, the thing is amazing.
benkay: rolling openssl into the project
mircea_popescu: bounce the chinese knew.
benkay: (they're dangerously savvy and like to help make decisions).
bounce: the rest is your problem. :-p
benkay: guess what the client's considering
benkay: apple's api's are more than happy to give you the raw bytes of the private key, but it seems they then forgot to build out the calls to import that key back into their play-pi.
bounce: so... the chinese knew (or suspected) about the crimea thing beforehand? and that nevada thing, does that mean the poor farmer gets his cattle back now?
benkay: client wants to do a thing with asymmetric crypto on the major mobile platforms, my guys are handling the ios side. apple provides a handy dandy set of apis for generating keys (your second 4096 bit key on a bleeding edge iphone will take over a minute to gather 'adequate' 'entropy', btw).
benkay: stories from the loltron
bitcoinpete: http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-fxbtc-to-close-citing-central-bank-pressure/ <<another one bites the dust
bitcoinpete: "FXBTC said that long-term financial losses stemming from what it termed a “blockade” by the PBOC resulted in the management team deciding to end the service."
pankkake: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pompatic a.1.Pompous
mircea_popescu: the mapping failed you!
Framedragger: i choose the "to shake a pompom vigorously" interpretation
pankkake: the correct form is… pompatic?!
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Framedragger: i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet
ozbot: THE DICTATOR - HIV Aladeen - YouTube
bitcoinpete: or participating in the events."
bitcoinpete: "Sacha Baron Cohen attended The 84th Annual Academy Awards (2012) in character and full costume as Aladeen, accompanied by his "virgin guards". While giving an interview on the red carpet to an unsuspecting Ryan Seacrest he brandished an urn he claimed to contain the remains of deceased North Korean dictator Jong-il Kim. Cohen then spilled the ashes all over Seacrest's tuxedo. As a result, Cohen was banned from entering the auditori
bitcoinpete: my body double's latest movie: the dictator
BingoBoingo: whelp, just got back from the hospital
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "The P/E implied value per share is thus 0 BTC." unzips, depacks and deflates as "the value of each share calculated on the basis of the P/E of this company so far would be 0"
artifexd: Need more proof that mircea_popescu is the Chuck Norris of finance? Apparently he can divide by zero. Ref: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/
mircea_popescu: it's the web you know ?
mircea_popescu: i just eat them
mircea_popescu: there, you got lamp, you prolly got awstats
ThickAsThieves: i could probably add a hundred or so if i plugged it to the forum
mircea_popescu: what, if bin laden becomes a tritium level member they're going to support bombing tall ny buildings ?
ThickAsThieves: surely they are plutonium level members
mircea_popescu: since when is the alleged foundation supporting ripple anyway
ThickAsThieves: look at this bullshit https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/462960434652667905